On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 5:32:46 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:31:49 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
> >>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
> >>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
> >>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
> >>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
> >>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
> >>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
> >>>>
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
> >>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
> >>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
> >>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
> >>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
> >>> M1 in .308.
> >>> --
> >>> Andrew Muzi
> >>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>
> >> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
> >> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> >> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >>
> >
> >WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
> >1950s. Both are very available:
> >https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
> Interesting that they bother to re-barrel the old things.
>
> My impression, and I was on the "big-bore rifle team for a short time
> was that there was a better solution.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Nostalgia. Looks, vanity. Reliving youth, the past. America was Great then!!!!!! Something like that.

Many of the 1960s Corvettes sold for $100,000. About the same price as a brand new 2020 Corvette. World of difference in performance.
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/Chevrolet-Corvette-d1

On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
>>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
>>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
>>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
>>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
>>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
>>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
>>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
>>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
>>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
>>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
>>>> M1 in .308.
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
>>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
>>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>>>
>> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
>> 1950s. Both are very available:
>> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
>
> My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
>
> Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
>
> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
>

The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
outlet for US Government surplus arms.
https://thecmp.org/about/

Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
now.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 31 May 2022 15:59:58 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 5:32:46 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 07:31:49 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
>> >>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
>> >>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
>> >>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
>> >>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
>> >>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
>> >>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
>> >>>>
>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
>> >>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
>> >>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
>> >>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
>> >>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
>> >>> M1 in .308.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Andrew Muzi
>> >>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >>
>> >> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
>> >> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
>> >> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>> >>
>> >
>> >WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
>> >1950s. Both are very available:
>> >https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
>> Interesting that they bother to re-barrel the old things.
>>
>> My impression, and I was on the "big-bore rifle team for a short time
>> was that there was a better solution.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>Nostalgia. Looks, vanity. Reliving youth, the past. America was Great then!!!!!! Something like that.
>
Maybe (:-) Heavy, awkward, and the only rifle I ever fired that would
fight back, the famous "M1 Thumb", if you didn't load it "just
right".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:04:05 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
> >>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
> >>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
> >>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
> >>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
> >>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
> >>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
> >>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
> >>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
> >>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
> >>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
> >>>> M1 in .308.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Andrew Muzi
> >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>>
> >>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
> >>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> >>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >>>
> >> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
> >> 1950s. Both are very available:
> >> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
> >
> > My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
> >
> > Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
> >
> > https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
> >
> The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
> outlet for US Government surplus arms.
> https://thecmp.org/about/
>
> Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
> now.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

OK. Makes sense the government created a new department to handle selling old military rifles. Gotta keep unemployment low. And they do training and lots of other stuff too. Reasonable. But I find it a little odd that they offer so much custom gunsmithing service. Selling old Army guns. Makes lots of sense. But to rebarrel the rifle. Port it. New trigger? New stock? Glass beading. Etc. Why is the government offering that?

Sort of like the military selling its old junk Humvee vehicles. OK to sell them as junk or projects for the new buyer. After removing the guns and anything else very militaristic. But to sell the old Humvees and offer to rebuild the engine and rebuild the suspension and put a whole new good comfortable interior into the vehicle? Then I would ask are you really selling old military surplus or are you running a custom vehicle/gun shop? There is a difference.

On Tue, 31 May 2022 16:55:20 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:04:05 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
>> >>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
>> >>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
>> >>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
>> >>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
>> >>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
>> >>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
>> >>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
>> >>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
>> >>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
>> >>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
>> >>>> M1 in .308.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Andrew Muzi
>> >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >>>
>> >>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
>> >>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
>> >>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>> >>>
>> >> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
>> >> 1950s. Both are very available:
>> >> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
>> >> --
>> >> Andrew Muzi
>> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >
>> > No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
>> >
>> > My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
>> >
>> > Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
>> >
>> > https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
>> >
>> The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
>> outlet for US Government surplus arms.
>> https://thecmp.org/about/
>>
>> Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
>> now.
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
>OK. Makes sense the government created a new department to handle selling old military rifles. Gotta keep unemployment low. And they do training and lots of other stuff too. Reasonable. But I find it a little odd that they offer so much custom gunsmithing service. Selling old Army guns. Makes lots of sense. But to rebarrel the rifle. Port it. New trigger? New stock? Glass beading. Etc. Why is the government offering that?
>
>Sort of like the military selling its old junk Humvee vehicles. OK to sell them as junk or projects for the new buyer. After removing the guns and anything else very militaristic. But to sell the old Humvees and offer to rebuild the engine and rebuild the suspension and put a whole new good comfortable interior into the vehicle? Then I would ask are you really selling old military surplus or are you running a custom vehicle/gun shop? There is a difference.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:58:05 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2022 16:55:20 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 6:04:05 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
> >> >>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
> >> >>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
> >> >>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
> >> >>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
> >> >>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
> >> >>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
> >> >>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
> >> >>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
> >> >>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
> >> >>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
> >> >>>> M1 in .308.
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> Andrew Muzi
> >> >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >> >>>
> >> >>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
> >> >>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> >> >>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> >> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >> >>>
> >> >> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
> >> >> 1950s. Both are very available:
> >> >> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
> >> >> --
> >> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >> >
> >> > No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
> >> >
> >> > My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used.. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
> >> >
> >> > Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
> >> >
> >> > https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
> >> >
> >> The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
> >> outlet for US Government surplus arms.
> >> https://thecmp.org/about/
> >>
> >> Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
> >> now.
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> >OK. Makes sense the government created a new department to handle selling old military rifles. Gotta keep unemployment low. And they do training and lots of other stuff too. Reasonable. But I find it a little odd that they offer so much custom gunsmithing service. Selling old Army guns. Makes lots of sense. But to rebarrel the rifle. Port it. New trigger? New stock? Glass beading. Etc. Why is the government offering that?
> >
> >Sort of like the military selling its old junk Humvee vehicles. OK to sell them as junk or projects for the new buyer. After removing the guns and anything else very militaristic. But to sell the old Humvees and offer to rebuild the engine and rebuild the suspension and put a whole new good comfortable interior into the vehicle? Then I would ask are you really selling old military surplus or are you running a custom vehicle/gun shop? There is a difference.
> The CMP originated in 1903 when: The Office of the Director of
> Civilian Marksmanship (DCM) was created by the U.S. Congress as part
> of the 1903 War Department Appropriations Act. The original purpose
> was to provide civilians an opportunity to learn and practice
> marksmanship skills should they later be called on to serve in the
> U.S. military.
>
> They are now described as "a U.S. government-chartered program
> intended to promote firearm safety training and rifle practice for all
> qualified U.S. citizens with a specific emphasis on youth."
>
> And on their Web Site as "a federally chartered 501(c)(3) corporation"
>
> And:
> Section 501(c)(3) is the portion of the US Internal Revenue Code that
> allows for federal tax exemption of nonprofit organizations,
> specifically those that are considered public charities, private
> foundations or private operating foundations. It is regulated and
> administered by the US Department of Treasury through the Internal
> Revenue Service. There are other 501(c) organizations, indicated by
> categories 501(c)(1) – 501(c)(29). This discussion will focus on
> 501(c)(3).
> https://www.501c3.org/what-is-a-501c3/
> And now you know (:-)
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:36:07 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:23:02 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 5:37:51 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > >
> > > Hey, Seaton or Eaton or whatever your name is: Now that you're such a firearms expert and obsessive, will we soon see your name in the headlines as another ;school shooter, hoping to kill the grandchildren of the girl who wouldn't go to the school dance with you because you were such a grabby creep?
> > > >
> > > >On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:31:09 AM UTC+1, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
> > > > https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> > > > https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> > I don't think that is his sexual preference.
> >
> We should be real sensitive and make a woke rule that everybody must declare their personal pronoun. We'll draw lots. Short straw explains to the RBT jerks what a pronoun is. -- AJ

I'm trying to understand that makes Russell believe his own bullshit. .308 and 30-06 had EXACTLY identical power. The casing is shorter but the taper to the bullet is missing. And the .308 was designed for faster burning powder that developes more energy. But I suppose when you're intent on being stupid nothing can stop you.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
> >>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
> >>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
> >>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
> >>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
> >>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
> >>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
> >>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
> >>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
> >>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
> >>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
> >>>> M1 in .308.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Andrew Muzi
> >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>>
> >>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
> >>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> >>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >>>
> >> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
> >> 1950s. Both are very available:
> >> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
> >
> > My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
> >
> > Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
> >
> > https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
> >
> The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
> outlet for US Government surplus arms.
> https://thecmp.org/about/
>
> Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
> now.

There were no Garands made in .308 or the 7.62 or whatever the NATO round is called. The AR14 was I believe made in that cartridge and was called the AR21. The question is, what does it matter. This is all some dumb ass comments between Frank who craps his pant at the word "gun", John who pretends to be an expert (the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2) and Russell who is attempting to look macho by looking up crap he knows nothing about and giving us a John Google message.

The good thing about Biden talking about throwing out the 2nd Amendment is that the entirety of America appreciates the 2nd Amendment save for a few people and every time he talks about it his popularity rating goes even lower. His advisors are so bloated with power they don't even notice it.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:18:54 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:36:07 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:23:02 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 5:37:51 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > Hey, Seaton or Eaton or whatever your name is: Now that you're such a firearms expert and obsessive, will we soon see your name in the headlines as another ;school shooter, hoping to kill the grandchildren of the girl who wouldn't go to the school dance with you because you were such a grabby creep?
> > > > >
> > > > >On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:31:09 AM UTC+1, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
> > > > > https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> > > > > https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> > > I don't think that is his sexual preference.
> > >
> > We should be real sensitive and make a woke rule that everybody must declare their personal pronoun. We'll draw lots. Short straw explains to the RBT jerks what a pronoun is. -- AJ
> I'm trying to understand that makes Russell believe his own bullshit. .308 and 30-06 had EXACTLY identical power. The casing is shorter but the taper to the bullet is missing. And the .308 was designed for faster burning powder that developes more energy. But I suppose when you're intent on being stupid nothing can stop you.

No Tommy. You are wrong again. They are close in power. Yes. But the 30-06 is stronger and faster than the 308 Winchester. Not a lot. But stronger and faster. Click on the link below and compare the 308 Win at the bottom of the first page. And the 30-06 Spring at the top of the second page. If you compare the 150 and 180 grain bullets in each caliber you can clearly see the difference. 150 grain 308 has 2820 fps and 2650 ftlb at muzzle. 150 grain 30-06 has 2910 fps and 2820 ftlb at muzzle. 3% faster and 6% more power for the 30-06 over the 308. 180 grain 308 has 2620 fps and 2745 ftlb at muzzle. 180 grain 30-06 has 2700 fps and 2915 ftlb at muzzle. 3% faster and 6% more power for the 30-06 over the 308.

https://www.ableammo.com/catalog/ammo_charts/powershokcfrifle-chart.html

Tommy boy, do you get a thrill, excited, stimulated, being wrong 100% of the time?

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
> > >>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
> > >>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
> > >>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
> > >>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
> > >>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
> > >>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
> > >>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70..
> > >>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
> > >>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
> > >>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
> > >>>> M1 in .308.
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Andrew Muzi
> > >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > >>>
> > >>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
> > >>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> > >>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> > >>>
> > >> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
> > >> 1950s. Both are very available:
> > >> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
> > >> --
> > >> Andrew Muzi
> > >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > >
> > > No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds.. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
> > >
> > > My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for ..308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
> > >
> > > Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
> > >
> > > https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
> > >
> > The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
> > outlet for US Government surplus arms.
> > https://thecmp.org/about/
> >
> > Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
> > now.
> There were no Garands made in .308 or the 7.62 or whatever the NATO round is called. The AR14 was I believe made in that cartridge and was called the AR21. The question is, what does it matter. This is all some dumb ass comments between Frank who craps his pant at the word "gun", John who pretends to be an expert (the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2) and Russell who is attempting to look macho by looking up crap he knows nothing about and giving us a John Google message.
>

There were M1 Garands made in 308 Winchester (7.62x51mm) after the WW2. Andy provided a link to some surplus Italian rifles made in 1952. At the beginning of NATO. NATO adopted the slightly weaker 7.62x51mm cartridge. They wanted to make a NATO compliant gun. And the US Navy after WW2 also made some M1 Garands in 7.62x51mm. But all WW2 USA Army M1 Garands were 30-06.

What you are trying to think of is the AR-10. It was Armalite's first attempt at a NATO bid in 1956. It used the 7.62x51mm NATO round. It was not too successful. But a few years later Eugene Stoner used it as a model for the AR-15 submission to tests. And it became the M16 military rifle.

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> > >> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > >>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> > >>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
>> > >>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
>> > >>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
>> > >>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
>> > >>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
>> > >>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
>> > >>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
>> > >>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
>> > >>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
>> > >>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
>> > >>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
>> > >>>> M1 in .308.
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> Andrew Muzi
>> > >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> > >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> > >>>
>> > >>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
>> > >>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
>> > >>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
>> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>> > >>>
>> > >> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
>> > >> 1950s. Both are very available:
>> > >> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
>> > >> --
>> > >> Andrew Muzi
>> > >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> > >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> > >
>> > > No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
>> > >
>> > > My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
>> > >
>> > > Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
>> > >
>> > > https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
>> > >
>> > The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
>> > outlet for US Government surplus arms.
>> > https://thecmp.org/about/
>> >
>> > Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
>> > now.
>> There were no Garands made in .308 or the 7.62 or whatever the NATO round is called. The AR14 was I believe made in that cartridge and was called the AR21. The question is, what does it matter. This is all some dumb ass comments between Frank who craps his pant at the word "gun", John who pretends to be an expert (the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2) and Russell who is attempting to look macho by looking up crap he knows nothing about and giving us a John Google message.
>>
>
>There were M1 Garands made in 308 Winchester (7.62x51mm) after the WW2. Andy provided a link to some surplus Italian rifles made in 1952. At the beginning of NATO. NATO adopted the slightly weaker 7.62x51mm cartridge. They wanted to make a NATO compliant gun. And the US Navy after WW2 also made some M1 Garands in 7.62x51mm. But all WW2 USA Army M1 Garands were 30-06.
>
>What you are trying to think of is the AR-10. It was Armalite's first attempt at a NATO bid in 1956. It used the 7.62x51mm NATO round. It was not too successful. But a few years later Eugene Stoner used it as a model for the AR-15 submission to tests. And it became the M16 military rifle.
>
>Apparently Armalite did make a AR-14 in 308 Winchester. 7.62x51mm.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite
>See the Products section of this webpage.
>
>"(the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2)"??????
>This is kind of funny. Tommy, don't you know the M2 is the 50 caliber John Browning heavy machine gun? But you think the M2 is a .30 pistol? The only pistol cartridges in .30 I am aware of are the 32ACP and the 380ACP. Both semi auto pistol cartridges. Please provide a reference to your Air Force pistol.

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 3:04:19 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> > On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> > >> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > >>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> > >>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
> >> > >>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
> >> > >>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
> >> > >>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
> >> > >>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
> >> > >>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
> >> > >>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
> >> > >>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
> >> > >>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller..com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
> >> > >>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
> >> > >>>> M1 in .308.
> >> > >>>> --
> >> > >>>> Andrew Muzi
> >> > >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> > >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
> >> > >>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> >> > >>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> >> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >> > >>>
> >> > >> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
> >> > >> 1950s. Both are very available:
> >> > >> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Andrew Muzi
> >> > >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> > >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >> > >
> >> > > No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
> >> > >
> >> > > My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
> >> > >
> >> > > Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
> >> > >
> >> > > https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win..212352/
> >> > >
> >> > The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
> >> > outlet for US Government surplus arms.
> >> > https://thecmp.org/about/
> >> >
> >> > Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
> >> > now.
> >> There were no Garands made in .308 or the 7.62 or whatever the NATO round is called. The AR14 was I believe made in that cartridge and was called the AR21. The question is, what does it matter. This is all some dumb ass comments between Frank who craps his pant at the word "gun", John who pretends to be an expert (the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2) and Russell who is attempting to look macho by looking up crap he knows nothing about and giving us a John Google message.
> >>
> >
> >There were M1 Garands made in 308 Winchester (7.62x51mm) after the WW2. Andy provided a link to some surplus Italian rifles made in 1952. At the beginning of NATO. NATO adopted the slightly weaker 7.62x51mm cartridge. They wanted to make a NATO compliant gun. And the US Navy after WW2 also made some M1 Garands in 7.62x51mm. But all WW2 USA Army M1 Garands were 30-06.
> >
> >What you are trying to think of is the AR-10. It was Armalite's first attempt at a NATO bid in 1956. It used the 7.62x51mm NATO round. It was not too successful. But a few years later Eugene Stoner used it as a model for the AR-15 submission to tests. And it became the M16 military rifle.
> >
> >Apparently Armalite did make a AR-14 in 308 Winchester. 7.62x51mm.
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite
> >See the Products section of this webpage.
> >
> >"(the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2)"??????
> >This is kind of funny. Tommy, don't you know the M2 is the 50 caliber John Browning heavy machine gun? But you think the M2 is a .30 pistol? The only pistol cartridges in .30 I am aware of are the 32ACP and the 380ACP. Both semi auto pistol cartridges. Please provide a reference to your Air Force pistol.
> Old Tommy is getting as weird as Frank. The U.S.A.F. was the first
> service to exhibit interest in assault rifles when General Lemay was
> shown an AR-15 in 1960. He promptly ordered 80,000 for the Air Force.
> but the order was turned down by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
> Staff, and the Air Force had to wait until sometime in 1965, or
> thereabouts before they were issued M-16's.
>
> What Tommy is talking about is the M1 Carbine that was the official
> firearm of the Air Force prior to issue of the M-16's.

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 02:31:05 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 3:04:19 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> > On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> > >> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> > >>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> > >>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> > >>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
>> >> > >>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
>> >> > >>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
>> >> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
>> >> > >>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
>> >> > >>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
>> >> > >>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
>> >> > >>>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>> >> > >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
>> >> > >>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
>> >> > >>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
>> >> > >>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>
>> >> > >>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
>> >> > >>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
>> >> > >>>> M1 in .308.
>> >> > >>>> --
>> >> > >>>> Andrew Muzi
>> >> > >>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >> > >>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
>> >> > >>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
>> >> > >>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
>> >> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
>> >> > >> 1950s. Both are very available:
>> >> > >> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
>> >> > >> --
>> >> > >> Andrew Muzi
>> >> > >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >> > >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >> > >
>> >> > > No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
>> >> > >
>> >> > The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
>> >> > outlet for US Government surplus arms.
>> >> > https://thecmp.org/about/
>> >> >
>> >> > Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
>> >> > now.
>> >> There were no Garands made in .308 or the 7.62 or whatever the NATO round is called. The AR14 was I believe made in that cartridge and was called the AR21. The question is, what does it matter. This is all some dumb ass comments between Frank who craps his pant at the word "gun", John who pretends to be an expert (the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2) and Russell who is attempting to look macho by looking up crap he knows nothing about and giving us a John Google message.
>> >>
>> >
>> >There were M1 Garands made in 308 Winchester (7.62x51mm) after the WW2. Andy provided a link to some surplus Italian rifles made in 1952. At the beginning of NATO. NATO adopted the slightly weaker 7.62x51mm cartridge. They wanted to make a NATO compliant gun. And the US Navy after WW2 also made some M1 Garands in 7.62x51mm. But all WW2 USA Army M1 Garands were 30-06.
>> >
>> >What you are trying to think of is the AR-10. It was Armalite's first attempt at a NATO bid in 1956. It used the 7.62x51mm NATO round. It was not too successful. But a few years later Eugene Stoner used it as a model for the AR-15 submission to tests. And it became the M16 military rifle.
>> >
>> >Apparently Armalite did make a AR-14 in 308 Winchester. 7.62x51mm.
>> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite
>> >See the Products section of this webpage.
>> >
>> >"(the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2)"??????
>> >This is kind of funny. Tommy, don't you know the M2 is the 50 caliber John Browning heavy machine gun? But you think the M2 is a .30 pistol? The only pistol cartridges in .30 I am aware of are the 32ACP and the 380ACP. Both semi auto pistol cartridges. Please provide a reference to your Air Force pistol.
>> Old Tommy is getting as weird as Frank. The U.S.A.F. was the first
>> service to exhibit interest in assault rifles when General Lemay was
>> shown an AR-15 in 1960. He promptly ordered 80,000 for the Air Force.
>> but the order was turned down by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
>> Staff, and the Air Force had to wait until sometime in 1965, or
>> thereabouts before they were issued M-16's.
>>
>> What Tommy is talking about is the M1 Carbine that was the official
>> firearm of the Air Force prior to issue of the M-16's.
>
>OK. I looked it up and maybe sort of Tommy is not completely wrong as usual.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine#Carbine.2C_Cal_.30.2C_M2
>
>
>
>
>> >> The good thing about Biden talking about throwing out the 2nd Amendment is that the entirety of America appreciates the 2nd Amendment save for a few people and every time he talks about it his popularity rating goes even lower. His advisors are so bloated with power they don't even notice it.
>> >
>> >Sadly tonight another mass shooting by a 2nd Amendment believer happened tonight. In Tulsa, Oklahoma at a hospital. Only 4 killed, so not too many I guess.
>> Who seems, I read in the news, to have shot people and then committed
>> suicide. And I read about some 18 year old that apparently drove 200
>> miles to shoot Blacks in Buffalo N.Y.
>> Forget the guns... you have some very deranged people in the U.S.
>
>Buffalo was two weeks ago. Old news already. We had the Texas school children murders a week ago. And tonight the Oklahoma minor murders. And a lot of other killing all over the USA too in the mean time. John, we can't forget the guns because those are used by the deranged people to kill lots of people. Deranged people trying to beat dozens of people to death with their fists isn't too much of a concern. Its a concern, but no one is too worried about that. I'm just averaged size, but I could fight back more than a little bit. And of course to hear our Tommy boy brag, he is the baddest, most lethal man on earth. No one messes with him. If any deranged person tried to assault him, he would put them down and away.
>

Am 02.06.2022 um 11:31 schrieb russellseaton1@yahoo.com:
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 3:04:19 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5,
>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an answer about Gun Control if you informed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that more people were killed with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knives than guns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> say that Tom is a liar and a fool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In
>>>>>>>>>>>> this case knives (or hands and feet for that
>>>>>>>>>>>> matter) outnumber rifles for homicide by a lot.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But not more than 'all firearms'.
>>>>>>>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are
>>>>>>>>>>> suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are
>>>>>>>>>>> included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error
>>>>>>>>>>> of not specifying "more murders by a large margin
>>>>>>>>>>> are committed with knives rather than rifles."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby
>>>>>>>>>>> needs an assault weapon" when he can't even
>>>>>>>>>>> define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that
>>>>>>>>>>> killed the most people in this entire world is a
>>>>>>>>>>> Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any
>>>>>>>>>>> hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with
>>>>>>>>>> variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were
>>>>>>>>>> fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very
>>>>>>>>>> limited production and use. But I don't think there
>>>>>>>>>> is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1
>>>>>>>>>> Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the
>>>>>>>>>> rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle
>>>>>>>>>> from 1936 to 1957.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any
>>>>>>>>>> hunting rifle look similar, well.........
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47 Typical hunting
>>>>>>>>>> rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back
>>>>>>>>>> side about something he is completely clueless
>>>>>>>>>> about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many
>>>>>>>>>> hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the
>>>>>>>>>> internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an
>>>>>>>>>> M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto
>>>>>>>>>> rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was
>>>>>>>>>> loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into
>>>>>>>>>> the internal magazine from the top. Through the
>>>>>>>>>> open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external
>>>>>>>>>> magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
>>>>>>>>> M1 in .308. -- Andrew Muzi <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>>>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber.
>>>>>>>> .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06.
>>>>>>>> Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing
>>>>>>>> length and different power. 30-06 is a little more
>>>>>>>> powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to
>>>>>>>> 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308
>>>>>>>> Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the
>>>>>>>> 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for
>>>>>>>> caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for
>>>>>>>> WW2.
>>>>>>>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
>>>>>>> 1950s. Both are very available:
>>>>>>> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/ -- Andrew
>>>>>>> Muzi <www.yellowjersey.org/> Open every day since 1
>>>>>>> April, 1971
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new
>>>>>> barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of.
>>>>>> .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different
>>>>>> length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP
>>>>>> company puts different barrels with different gas ports in
>>>>>> the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible
>>>>>> with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT
>>>>>> selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make
>>>>>> 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US
>>>>>> Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308
>>>>>> caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below
>>>>>> talks about the Navy conversion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was
>>>>>> young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in
>>>>>> .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1
>>>>>> Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as
>>>>>> surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply
>>>>>> surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any
>>>>>> surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were
>>>>>> all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of
>>>>>> these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported
>>>>>> for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are
>>>>>> bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon
>>>>>> bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time
>>>>>> Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have
>>>>>> Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits
>>>>>> you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace
>>>>>> all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour
>>>>>> bike?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
>>>>> outlet for US Government surplus arms.
>>>>> https://thecmp.org/about/
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
>>>>> now.
>>>> There were no Garands made in .308 or the 7.62 or whatever the
>>>> NATO round is called. The AR14 was I believe made in that
>>>> cartridge and was called the AR21. The question is, what does
>>>> it matter. This is all some dumb ass comments between Frank who
>>>> craps his pant at the word "gun", John who pretends to be an
>>>> expert (the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round
>>>> M2) and Russell who is attempting to look macho by looking up
>>>> crap he knows nothing about and giving us a John Google
>>>> message.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There were M1 Garands made in 308 Winchester (7.62x51mm) after
>>> the WW2. Andy provided a link to some surplus Italian rifles made
>>> in 1952. At the beginning of NATO. NATO adopted the slightly
>>> weaker 7.62x51mm cartridge. They wanted to make a NATO compliant
>>> gun. And the US Navy after WW2 also made some M1 Garands in
>>> 7.62x51mm. But all WW2 USA Army M1 Garands were 30-06.
>>>
>>> What you are trying to think of is the AR-10. It was Armalite's
>>> first attempt at a NATO bid in 1956. It used the 7.62x51mm NATO
>>> round. It was not too successful. But a few years later Eugene
>>> Stoner used it as a model for the AR-15 submission to tests. And
>>> it became the M16 military rifle.
>>>
>>> Apparently Armalite did make a AR-14 in 308 Winchester.
>>> 7.62x51mm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite See the
>>> Products section of this webpage.
>>>
>>> "(the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round
>>> M2)"?????? This is kind of funny. Tommy, don't you know the M2 is
>>> the 50 caliber John Browning heavy machine gun? But you think the
>>> M2 is a .30 pistol? The only pistol cartridges in .30 I am aware
>>> of are the 32ACP and the 380ACP. Both semi auto pistol
>>> cartridges. Please provide a reference to your Air Force pistol.
>> Old Tommy is getting as weird as Frank. The U.S.A.F. was the first
>> service to exhibit interest in assault rifles when General Lemay
>> was shown an AR-15 in 1960. He promptly ordered 80,000 for the Air
>> Force. but the order was turned down by the chairman of the Joint
>> Chiefs of Staff, and the Air Force had to wait until sometime in
>> 1965, or thereabouts before they were issued M-16's.
>>
>> What Tommy is talking about is the M1 Carbine that was the
>> official firearm of the Air Force prior to issue of the M-16's.
>
> OK. I looked it up and maybe sort of Tommy is not completely wrong
> as usual.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine#Carbine.2C_Cal_.30.2C_M2
>
>
>
>
>>>> The good thing about Biden talking about throwing out the 2nd
>>>> Amendment is that the entirety of America appreciates the 2nd
>>>> Amendment save for a few people and every time he talks about
>>>> it his popularity rating goes even lower. His advisors are so
>>>> bloated with power they don't even notice it.
>>>
>>> Sadly tonight another mass shooting by a 2nd Amendment believer
>>> happened tonight. In Tulsa, Oklahoma at a hospital. Only 4
>>> killed, so not too many I guess.
>> Who seems, I read in the news, to have shot people and then
>> committed suicide. And I read about some 18 year old that
>> apparently drove 200 miles to shoot Blacks in Buffalo N.Y. Forget
>> the guns... you have some very deranged people in the U.S.
>
> Buffalo was two weeks ago. Old news already. We had the Texas
> school children murders a week ago. And tonight the Oklahoma minor
> murders. And a lot of other killing all over the USA too in the mean
> time. John, we can't forget the guns because those are used by the
> deranged people to kill lots of people. Deranged people trying to
> beat dozens of people to death with their fists isn't too much of a
> concern. Its a concern, but no one is too worried about that. I'm
> just averaged size, but I could fight back more than a little bit.
> And of course to hear our Tommy boy brag, he is the baddest, most
> lethal man on earth. No one messes with him. If any deranged person
> tried to assault him, he would put them down and away.

On 6/2/2022 3:04 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for an answer about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gun Control if you informed them that more people were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed with knives than guns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly say that Tom is
>>>>>>>>>>>> a liar and a fool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In this case knives
>>>>>>>>>>> (or hands and feet for that matter) outnumber rifles for
>>>>>>>>>>> homicide by a lot. But not more than 'all firearms'.
>>>>>>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error of not specifying "more murders by a large margin are committed with knives rather than rifles."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby needs an assault weapon" when he can't even define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that killed the most people in this entire world is a Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very limited production and use. But I don't think there is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1 Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle from 1936 to 1957.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any hunting rifle look similar, well.........
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
>>>>>>>>> Typical hunting rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
>>>>>>>>> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back side about something he is completely clueless about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into the internal magazine from the top. Through the open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI: https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
>>>>>>>> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
>>>>>>>> M1 in .308.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber. .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06. Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing length and different power. 30-06 is a little more powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308 Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for WW2.
>>>>>>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
>>>>>> 1950s. Both are very available:
>>>>>> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>>
>>>>> No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of. .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP company puts different barrels with different gas ports in the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308 caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below talks about the Navy conversion.
>>>>>
>>>>> My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1 Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour bike?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win.212352/
>>>>>
>>>> The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
>>>> outlet for US Government surplus arms.
>>>> https://thecmp.org/about/
>>>>
>>>> Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
>>>> now.
>>> There were no Garands made in .308 or the 7.62 or whatever the NATO round is called. The AR14 was I believe made in that cartridge and was called the AR21. The question is, what does it matter. This is all some dumb ass comments between Frank who craps his pant at the word "gun", John who pretends to be an expert (the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2) and Russell who is attempting to look macho by looking up crap he knows nothing about and giving us a John Google message.
>>>
>>
>> There were M1 Garands made in 308 Winchester (7.62x51mm) after the WW2. Andy provided a link to some surplus Italian rifles made in 1952. At the beginning of NATO. NATO adopted the slightly weaker 7.62x51mm cartridge. They wanted to make a NATO compliant gun. And the US Navy after WW2 also made some M1 Garands in 7.62x51mm. But all WW2 USA Army M1 Garands were 30-06.
>>
>> What you are trying to think of is the AR-10. It was Armalite's first attempt at a NATO bid in 1956. It used the 7.62x51mm NATO round. It was not too successful. But a few years later Eugene Stoner used it as a model for the AR-15 submission to tests. And it became the M16 military rifle.
>>
>> Apparently Armalite did make a AR-14 in 308 Winchester. 7.62x51mm.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite
>> See the Products section of this webpage.
>>
>> "(the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2)"??????
>> This is kind of funny. Tommy, don't you know the M2 is the 50 caliber John Browning heavy machine gun? But you think the M2 is a .30 pistol? The only pistol cartridges in .30 I am aware of are the 32ACP and the 380ACP. Both semi auto pistol cartridges. Please provide a reference to your Air Force pistol.
>
> Old Tommy is getting as weird as Frank. The U.S.A.F. was the first
> service to exhibit interest in assault rifles when General Lemay was
> shown an AR-15 in 1960. He promptly ordered 80,000 for the Air Force.
> but the order was turned down by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
> Staff, and the Air Force had to wait until sometime in 1965, or
> thereabouts before they were issued M-16's.
>
> What Tommy is talking about is the M1 Carbine that was the official
> firearm of the Air Force prior to issue of the M-16's.
>
>>> The good thing about Biden talking about throwing out the 2nd Amendment is that the entirety of America appreciates the 2nd Amendment save for a few people and every time he talks about it his popularity rating goes even lower. His advisors are so bloated with power they don't even notice it.
>>
>> Sadly tonight another mass shooting by a 2nd Amendment believer happened tonight. In Tulsa, Oklahoma at a hospital. Only 4 killed, so not too many I guess.
>
> Who seems, I read in the news, to have shot people and then committed
> suicide. And I read about some 18 year old that apparently drove 200
> miles to shoot Blacks in Buffalo N.Y.
> Forget the guns... you have some very deranged people in the U.S.
>

Rolf Mantel wrote:

> NRA: "It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun"
> Texas: "It takes 20 good guys with guns to stop a bad guy"
> Oklahoma: "It takes 20 good guys in all schools and hospitals to take
> out a bad guy with a gun"
>
> What's the learning?

damnatio memoriae -- Stop making a shooter famous.

And until morale improves, feed the sharks: Consider dropping twenty
all hat, no cattle cops in the Gulf instead of ever paying them lavish
retirements.

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 5:05:58 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 02.06.2022 um 11:31 schrieb russell...@yahoo.com:
> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 3:04:19 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 00:21:21 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:29:30 AM UTC-5,
> >>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:04:05 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/31/2022 4:56 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 10:31 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:41:54 AM UTC-5, AMuzi
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2022 12:42 AM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:07:49 PM UTC-5,
> >>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 8:45:13 AM UTC-7,
> >>>>>>>>>>> AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:58 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/28/2022 5:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you suppose people would give for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> an answer about Gun Control if you informed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them that more people were killed with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knives than guns.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the U.S.?? People would correctly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> say that Tom is a liar and a fool.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Where on earth do you get your wild ideas, Tom?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Kunich is prone to conflating things. In
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this case knives (or hands and feet for that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> matter) outnumber rifles for homicide by a lot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But not more than 'all firearms'.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you consider that most pistol homicides are
> >>>>>>>>>>> suicides by a healthy margin and that rifles are
> >>>>>>>>>>> included in nearly NO homicides, I made the error
> >>>>>>>>>>> of not specifying "more murders by a large margin
> >>>>>>>>>>> are committed with knives rather than rifles."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> That pin headed Frank and his belief that "noboby
> >>>>>>>>>>> needs an assault weapon" when he can't even
> >>>>>>>>>>> define what an "assault weapon" is is maddening.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone should be aware that the rifle that
> >>>>>>>>>>> killed the most people in this entire world is a
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kalishnikov (AK-47) and it looks just like any
> >>>>>>>>>>> hunting rifle - very similar to an M1B.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> M1B?????? I did a search and did come up with
> >>>>>>>>>> variants of the M1 labeled C and D. They were
> >>>>>>>>>> fitted with scopes and called sniper rifles. Very
> >>>>>>>>>> limited production and use. But I don't think there
> >>>>>>>>>> is anything called an M1B. It was just the M1
> >>>>>>>>>> Garand. Garand for the Canadian who designed the
> >>>>>>>>>> rifle. The M1 was the official US military rifle
> >>>>>>>>>> from 1936 to 1957.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Now, whether the M1 Garand and the AK47 and any
> >>>>>>>>>> hunting rifle look similar, well.........
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47 Typical hunting
> >>>>>>>>>> rifles are the Remington 700 or the Winchester 70.
> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> https://www.winchesterguns.com/products/rifles/model-70/current.html
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Once again, we have Tommy talking out of his back
> >>>>>>>>>> side about something he is completely clueless
> >>>>>>>>>> about. Typical Tommy. Tell us Tommy boy, how many
> >>>>>>>>>> hunting rifles are loaded with a clip into the
> >>>>>>>>>> internal magazine? None? Do you even know what an
> >>>>>>>>>> M1 Garand is? I doubt it. It was the semi auto
> >>>>>>>>>> rifle used by the military in WW2 and Korea. It was
> >>>>>>>>>> loaded with an 8 round clip that was shoved into
> >>>>>>>>>> the internal magazine from the top. Through the
> >>>>>>>>>> open bolt. Semi auto hunting rifles use an external
> >>>>>>>>>> magazine. That is pushed into the rifle.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Your cluelessness is truly astounding.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't believe me, then listen to the FBI:
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://dailycaller.com/2021/03/24/knives-kill-more-people-than-rifles-every-year/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> When I was young the most popular deer rifles were surplus
> >>>>>>>>> M1 in .308. -- Andrew Muzi <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >>>>>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> No. The M1 Garand was only produced in 30-06 caliber.
> >>>>>>>> .30 caliber Springfield 1906. Thus 30-aught 6. 30-06.
> >>>>>>>> Not 308 Winchester. Same bullet but different casing
> >>>>>>>> length and different power. 30-06 is a little more
> >>>>>>>> powerful than 308 Winchester. 63mm case compared to
> >>>>>>>> 51mm casing. The US Navy did briefly make a 308
> >>>>>>>> Winchester version after WW2. The M1 Garand copied the
> >>>>>>>> 1903 Springfield bolt action rifle from WW1 for
> >>>>>>>> caliber. Bolt action 30-06 for WW1. Semi auto 30-06 for
> >>>>>>>> WW2.
> >>>>>>>> https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/longgun_reviews_st_0302_springfield/100437
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> https://www.quora.com/What-caliber-round-does-the-M1-Garand-use
> >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> WWII Garands are 30-06. The Army changed to .308 in the
> >>>>>>> 1950s. Both are very available:
> >>>>>>> https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/m1-garand/ -- Andrew
> >>>>>>> Muzi <www.yellowjersey.org/> Open every day since 1
> >>>>>>> April, 1971
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No. The link you provided is for a company that makes new
> >>>>>> barrels for the Garand. In a different caliber. Sort of.
> >>>>>> .30-06 and .308 are the same bullet. But use different
> >>>>>> length casings with different amounts of powder. This CMP
> >>>>>> company puts different barrels with different gas ports in
> >>>>>> the original M1 Garand rifles. Thus making them compatible
> >>>>>> with weaker .308 rounds. But this CMP company is NOT
> >>>>>> selling you an original M1 Garand. The Army did not make
> >>>>>> 308 Garand rifles. The Army only made 30-06 Garands. The US
> >>>>>> Navy briefly adapted some M1 Garands to 7.62x51mm .308
> >>>>>> caliber. But those are now collector items. The link below
> >>>>>> talks about the Navy conversion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My original comment was based on your quote of "When I was
> >>>>>> young the most popular deer rifles were surplus M1 in
> >>>>>> .308." No. Not possible because the Army never ever made M1
> >>>>>> Garands in .308. And did not sell the never made rifles as
> >>>>>> surplus. You said surplus M1 in .308. Which would imply
> >>>>>> surplus rifles from WW2. Or Korea. There were not any
> >>>>>> surplus rifles from the Army after WW2 in .308. They were
> >>>>>> all 30-06 surplus rifles. You could have bought one of
> >>>>>> these surplus 30-06 rifles and had it rebarreled and ported
> >>>>>> for .308. Yes. But generally surplus military rifles are
> >>>>>> bought cheap and used. Not rebuilt and custom barreled.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kind of like buying Greg Lemond's custom built TVT carbon
> >>>>>> bike from his 1990 Tour. With Campagnolo C Record and Time
> >>>>>> Equipe pedals. But you are taller than Greg. So you have
> >>>>>> Craig Calfee fit new carbon tubes onto the bike so it fits
> >>>>>> you. And you like electronic and Speedplay. So you replace
> >>>>>> all the parts. Do you really have a Greg Lemond 1990 Tour
> >>>>>> bike?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/m1-garand-in-308-win..212352/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is the official
> >>>>> outlet for US Government surplus arms.
> >>>>> https://thecmp.org/about/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looking around a bit I think you're probably right, not sure
> >>>>> now.
> >>>> There were no Garands made in .308 or the 7.62 or whatever the
> >>>> NATO round is called. The AR14 was I believe made in that
> >>>> cartridge and was called the AR21. The question is, what does
> >>>> it matter. This is all some dumb ass comments between Frank who
> >>>> craps his pant at the word "gun", John who pretends to be an
> >>>> expert (the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round
> >>>> M2) and Russell who is attempting to look macho by looking up
> >>>> crap he knows nothing about and giving us a John Google
> >>>> message.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> There were M1 Garands made in 308 Winchester (7.62x51mm) after
> >>> the WW2. Andy provided a link to some surplus Italian rifles made
> >>> in 1952. At the beginning of NATO. NATO adopted the slightly
> >>> weaker 7.62x51mm cartridge. They wanted to make a NATO compliant
> >>> gun. And the US Navy after WW2 also made some M1 Garands in
> >>> 7.62x51mm. But all WW2 USA Army M1 Garands were 30-06.
> >>>
> >>> What you are trying to think of is the AR-10. It was Armalite's
> >>> first attempt at a NATO bid in 1956. It used the 7.62x51mm NATO
> >>> round. It was not too successful. But a few years later Eugene
> >>> Stoner used it as a model for the AR-15 submission to tests. And
> >>> it became the M16 military rifle.
> >>>
> >>> Apparently Armalite did make a AR-14 in 308 Winchester.
> >>> 7.62x51mm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite See the
> >>> Products section of this webpage.
> >>>
> >>> "(the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round
> >>> M2)"?????? This is kind of funny. Tommy, don't you know the M2 is
> >>> the 50 caliber John Browning heavy machine gun? But you think the
> >>> M2 is a .30 pistol? The only pistol cartridges in .30 I am aware
> >>> of are the 32ACP and the 380ACP. Both semi auto pistol
> >>> cartridges. Please provide a reference to your Air Force pistol.
> >> Old Tommy is getting as weird as Frank. The U.S.A.F. was the first
> >> service to exhibit interest in assault rifles when General Lemay
> >> was shown an AR-15 in 1960. He promptly ordered 80,000 for the Air
> >> Force. but the order was turned down by the chairman of the Joint
> >> Chiefs of Staff, and the Air Force had to wait until sometime in
> >> 1965, or thereabouts before they were issued M-16's.
> >>
> >> What Tommy is talking about is the M1 Carbine that was the
> >> official firearm of the Air Force prior to issue of the M-16's.
> >
> > OK. I looked it up and maybe sort of Tommy is not completely wrong
> > as usual.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine#Carbine.2C_Cal_.30.2C_M2
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>>> The good thing about Biden talking about throwing out the 2nd
> >>>> Amendment is that the entirety of America appreciates the 2nd
> >>>> Amendment save for a few people and every time he talks about
> >>>> it his popularity rating goes even lower. His advisors are so
> >>>> bloated with power they don't even notice it.
> >>>
> >>> Sadly tonight another mass shooting by a 2nd Amendment believer
> >>> happened tonight. In Tulsa, Oklahoma at a hospital. Only 4
> >>> killed, so not too many I guess.
> >> Who seems, I read in the news, to have shot people and then
> >> committed suicide. And I read about some 18 year old that
> >> apparently drove 200 miles to shoot Blacks in Buffalo N.Y. Forget
> >> the guns... you have some very deranged people in the U.S.
> >
> > Buffalo was two weeks ago. Old news already. We had the Texas
> > school children murders a week ago. And tonight the Oklahoma minor
> > murders. And a lot of other killing all over the USA too in the mean
> > time. John, we can't forget the guns because those are used by the
> > deranged people to kill lots of people. Deranged people trying to
> > beat dozens of people to death with their fists isn't too much of a
> > concern. Its a concern, but no one is too worried about that. I'm
> > just averaged size, but I could fight back more than a little bit.
> > And of course to hear our Tommy boy brag, he is the baddest, most
> > lethal man on earth. No one messes with him. If any deranged person
> > tried to assault him, he would put them down and away.
> NRA: "It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun"
> Texas: "It takes 20 good guys with guns to stop a bad guy"
> Oklahoma: "It takes 20 good guys in all schools and hospitals to take
> out a bad guy with a gun"
>
> What's the learning? Create millions of highly paid security jobs and
> double or triple local taxes to pay for them?

On 6/2/2022 9:38 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> Rolf Mantel wrote:
>
>> NRA: "It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy
>> with a gun"
>> Texas: "It takes 20 good guys with guns to stop a bad guy"
>> Oklahoma: "It takes 20 good guys in all schools and
>> hospitals to take
>> out a bad guy with a gun"
>>
>> What's the learning?
>
> damnatio memoriae -- Stop making a shooter famous.
>
> And until morale improves, feed the sharks: Consider
> dropping twenty all hat, no cattle cops in the Gulf instead
> of ever paying them lavish retirements.

Miranda Devine, a sharp immigrant to USA, sees it like this:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/01/where-are-the-men-of-courage-theyre-gone-thanks-to-toxic-masculinity/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 6/2/2022 4:04 AM, John B. wrote:
>
> Forget the guns... you have some very deranged people in the U.S.

If they weren't able to buy rapid fire guns, they'd be far less of a
problem.

Gun fetishists can't admit that.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/2/2022 9:38 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> > Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >
> >> NRA: "It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy
> >> with a gun"
> >> Texas: "It takes 20 good guys with guns to stop a bad guy"
> >> Oklahoma: "It takes 20 good guys in all schools and
> >> hospitals to take
> >> out a bad guy with a gun"
> >>
> >> What's the learning?
> >
> > damnatio memoriae -- Stop making a shooter famous.
> >
> > And until morale improves, feed the sharks: Consider
> > dropping twenty all hat, no cattle cops in the Gulf instead
> > of ever paying them lavish retirements.
> Miranda Devine, a sharp immigrant to USA, sees it like this:
>
> https://nypost.com/2022/06/01/where-are-the-men-of-courage-theyre-gone-thanks-to-toxic-masculinity/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I am still of the opinion that this was little more than a stagged massacre to give Democrats more power to claim we need gun control. Even the cops on the spot say they were ordered to stand down.

Do you still believe that people died from covid that wouldn't have from the yearly flu?

Do you still not understand that the Democrats took the appearance of a mild illness to commit election fraud and attack thge American economy? Why did Pennsyvania just shut down a 400 year supply of natural gas? What do you suppose this will do to the cost of utilities?

On 6/2/2022 11:18 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/2/2022 9:38 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>> Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>
>>> NRA: "It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy
>>> with a gun"
>>> Texas: "It takes 20 good guys with guns to stop a bad guy"
>>> Oklahoma: "It takes 20 good guys in all schools and
>>> hospitals to take
>>> out a bad guy with a gun"
>>>
>>> What's the learning?
>>
>> damnatio memoriae -- Stop making a shooter famous.
>>
>> And until morale improves, feed the sharks:  Consider
>> dropping twenty all hat, no cattle cops in the Gulf instead
>> of ever paying them lavish retirements.
>
> Miranda Devine, a sharp immigrant to USA, sees it like this:
>
> https://nypost.com/2022/06/01/where-are-the-men-of-courage-theyre-gone-thanks-to-toxic-masculinity/

Oh, bullshit. There were plenty of killings where cops couldn't or
didn't react in time long before the phrase "toxic masculinity" ever
surfaced. Thanks to American gun culture, killings have been common forever.

The Uvalde police reaction was horribly inappropriate and incompetent.
But there's no way it was caused by fear of reprisal from bystanders.
The parents were begging the cops to rush in.

Andrew, you've complained about the extreme left "never wasting a
crisis." This is the same behavior from Devine.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/2/2022 10:44 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> I have no idea of the gunlaws in Germany these days but being directly adjacent to Russia ...

:-) Ah, geography! It's _so_ complicated! :-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/2/2022 10:24 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> We're a large diverse nation. We have one of everything.

We have way more than "one" mass shooting every year.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

In fact, we lead the world's developed countries in gun deaths, or in
gun deaths per capita. We're number one!

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2022-us-gun-violence-world-comparison/

(OK, if you include _all_ countries, places like El Salvador still beat
our gun deaths per capita. But hey, we're working hard at catching up!)

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 6/2/2022 12:21 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:

<snip>

> "(the Air Force only issued the .30 caliber pistol round M2)"??????
> This is kind of funny. Tommy, don't you know the M2 is the 50 caliber John Browning heavy machine gun? But you think the M2 is a .30 pistol? The only pistol cartridges in .30 I am aware of are the 32ACP and the 380ACP. Both semi auto pistol cartridges. Please provide a reference to your Air Force pistol.

Perhaps he's thinking of the Smith & Wesson M2.0 but it's not in that
caliber and it was never issued by the Air Force.

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:40:13 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 8:19:05 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 6/2/2022 9:38 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> > > Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > >
> > >> NRA: "It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy
> > >> with a gun"
> > >> Texas: "It takes 20 good guys with guns to stop a bad guy"
> > >> Oklahoma: "It takes 20 good guys in all schools and
> > >> hospitals to take
> > >> out a bad guy with a gun"
> > >>
> > >> What's the learning?
> > >
> > > damnatio memoriae -- Stop making a shooter famous.
> > >
> > > And until morale improves, feed the sharks: Consider
> > > dropping twenty all hat, no cattle cops in the Gulf instead
> > > of ever paying them lavish retirements.
> > Miranda Devine, a sharp immigrant to USA, sees it like this:
> >
> > https://nypost.com/2022/06/01/where-are-the-men-of-courage-theyre-gone-thanks-to-toxic-masculinity/
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> I am still of the opinion that this was little more than a stagged massacre to give Democrats more power to claim we need gun control. Even the cops on the spot say they were ordered to stand down.
>
> Do you still believe that people died from covid that wouldn't have from the yearly flu?
>
> Do you still not understand that the Democrats took the appearance of a mild illness to commit election fraud and attack thge American economy? Why did Pennsyvania just shut down a 400 year supply of natural gas? What do you suppose this will do to the cost of utilities?

I am told that ass Scharf believes that M2 refers to a specific weapon and not a model of a weapon There was an M1 machine gun. So why not a Model 2? Why do you suppose that idiot little Jojhn suddenly stopped posting? His Google finally hit the Wikipedia posting that told him what I was talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_carbine#Carbine,_Cal_.30,_M2 We always test fired these weapons in semiautomatic since the idea was accuracy and not rapid fire.

The Air Force's job was to protect its aircraft and not to attack an enemy. A large segment of the 600,000 M2 carbies were issued to tha AAF and then the Air Force and the rest were issued to officers while the ground troops carried M1 Garand rifles.

As I've been saying, it is the idiots who know nothing whatsoever about something that continue to post about these things.

What we need more of is Frank who is a gunophobic to tell us more about guns.