On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 00:23:27 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:29:44 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:55:22 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
>
>> > ... Ukraine has its own
>> > government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
>> > various border countries ditto have their own governments.
>> > Only Russian government answers to Putin.
>
>> Well, in analogy, EU don't want UK to leave and should invade UK UK has no right to be independent.
>
> Nonsense, of course; EU agreements in place are treaties, and always DID
> specify the UK right to leave. We don't do international
> relations by analogies, we do it by other instruments (treaties, laws,
> UN declarations, etc.).
>
> As for 'don't want UK to leave', where did that impression come from?
> The UK vote says there was some difference of opinion, but that's hardly
> a measure of EU sentiment (if EU can be said to have sentiment).

Have you got your head buried in the sand? Every fucking news article showed the EU trying to keep us in.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:23:31 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:29:44 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:55:22 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
> > > ... Ukraine has its own
> > > government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
> > > various border countries ditto have their own governments.
> > > Only Russian government answers to Putin.
>
> > Well, in analogy, EU don't want UK to leave and should invade UK UK has no right to be independent.
> Nonsense, of course; EU agreements in place are treaties, and always DID
> specify the UK right to leave.

Same with Ukraine under USSR. Any state could leave the Soviet Union.

> We don't do international
> relations by analogies, we do it by other instruments (treaties, laws,
> UN declarations, etc.).
>
> As for 'don't want UK to leave', where did that impression come from?
> The UK vote says there was some difference of opinion, but that's hardly
> a measure of EU sentiment (if EU can be said to have sentiment).

I am just applying John Doe's logic, not that i agree with it.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 00:28:57 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 4:23:31 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:29:44 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 2:55:22 PM UTC-7, whit3rd wrote:
>> > > ... Ukraine has its own
>> > > government, was under USSR for a while, but not Russia. The
>> > > various border countries ditto have their own governments.
>> > > Only Russian government answers to Putin.
>>
>> > Well, in analogy, EU don't want UK to leave and should invade UK UK has no right to be independent.
>> Nonsense, of course; EU agreements in place are treaties, and always DID
>> specify the UK right to leave.
>
> Same with Ukraine under USSR. Any state could leave the Soviet Union.

On pain of death.

The west is just as bad. Look at the EU (before the Ukraine war) stopping the UK from buying Russian gas.

John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:t2hoou$me8$1@dont-
email.me:

> THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY CLOSED
>

This "thread closure" lags your brain closure by at least a full
decade.

It does not get more dopey than John Dope.

John Dope <always.look@message.header> wrote in
news:t2id7r$686$1@dont-email.me:

> Killing 500,000 Iraqi children with sanctions is "worth it"
> according to Madeleine Albright...
>

Except that never happened.

The number was never that high in total, and nowhere near that high
for "children".

Essentially, you are still the same abject idiot you have always
been.

Aren't you the idiot with the drill motor bicycle? Claiming miles of
range, etc.? You never was all that bright, Johnny.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:21:13 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

> whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>
>>> For anyone who has time to do the research...
>>>
>>> Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
>>> border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
>>> eastward to those former Russian border countries.
>>
>> Ukraine has its own government,
>
> The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that Ukraine
> is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is foolish. Ukraine
> is and always was a deeply divided country: Western Ukraine is
> traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler's side during WW2, and they
> continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of Ukrainian language
> and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is anti-West Ukrainian
> and moderately pro-Russian but most of all Ruthenians (speak their
> language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want to be reunited with
> Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine. Central Ukraine is very laid
> back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian, moderately pro-Russian, speak
> Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West
> Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak predominantly Russian. Crimea always
> considered itself Russian; they hate West Ukrainians.
>
>> NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.
>
> NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries, based on
> whatever flimsy pretexts, but then freaking out when Russia does the same
> to a country on its next important border.
>
> Ukraine is less than 200 miles from Moscow.
>
> Imperialist warmongers can't get enough WAR WAR WAR.
>
> Our media goes nuts when Russia arms Syrian forces. We have our fingers in
> wars that are halfway around the world while we do not even defend our own
> borders.

Well said. Why didn't we get upset about NATO killing millions all over the world? Because they're in countries we've never heard of like Syria. Oh but the Ukraine is geographically closer to us, they must be good guys.

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
news:op.1j6d3mmkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> He's the only real leader left.

You really are a complete idiot.

> And the Chinky.

And that declaration of your idiocy is certain.

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 7 Apr 2022 00:25:47 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t2lb2a$rtk$2@dont-email.me>.

Further, John Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) John Doe's post ratio to
USENET has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except insults"
to USENET.

KPzNIrDFBFxX

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 7 Apr 2022 00:25:59 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <t2lb2n$rtk$3@dont-email.me>.

Further, Troll Doe stated the following in message-id
<svsh05$lbh$5@dont-email.me> posted Fri, 4 Mar 2022 08:01:09 -0000
(UTC):

> Compared to other regulars, Bozo contributes practically nothing
> except insults to this group.

Yet, since Wed, 5 Jan 2022 04:10:38 -0000 (UTC) Troll Doe's post ratio
to USENET has been 57.5% of its posts contributing "nothing except
insults" to USENET.

FbP820qvSAC4

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John Doe wrote:
>
> >> For anyone who has time to do the research...
> >>
> >> Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
> >> border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
> >> eastward to those former Russian border countries.
> >
> > Ukraine has its own government,
> The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that Ukraine
> is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is foolish. Ukraine
> is and always was a deeply divided country: Western Ukraine is
> traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler's side during WW2, and they
> continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of Ukrainian language
> and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is anti-West Ukrainian
> and moderately pro-Russian but most of all Ruthenians (speak their
> language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want to be reunited with
> Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine. Central Ukraine is very laid
> back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian, moderately pro-Russian, speak
> Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West
> Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak predominantly Russian. Crimea always
> considered itself Russian; they hate West Ukrainians.

That might be true before, but after the invasion, most of the population is anti-Russia. In any case, they should resolve their conflict themselves. Russia, US, EU or any other countries can not forced their polices onto Ukraine.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:35:11 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > John Doe wrote:
>>
>> >> For anyone who has time to do the research...
>> >>
>> >> Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many other
>> >> border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been expanding
>> >> eastward to those former Russian border countries.
>> >
>> > Ukraine has its own government,
>> The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that Ukraine
>> is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is foolish. Ukraine
>> is and always was a deeply divided country: Western Ukraine is
>> traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler's side during WW2, and they
>> continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of Ukrainian language
>> and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is anti-West Ukrainian
>> and moderately pro-Russian but most of all Ruthenians (speak their
>> language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want to be reunited with
>> Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine. Central Ukraine is very laid
>> back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian, moderately pro-Russian, speak
>> Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West
>> Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak predominantly Russian. Crimea always
>> considered itself Russian; they hate West Ukrainians.
>
> That might be true before, but after the invasion, most of the population is anti-Russia. In any case, they should resolve their conflict themselves. Russia, US, EU or any other countries can not forced their polices onto Ukraine.

Agreed. The only military each country should have is that for it's own defensive purposes. Do you go round to your neighbour's house and get involved in a domestic argument? Or leave them to it?

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
news:op.1j6lx713mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> At least you're not American, they say "could care less".

Another presumption from the bloody utter retard Kinsey.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am just applying John Doe's logic
> Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.
>
> That's not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
> hostile neighbor to the European Union.

Ukraine was not hostile to Russia before invasion of Crimea. All they want is to get back their territory.

> It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.

Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.

> A little research goes a long way, but you cannot be bothered.

I have done enough research.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:44:36 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am just applying John Doe's logic
>> Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.
>>
>> That's not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
>> hostile neighbor to the European Union.
>
> Ukraine was not hostile to Russia before invasion of Crimea. All they want is to get back their territory.
>
>> It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.
>
> Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.

What do you call sanctions that make the Russian innocent civilians pay three times as much for food? What NATO is doing is criminal.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:44:36 +0100, Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> >> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am just applying John Doe's logic
> >> Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.
> >>
> >> That's not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
> >> hostile neighbor to the European Union.
> >
> > Ukraine was not hostile to Russia before invasion of Crimea. All they want is to get back their territory.
> >
> >> It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.
> >
> > Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.
> What do you call sanctions that make the Russian innocent civilians pay three times as much for food? What NATO is doing is criminal.

Unfortunate victim of conflict. Even if they are paying three times for food, it's still a lot better than Ukrainians in Mariupol area who can't get food at all, or the dead Ukrainians who has no use for food.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:14:17 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > John Doe wrote:
> >> Ed Lee wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am just applying John Doe's logic
> >> That's not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting
> >> like a hostile neighbor to the European Union.
> > All they want is to get back their territory.
> The poster has not been paying attention. Some factions in Ukraine are
> EXTREMELY hostile to Russia.
>
> Ukraine has been bombing Russia-sympathetic people in Ukraine, for years.

They just want to get rid of the "Little Green Men", who are Russia-sympathetic Russians.

> >> It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its
> >> territory.
> >
> > Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia.
> That is bullshit. Even if that were what Ukraine's government wants (it
> isn't), that's not what NATO wants.
>
> NATO wants to EXTERMINATE Russia.

Article 5:
....
taking . . . such action as it deems neces­sary, includ­ing the use of armed force, to restore and main­tain the secur­ity of the North Atlantic area."

Russia is not in NATO area. NATO cannot invade or exterminate Russia.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.

> NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries, based on
> whatever flimsy pretexts,

The phrase 'flimsy pretext' reminds me of some rumors
of Nazis in Ukraine.

> but then freaking out when Russia does the same
> to a country on its next important border.

Thousands died in the 9/11 attacks, in airliners, Pentagon offices,
and the World Trade Center. NATO responded to
that attack with force. Is Afghanistan the third world country you are
referring to? Such bloodshed is not a flimsy pretext.

> Ukraine is less than 200 miles from Moscow.

So? How far is Afghanistan from New York City?
When and how did Ukraine attack Moscow?

Why should Russia attack if not as a counterattack, and
why would Russia violate that "important border" if not
imperialism and aggression and general warmongering?

Warmongers, imperialism, aggression, are not NATO
principles, but are legitimate NATO concerns.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:01:25 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:52:34 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 01:44:36 +0100, Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:31:18 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> >> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I am just applying John Doe's logic
>> >> Your comrade cannot follow a conversation.
>> >>
>> >> That's not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting like a
>> >> hostile neighbor to the European Union.
>> >
>> > Ukraine was not hostile to Russia before invasion of Crimea. All they want is to get back their territory.
>> >
>> >> It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its territory.
>> >
>> > Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia. NATO would not invade Russia on behalf of Ukraine anyway.
>> What do you call sanctions that make the Russian innocent civilians pay three times as much for food? What NATO is doing is criminal.
>
> Unfortunate victim of conflict. Even if they are paying three times for food, it's still a lot better than Ukrainians in Mariupol area who can't get food at all, or the dead Ukrainians who has no use for food.

Not a valid excuse. If we want to get involved in the war, we should shoot at Russian military, and do nothing else.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:20:58 +0100, Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:14:17 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > John Doe wrote:
>> >> Ed Lee wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I am just applying John Doe's logic
>> >> That's not even close to my logic. The United Kingdom is not acting
>> >> like a hostile neighbor to the European Union.
>> > All they want is to get back their territory.
>> The poster has not been paying attention. Some factions in Ukraine are
>> EXTREMELY hostile to Russia.
>>
>> Ukraine has been bombing Russia-sympathetic people in Ukraine, for years.
>
> They just want to get rid of the "Little Green Men", who are Russia-sympathetic Russians.
>
>> >> It is not inviting a powerful EU-hostile MILITARY organization onto its
>> >> territory.
>> >
>> > Ukraine wants NATO for protection, not to invade Russia.
>> That is bullshit. Even if that were what Ukraine's government wants (it
>> isn't), that's not what NATO wants.
>>
>> NATO wants to EXTERMINATE Russia.
>
> Article 5:
> ...
> taking . . . such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area."

So it's just another warmonger - a bunch of countries that got together to form a gang.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:21:13 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 5:21:19 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > NATO is not a nation, but its members are nations with borders.
>
>> NATO is for cheer-leading the invasion of 3rd world countries, based on
>> whatever flimsy pretexts,
>
> The phrase 'flimsy pretext' reminds me of some rumors
> of Nazis in Ukraine.

The Nazis would have ruled the world a lot better than the NATO pansies.

>> but then freaking out when Russia does the same
>> to a country on its next important border.
>
> Thousands died in the 9/11 attacks, in airliners, Pentagon offices,
> and the World Trade Center. NATO responded to
> that attack with force. Is Afghanistan the third world country you are
> referring to? Such bloodshed is not a flimsy pretext.

That was so funny when America, the country that thought it was in charge of the world, lost it's big towers. I fell of my chair laughing in hysterics.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 02:23:38 +0100, John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote:

> Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>> whit3rd wrote:
>>> > John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>> >> For anyone who has time to do the research...
>>> >>
>>> >> Since the Cold War ended, after Russia gave up Ukraine and many
>>> >> other border countries, the MILITARY organization NATO has been
>>> >> expanding eastward to those former Russian border countries.
>>> >
>>> > Ukraine has its own government
>
>>> The problem is we Westerners were told by Western propaganda that
>>> Ukraine is somehow a one-nation state. That is as false as it is
>>> foolish. Ukraine is and always was a deeply divided country: Western
>>> Ukraine is traditionally nazistic (they were on Hitler's side during
>>> WW2, and they continue to be nazis) people speak their own dialect of
>>> Ukrainian language and hate everyone else; Transcarpathia (Ruthenia) is
>>> anti-West Ukrainian and moderately pro-Russian but most of all
>>> Ruthenians (speak their language as well as Russian and Ukrainian) want
>>> to be reunited with Hungary; Central Ukraine is the true Ukraine.
>>> Central Ukraine is very laid back, moderately anti-West Ukrainian,
>>> moderately pro-Russian, speak Ukrainian and Russian. Southern and
>>> Eastern Ukraine are very anti-West Ukrainian, very pro-Russian, speak
>>> predominantly Russian. Crimea always considered itself Russian; they
>>> hate West Ukrainians.
>>
>> That might be true before, but after the invasion, most of the
>> population is anti-Russia. In any case, they should resolve their
>> conflict themselves. Russia, US, EU or any other countries can not
>> forced their polices onto Ukraine.
>
> A little research shows Ukraine is not the only issue for Russia. NATO has
> been AGGRESSIVELY expanding eastward towards Russia ever since the end of
> the Cold War when Russia gave up control of Ukraine and many other
> countries.
>
> Imperialist warmongers should at least be honest about their ambitions to
> EXTERMINATE Russia. Instead, they pretend like all they want is Mr Rogers
> Neighborhood, while they put troops and missiles in Russia's border
> countries. At some point NATO's expansion was not about DEFENSE anymore.

Not just Russia, they have India and China on their side. Good luck to them, I'm considering defecting, I'm fed up of the pansy West.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:23:45 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:

> Imperialist warmongers should at least be honest about their ambitions to
> EXTERMINATE Russia. Instead, they pretend like all they want is Mr Rogers
> Neighborhood, while they put troops and missiles in Russia's border
> countries. At some point NATO's expansion was not about DEFENSE anymore.

At no point have you ever admitted any valid purpose for NATO. All NATO
members do agree on a defense purpose. As members, they have a voice
and as a critic, you have... nothing. No bad deeds to point to.
Expansion: not a bad deed. Defense: not a bad deed.

If I had to guess Putin's intent, it's imperialism, and his actions are warmongering,
and his purported goal in Ukraine is to eliminate Nazis.
That Nazi problem, is mainly a fantasy (but that won't save the lives of any folk
he names on his little list). Killing, is a bad deed. Shouldn't Putin be
honest, at least, about who he wants to eliminate and why?

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 03:52:16 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:23:45 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>
>> Imperialist warmongers should at least be honest about their ambitions to
>> EXTERMINATE Russia. Instead, they pretend like all they want is Mr Rogers
>> Neighborhood, while they put troops and missiles in Russia's border
>> countries. At some point NATO's expansion was not about DEFENSE anymore.
>
> At no point have you ever admitted any valid purpose for NATO. All NATO
> members do agree on a defense purpose. As members, they have a voice
> and as a critic, you have... nothing. No bad deeds to point to.
> Expansion: not a bad deed. Defense: not a bad deed.
>
> If I had to guess Putin's intent, it's imperialism, and his actions are warmongering,
> and his purported goal in Ukraine is to eliminate Nazis.
> That Nazi problem, is mainly a fantasy (but that won't save the lives of any folk
> he names on his little list). Killing, is a bad deed. Shouldn't Putin be
> honest, at least, about who he wants to eliminate and why?

Sanctions which hurt Russian civilians and also hurt the countries imposing those sanctions. That's an act of war. Why the fuck should I be paying more for everything because the lack of Russian supply makes everything rare? Why the fuck should innocent Russian civilians be paying three times as much for food? NATO needs to be tried for war crimes.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 8:12:38 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 03:52:16 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:23:45 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
> >
> >> Imperialist warmongers should at least be honest about their ambitions...

> > If I had to guess Putin's intent, it's imperialism, and his actions are warmongering,
> > and his purported goal in Ukraine is to eliminate Nazis.
> > That Nazi problem, is mainly a fantasy (but that won't save the lives of any folk
> > he names on his little list). Killing, is a bad deed. Shouldn't Putin be
> > honest, at least, about who he wants to eliminate and why?

> Sanctions which hurt Russian civilians and also hurt the countries imposing those sanctions.

And warning was given before the first assault into Ukraine that there would be sanctions.

>That's an act of war.

No, it's an option well below war; no shots, no takings of persons or property.
If the spate of software intrusions was Russian in origin, THAT was a bigger step than
a trade limitation or currency snub.

>Why the fuck should I be paying more for everything because ...

War is hell. Borders don't always protect you from the shadow cast by conflict elsewhere.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 07:19:41 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 8:12:38 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 03:52:16 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:23:45 PM UTC-7, John Doe wrote:
>> >
>> >> Imperialist warmongers should at least be honest about their ambitions...
>
>> > If I had to guess Putin's intent, it's imperialism, and his actions are warmongering,
>> > and his purported goal in Ukraine is to eliminate Nazis.
>> > That Nazi problem, is mainly a fantasy (but that won't save the lives of any folk
>> > he names on his little list). Killing, is a bad deed. Shouldn't Putin be
>> > honest, at least, about who he wants to eliminate and why?
>
>> Sanctions which hurt Russian civilians and also hurt the countries imposing those sanctions.
>
> And warning was given before the first assault into Ukraine that there would be sanctions.

Who was given warning? The Russian civilians that aren't in control of what Putin is doing? The civilians in the countries imposing the sanctions, who are facing increased prices in everything against their will?

>> That's an act of war.
>
> No, it's an option well below war; no shots, no takings of persons or property.

Shots on military is clearly preferably than sanctions on innocent civilians. Do you really think it's ok to make Russian's pay 3 times more for food? You're fighting the wrong people.

> If the spate of software intrusions was Russian in origin, THAT was a bigger step than
> a trade limitation or currency snub.

I've never been intruded on. Maybe someone needs an AV?

>> Why the fuck should I be paying more for everything because ...
>
> War is hell. Borders don't always protect you from the shadow cast by conflict elsewhere.

The conflict is nothing to do with me or my country. My government has no right to help some other country fight some other country.