> and the photographs at night (12:00 pm) of the ISS prove that the ISS photographs and possibility the ISS are fictional.

It probably isn't photographable easily at the time but a good telescope might do it.

What is illuminating the ISS at 12:00 pm at night?

On 1/31/2022 4:37 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>> and the photographs at night (12:00 pm) of the ISS prove that the ISS photographs and possibility the ISS are fictional.
>
> It probably isn't photographable easily at the time but a good telescope might do it.
>
>
> What is illuminating the ISS at 12:00 pm at night?

I don't know if it is sufficiently, but there is atmospheric refraction
(the fully eclipsed moon is still visible) and human lights. Whether
telescopes can resolve this I don't know, but they are certainly
gathering light from some pretty distant stars.

Regardless, between sunset and the time the ISS goes into the earth's
shadow, it is HIGHLY visible. Right after entering the shadow there will
still be quite a bit of atmospheric refraction. At midnight ????

I'm still awaiting your math to show how long the ISS at 250 miles
altitude remains visible between sunset and entering the earth's shadow,
as part of your proof that I didn't see what I saw.....

I don't know if it is sufficiently, but there is atmospheric refraction (the fully eclipsed moon is still visible) and human light.

At night, atmospheric refraction would not be a significant factor. Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.
>

Not in physics.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

On 2/1/2022 6:10 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.

Not in physics! Many results go against most "common sense".

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:58:16 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 2/1/2022 6:10 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> > Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.
> Not in physics! Many results go against most "common sense".

Are you saying atmospheric refraction from human light is illuminating the ISS?

thor stoneman (aka "carl ito") wrote:
> ... Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.

well...

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-8, Python wrote:
> thor stoneman (aka "carl ito") wrote:
> > ... Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.
>
> well...

Bodkin and Michael Moroney are you suggesting that atmospheric refraction from light that originates from the cities are illuminating the ISS?

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:58:16 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 2/1/2022 6:10 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> > Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.
> Not in physics! Many results go against most "common sense".

Do you need an elaborate mathematical proof to prove that the earth is not flat? Well, do tell, governor.

On Wednesday, 2 February 2022 at 00:17:27 UTC+1, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> thor stoneman <consequen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.
> >
> Not in physics.

Because an idiot has said so.

On Wednesday, 2 February 2022 at 00:58:16 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 2/1/2022 6:10 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> > Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.
> Not in physics! Many results go against most "common sense".

Like the result of measurement of a 6-foot-tall
person standing 100 m away?

On 2/1/2022 7:03 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:58:16 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 2/1/2022 6:10 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>>> Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.
>> Not in physics! Many results go against most "common sense".
>
> Are you saying atmospheric refraction from human light is illuminating the ISS?
No.
Read what I wrote.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 12:36:05 PM UTC-8, maluw...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 2 February 2022 at 00:58:16 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote:
> > On 2/1/2022 6:10 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> > > Also, conmen sense has precedence before a mathematical derivation.
> > Not in physics! Many results go against most "common sense".
> Like the result of measurement of a 6-foot-tall
> person standing 100 m away?

This is very insightful. I figured out an explanation to the problem using your example. I could not understand what you were saying immediately but at the same time that the information was being processing, the answer occurred and at the same instant, I was enlighten to the meaning of your statement. Cheers.

It would be better as:

"Like the result of measurement of a 6-foot-tall person standing 100 miles away?"

I figure it out by thinking 100 miles instead of 100 meters, by mistake.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

At sunset/sunrise, if the intensity of light Sun is illuminating the ISS that is at the height of 250 miles then that same intensity would have to pass through the earth's atmosphere which would reflect light and prevent the viewing of the ISS.

thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> At sunset/sunrise, if the intensity of light Sun is illuminating the ISS
> that is at the height of 250 miles then that same intensity would have to
> pass through the earth's atmosphere which would reflect light and
> prevent the viewing of the ISS.
>

Which would also prevent us from seeing the moon, since all the sunlight
illuminating the moon would have to pass through the earth’s atmosphere
which would reflect light and prevent the viewing of the moon.

I honestly think that deep down you know you’re broken upstairs, and that
you suffer these obsessions. For some reason it is a compulsion for you to
uncover deceptions whether they are really there or not.

As you say, you haven’t been imprisoned yet. But give it time. You’re being
watched.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Which would also prevent us from seeing the moon, since all the sunlight
illuminating the moon would have to pass through the earth’s atmosphere
which would reflect light and prevent the viewing of the moon.

Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Nope since the surface area of the moon is more than 500 times larger than the surface area of the ISS comparatively speaking that is.

You’re being watched.

Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Taylor Swift is watching me?

>
> As you say, you haven’t been imprisoned yet. But give it time. You’re being
> watched.
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

You are not going to steal my bicycle--- are you? Please Bodkin do not steal my bicycle and if you do I will cry. So, please do not steal my bicycle since it is how I get around and then I will have to walk and will not have time to view the ISS the next time it comes around which may be a long time since unless you are completely inebriated you will not be able to see it, right?

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-8, thor stoneman wrote:
> Which would also prevent us from seeing the moon, since all the sunlight
> illuminating the moon would have to pass through the earth’s atmosphere
> which would reflect light and prevent the viewing of the moon.
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Nope since the surface area of the moon is more than 500 times larger than the surface area of the ISS comparatively speaking that is. What do you think?

On 2/3/2022 7:17 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 3:53:04 PM UTC-8, thor stoneman wrote:
>> Which would also prevent us from seeing the moon, since all the sunlight
>> illuminating the moon would have to pass through the earth’s atmosphere
>> which would reflect light and prevent the viewing of the moon.
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
>
> Nope since the surface area of the moon is more than 500 times larger than the surface area of the ISS comparatively speaking that is. What do you think?

The moon is 500 times the area of the ISS? I know the ISS is big, but
it's not THAT big! I would have thought the moon has MUCH more area than
500 times the ISS!

Anyway, if the moon is 500 times larger, that means the ISS would be
1/500 times as bright as the moon (ignoring albedo, I know the moon is
quite dark on average). Since the full moon is quite bright, 1/500 of
that should be easily visible.

On 2/3/2022 6:03 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> At sunset/sunrise, if the intensity of light Sun is illuminating the ISS that is at the height of 250 miles then that same intensity would have to pass through the earth's atmosphere which would reflect light and prevent the viewing of the ISS.

The atmosphere reflects light? Last I looked, the atmosphere (without
clouds) is quite clear, and we can see things like the moon, planets,
stars, the ISS etc. etc.

>
> Anyway, if the moon is 500 times larger, that means the ISS would be
> 1/500 times as bright as the moon (ignoring albedo, I know the moon is
> quite dark on average). Since the full moon is quite bright, 1/500 of
> that should be easily visible.

Yes that is true but the ISS is not high enough and the intensity of the Sun is blocked by the shadow of the earth.

On 2/4/2022 5:04 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyway, if the moon is 500 times larger, that means the ISS would be
>> 1/500 times as bright as the moon (ignoring albedo, I know the moon is
>> quite dark on average). Since the full moon is quite bright, 1/500 of
>> that should be easily visible.
>
> Yes that is true but the ISS is not high enough and the intensity of the Sun is blocked by the shadow of the earth.

I am still waiting for your math showing how long it takes from sunset
to when the ISS, 250 miles directly overhead, moves into the shadow of
the earth.

Need help with the math?