On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:10:37 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:39:06 PM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> > >
> > >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> > Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> > and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> > lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> > COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> > drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> > conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> > He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> > died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> > for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> > result.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> > PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> Nonsense, Jeff. It's an approved way of determining how many excess deaths there were. Actuarial statistics, a branch of demographics dealing with life expectancy, works by exclusions to define a subset either positively or negatively (or in these days of inclusion and vicarious -- more often simply vacuous -- guilt at excluding fuckwits like the ones you're running with) inclusively or exclusively. There are scores of medical thinkers doing it and you catch glimpses of them because it takes balls of steel to speak out when junior-school dimbos like your friends, and Scharfie, in a class of vicious spite by himself, want to lock up people for speaking the truth because the Chinese Pandemic is such a handy tool for the Donkey Party to engineer the theft of elections and to draw a veil of smoke over the Biden Administration's failures. -- AJ?
> >

This group is inhabited by people that are simply so far to the left that they can't even see their own errors. They don't even know that Biden signaled Russia to go right ahead and invade because he had no intentions of doing anything. We'll see how well that goes. In the meantime. Biden is running military actions in Syria and the Slime Stream Media isn't reporting it do to these people it doesn't exist.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:21:10 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:57:51 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 2/21/2022 4:49 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> >>>> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> >>>> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> >>>> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> >>>> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> >>>> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> >>>> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> >>>> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> >>>> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> >>>> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> >>>> result.
> >>>
> >>> Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
> >>>
> >>> Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
> >>
> >> But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
> >> who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
> >> written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
> >> changer, one might say.
> >>
> >
> >Having spent a great deal of quality time with a selection
> >of RNs over the years, I find that inappropriate.
> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.

Imagine you talking about my house being in a slum when I have been offered $880,000 for it while you are living in Thailand which is one huge slum outside of the business district.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:25:07 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 16:15:03 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:58:09 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/21/2022 6:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >
> >> > He has a Phd. in health science.
> >> > What can you do with a masters in health science?
> >> >
> >> > Pediatrics
> >> > Physical Therapy
> >> > Neurology
> >> > Oncology
> >> Wait! Is Tom Kunich now saying that education makes a person
> >> knowledgeable, and qualified to speak on matters he's studied?
> >>
> >> Glory be!
> >>
> >> Now will Tom convince those without diplomas and degrees to quiet down
> >> and listen to huge numbers of highly educated and trained specialists?
> >
> >He has a PhD Frank, and he has actually studied his subject. What do you have? If you were a real engineer you would have obtained a job as a real engineer. So tell me all about how some worthless amateur like yourself pretends to be educated?
> Your argument is silly. I worked with a bloke, several of them, that
> had PhD's and none of them claimed to be sufficiently well educated to
> diagnose or treat sick people.

What education have you had John? If must have been very great considering you parked aircraft with a tow truck and made sure that the real technicians filled out the paperwork. Impress me some more

On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> What education have you had John?

:-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
school diploma!

But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
that, right?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > What education have you had John?
> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
> school diploma!
>
> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
> that, right?

Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate? And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county? Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward? Is that because that is the only way you can infer that I didn't attain heights in my career that you couldn't even dream of? That you're so penniless that you have to make claims on other people's money as all communists do?

Well, if you have money problems now just wait for Biden to really destroy you with his uncontrolled inflation. How long before you're living out of your car and eating dog food?

On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> What education have you had John?
>> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
>> school diploma!
>>
>> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
>> that, right?
>
> Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate?

Tom, people don't "discover" that they graduated high school. That's not
how that works. And a high school diploma disqualifies you from getting
a GED, which you've claimed you have.

> And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?

I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!

> Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward?

Hmm. I think this may be new information, although I don't take notes on
your copious flights of fancy. What I recall about you and "college" is
your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did. But hey,
feel free to give us documentation! (Is that two year degree on your
resume? I don't remember.)

> Is that because that is the only way you can infer that I didn't attain heights in my career that you couldn't even dream of?

I never dreamed of having a long, long string of temporary jobs with
most lasting less than two years, so you've got me there! The places I
worked seemed to want to keep me. Even the big firm I used for a "back
to industry" sabbatical tried to talk me in returning to them for
engineering consulting work in the summers.

> That you're so penniless that you have to make claims on other people's money as all communists do?

Dude, I'm far, far from penniless. I could buy every bike in your
ever-churning stable on a moment's notice. I could buy your house, too,
but I wouldn't want to live in that hellhole.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:

<snip>

> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.

Depends on the type of nurse.

In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
prescriptions.

In the U.S., it used to be that to become an RN you needed only a two
year Associate Degree. Now a four year Bachelor's degree is the minimum.

On 2/22/2022 12:43 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:20:02 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Biden is running military actions in Syria and the Slime Stream Media isn't reporting it do to these people it doesn't exist.
>
> Why use US news sources? It's not like the US has a monopoly on
> international news. If you want news about Syria, try using a source
> in the middle-east:
>
> Quatar:
> <https://www.aljazeera.com/where/syria/>
>
> Saudi Arabia:
> <https://www.arabnews.com/search/site/Syria>
>
> Israel:
> <https://www.haaretz.com/search-results?q=syria>
>
> Syria:
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_media_in_Syria#Online>
>
> Plenty more:
> <https://www.world-newspapers.com/countries/middle-east/syria>
>
>
>
+1

Also RFI (France) and RAI (Italy) plus a host of excellent
British papers.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/22/2022 10:56 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
> More:
> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>

Print your diploma out and take it with you the next time you go to the
doctor: <https://i.imgur.com/YFs6RHz.png>.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:13:11 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What education have you had John?
> >> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
> >> school diploma!
> >>
> >> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
> >> that, right?
> >
> > Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate?
> Tom, people don't "discover" that they graduated high school. That's not
> how that works. And a high school diploma disqualifies you from getting
> a GED, which you've claimed you have.
> > And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?
> I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
> find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
> documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!
> > Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward?
> Hmm. I think this may be new information, although I don't take notes on
> your copious flights of fancy. What I recall about you and "college" is
> your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
> socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did. But hey,
> feel free to give us documentation! (Is that two year degree on your
> resume? I don't remember.)
> > Is that because that is the only way you can infer that I didn't attain heights in my career that you couldn't even dream of?
> I never dreamed of having a long, long string of temporary jobs with
> most lasting less than two years, so you've got me there! The places I
> worked seemed to want to keep me. Even the big firm I used for a "back
> to industry" sabbatical tried to talk me in returning to them for
> engineering consulting work in the summers.
> > That you're so penniless that you have to make claims on other people's money as all communists do?
> Dude, I'm far, far from penniless. I could buy every bike in your
> ever-churning stable on a moment's notice. I could buy your house, too,
> but I wouldn't want to live in that hellhole.

When I discovered that diploma I published all of the information about it. If Jeff couldn't find it he was a liar plain and simple.

On 2/22/2022 12:56 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:11:43 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
>>> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
>
>> Depends on the type of nurse.
>>
>> In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
>> Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
>> probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
>> NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
>> proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
>> prescriptions.
>
> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
> More:
> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
>
> Treatment is a different story. The medical establishment has a very
> effective monopoly on drugs and procedures, which is probably a good
> thing from the safety standpoint. There are databases of commonly
> prescribed drugs and treatments, but those are not easily
> understandable or accessible to the GUM (great unwashed masses). The
> Star Trek Tricorder is a probably a decade in the future. An open
> source medication replicator, maybe 20 years.
>
>

I'm as critical as anyone of our recently diminished Medical
Billing Industry (formerly medical services). That said,
diagnosis is a refined art requiring both great skill and
deep knowledge, ideally after thousands of iterations. MDs
who are good are very good (although that group is
retiring/quitting at dramatic rates). The news is filled
with idiots who (wrongly) self-diagnose from web pages.
Something to keep in mind- seek an informed opinion besides
your own.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 10:56 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
>> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
>> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
>> More:
>> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
>
> Print your diploma out and take it with you the next time you go to the
> doctor: <https://i.imgur.com/YFs6RHz.png>.
>

That’s great. Where did you get it from?

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 12:03:59 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:13:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?
> >
> >I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
> >find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
> >documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!
> I need to find the original thread, but as I recall, I couldn't find
> any school that offered a degree in navigation:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=degree+in+navigation>
> There are bachelors degrees in Navigation Technology, Maritime
> Sciences, Nautical Sciences, etc but those are mostly 4 year college
> degrees. I'm not sure, but I think the 2 year degrees are all
> "certificates" and not "degrees". Degrees usually require a
> substantial number of general education courses. There are schools
> that offer navigation certifications, but those are not colleges.
>
> Reminder: Tom claimed to have a lifetime membership in the Aeolian
> Yacht Club. Too bad they don't offer lifetime memberships. I suspect
> this might be where "education in navigation" (previously a "degree in
> navigation") originated.
> >> Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward?
> >
> >Hmm. I think this may be new information,
> Yep. That's new. Google groups search shows no mention of Tom
> posting anything about Chabot College prior to today 02/22/2022:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=Chabot%20author%3ATom%20author%3AKunich>
> No mention of Chabot College on his LinkedIn resume. Ah, I foundit:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_Y1MbXuzvNo/m/o6omSxsfAgAJ>
> Education
> general education - Degree in navigation
> Tality requested I get a BA so that they could promote me to
> department manager
> Chabot College - Hayward, CA
>
> Tom. Which "area of study" did you take? See bottom of web page for
> the list:
> <http://www.chabotcollege.edu>
> >although I don't take notes on
> >your copious flights of fancy.
> I take some notes. I was thinking of producing a web page itemizing
> Tom's lies, amazing facts, and unanswered questions. I haven't done
> this because I suspect Tom might enjoy the attention and I'm currently
> a bit busy.
> >What I recall about you and "college" is
> >your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
> >socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did.
> Something like that. I don't recall exactly what Tom claimed and am
> too busy/lazy to search for the exact claim.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Plainly your Alzheimer's is advancing rapidly. I said that after I got all of the preliminaries out of the way I audited a physics class at UC Berkeley and that after almost the entire hour of the class the instructor hadn't uttered one single word of physics but had recited socialist propaganda. So I told him off and walked out.

You and Frank simply exaggerate or simply falsify my statements in the hope that I will let you get away with it. Frank's claim that you were unable to find that school of navigation in Marin is an example of that. At the time I published all of the data about it. So if you couldn't find it you're simply a liar. Since I had a degree I assume that the only place that could have issued that was https://www.edumaritime.net/california/california-maritime-academy-vallejo

The only thing I can remember about it is that I was the only one that could use the Captain's Sextant to measure distance off-shore and take a noon latitude. The last voyage, the boat had a GPS so that I could verify my measurements. Since I was the navigator I was also a watch captain and took the night watch. Watches were 4 hours on and 4 hours off.

On 2/22/2022 12:41 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/22/2022 10:56 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Diagnosis is not a problem. We now have online web sites and AI
>>> algorithms that can diagnose many common ailments. For example:
>>> <https://symptoms.webmd.com>
>>> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/symptom-checker/select-symptom/itt-20009075>
>>> More:
>>> <https://openmd.com/directory/symptoms>
>>
>> Print your diploma out and take it with you the next time you go to the
>> doctor: <https://i.imgur.com/YFs6RHz.png>.
>>
>
> That’s great. Where did you get it from?

<https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/308032443/Internet-Doctor-of-Medicine>

My nephew and his wife are both physicians. It drives my niece crazy
when someone thinks that their Google Search trumps her medical degree.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:13:15 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:04:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >When I discovered that diploma I published all of the information about it. If Jeff couldn't find it he was a liar plain and simple.
> If you claim to have a diploma, you are responsible for providing the
> necissary "information", not me. I can't seem to find anything
> related to you having a diploma using Google Groups search. I went
> through the articles you posted with the word "diploma" and found
> nothing relevent:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/search?q=diploma%20author%3Atom%20author%3Akunich>
> If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist.
>
> Of course, absense of proof is not proof of absense, so it's possible
> I missed something important. However, your inability to recall,
> find, or produce the diploma "information" is very suspicious and
> suggests that you might not have "published" anything. Finding your
> own postings using Google Groups search is admittedly difficult, but
> not impossible. Try it. You might find something and prove me wrong.
>
> Incidentally, even if I was a liar, there's nothing to stop you from
> also being a liar.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Who are you kidding Jeff? You never went through all those postings in a million years. At the time I discovered that Diploma I gave all of the information about it. I have no further responsibility to tell you anything. You don't like that? Tough shit.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:44:26 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:42:11 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tell me about the courses you took at Chabot College.
> >I said that after I got all of the preliminaries out of the way I audited a physics class at UC Berkeley
> Amazing. In order to audit a class at any university, you must first
> be admitted to the university as a student. That means you have to
> produced a high skool graduation diploma or degree. Auditing classes
> are the same as being a regular student, except that you do not
> receive a grade or credit for the class, and your transcript would
> show an "AU" or something similar to prove that you had taken the
> class.
> >and that after almost the entire hour of the class the instructor
> >hadn't uttered one single word of physics but had recited socialist
> >propaganda. So I told him off and walked out.
> Nobody else walked out? Just you? Did you try again with another
> physics instructor? Did you complain to the administration? Did you
> ask for a tuition refund?
> >You and Frank simply exaggerate or simply falsify my statements
> >in the hope that I will let you get away with it.
> Get away with what? Just how am I suppose to falsify your statements
> when everything I use are your statements as saved by Google Groups?
> Are you suggesting that Frank and I are impersonating you?
> >Frank's claim that you were unable to find that school of navigation
> >in Marin is an example of that. At the time I published all of the
> >data about it. So if you couldn't find it you're simply a liar.
> You just don't seem to understand how logic works. If you can't prove
> your own claim, then don't expect someone else to do it for you.
> >Since I had a degree I assume that the only place that could have
> >issued that was
> >https://www.edumaritime.net/california/california-maritime-academy-vallejo
> Interesting that you wrote "had a degree" in past tense. Did you
> loose your degree somehow? Can't get a replacement?
>
> Looking through the list undergraduate majors, I don't see anything
> mentioned about offering only a degree in navigation. Which major did
> you take and what does it say on your degree?
> >The only thing I can remember about it is that I was the only one
> >that could use the Captain's Sextant to measure distance off-shore
> >and take a noon latitude.
> More amazing facts that demonstrate you've never used a sextant. You
> cannot measure distance with a sextant. All it does is measure the
> elevation angle above the horizon. You can obtain the latitude with a
> noon sight. How does one measure distance with a sextant?
> >The last voyage, the boat had a GPS so that I could verify my
> >measurements.
> You don't really need a GPS to verify your measurements. A nautical
> chart will do as well.
> >Since I was the navigator I was also a watch captain and took the
> >night watch. Watches were 4 hours on and 4 hours off.
> I've never heard of a night watch or a watch captain. The traditional
> watch names are:
> - First Watch (2000hrs through to midnight)
> - Middle Watch (000hrs to 0400hrs)
> - Morning Watch (0400hrs to 0800hrs)
> - Forenoon Watch (0800hrs to 1200hrs)
> - Afternoon Watch (1200hrs to 1600hrs)
> - First Dog Watch (1600hrs to 1800hrs)
> - Last Dog Watch 1800hrs to 2000hrs)
> The names do vary depending on service and type of vessel. You got
> the 4 hr sea watches correct.
>
> [ 45 minutes wasted ]
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Why didn't you tell us what experience you've had at sea? You might want to list the number of years you were a seaman so that everyone can understand what sort of knowledge you have. We'll be waiting for that.

On 2/22/2022 3:04 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:13:11 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What education have you had John?
>>>> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
>>>> school diploma!
>>>>
>>>> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
>>>> that, right?
>>>
>>> Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate?
>> Tom, people don't "discover" that they graduated high school. That's not
>> how that works. And a high school diploma disqualifies you from getting
>> a GED, which you've claimed you have.
>>> And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?
>> I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
>> find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
>> documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!
>>> Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward?
>> Hmm. I think this may be new information, although I don't take notes on
>> your copious flights of fancy. What I recall about you and "college" is
>> your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
>> socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did. But hey,
>> feel free to give us documentation! (Is that two year degree on your
>> resume? I don't remember.)
>>> Is that because that is the only way you can infer that I didn't attain heights in my career that you couldn't even dream of?
>> I never dreamed of having a long, long string of temporary jobs with
>> most lasting less than two years, so you've got me there! The places I
>> worked seemed to want to keep me. Even the big firm I used for a "back
>> to industry" sabbatical tried to talk me in returning to them for
>> engineering consulting work in the summers.
>>> That you're so penniless that you have to make claims on other people's money as all communists do?
>> Dude, I'm far, far from penniless. I could buy every bike in your
>> ever-churning stable on a moment's notice. I could buy your house, too,
>> but I wouldn't want to live in that hellhole.
>
> When I discovered that diploma I published all of the information about it. If Jeff couldn't find it he was a liar plain and simple.

Tom, you're making even less sense than usual. If you have a diploma,
produce the evidence now. There are ways of doing that.

Pretending you "remember" having a diploma is not one of those ways,
especially given your "memory."

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- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:22:41 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:21:10 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:57:51 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/21/2022 4:49 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> >>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>> >>>> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>> >>>> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>> >>>> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>> >>>> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>> >>>> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>> >>>> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>> >>>> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>> >>>> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>> >>>> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>> >>>> result.
>> >>>
>> >>> Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>> >>>
>> >>> Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
>> >>
>> >> But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
>> >> who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
>> >> written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
>> >> changer, one might say.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Having spent a great deal of quality time with a selection
>> >of RNs over the years, I find that inappropriate.
>> Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
>> not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
>
>Imagine you talking about my house being in a slum when I have
been offered $880,000 for it while you are living in Thailand which is
one huge slum outside of the business district.

Really? And how do you know that? You have visited Thailand? You can
speak Thai?
But I assume you mean places like:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Fqobzbq4jC_CjpC9unQ9bwHaE8%26pid%3DApi&f=
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.aDPs8FkImUtExSZYkQFMFgHaDk%26pid%3DApi&f=1
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.5TeDlPCgwgbhTUwqF0HJugHaD4%26pid%3DApi&f=1
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.4cZJsUrCi9iRKmRWVls8DwHaE7%26pid%3DApi&f=1

You really are a stupid little fellow, aren't you.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:24:37 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 1:25:07 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 16:15:03 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:58:09 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 2/21/2022 6:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > He has a Phd. in health science.
>> >> > What can you do with a masters in health science?
>> >> >
>> >> > Pediatrics
>> >> > Physical Therapy
>> >> > Neurology
>> >> > Oncology
>> >> Wait! Is Tom Kunich now saying that education makes a person
>> >> knowledgeable, and qualified to speak on matters he's studied?
>> >>
>> >> Glory be!
>> >>
>> >> Now will Tom convince those without diplomas and degrees to quiet down
>> >> and listen to huge numbers of highly educated and trained specialists?
>> >
>> >He has a PhD Frank, and he has actually studied his subject. What do you have? If you were a real engineer you would have obtained a job as a real engineer. So tell me all about how some worthless amateur like yourself pretends to be educated?
>> Your argument is silly. I worked with a bloke, several of them, that
>> had PhD's and none of them claimed to be sufficiently well educated to
>> diagnose or treat sick people.
>
>What education have you had John? If must have been very great considering you parked aircraft with a tow truck and made sure that the real technicians filled out the paperwork. Impress me some more

What education? Well, I have a high school diploma so 1 for me and 0
for you. Then I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering (aeronautical)
so 2 for me and 0 for you. And finally I completed an apprenticeship
in Machine Shop Practice (as my certificate says) so 3 for me and
strike out for you.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 11:13:11 AM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What education have you had John?
> >> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
> >> school diploma!
> >>
> >> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
> >> that, right?
> >
> > Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate?
> Tom, people don't "discover" that they graduated high school. That's not
> how that works. And a high school diploma disqualifies you from getting
> a GED, which you've claimed you have.
> > And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?
> I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
> find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
> documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!

I can believe that. After all Tommy has bragged numerous times about being a member of the Yacht Club. I am not a member of a Yacht Club. So I suspect the Yacht Club offered an afternoon class, seminar, on navigation one Saturday afternoon. And Tommy showed up to mock the instructor about all he did not know and Tommy did know. So Tommy now claims to have an education in navigation. Makes perfect sense to me. After all, I did take a class at Northwestern in Evanston one summer long ago. On how to sail a 420 class two man sail boat. We sailed on Lake Michigan. But I do not belong to a Yacht Club or claim I know how to sail. Other than what I learned that summer.

> > Or that I have a two year degree from Chabot College in Hayward?
> Hmm. I think this may be new information, although I don't take notes on
> your copious flights of fancy. What I recall about you and "college" is
> your tale of attending part of a term and walking out because the
> socialist instructors obviously didn't know as much as you did. But hey,
> feel free to give us documentation! (Is that two year degree on your
> resume? I don't remember.)
> > Is that because that is the only way you can infer that I didn't attain heights in my career that you couldn't even dream of?
> I never dreamed of having a long, long string of temporary jobs with
> most lasting less than two years, so you've got me there! The places I
> worked seemed to want to keep me. Even the big firm I used for a "back
> to industry" sabbatical tried to talk me in returning to them for
> engineering consulting work in the summers.
> > That you're so penniless that you have to make claims on other people's money as all communists do?
> Dude, I'm far, far from penniless. I could buy every bike in your
> ever-churning stable on a moment's notice. I could buy your house, too,
> but I wouldn't want to live in that hellhole.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 11:45:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> What education have you had John?
>
>:-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
>school diploma!
>
>But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
>that, right?

But did he, really?

For some years Tommy bragged about his failure to graduate from high
school and then you, Frank, mentioned the GED and suddenly Tommy
claimed that "Oh Yes! I had one of them too!
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 12:11:48 PM UTC-6, sms wrote:
> On 2/22/2022 1:21 AM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
> > not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
> Depends on the type of nurse.
>
> In the U.S., an LVN or LPN (Licensed Vocational Nurse/Licensed Practical
> Nurse) is probably not qualified to diagnose. An experienced RN is
> probably qualified, but legally can't diagnose or proscribe treatment. A
> NP (Nurse practitioner) is both qualified and allowed to diagnose and
> proscribe treatment, and depending on the state, is allowed to write
> prescriptions.
>
> In the U.S., it used to be that to become an RN you needed only a two
> year Associate Degree. Now a four year Bachelor's degree is the minimum.

??????? Back in the 1950s when my Mom became an RN, she took a 4 year degree. And in the 1970s my Uncle took a 4 year degree to become an RN. My niece a couple years ago became an RN with a 4 year degree. So I don't know about this claim you could become an RN with only a 2 year degree. Not since the 1950s anyway.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:56:04 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >
>> > What education have you had John?
>> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
>> school diploma!
>>
>> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
>> that, right?
>
>Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate?

Well, yes, we did hear you say that you "graduated" but then you lied
on your resume... the very first entry.... so, one might assume,
you've probably lied all your life.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:03:46 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 12:13:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/22/2022 11:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> And that I have an additional education in navigation from a high ranked college in Marin county?
>>
>>I do remember you bragging about that. As I recall, Jeff was unable to
>>find the existence of such a thing. But feel free to give us
>>documentation, for a change from storytelling and bragging!
>
>I need to find the original thread, but as I recall, I couldn't find
>any school that offered a degree in navigation:
><https://www.google.com/search?q=degree+in+navigation>
>There are bachelors degrees in Navigation Technology, Maritime
>Sciences, Nautical Sciences, etc but those are mostly 4 year college
>degrees. I'm not sure, but I think the 2 year degrees are all
>"certificates" and not "degrees". Degrees usually require a
>substantial number of general education courses. There are schools
>that offer navigation certifications, but those are not colleges.
>

I may be out dated but back when I lived on a boat a professional had
a license from the Coast Guard (I think it was) and that was all that
was required. I'm going from memory here but I'm reasonably sure that
there was no "Navigator" certificate issued. Why should there be? As
the normal Captain's license includes testing the ability to navigate.

I just did a quick search and found no USCG license for "Navigator".

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 6:28:00 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:56:04 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 8:45:53 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/22/2022 11:24 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >
> >> > What education have you had John?
> >> :-) Another day of unintentional irony from the guy without even a high
> >> school diploma!
> >>
> >> But congratulations on the GED certificate, Tom. At least you've got
> >> that, right?
> >
> >Why does it slip your mind that I discovered that I did graduate?
> Well, yes, we did hear you say that you "graduated" but then you lied
> on your resume... the very first entry.... so, one might assume,
> you've probably lied all your life.

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Fall on the floor in shock and surprise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.