On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:47:41 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
> news:op.1jywutvdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:
>
>> ROTFPMSL!
>
> You have a problem with made up, totally retarded acronyms.
> You could be a bit more stupid, jackass, just not in this life.
> Maybe God will let you come back as a slug. For you that would be a
> 100 fold upgrade.

ROTFPMSL is used everyday on the internet, use a search engine.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
> news:op.1jyww9fcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:
>
>> It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.
>
> Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you
> ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.

Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated. That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:33:07 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:27:07 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
>> > "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu4...@ryzen.lan:
>> >
>> >> They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.
>> >
>> > Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.
>>
>> It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.
>
> Not if they are the government. The government can afford to hire experts who have better grasp of reality than specific individual taxpayers. They wouldn't have to pay much to get somebody better than you.

The government operates above the law. Lets say you're a tradesman, and I pay you money to build an extension to my house, but you use half that money to buy materials for someone else's house extension, that's theft. That's what the government are doing. If you have no kids, you should not pay for other kids to be educated. If you never go to hospital, you shouldn't pay money to the NHS.

>> >> You think that service is useful,
>> >
>> > I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the roof of a tall building.
>>
>> Not at the taxpayer's expense.
>
> That's your conclusion, based on your clearly defective expertise.

It's based on common sense, which unfortunately is no longer common, and you've lost it in its entirety.

>> >> then pay it, voluntarily.
>> >
>> > You're an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.
>>
>> Did that point whoosh over your head? Let's try explaining it like you're five:
>>
>> If say the NHS was made a charity, how many would pay? If you're right and everyone wants the NHS, then everyone would pay. So why make it mandatory?
>
> Everybody wants the NHS during the last eighteen months of their lives,

Then they should take out health insurance. But that should never be obligatory, you might want to risk it that you'll never get ill. You might think you'll have plenty money by then. You might just want to die off anyway instead of have your life extended in a miserable way with no legal way to die. And since the NHS hardly ever actually fixes people, there's no point anyway. If you want a job doing properly, you have to go private.

> which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.

It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.

> The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.
>
> The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic,

The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.

> in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.

The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid. We shouldn't have put any in at all. Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
>>
>> > "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
>> > news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:
>> >
>> >> It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.
>> >
>> > Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you
>> > ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.
>> Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.
>
> Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.
> Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train somebody to do that job.

The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him. Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.

>> That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.
>
> Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable idiots, which he will have resented.
>
> A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.

Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
news:op.1jy650mqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:47:41 +0100,
> <DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org> wrote:
>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
>> news:op.1jywutvdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:
>>
>>> ROTFPMSL!
>>
>> You have a problem with made up, totally retarded acronyms.
>> You could be a bit more stupid, jackass, just not in this life.
>> Maybe God will let you come back as a slug. For you that would
>> be a 100 fold upgrade.
>
> ROTFPMSL is used everyday on the internet, use a search engine.
>

Nope. ROFL was the original and is the only valid one. All the rest
are made up baby bullshit by bullshit retards like you.

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
news:op.1jy68hlfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> . I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get
> educated.

Did you go to a public shool, child? Or are you a privileged
little punk fuck with no grasp on the reality of life for the masses
in a free society?

> That's my money paying for someone else,

Nope. Your tax dollars are not yours to decide what it gets spent
on. Any person above a 3rd grade level education knows that.

> and is clearly
> theft for anyone with half a brain,

The oxygen you breathe is clearly theft, and you don't even have
half a brain.

> now fuck off back to
> kindergarten.

You are a piece of shit. Nothing more. My fingernail clippings
have more on the ball than a stupid punk fuck like you who thinks he
is a commander.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in
>> >> > news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:
>> >> >
>> >> >> It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.
>> >> >
>> >> > Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.
>> >>
>> >> Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.
>> >
>> > Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.
>> > Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train somebody to do that job.
>> >
>> The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him.
>
> Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be grateful.

No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.

>> Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.
>
> Badly, and under supervision. You seem to be dumb enough not to realise quite how badly.

The guy I gardened for was very OCD and would not have accepted badly. It's not rocket science to dig.

>> >> That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.
>> >
>> > Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable idiots, which he will have resented.
>> >
>> > A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.
>>
>> Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.
>
> I'm not talking to you. You clearly haven't got the wit to follow what's being said.

You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."

Please read the manual for your newsreader Mr Slow.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 07:17:16 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>
>>> It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,
>>> a neighborly day in the beauty woods,
>>> would you be mine...
>>
>> No, I live in a neighbourhood. Is it prettier without u in it?
>
> -3

That's a very small penis.

Try Ɑ͞ ̶͞ ̶͞ ﻝﮞ

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:33:07 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 01 Apr 2022 23:27:07 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
>> >> > "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyu4...@ryzen.lan:
>> >> >
>> >> >> They're paying for things I don't want them to pay for.
>> >> >
>> >> > Good for you, fuckhead. It is not your decision.
>> >>
>> >> It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.
>> >
>> > Not if they are the government. The government can afford to hire experts who have better grasp of reality than specific individual taxpayers. They wouldn't have to pay much to get somebody better than you.
>> The government operates above the law. Lets say you're a tradesman, and I pay you money to build an extension to my house, but you use half that money to buy materials for someone else's house extension, that's theft. That's what the government are doing. If you have no kids, you should not pay for other kids to be educated. If you never go to hospital, you shouldn't pay money to the NHS.
>> >> >> You think that service is useful,
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you could do the world a service if you jumped off of the roof of a tall building.
>> >>
>> >> Not at the taxpayer's expense.
>> >
>> > That's your conclusion, based on your clearly defective expertise.
>> It's based on common sense, which unfortunately is no longer common, and you've lost it in its entirety.
>> >> >> then pay it, voluntarily.
>> >> >
>> >> > You're an idiot. Any observer can see that fact.
>> >>
>> >> Did that point whoosh over your head? Let's try explaining it like you're five:
>> >>
>> >> If say the NHS was made a charity, how many would pay? If you're right and everyone wants the NHS, then everyone would pay. So why make it mandatory?
>> >
>> > Everybody wants the NHS during the last eighteen months of their lives,
>>
>> Then they should take out health insurance.
>
> And the US shows how well that works.

It works fine. Why should you pay for poorer people to get fixed? You can always donate to a charity if you want to.

>> But that should never be obligatory, you might want to risk it that you'll never get ill.
>
> Only if you are an idiot.

They are choices, no one is more sensible than another. If you're short of money, you pick and choose things. The car or your health.

> And the problem comes with infectious disease. You don't want your stupid neighbour wandering around giving everybody else the infectious disease he is too stupid to notice that he has and too cheapskate to get treated.

Unlikely.

>> You might think you'll have plenty money by then. You might just want to die off anyway instead of have your life extended in a miserable way with no legal way to die. And since the NHS hardly ever actually fixes people, there's no point anyway. If you want a job doing properly, you have to go private.
>
> Actually, in the UK, the private doctors will tell you go to the NHS if you have something difficult to treat. Doctors who treat a lot of cases of a particular disease do it lot more expertly than those who only run into it occasionally.

All that means is most doctors are in the NHS. Actually a cardiologist I saw privately was an NHS doctor, but he did private work to get more money. A year to wait to see him in the NHS, a week privately. See, the NHS is shit.

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:53:53 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee..org> wrote:

> > Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be grateful.
> No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.

The 'they should pay' means parents' wealth determines education. That's bad policy.
The 'uneducatable' label is an arrogant dismissal of human beings, but lacks content otherwise.
Destiny was an idea that went away millennia ago, and doesn't deserve a return engagement.

As for need, the need is for a modern society to have well-educated populace. Who will be
the movers/shapers/voters of tomorrow, if not those children? They are ALL lords and ladies
in training.

Perhaps the fates (Atropos, Clotho, and Lachesis) ruled Kinsey's life, but that oughtn't
stunt the development of anyone else.

On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 00:49:21 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:53:53 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> > Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be grateful.
>> No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.
>
> The 'they should pay' means parents' wealth determines education. That's bad policy.

Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.

> The 'uneducatable' label is an arrogant dismissal of human beings, but lacks content otherwise.
> Destiny was an idea that went away millennia ago, and doesn't deserve a return engagement.

Genetics took its place.

> As for need, the need is for a modern society to have well-educated populace. Who will be
> the movers/shapers/voters of tomorrow, if not those children? They are ALL lords and ladies
> in training.

We only need some folk to be intelligent, most people are just doing routine mundane tasks. Making them intelligent means they get bored.

On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 03:35:21 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:10:18 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
>> "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >>> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> > "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:
>
> <snip>
>
>> > You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."
>> >
>> > Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr, Sloman.
>>
>> His first gangbang...
>
> John Doe doesn't seem to know what the word means. When some half-literate moron expresses the desire that I don't respond to his half-witted posts with text that includes the occasional four letter verb, it isn't exactly an invitation to indulge in group sex.
>
> John Doe may feel the need to respond as if that was what was meant - a creep like him presumably can't afford to be all that discriminating - but the rest of us can be a bit pickier.

You can say creep, but you can't say fuck?

And again, you're replying to someone in the third person. You do know you just responded to John right? Did you take too much medication?

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> > which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.
>
>> It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.
>
> Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.

Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own pansy mask.

Here you are Mr Narrative Believer:
https://rumble.com/vvimwi-how-to-get-along-with-narrative-believers-narrative-scripts.html

>> > The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.
>> >
>> > The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.
>>
>> The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.
>
> That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan, but it is universal.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
>
> The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.

Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery while the "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your children.

>> The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.
>
> Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing debacle.

The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them in to waste our money.

>> We shouldn't have put any in at all.
>
> Your lack of expertise is showing.

Expertise in what, stealing money?

>> Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.
>
> What a pity. You don't deserve to be,

By who's ruling? God?

> and if you had caught the infection,, not noticed,

What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!

> toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them)

It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).

> you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.

Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
news:op.1j0qjaaqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> See, the NHS is shit.

Turd Commander Kinsey is what is shit.

That's all you are and all you'll ever be.
Maybe try some of the on topic posts, instead of invading the group
with your inane baby bullshit. Though I doubt seriously that you have
any grasp of electronics at all, much less electron theory or physics.
You stink, boy.

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
news:op.1j0426v3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the
> clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be
> rich too.
>

You are an idiot and you sully the human gene pool. You and your
entire bloodline should be erased. Then, the world will be richer.

Clueless scumbags like you think you have it all figured out, but
fail when it comes to accounting for all of what those taxes did for
you and the improvement of your life.

It does not get any more clueless than a dope like you with the
ideology you have. There are BILLIONS of people on the planet. Some
come out of rich families. Many if not most do not. You lacking the
grasp of what the world is and has to be in that scenario is 100% why
you will likely never get it.

You would not know what the bigger picture was if it bit you in your
fat, never was a commander of anything but stupidity ass.

"Commander Wannabe Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
news:op.1j0426v3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> We only need some folk to be intelligent, most people are just
> doing routine mundane tasks. Making them intelligent means they
> get bored.

You're an absolute total retard. You probably never worked a day in
your life and you want to declare what the world should be for everyone
else. You are as bad as Trump, if not worse. You are a bloody fucking
idiot, boy.

Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:1b3eb6f5-88b5-489f-8b3e-2f010a705fedn@googlegroups.com:

> There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much
> about looking after everybody else - protecting them about
> getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected -
> as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by
> anybody else.

Jimmy Kimmel summed it up pretty darn good IMO.
He spells out exactly what is wrong with dopey people unwilling to
conform to know, proven science, all the while embracing the science of
other aspects of modern life, all the while wearing horse blinders and
the attitude of failed jr. high school football jock.

<https://youtu.be/4FkU9fF_NLY?t=489>

On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 5:58:37 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in
> news:1b3eb6f5-88b5-489f...@googlegroups.com:
> > There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much
> > about looking after everybody else - protecting them about
> > getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected -
> > as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by
> > anybody else.
> Jimmy Kimmel summed it up pretty darn good IMO.
> He spells out exactly what is wrong with dopey people unwilling to
> conform to know, proven science, all the while embracing the science of
> other aspects of modern life, all the while wearing horse blinders and
> the attitude of failed jr. high school football jock.
>
> <https://youtu.be/4FkU9fF_NLY?t=489>

Sound exactly like you FFF

On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 07:47:19 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 5:19:22 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
>> Sick 'em
>
> He probably meant "sic 'em".
>
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sic
>
> John Doe is an idiot troll, so it probably isn't a typo.

Why are you telling John Doe that John Doe is a troll? Perhaps you could have said "You are an idiot troll"?

On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 01:25:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 6:53:53 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> It's my money, so anyone using it without my permission is a thief.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Once you pay a tax, the money you paid is no longer yours, you ignorant fucking retarded piece of shit.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Governments must love gullible people like you. I pay money for a gardener to do my garden, I pay money to fill my car with petrol. I do not want to pay money for someone else's kid to get educated.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course, if you want to hire somebody to look after your garden, you'd want a trained gardener. Somebody has to pay to cover the cost of getting them trained.
>> >> >
>> >> > Universal education trains up everybody to good at the sort of tasks for which they have a talent. It happens to be more sensible to use your money to educate everybody, rather than wait for you to decide what service you need to buy and train somebody to do that job.
>> >> >
>> >> The gardener (or his parents) should pay to get trained, because it's an investment for him.
>> >
>> > Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be grateful.
>>
>> No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.
>> >> Not that a gardener needs training, I was doing that as a teenager.
>> >
>> > Badly, and under supervision. You seem to be dumb enough not to realise quite how badly.
>>
>> The guy I gardened for was very OCD and would not have accepted badly. It's not rocket science to dig.
>
> There's more to gardening than digging, though you probably aren't aware of the higher level stuff.

Flower arranging? Really complicated that is.

>> >> >> That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten.
>> >> >
>> >> > Commander Kinsey does seem to have less than half the brain he needs, so he doesn't see the point of universal education. It would have been wasted on him but the education system does serve a function in labeling twits like him as ineducatable idiots, which he will have resented.
>> >> >
>> >> > A commander is somebody who leads cannon-fodder, which is to say one more expendable idiot.
>> >>
>> >> Talking to someone in the third person shows you're fucking drunk and have lost the plot.
>> >
>> > I'm not talking to you. You clearly haven't got the wit to follow what's being said.
>>
>> You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."
>
> I produced a response to your sentence. Anybody silly enough to produce a sentence like that isn't going to get a reply, but rather a response which points out how silly it is.
>
>> Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr. Sloman.
>
> There isn't any manual that I'm aware of. I have been posting here for more than twenty years now, and I do know what's expected which does include dumping on halfwits like you.

You need to learn the simple art of conversation. The person you respond to is the one you're replying to.

On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 08:56:14 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:24:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 00:49:21 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:53:53 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Every kind of education is an investment. We don't kill off the useless dregs, so it makes sense to give them some kind of education to find out of they have a talent for anything, and take advantage of any talent they might have. You should be grateful.
>> >> No, they should pay to get that talent. Instead we try to educate the uneducatable and throw money down the drain. Those destined to work in McDonalds don't need school.
>> >
>> > The 'they should pay' means parents' wealth determines education. That's bad policy.
>>
>> Bullshit. If the kids are clever, it's because they got the clever genes from their parents, which means their parents will be rich too.
>
> It doesn't work that way. You might read "Blueprint" by Robert Plombin to get some idea of how it does work.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Blueprint-How-DNA-Makes-Press/dp/0262039168

I know how it works from experience and how genetics works. You pass on everything - intelligence, height, health, etc.

> And being clever doesn't necessarily make you all that rich.

Of course it does, why do you think jobs requiring you to be clever pay more?

> More to the point, lots of clever kids are brighter than their parents, and it can take a lot of work to persuade people as dim as you to invest in the education of their own kids. let alone in the education of anybody else's kids.

Not much brighter, maybe a little less lazy.

>> > As for need, the need is for a modern society to have well-educated populace. Who will be
>> > the movers/shapers/voters of tomorrow, if not those children? They are ALL lords and ladies
>> > in training.
>>
>> We only need some folk to be intelligent, most people are just doing routine mundane tasks. Making them intelligent means they get bored.
>
> You can't make then intelligent, any more than you can make them talented. You can find out what their strengths are, and cultivate them, which much more a voyage of discovery than some kind of mining expedition. And of course the routine mundane tasks can and should be automated. Machines don't get bored and inattentive.

Thanks for pointing out how useless educating everyone in everything actually is.

On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:10:41 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:26:50 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 03:35:21 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 12:10:18 PM UTC+10, John Doe wrote:
>> >> "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:50:55 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> >> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:38:40 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:32:48 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> >>> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:15:51 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 02:51:29 +0100, <DecadentLinux...@decadence.org> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > "Commander Kinsey" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in news:op.1jyww...@ryzen.lan:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> >> > You replied to my sentence "That's my money paying for someone else, and is clearly theft for anyone with half a brain, now fuck off back to kindergarten."
>> >> >
>> >> > Please read the manual for your newsreader Dr, Sloman.
>> >>
>> >> His first gangbang...
>> >
>> > John Doe doesn't seem to know what the word means. When some half-literate moron expresses the desire that I don't respond to his half-witted posts with a text that includes the occasional four letter verb, he isn't exactly posting an invitation to indulge in group sex.
>> >
>> > John Doe may feel the need to respond as if that was what was meant - a creep like him presumably can't afford to be all that discriminating - but the rest of us can be a bit pickier.
>>
>> You can say creep, but you can't say fuck?
>
> Creep isn't actually a taboo word.

No words are taboo to anyone with a modicum of intelligence you fuckwit.

>> And again, you're replying to someone in the third person. You do know you just responded to John right? Did you take too much medication?
>
> John Doe isn't a real person, any more than you are.

We are both real people, albeit with different names on our birth certificates than on here.

> He's merely another anonymous troll,

I do not troll, I disagree in the strongest possible terms, often with a commonly held misbelief, like religion.

> and are remarkably unpleasant one, though you do seem to be trying to muscle into his territory. It's more that I'm responding at him, having found a way to be tolerably unpleasant about it. It's all about shooting fish in a barrel.

Nobody ever replies to Mr Slow Man taking about "Mr Slow Man", in English we would say "you pillock" not "Mr Slow Man is a pillock".

On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.
>> >
>> >> It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.
>> >
>> > Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.
>>
>> Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own pansy mask.
>
> There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much about looking after everybody else - protecting them about getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected - as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by anybody else.

It's only protects me, since you would be wearing your own, or did you get a magic one that only lets germs go one way?

>> >> > The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.
>> >> >
>> >> > The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.
>> >>
>> >> The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.
>> >
>> > That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan, but it is universal.
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
>> >
>> > The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.
>>
>> Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery while the "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your children.
>
> The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer than bad and over-priced health care.

WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.

>> >> The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.
>> >
>> > Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing debacle.
>>
>> The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them in to waste our money.
>
> You might not have been the only voter to support them - they did win the election, which does imply support outside the lunatic right wing fringe.

It doesn't imply it, as another option is 50% of people are in the "sensible right fringe" while the other 50% are in the "theiving left fringe". Sometimes it's 51/49 one way, sometimes the other way.

>> >> Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.
>> >
>> > What a pity. You don't deserve to be.
>>
>> By who's ruling? God?
>
> Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.

Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.

>> > and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,
>>
>> What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!
>
> Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.
>
> They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well

The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.

Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.

>> > toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).
>>
>> It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).
>
> Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".

It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.

>> > you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.
>>
>> Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case. You were beaten up at school weren't you?
>
> Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.

I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor little "victims"?

> I wear a seat-belt when I'm in a car. I've not had any advantage from it yet, but that doesn't mean that it is a bad idea.

Yes it does. It means every single time you put it on you were wasting your time.

> I didn't get beaten up at school - I got taught to box at an early age,

Ah, the weak ones always take up karate etc to make up for being inferior.

> and nobody started in on that that twice. We did discourage a few people who had ambitions in that direction - we didn't do enough damage to give the teachers anything to notice, but the discouragement was effective.

I hospitalised someone. He didn't grass.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:43:33 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > which is when most people make heavy demands on it. Irresponsible idiots imagine that they are going to live forever, and resent paying for a service that isn't doing anything for them right now.
>> >> >
>> >> >> It's not irresponsible to want to use your money to live a fun life now instead of extend it when you're old and decrepit. It's a choice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Until it comes to catching something infectious. And you probably won't know that what you've got is infectious.
>> >>
>> >> Stop expecting everyone else to look after you. Wear your own pansy mask.
>> >
>> > There's nothing pansy about wearing a mask. It's exactly as much about looking after everybody else - protecting them about getting infected by you even if you don't know you are infected - as it is about protecting yourself from getting infected by anybody else.
>>
>> It's only protects me, since you would be wearing your own, or did you get a magic one that only lets germs go one way?
>
> Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get exposed to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.

Then you can wear two so I don't have to wear one.

>> >> >> > The situation is further complicated by the fact that the main job of any public health service is actually monitoring for epidemics - like the Covid-19 pandemic which has been raging for the past two years, which was the first of it's kind since the Spanish flu which happened about a hundred years earlier. Anticipating unpredictable disasters does require the kind of expertise that most taxpayers lack.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The UK NHS did a rotten job during the Covid19 pandemic, in part because a recent conservative government had dismantled it's contact tracing service to save money.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The NHS never does a decent job, get rid of it entirely.
>> >> >
>> >> > That why the UK life expectancies are 81.4 years on average, 79.8 years for males and 83.0 years for females, while the corresponding US number are lower 78.5 year on average, 76.3 years for males and 80.7 years for females. The UK NHS is Spartan, but it is universal.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
>> >> >
>> >> > The UK is 25th in the international ranking, and the US is 40th.
>> >>
>> >> Oooh! A whole 3 years extra living in a care home in misery while the "NHS" takes your money and house so you can't pass it on to your children.
>> >
>> > The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer than bad and over-priced health care.
>>
>> WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.
>
> But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know, since you think the NHS was involved.

There is no free care. She got free nursing and medication. But the housing and running of the place like cooking and cleaning had to be paid for out of her own money. It would have become free if she ran out of money, but half her life savings was gone in a couple of years.

>> >> >> The Tory government went all left wing and put more money into the NHS during Covid.
>> >> >
>> >> > Better late than never. It makes lot more sense to set up a certain amount of excess capacity before you need it. Starting up something from scratch takes quite a bit longer than fleshing out an existing structure. As in the UK contact tracing debacle.
>> >>
>> >> The tories are supposed to be right wing, we didn't vote them in to waste our money.
>> >
>> > You might not have been the only voter to support them - they did win the election, which does imply support outside the lunatic right wing fringe.
>>
>> It doesn't imply it, as another option is 50% of people are in the "sensible right fringe" while the other 50% are in the "theiving left fringe". Sometimes it's 51/49 one way, sometimes the other way.
>
> Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.

His personality is great, he's more a normal person than a politician. And there's not much change in policy between him and Cameron. I vote for a party not a leader.

>> >> >> Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.
>> >> >
>> >> > What a pity. You don't deserve to be.
>> >>
>> >> By who's ruling? God?
>> >
>> > Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.
>>
>> Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.
>
> It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to reproduce. Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.

It reduces the burden on society.

>> >> > and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,
>> >>
>> >> What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!
>> >
>> > Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.
>> >
>> > They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well
>>
>> The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.
>
> Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.

But if I never get symptoms, or just some mild ones I think are a cold, I will continue to mix with people when I would have been in bed. Why do you think they tell people with symptoms to self isolate?

>> Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.
>
> You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick and dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.

83% speaks for itself.

>> >> > toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).
>> >>
>> >> It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).
>> >
>> > Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".
>>
>> It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.
>
> Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce. Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to reproduce.

On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 06:49:10 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:03:40 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2022 04:43:33 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> > On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:30:16 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 03 Apr 2022 09:45:54 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill.....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 2:57:15 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 06:42:02 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> >> > On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sat, 02 Apr 2022 03:22:44 +0100, Anthony William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> > Masks aren't anything like perfect. They make it less likely that you will infect anybody else (if you happen to be infected and you won't know that since you are infectious before you show symptoms), They also make less likely that you will get exposed to the virus if somebody else is infected. They catch some of the virus loaded droplets, but can't catch all of them.
>>
>> Then you can wear two so I don't have to wear one.
>
> It doesn't work that way. You are clearly too stupid to understand why, so I won't bother spelling it out.

1+1 = 2 duh.

>> >> > The National Health Service doesn't take you money or your house, unlike it's US equivalents, where getting sick is the most likely route to bankruptcy. Aged care homes aren't cheerful places, but good health care keeps you out of them for longer than bad and over-priced health care.
>> >>
>> >> WRONG. My grandmother was in a care home for 2-3 years and half her house value was taken.
>> >
>> > But that wasn't done by the NHS. How you mother' care was paid for is something you haven't told us - you presumably don't know, since you think the NHS was involved.
>> There was no free care. She got free nursing and medication. But the housing and running of the place like cooking and cleaning had to be paid for out of her own money. It would have become free if she ran out of money, but half her life savings was gone in a couple of years.
>
> So it wasn't the NHS.

There are no NHS care homes, only NHS nursing within care homes.

>> > Nobody sensible would have voted for a party lead by Boris Johnson. His personality defects are well known.
>> His personality is great, he's more a normal person than a politician.. And there's not much change in policy between him and Cameron. I vote for a party not a leader.
>
> You clearly aren't remotely sensible. His journalistic career ended when he was caught faking his quotes.
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/boris-johnson-is-the-ultimate-purveyor-of-fake-news
>
> "There was the infamous fabrication of a quote in 1988 that resulted in his being sacked by the Times."

And how does this make him no good at being a politician? I bet you're one of those people who thinks Clinton was a rubbish politician because he got a blowjob.

>> >> >> >> Let Covid kill off the weak and useless. I've had no vaccinations and never wear a mask and have been in close contact with many people. I'm still here.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > What a pity. You don't deserve to be.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> By who's ruling? God?
>> >> >
>> >> > Just my opinion. God - if he existed - could make the point more directly.
>> >>
>> >> Your opinion is wrong. Evolution must be allowed to take place.
>> >
>> > It is taking place - you wont wear a mask or get vaccinated. Human beings have been selected for resistance to infectious disease since started living in towns, but the selection is only effective when it takes out people who will go on to reproduce. Killing of the elderly - which is what Covid19 is best at isn't applying any direct selective pressure at all.
>>
>> It reduces the burden on society.
>
> It also gets rid of people who can still make a contribution. You don't seem to be one of them.

If you can contribute, you're young enough to make babies.

>> >> >> > and if you had caught the infection, not noticed,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What, you mean it can actually be so mild it doesn't hurt? And yet you still worry about it?!
>> >> >
>> >> > Something like 30% of Covid-19 infections are asymptomatic. It's higher if you have been vaccinated against it. And even without symptoms you can have a high enough viral load to infect other people. In fact the asmptomatic seem to have as high a viral load as people who go on to show symptoms.
>> >> >
>> >> > They don't have it for all that long, so it is worth getting vaccinated, and the vaccinated are less likely to get infected at all, so it pays off for everybody else as well
>> >>
>> >> The vaccinated are also less likely to have symptoms, as you just pointed out, so more likely to pass it on unknowingly.
>> >
>> > Pretty much everybody passes it on unknowingly. You are infectious before you show symptoms, and because you haven't retreated to your bed at that point, you are a lot more likely to pass on the disease at that early stage.
>>
>> But if I never get symptoms, or just some mild ones I think are a cold,
>
> An aged care worker - who ended up giving fatal doses of Covid-19 to some of the elderly people she worked with went to work with a "scratchy throat". Bad mistake.

Was she vaccinated?

To be fair a scratchy throat is a common ailment.

>> I will continue to mix with people when I would have been in bed. Why do you think they tell people with symptoms to self isolate?
>
> It makes them less likely to pass on the infection - which is to say to maintain the epidemic.

So you admit that after you get symptoms you can pass it on, we're getting there. Now consider your vaccination is hiding those symptoms from you.

>> >> Anyway, since the stats from a Canadian hospital through a freedom of information request showed 83% of people admitted (so that's with serious symptoms) had been vaccinated, it's fucking useless.
>> >
>> > You didn't look at enough statistics, and probably didn't understand what you did look at. Vaccination does help a lot. It boosts your immune system, and the elderly immune system isn't up to much, so it doesn't stop elderly victims getting sick and dying, but fewer - even of them - get infected if they've been vaccinated or go on to need intensive care or end up dying.
>>
>> 83% speaks for itself.
>
> If 90% of the population has been vaccinated - and it tends to be higher than that for elderly people - some of the people who end up getting infected have to be drawn from that population.

Assuming your 90% is correct....

If the vaccine was 100% effective, 0% of the ill ones in hospital would have been vaccinated.

If the vaccine was 50% effective, 82% of the ill ones in hospital would have been vaccinated.

Sounds like it only works half the time, back to the drawing board.

> https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/
>
> About 97.05% of the 80 and older in Canada have been fully vaccinated, so the 3% of them who haven't been vaccinated were responsibly for 17% of the hospital admissions. Getting vaccinated does seem to have been a good idea, even if it doesn't provide complete protection.

That's like saying carrying a pocket knife will help you against a tiger attack. Maybe a little bit.

>> >> >> > toughed it out, and infected a whole lot of other people (killing some of them).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's called evolution. Live with it (or not).
>> >> >
>> >> > Nobody sane calls endangering other people "evolution".
>> >>
>> >> It's not endangering the tougher ones. If I drive dangerously, I could kill anybody. If I cough over someone, I can only kill the weak, which is what evolution is all about.
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>> > Evolution is about killing off people before they can reproduce. Covid-19 mostly kills of the elderly, who weren't going to reproduce.
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>> Plenty reproducible people die off.
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> But the ones who are past reproduction aren't involved in evolution, and it is them who are doing most of the dying.

But consider the some of the dying.

>> >> >> > you would still be posting the same dangerous nonsense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dangerous ROTFPMSL! I bet you wear a seatbelt too, just in case.. You were beaten up at school weren't you?
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>> >> > Even if you are too stupid to realise how much of a menace you are, you are still a menace.
>> >>
>> >> I was a menace at school. I wonder if you were one of the poor little "victims"?
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>> > Far from it. I was a menace to people like you, because I could and did hit back, but most of the time I was bookish, short-sighted and friendly kid with a thoroughly nasty straight right (which I didn't like using because the target's teeth tended to graze my knuckles).
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>> Nobody ever menaced me, and I didn't have your pansy training.
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> Not that you noticed.