On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:38:29 PM UTC-8, carl eto wrote:

> How high is high enough? Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> It would not matter how high at 12:00 am since the earth's shadow would be in the way.

You cannot see the ISS at midnight from most latitudes, only in the evening within a short time after sunset or in the morning within a short time before sunrise... just like with almost all other satellites. This is common knowledge among satellite aficionados...

The ISS is very real, you need to get over it... get a clue...

https://www.heavens-above.com/PassSummary.aspx?satid=25544&lat=0&lng=0&loc=Unspecified&alt=0&tz=UCT

Den 28.01.2022 21:19, skrev carl eto:
> ISS is lit on its inside. We're simply seeing the light from its windows.

Carl Eto, you are too stupid to be real, so you must be a troll.

I wonder why some take the bait over an over.

<plonk> (But alas, I will still see the responses.)
--
Paul, taking the bait

https://paulba.no/

carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:
> How high is high enough? Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
> It would not matter how high at 12:00 am since the earth's shadow would be in the way.
>

And you don’t see the ISS at midnight.

Seeing it at night does not mean seeing it at midnight.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>
>
> https://tubitv.com/movies/639799/the-good-liar?start=true&utm_source=google-feed&tracking=google-feed
>

All you have to do is look yourself.

--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:

> https://tubitv.com/movies/639799/the-good-liar?start=true&utm_source=google-fe
ed&tracking=google-feed

Evil American sites like this one are not available in the EU,

Jan

On 1/29/2022 9:19 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How high is high enough? Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>> It would not matter how high at 12:00 am since the earth's shadow would be in the way.
>>
>
> And you don’t see the ISS at midnight.
>
> Seeing it at night does not mean seeing it at midnight.

The ISS is only visible shortly after sunset and shortly before sunrise.
>
Certainly there's a way to calculate when the ISS, X miles above earth,
is still in daylight but a point directly below is already in darkness
in the evening, and how long that lasts. But I'm not about to look it up.

https://www.universetoday.com/101637/incredible-astrophoto-space-station-flies-over-stonehenge/

You bloats are fabulous, a grand slam right out of the park and I thought that I had a chance but you guys are such jolly smart gigantic lads that I knew you could do it and I would be sitting with my head up my arse with my bollocks in my mouth looking at a grand slam in the ninth, game seven---- to win. Great job to all my lovely mates and cheers. Bloody Mary can't ever be wrong with all you smart guys around but I have a couple of questions that I know that you all will be able to slam out of the pinch like the illumination problem or is this the illumination problem with a couple of loose strings.  First, in the NASA photograph of the ISS shows a streak of light across the horizon which suggest that the illuminated object (ISS) has a spherical shape yet the ISS has a tubular structure similar to an elongated garbage can with wings

https://www.scheels.com/p/lego-ideas-international-space-station/67341932579.html?store=&gclid=Cj0KCQiA6NOPBhCPARIsAHAy2zC_rGtkb3wQZww7muvHRd0MzOh8h-0GLzzZ8ME-YUgde3CCC4EyyW0aAo3GEALw_wcB

This elongated garage can with wings would not form the streak of light across the horizon since the ISS does not have a spherical shape. Second, if the Sun's intensity was producing the ISS illumination at daybreak and sunset then wouldn't the intensity of the illuminated object vary as the ISS approaches the light side of the earth? Finally, from Sacramento CA, on a clear day I can see the Sierra Nevada mountains that are 100 miles away. If a 747 jumbo jet that is close to the size of the ISS were to pass the mountains I would not be able to see the 747 Jumbo jet from Sacramento using binoculars yet the ISS is 250 miles from the earth. Also, from the Goodyear Blimp a hot air balloon at the height of 7,000 meters, on a clear day, it is 160 miles from SF to the Sierra Nevada mountains using binoculars one cannot see a 747 Jumbo jet flying parallel to the Sierra Nevada mountain range. Can you explain why that you can see an image of the ISS using binoculars or with the naked eye as Bodkin and
Michael Moroney have stated. It is OK to say that you made a mistake since science is based on people's mistakes. People are not perfect and we certainly would like to get this matter cleared up since I am a coward and need a lesson from all of you so that I can be closer to the Goodyear Blimp. Cheer mates. Also, one last thing how could the ISS be propagating around the earth at Mach 25 since the chances of hitting something increases with the velocity and aren't most communication satellites hovering over a single point above the earth yet the ISS is propagating at Mach 25. Odd there love. I guess the ISS crew could not fix a satellite?

https://tubitv.com/movies/497272/hands-of-stone?start=true&utm_source=google-feed&tracking=google-feed

https://www.willgaterastrophotography.com/satellites/1lo5sz3wmqjimhx2hc3lg1su8jytpz

He photographed his picture at 9:00 at night on Dec 20

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https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/671897-iss-2019-08-06-edge-hd-8-zwo183mm/

He photographed his picture of the ISS in August at 8:00 pm.

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https://britastro.org/node/22235

Chris Hooker
Time of observation
21/05/2020 - 23:43 (11:40 pm)

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https://britastro.org/node/23155

Observer --- Chris Hooker
Time of observation
11/07/2020 - 03:15

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https://britastro.org/node/21396

Observer
Steve Knight
Time of observation
31/03/2020 - 20:47 (12:44 PM)

Someone hear is not telling the truth-------------------Smashing

On 1/28/2022 6:20 PM, carl eto wrote:
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:53:26 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 1/28/2022 3:20 PM, carl eto wrote:
>>
>>> What is illuminating the ISS?
>> Its headlights. It needs headlights so the driver can see, and avoid
>> hitting, space debris
>
>
> Going Mach 24 what would they do? Power up shields?

It's a joke, fool. Ask a silly question with an obvious answer, expect
a silly answer.
>
> https://reelgood.com/tv/genre/science-fiction/on-hbo_max
>
> Turn on the science fiction channel and use time-space to activate the forward shield or the cloaking device. Beam me up Michael Moroney we have a present danger.

Apparently that joke went right over your head at Mach 24.

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 11:09:39 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 1/28/2022 6:20 PM, carl eto wrote:
> > On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:53:26 PM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> >> On 1/28/2022 3:20 PM, carl eto wrote:
> >>
> >>> What is illuminating the ISS?
> >> Its headlights. It needs headlights so the driver can see, and avoid
> >> hitting, space debris
> >
> >
> > Going Mach 24 what would they do? Power up shields?
>
> It's a joke, fool. Ask a silly question with an obvious answer, expect
> a silly answer.
> >
> > https://reelgood.com/tv/genre/science-fiction/on-hbo_max
> >
> > Turn on the science fiction channel and use time-space to activate the forward shield or the cloaking device. Beam me up Michael Moroney we have a present danger.
>
> Apparently that joke went right over your head at Mach 24.

Let assume the position of the earth during sunrise where the ISS can be viewed is approximately 50 miles. The 50 mile approximation is used since the ISS must be over head (to minimize the distance between the observer and the ISS). The earth's daily motion is 1,000 mph. The ISS velocity is 17,500 mph which forms a total velocity of approximately 20,000 mph. As the ISS transverse the distance of 50 miles where the person could view the ISS, the time period of the viewing is estimated at.

20,000 mile/ hr x 1/30 mile = 200/ hr or .001 hr or 3 seconds.

You have about 3 seconds for a 50 mile lateral range to view the ISS.

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On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 5:50:49 PM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 1:45:04 PM UTC-8, carl eto wrote:
>
> > Have you seen photos of the ISS taken from the earth?
> Have you ever looked for them? They are easy to find...
>
> https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2006/06/The_ISS_can_be_photographed_from_Earth_-_a_team_in_Munich_captured_this_detailed_image_on_12_June_2006
>
> https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5fb7b693ca6aaa8fd28d620bf0c31f52.webp
>
> https://filmdaily.co/news/international-space-station-viewing/
>
> https://www.pinterest.com/cottonscience/iss-photographed-from-earth/
>
> https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/astrophotography-international-space-station-pic-in-front-of-moon-535437.html
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https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2006/06/The_ISS_can_be_photographed_from_Earth_-

Central European Summer Time (GMT + 2:00) is 1:30 am in the morning.

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The other images do not give a time.

http://www.astrokraai.nl/viewimages.php?id=155&cd=9

..57 UTC is is 5:00 pm yet sunset on April 19 is 8:00 pm

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http://www.astrokraai.nl/viewimages.php?id=90&cd=9

17;30 UTC is 9:30 pm yet the sunset on April 18 is 8:00 pm

tps://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/astrophotography-international-space-station-pic-in-front-of-moon-535437.html
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2006/06/The_ISS_can_be_photographed_from_Earth_-_a_team_in_Munich_captured_this_detailed_image_on_12_June_2006
>
> Central European Summer Time (GMT + 2:00) is 1:30 am in the morning. This is from the European space agency ESA
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\
>

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:58:21 PM UTC-8, thor stoneman wrote:
> tps://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/astrophotography-international-space-station-pic-in-front-of-moon-535437.html
> > ___________________________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2006/06/The_ISS_can_be_photographed_from_Earth_-_a_team_in_Munich_captured_this_detailed_image_on_12_June_2006
> >
> > Central European Summer Time (GMT + 2:00) is 1:30 am in the morning. This is from the European space agency ESA
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\
> >

No, this picture was not taken at 1:30 in the morning. The timestamp for maximum altitude was as follows...

"Maximum altitude 03:00:07 52° 348° (NNW) 442"

.... which was 3 in the morning... about 2 hours before sunrise, well within the ISS window from Germany...

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2850699?month=6&year=2006

On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 3:19:09 PM UTC-8, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Sunday, January 30, 2022 at 2:58:21 PM UTC-8, thor stoneman wrote:
> > tps://www.indiatimes.com/technology/news/astrophotography-international-space-station-pic-in-front-of-moon-535437.html
> > > ___________________________________________________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2006/06/The_ISS_can_be_photographed_from_Earth_-_a_team_in_Munich_captured_this_detailed_image_on_12_June_2006
> > >
> > > Central European Summer Time (GMT + 2:00) is 1:30 am in the morning. This is from the European space agency ESA
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\
> > >
> No, this picture was not taken at 1:30 in the morning. The timestamp for maximum altitude was as follows...
>
> "Maximum altitude 03:00:07 52° 348° (NNW) 442"
>
> ... which was 3 in the morning... about 2 hours before sunrise, well within the ISS window from Germany...
>
> https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2850699?month=6&year=2006

The ISS cannot be viewed at night since the shadow of the earth would prevent light from contacting the ISS surface to illuminate the ISS since the height of the ISS is 250 miles which light interaction is required in the viewing of the ISS from the surface of the earth. It is not physical possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.

On 1/31/2022 12:47 PM, thor stoneman wrote:

> The ISS cannot be viewed at night since the shadow of the earth would prevent light from contacting the ISS surface to illuminate the ISS since the height of the ISS is 250 miles which light interaction is required in the viewing of the ISS from the surface of the earth. It is not physical possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.

I have seen it, so you're clearly wrong.

At 250 miles, it's possible near sunrise/sunset for a portion of the
earth to be in darkness while a point 250 miles above it is still in
sunlight. Try it on a globe and a light and small object near the globe
at the terminator.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 10:21:30 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 1/31/2022 12:47 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>
> > The ISS cannot be viewed at night since the shadow of the earth would prevent light from contacting the ISS surface to illuminate the ISS since the height of the ISS is 250 miles which light interaction is required in the viewing of the ISS from the surface of the earth. It is not physical possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
> I have seen it, so you're clearly wrong.
>
> At 250 miles, it's possible near sunrise/sunset for a portion of the
> earth to be in darkness while a point 250 miles above it is still in
> sunlight. Try it on a globe and a light and small object near the globe
> at the terminator.

Light reflected by the earth's atmosphere near sunrise/sunset and the dim lighting would prevent the viewing of the ISS. Also, the effect of sunrise/sunset only occurs on the surface of the earth cause by the curvature of the earth; consequently, the ISS would be affect by the shadow of the earth which would prevent the viewing or photographing of the ISS at night.

On 1/31/2022 1:53 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 10:21:30 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote:
>> On 1/31/2022 12:47 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>>
>>> The ISS cannot be viewed at night since the shadow of the earth would prevent light from contacting the ISS surface to illuminate the ISS since the height of the ISS is 250 miles which light interaction is required in the viewing of the ISS from the surface of the earth. It is not physical possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.
>> I have seen it, so you're clearly wrong.
>>
>> At 250 miles, it's possible near sunrise/sunset for a portion of the
>> earth to be in darkness while a point 250 miles above it is still in
>> sunlight. Try it on a globe and a light and small object near the globe
>> at the terminator.
>
> Light reflected by the earth's atmosphere near sunrise/sunset and the dim lighting would prevent the viewing of the ISS. Also, the effect of sunrise/sunset only occurs on the surface of the earth cause by the curvature of the earth; consequently, the ISS would be affect by the shadow of the earth which would prevent the viewing or photographing of the ISS at night.

Yet I have seen it, so you need to figure out where you went wrong.
Remember, if an observation contradicts a belief/hypothesis/theory, it
is the belief/hypothesis/theory which is wrong, not the actual fact of
the observation. And you don't have to take my word for it, many others
have seen or photographed it.

I may agree if it orbited just above ground level, but you yourself said
it's 250 miles up. Where's your math which calculates the time between
when the sun sets on earth in the evening and when the ISS, 250 miles
directly overhead, passes into Earth's shadow?

> Yet I have seen it, so you need to figure out where you went wrong.

The physics says that it is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth. Maybe you saw something else since you did not see the outline of the ISS. You have stated in a past post that you only saw a small dot of light which could be plane or a helicopter or maybe fireworks or a shooting star since your observation are weak and the photographs at night (12:00 pm) of the ISS prove that the ISS photographs and possibility the ISS are fictional. Also, if the ISS is past the shadow then the earth's atmosphere would prevent the viewing of the ISS at sunrise/sunset.

On 1/31/2022 2:40 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>
>> Yet I have seen it, so you need to figure out where you went wrong.
>
> The physics says that it is not physically possible to view the ISS from the surface of the earth.

You didn't show the physics says it's impossible. Where are your
calculations?

Keep it simple if you want. Observer is on the equator, ISS directly
overhead 250 miles up and stationary, earth is a perfectly smooth
sphere, ignore atmosphere (at least at first). How long between local
sunset and when the ISS 250 miles up, passes into the earth's shadow?

> Maybe you saw something else since you did not see the outline of the ISS.

You didn't address all the other people who saw it or even photographed it.

> You have stated in a past post that you only saw a small dot of light which could be plane or a helicopter or maybe fireworks or a shooting star

It didn't behave or look like any of those.

> since your observation are weak

My eyes are fine. I just didn't have a telescope. Easy to see, quite bright.

> and the photographs at night (12:00 pm) of the ISS prove that the ISS photographs and possibility the ISS are fictional.

It probably isn't photographable easily at the time but a good telescope
might do it. It could easily be photographed during the period between
sunset and passing into the shadow of the earth.

Now that I think of it, I think it did see it do that. It was passing
smoothly across the sky and suddenly it was gone, before reaching the
horizon.

> Also, if the ISS is past the shadow then the earth's atmosphere would prevent the viewing of the ISS at sunrise/sunset.

I obviously saw it BEFORE it passed into the shadow.

Op 31-jan.-2022 om 21:14 schreef Michael Moroney:
> On 1/31/2022 2:40 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>>
>>> Yet I have seen it, so you need to figure out where you went wrong.
>>
>> The physics says that it is not physically possible to view the ISS
>> from the surface of the earth.
>
> You didn't show the physics says it's impossible.  Where are your
> calculations?
>
> Keep it simple if you want. Observer is on the equator, ISS directly
> overhead 250 miles up and stationary, earth is a perfectly smooth
> sphere, ignore atmosphere (at least at first). How long between local
> sunset and when the ISS 250 miles up, passes into the earth's shadow?
>
>> Maybe you saw something else since you did not see the outline of the
>> ISS.
>
> You didn't address all the other people who saw it or even photographed it.
>
>> You have stated in a past post that you only saw a small dot of light
>> which could be plane or a helicopter or maybe fireworks or a shooting
>> star
>
> It didn't behave or look like any of those.
>
>> since your observation are weak
>
> My eyes are fine. I just didn't have a telescope. Easy to see, quite
> bright.
>
>> and the photographs at night (12:00 pm) of the ISS prove that the ISS
>> photographs and possibility the ISS are fictional.
>
> It probably isn't photographable easily at the time but a good telescope
> might do it. It could easily be photographed during the period between
> sunset and passing into the shadow of the earth.
>
> Now that I think of it, I think it did see it do that. It was passing
> smoothly across the sky and suddenly it was gone, before reaching the
> horizon.
>
>> Also, if the ISS is past the shadow then the earth's atmosphere would
>> prevent the viewing of the ISS at sunrise/sunset.
>
> I obviously saw it BEFORE it passed into the shadow.

You could just as well try to deconvince a flat-earther.

Dirk Vdm

Op 31-jan.-2022 om 21:56 schreef Dirk Van de moortel:
> Op 31-jan.-2022 om 21:14 schreef Michael Moroney:
>> On 1/31/2022 2:40 PM, thor stoneman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yet I have seen it, so you need to figure out where you went wrong.
>>>
>>> The physics says that it is not physically possible to view the ISS
>>> from the surface of the earth.
>>
>> You didn't show the physics says it's impossible.  Where are your
>> calculations?
>>
>> Keep it simple if you want. Observer is on the equator, ISS directly
>> overhead 250 miles up and stationary, earth is a perfectly smooth
>> sphere, ignore atmosphere (at least at first). How long between local
>> sunset and when the ISS 250 miles up, passes into the earth's shadow?
>>
>>> Maybe you saw something else since you did not see the outline of the
>>> ISS.
>>
>> You didn't address all the other people who saw it or even
>> photographed it.
>>
>>> You have stated in a past post that you only saw a small dot of light
>>> which could be plane or a helicopter or maybe fireworks or a shooting
>>> star
>>
>> It didn't behave or look like any of those.
>>
>>> since your observation are weak
>>
>> My eyes are fine. I just didn't have a telescope. Easy to see, quite
>> bright.
>>
>>> and the photographs at night (12:00 pm) of the ISS prove that the ISS
>>> photographs and possibility the ISS are fictional.
>>
>> It probably isn't photographable easily at the time but a good
>> telescope might do it. It could easily be photographed during the
>> period between sunset and passing into the shadow of the earth.
>>
>> Now that I think of it, I think it did see it do that. It was passing
>> smoothly across the sky and suddenly it was gone, before reaching the
>> horizon.
>>
>>> Also, if the ISS is past the shadow then the earth's atmosphere would
>>> prevent the viewing of the ISS at sunrise/sunset.
>>
>> I obviously saw it BEFORE it passed into the shadow.
>
> You could just as well try to deconvince a flat-earther.

Or a trumpie.

Dirk Vdm