On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 17:27:01 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/7/2022 5:09 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 12:55:40 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:24:55 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:02:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/7/2022 1:04 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:53:43 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/7/2022 12:27 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:13:43 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/7/2022 9:45 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 2:25:35 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 06:24:58 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah even a solid rod stretches theoretically.
>>>>>>>>> Well, not just theoretically. Any stress causes some deformation.
>>>>>>>>>> You know what tension forces are exerted on a shift cable?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lou
>>>>>>>>>>> Solid rod stretching? Yes, in fact that is how tensile strength of
>>>>>>>>>>> metal is measured. A specific diameter "rod" of the material is
>>>>>>>>>>> "stretched" and the load at which it which starts to elongate it and
>>>>>>>>>>> the load at which it is pulls apart is recorded (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As usual you can't wait to look the stupid ass you are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8U4G5kcpcM
>>>>>>>>> ???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom, you just posted a link to a video that confirms what John said,
>>>>>>>>> just with more detail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What part of that did you not understand?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps you should stop showing that as a mechanical engineering teacher that you don't understand the basics. Measuring the strength of a material is NOT measuring the strength of a rod. To know the strength of a rod you use the published strength of a material and the SIZE of a rod. You do not test a rod for its particular strength.
>>>>>>> As you often do, you seem to be arguing against what you pretend someone
>>>>>>> said (or perhaps wish they said) as opposed to what they actually said.
>>>>>>> Nothing John said should have caused confusion. But if you have honest
>>>>>>> questions about tensile strength or tensile testing, please ask away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, how's your quest for "non-stretch" cables coming? Does your
>>>>>>> universe contain metal that exhibits no elongation when subjected to
>>>>>>> tensile forces? Does Hooke's Law apply in your universe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as usual you do not want the truth published, you only want to argue that I'm wrong when what I said was 100% correct and what Dipwawd said was utter garbage. As I said and as John improperly said, you do NOT measure the strength of a rod by measuring that rod.
>>>>> That's not what John said. Why won't your wife help you with reading
>>>>> comprehension? Doesn't she like you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, if you have real questions about material testing, just ask.
>>>>> Otherwise, you'll look less foolish if you just shut up.
>>>> Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John. His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land. John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
>>>>
>>>> When people are saying that inner cables don't stretch, why haven't you corrected them? A stress test of that cable would show ZERO stress for a certain added pressure since the cable does wind up. But you have ignored that because the actual breaking force is too small for that wind-up to have any effect. Maybe you should have your wife remind you that you once trained as an engineer and being precise is the sign of an engineer.
>>>>
>>>> So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
>>>
>>> For the record in reply to sms post what I tried to say was that the forces on a shifter cable is so small that the strech or wind up is irrelevant. That is the reason we can use the shifter outer cables as they are. Again ‘cable stretch’ is a sloppy installating which can easily be prevented.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> Well, I published some actual "stretch" numbers taken from cable
>> manufacturer's published figures and YES a cable, the size of the
>> Shimano shift cables does stretch. An amazing 0.003 of 1 inch at a 1
>> pound load!
>>
>> Somewhat less then the diameter of a human hair (:-)
>>
>
>That's roughly the thickness of standard office paper.
>Immaterial to bicycle function although, yes, not zero.

Exactly (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:27:05 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/7/2022 5:09 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 12:55:40 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman
> > <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:24:55 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:02:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 2/7/2022 1:04 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:53:43 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/7/2022 12:27 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:13:43 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2/7/2022 9:45 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 2:25:35 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 06:24:58 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah even a solid rod stretches theoretically.
> >>>>>>>> Well, not just theoretically. Any stress causes some deformation..
> >>>>>>>>> You know what tension forces are exerted on a shift cable?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Lou
> >>>>>>>>>> Solid rod stretching? Yes, in fact that is how tensile strength of
> >>>>>>>>>> metal is measured. A specific diameter "rod" of the material is
> >>>>>>>>>> "stretched" and the load at which it which starts to elongate it and
> >>>>>>>>>> the load at which it is pulls apart is recorded (:-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As usual you can't wait to look the stupid ass you are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8U4G5kcpcM
> >>>>>>>> ???
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tom, you just posted a link to a video that confirms what John said,
> >>>>>>>> just with more detail.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What part of that did you not understand?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Perhaps you should stop showing that as a mechanical engineering teacher that you don't understand the basics. Measuring the strength of a material is NOT measuring the strength of a rod. To know the strength of a rod you use the published strength of a material and the SIZE of a rod. You do not test a rod for its particular strength.
> >>>>>> As you often do, you seem to be arguing against what you pretend someone
> >>>>>> said (or perhaps wish they said) as opposed to what they actually said.
> >>>>>> Nothing John said should have caused confusion. But if you have honest
> >>>>>> questions about tensile strength or tensile testing, please ask away.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BTW, how's your quest for "non-stretch" cables coming? Does your
> >>>>>> universe contain metal that exhibits no elongation when subjected to
> >>>>>> tensile forces? Does Hooke's Law apply in your universe?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And as usual you do not want the truth published, you only want to argue that I'm wrong when what I said was 100% correct and what Dipwawd said was utter garbage. As I said and as John improperly said, you do NOT measure the strength of a rod by measuring that rod.
> >>>> That's not what John said. Why won't your wife help you with reading
> >>>> comprehension? Doesn't she like you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Again, if you have real questions about material testing, just ask.
> >>>> Otherwise, you'll look less foolish if you just shut up.
> >>> Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John. His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land. John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
> >>>
> >>> Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
> >>>
> >>> When people are saying that inner cables don't stretch, why haven't you corrected them? A stress test of that cable would show ZERO stress for a certain added pressure since the cable does wind up. But you have ignored that because the actual breaking force is too small for that wind-up to have any effect. Maybe you should have your wife remind you that you once trained as an engineer and being precise is the sign of an engineer.
> >>>
> >>> So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
> >>
> >> For the record in reply to sms post what I tried to say was that the forces on a shifter cable is so small that the strech or wind up is irrelevant. That is the reason we can use the shifter outer cables as they are. Again ‘cable stretch’ is a sloppy installating which can easily be prevented.
> >>
> >> Lou
> >
> > Well, I published some actual "stretch" numbers taken from cable
> > manufacturer's published figures and YES a cable, the size of the
> > Shimano shift cables does stretch. An amazing 0.003 of 1 inch at a 1
> > pound load!
> >
> > Somewhat less then the diameter of a human hair (:-)
> >
> That's roughly the thickness of standard office paper.
> Immaterial to bicycle function although, yes, not zero.
> --

And by no means any incentive for campagnolo to create "special non-stretch cables"

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 1:43:14 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:17:16 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:55:42 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:24:55 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 12:02:15 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > On 2/7/2022 1:04 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:53:43 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2/7/2022 12:27 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 9:13:43 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On 2/7/2022 9:45 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 2:25:35 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 06:24:58 -0800 (PST), Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Yeah even a solid rod stretches theoretically.
> > > > > >>>> Well, not just theoretically. Any stress causes some deformation.
> > > > > >>>>> You know what tension forces are exerted on a shift cable?
> > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>>> Lou
> > > > > >>>>>> Solid rod stretching? Yes, in fact that is how tensile strength of
> > > > > >>>>>> metal is measured. A specific diameter "rod" of the material is
> > > > > >>>>>> "stretched" and the load at which it which starts to elongate it and
> > > > > >>>>>> the load at which it is pulls apart is recorded (:-)
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> As usual you can't wait to look the stupid ass you are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8U4G5kcpcM
> > > > > >>>> ???
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Tom, you just posted a link to a video that confirms what John said,
> > > > > >>>> just with more detail.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> What part of that did you not understand?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Perhaps you should stop showing that as a mechanical engineering teacher that you don't understand the basics. Measuring the strength of a material is NOT measuring the strength of a rod. To know the strength of a rod you use the published strength of a material and the SIZE of a rod. You do not test a rod for its particular strength.
> > > > > >> As you often do, you seem to be arguing against what you pretend someone
> > > > > >> said (or perhaps wish they said) as opposed to what they actually said.
> > > > > >> Nothing John said should have caused confusion. But if you have honest
> > > > > >> questions about tensile strength or tensile testing, please ask away.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> BTW, how's your quest for "non-stretch" cables coming? Does your
> > > > > >> universe contain metal that exhibits no elongation when subjected to
> > > > > >> tensile forces? Does Hooke's Law apply in your universe?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And as usual you do not want the truth published, you only want to argue that I'm wrong when what I said was 100% correct and what Dipwawd said was utter garbage. As I said and as John improperly said, you do NOT measure the strength of a rod by measuring that rod.
> > > > > That's not what John said. Why won't your wife help you with reading
> > > > > comprehension? Doesn't she like you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, if you have real questions about material testing, just ask.
> > > > > Otherwise, you'll look less foolish if you just shut up.
> > > > Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John. His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land. John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
> > > >
> > > > Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
> > > >
> > > > When people are saying that inner cables don't stretch, why haven't you corrected them? A stress test of that cable would show ZERO stress for a certain added pressure since the cable does wind up. But you have ignored that because the actual breaking force is too small for that wind-up to have any effect. Maybe you should have your wife remind you that you once trained as an engineer and being precise is the sign of an engineer.
> > > >
> > > > So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
> > > For the record in reply to sms post what I tried to say was that the forces on a shifter cable is so small that the strech or wind up is irrelevant. That is the reason we can use the shifter outer cables as they are. Again ‘cable stretch’ is a sloppy installating which can easily be prevented.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > I completely agree with you but it is there on a clean setup too. As I pointed out, I set up the rear derailleur as tight as possible and the rear derailleur would not move up from the small cog, to the next one. So using a 4th hand I could tighten the inner cable enough to operate normally quite easily. Shifter cables for front and rear derailleurs always have sufficient wind-up to make it difficult to allow them to work. A pro mechanic will set the derailleur limits by eye and then pull the inner cables tight with a pair of pliers. Then they use the adjusters to make them work. As a normal mechanic, I set the cable tension properly using a 4th hand and get them to work properly and THEN set the limit screws because you have to have a lot of room to work. I'm working in my garage with a car sharing the space. I can't stand back far enough to set limits by eye. This also goes for the rotation of many bikes that don't use braze-on derailleurs but rather adapter or circular clamp front derailleurs. I now have a system worked out to adjust the derailleurs so that they are now silent over the entire range.
> You can tighten the cable as much as you like with pliers or forth hand but after you thighten the bolt it is only the derailleur spring that tensions the cable. You only tension the cable with pliers as much as possible to avoid running out of adjustment range.

I don't quite follow what you mean Lou. When you adjust the limits of the derailleurs, you are not adjusting the spring tension on them. This means that no matter how you pull the cable tight with a pair of pliers there is always a bit of play at the bottom end of derailleurs. A 4th hand can pull tension onto the cable and spring assembly.

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John.

not "might have", but 'did'. BTW, you're the only one. Every one else knew exactly what he was referring to, and knew it to be correct.

> His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land.

It's better than yours

> John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.

Reading comprehension sparky - John made a tangential comment. The only person that misinterpreted it was you.

> Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.

Now Tommy will amaze us all by explaining now the diameter of a rod is _not_ related to its cross section.
Oh, by the way, ASTM E8 stipulates the relationship of the length of the test section to the diameter of the test section of 4:1.

So, considering the cross section of a cylinder perpendicular to the axis is πR^2 (and remember tommy, R is .5D)
And
ASTM stipulates the relationship of L to D as 4:1
It seems the diameter of the test specimen is _hardly_ irrelevant.
This is stuff you would have learned in school if you has stayed in school.

>
> So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?

No one is afraid of you and your big mouth. Shut the fuck up.

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:44:58 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John.
> not "might have", but 'did'. BTW, you're the only one. Every one else knew exactly what he was referring to, and knew it to be correct.
> > His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land.
> It's better than yours
> > John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
> Reading comprehension sparky - John made a tangential comment. The only person that misinterpreted it was you.
> > Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
> Now Tommy will amaze us all by explaining now the diameter of a rod is _not_ related to its cross section.
> Oh, by the way, ASTM E8 stipulates the relationship of the length of the test section to the diameter of the test section of 4:1.
>
> So, considering the cross section of a cylinder perpendicular to the axis is πR^2 (and remember tommy, R is .5D)
> And
> ASTM stipulates the relationship of L to D as 4:1
> It seems the diameter of the test specimen is _hardly_ irrelevant.
> This is stuff you would have learned in school if you has stayed in school.
> >
> > So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
> No one is afraid of you and your big mouth. Shut the fuck up.
Since you have no fear, I am awaiting your appearance with vast unmitigated fear to show up and shut me up. Surely with such courage as yours you wouldn't be making idle threats now would you?

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:44:58 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John.
> not "might have", but 'did'. BTW, you're the only one. Every one else knew exactly what he was referring to, and knew it to be correct.
> > His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land.
> It's better than yours
> > John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
> Reading comprehension sparky - John made a tangential comment. The only person that misinterpreted it was you.
> > Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
> Now Tommy will amaze us all by explaining now the diameter of a rod is _not_ related to its cross section.
> Oh, by the way, ASTM E8 stipulates the relationship of the length of the test section to the diameter of the test section of 4:1.
>
> So, considering the cross section of a cylinder perpendicular to the axis is πR^2 (and remember tommy, R is .5D)
> And
> ASTM stipulates the relationship of L to D as 4:1
> It seems the diameter of the test specimen is _hardly_ irrelevant.
> This is stuff you would have learned in school if you has stayed in school.
> >
> > So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
> No one is afraid of you and your big mouth. Shut the fuck up.
By the way Flunky - obey your leader Biden and run down and get another booster.

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:38:59 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:44:58 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John.
> > not "might have", but 'did'. BTW, you're the only one. Every one else knew exactly what he was referring to, and knew it to be correct.
> > > His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land.
> > It's better than yours
> > > John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
> > Reading comprehension sparky - John made a tangential comment. The only person that misinterpreted it was you.
> > > Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
> > Now Tommy will amaze us all by explaining now the diameter of a rod is _not_ related to its cross section.
> > Oh, by the way, ASTM E8 stipulates the relationship of the length of the test section to the diameter of the test section of 4:1.
> >
> > So, considering the cross section of a cylinder perpendicular to the axis is πR^2 (and remember tommy, R is .5D)
> > And
> > ASTM stipulates the relationship of L to D as 4:1
> > It seems the diameter of the test specimen is _hardly_ irrelevant.
> > This is stuff you would have learned in school if you has stayed in school.
> > >
> > > So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
> > No one is afraid of you and your big mouth. Shut the fuck up.
>
> Since you have no fear, I am awaiting your appearance with vast unmitigated fear to show up and shut me up.

You aren't worth the effort. - simply an impotent half-witted dropout who's entire currency consists of qanon bullshit, ignorant technical "knowledge", and perverted historical interpretations.

> Surely with such courage as yours you wouldn't be making idle threats now would you?

where did I make a threat? That's your shtick sparky. You've threatened at least 4 people here with assault, and that's only in the past couple of years since I've been a member. And of course, you veer widely off topic, not even addressing your embarrassingly stupid assertions in an attempt to play a victim. You're getting what you deserve.

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:41:10 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:44:58 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John.
> > not "might have", but 'did'. BTW, you're the only one. Every one else knew exactly what he was referring to, and knew it to be correct.
> > > His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land.
> > It's better than yours
> > > John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
> > Reading comprehension sparky - John made a tangential comment. The only person that misinterpreted it was you.
> > > Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
> > Now Tommy will amaze us all by explaining now the diameter of a rod is _not_ related to its cross section.
> > Oh, by the way, ASTM E8 stipulates the relationship of the length of the test section to the diameter of the test section of 4:1.
> >
> > So, considering the cross section of a cylinder perpendicular to the axis is πR^2 (and remember tommy, R is .5D)
> > And
> > ASTM stipulates the relationship of L to D as 4:1
> > It seems the diameter of the test specimen is _hardly_ irrelevant.
> > This is stuff you would have learned in school if you has stayed in school.
> > >
> > > So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
> > No one is afraid of you and your big mouth. Shut the fuck up.
> By the way Flunky - obey your leader Biden and run down and get another booster.

By the way sparky, obey your leader and run down to get your covid vaccine

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540922-trump-tells-fans-to-get-vaccinated-during-cpac-address

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 8:31:44 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:41:10 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:44:58 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John.
> > > not "might have", but 'did'. BTW, you're the only one. Every one else knew exactly what he was referring to, and knew it to be correct.
> > > > His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land..
> > > It's better than yours
> > > > John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
> > > Reading comprehension sparky - John made a tangential comment. The only person that misinterpreted it was you.
> > > > Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
> > > Now Tommy will amaze us all by explaining now the diameter of a rod is _not_ related to its cross section.
> > > Oh, by the way, ASTM E8 stipulates the relationship of the length of the test section to the diameter of the test section of 4:1.
> > >
> > > So, considering the cross section of a cylinder perpendicular to the axis is πR^2 (and remember tommy, R is .5D)
> > > And
> > > ASTM stipulates the relationship of L to D as 4:1
> > > It seems the diameter of the test specimen is _hardly_ irrelevant.
> > > This is stuff you would have learned in school if you has stayed in school.
> > > >
> > > > So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
> > > No one is afraid of you and your big mouth. Shut the fuck up.
> > By the way Flunky - obey your leader Biden and run down and get another booster.
> By the way sparky, obey your leader and run down to get your covid vaccine
>
> https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540922-trump-tells-fans-to-get-vaccinated-during-cpac-address

That was 02/28/21 06:41 PM EST. Unlike you little mindless followers, Trump has the ability to learn. You're so stupid you have to find a posting from the time that vaccinations were first released and no one knew anything about them.

Go down and get your booster like a good little boy.

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 12:32:18 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> That was 02/28/21 06:41 PM EST. Unlike you little mindless followers, Trump has the ability to learn. You're so stupid you have to find a posting from the time that vaccinations were first released and no one knew anything about them.
>
> Go down and get your booster like a good little boy.

Gawd yer a moron. From december 23rd (that's 6 weeks ago if the math os too tough for you):
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-covid-vaccine-one-of-greatest-achievements-mankind-owens-interview-2021-12
"If you take the vaccine, you're protected. Look, the results of the vaccine are very good. And if you do get [COVID-19], it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take their vaccine," the former president said."

Now run down and get your vaccination like a good little donny-cult member.

Tell ya what sparky - provide one link from this year where trump says the vaccines don't work.
Or, shut the fuck up, it's pretty clear that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

On 2/8/2022 2:02 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:31:41 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By the way sparky, obey your leader and run down to get your covid vaccine
>> https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540922-trump-tells-fans-to-get-vaccinated-during-cpac-address
>
> Nice find. I missed that in the news. However, it might not be a
> genuine change of heart by Trump. In the year prior to the 2020
> election, the healthcare industry had already donated $1.4 million to
> Republican Trump and $3.6 million spread around various Democrat
> candidates, just in case Trump fails to get elected:
> "From Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders, here's how much every 2020
> presidential candidate has gotten from the healthcare industry"
> <https://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-donations-to-2020-presidential-candidates-2019-7>
> Well, despite throwing $1.4 million at Trump, he continued to promote
> an agenda that was hardly in the best interest of the healthcare
> industry. My guess(tm) is they don't want to make the same mistake
> twice. If Trump wants their money for the 2024 election, he will need
> to make some fundamental policy changes. Just follow the money.
>

shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138

https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324

Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all
through 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the
culmination of Mr Trump's Operation Warp Speed was just
_after_ the election. Odd timing, that.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/

But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever
be fully known.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:13:11 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 2:02 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:31:41 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> By the way sparky, obey your leader and run down to get your covid vaccine
> >> https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540922-trump-tells-fans-to-get-vaccinated-during-cpac-address
> >
> > Nice find. I missed that in the news. However, it might not be a
> > genuine change of heart by Trump. In the year prior to the 2020
> > election, the healthcare industry had already donated $1.4 million to
> > Republican Trump and $3.6 million spread around various Democrat
> > candidates, just in case Trump fails to get elected:
> > "From Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders, here's how much every 2020
> > presidential candidate has gotten from the healthcare industry"
> > <https://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-donations-to-2020-presidential-candidates-2019-7>
> > Well, despite throwing $1.4 million at Trump, he continued to promote
> > an agenda that was hardly in the best interest of the healthcare
> > industry. My guess(tm) is they don't want to make the same mistake
> > twice. If Trump wants their money for the 2024 election, he will need
> > to make some fundamental policy changes. Just follow the money.
> >
> shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':
>
> https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138
>
> https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324
>
> Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all
> through 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the
> culmination of Mr Trump's Operation Warp Speed was just
> _after_ the election. Odd timing, that.
>
> https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/
>
> But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever
> be fully known.

What Pfizer knew from the beginning was that vaccines can be very dangerous.. I am absolutely convinced that no doctor would have allowed someone of Biden's age from being vaccinated. I am convinced that since Harris was VP there was no way that the puppet masters were going to allow even the smallest possibility that Biden could be killed from a vaccine. So they didn't vaccinate him - they gave him Saline solution.

On 2/8/2022 4:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
>
> shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':
>
> https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138
>
> https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324
>
> Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all through
> 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the culmination of Mr Trump's
> Operation Warp Speed was just _after_ the election. Odd timing, that.
>
> https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/
>
>
> But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever be fully known.

You're underestimating the size of the Great Conspiracy! (Well, _this_
great conspiracy, anyway.) This totally fake virus is supposedly being
treated by something like a couple dozen vaccines across the globe.
Somehow, all those vaccine companies colluded into controlling over 150
governments around the world. They've convinced them _all_ to falsify
their medical records and death counts. They've even staged elaborate
mockups of patients being treated in temporary shelters because
hospitals were full. They purposely turned away patients in dire need of
other, non-virus care to maintain the charade that their facilities were
full. That's significant, because hospitals make a lot of money on
things like emergency cardiac treatment!

Heck, the conspirators even recruited some friends of mine! They must
have paid my one buddy a ton of money to pretend he was on a ventilator
so long that nobody thought he would survive. (His local newspaper had
him on the front page surrounded by his nurses when he left the
hospital.) Another friend was _supposedly_ laid up for a couple months
with this pretend virus, staying away from all our mutual friends. And a
right-wing friend of mine apparently pretended to get treated with
monoclonal antibodies when he pretended to get COVID after refusing to
be vaccinated. That all _had_ to be fake, because what kind of person
would refuse to get the vaccine because he didn't know what was in it,
then pretend it was OK to get antibodies that he knew nothing about?

A conspiracy this large cannot be fought. Just give in and get the
damned vaccine. The galactic alien overlords behind it will make
everything OK.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/8/2022 12:02 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:31:41 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By the way sparky, obey your leader and run down to get your covid vaccine
>> https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540922-trump-tells-fans-to-get-vaccinated-during-cpac-address
>
> Nice find. I missed that in the news. However, it might not be a
> genuine change of heart by Trump.

It's for a couple of reasons.

First of all, Trump has made a big deal about how fast the vaccines came
out and tried to claim credit for it even though Pfizer took none of the
government research and development money.

Second of all, there are some states where the election results are very
close and having your supporters not die of Covid is a matter of
self-interest.

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:59:32 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 4:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> >
> > shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':
> >
> > https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138
> >
> > https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324
> >
> > Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all through
> > 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the culmination of Mr Trump's
> > Operation Warp Speed was just _after_ the election. Odd timing, that.
> >
> > https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/
> >
> >
> > But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever be fully known.
> You're underestimating the size of the Great Conspiracy! (Well, _this_
> great conspiracy, anyway.) This totally fake virus is supposedly being
> treated by something like a couple dozen vaccines across the globe.
> Somehow, all those vaccine companies colluded into controlling over 150
> governments around the world. They've convinced them _all_ to falsify
> their medical records and death counts. They've even staged elaborate
> mockups of patients being treated in temporary shelters because
> hospitals were full. They purposely turned away patients in dire need of
> other, non-virus care to maintain the charade that their facilities were
> full. That's significant, because hospitals make a lot of money on
> things like emergency cardiac treatment!
>
> Heck, the conspirators even recruited some friends of mine! They must
> have paid my one buddy a ton of money to pretend he was on a ventilator
> so long that nobody thought he would survive. (His local newspaper had
> him on the front page surrounded by his nurses when he left the
> hospital.) Another friend was _supposedly_ laid up for a couple months
> with this pretend virus, staying away from all our mutual friends. And a
> right-wing friend of mine apparently pretended to get treated with
> monoclonal antibodies when he pretended to get COVID after refusing to
> be vaccinated. That all _had_ to be fake, because what kind of person
> would refuse to get the vaccine because he didn't know what was in it,
> then pretend it was OK to get antibodies that he knew nothing about?
>
> A conspiracy this large cannot be fought. Just give in and get the
> damned vaccine. The galactic alien overlords behind it will make
> everything OK.

Frank, you don't seem to have learned a single thing from the actions of the governments not only here, but in Great Britain, New Zealand, Canada and Australia. How easily they forgot human rights and how easily they slipped into tyranny. I showed you how only 7100 people above the 2015-2019 average actually died from an undefined respiratory illness which could just as well have been smoking crack or meth which has the same symptoms as a upper respiratory track disease. So exactly WHERE did this 900,000 extra deaths come from? Do you have the slightest understanding what sort of increase in deaths that was? 16%!!!

If you can accept that as being invisible could you also accept the fact that the mortuary business was losing money?

You have been perfectly willing to argue with me but you don't seem to give a damn that you've been made a fool of and the chickens are coming home to roost.

I get pissed at your stupid comments and yell at you but I don't believe you to be stupid. The question then is WHY are you acting stupid? Why when faced with all of the evidence do you react in an illogical manner? If this is only because you don't like me that isn't very smart is it? You are supposed to be able to look at the evidence and make decisions based on facts. Why would you believe comments from Fauci which a grade school kid could see are unbelievable?

Really, it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. 900,000 extra deaths would fill graveyards with funeral services, they would be on every road. I designed PCR automation and I told you that it wasn't NEVER designed for diagnosis and I even went so far as to show you Kary Mullis videos saying the same thing and echoing my opinion that Fauci was a moron. When I went around to hospitals during the HIV epidemic I was working indirectly for Fauci and listened to the crap he was spouting. So I know that he is a liar of the first water. Hell several years ago he claimed that the country should have locked down for another influenza.

This is the way that the NIH is supposed to work - they tell you what you should do. They do not ENFORCE it. That is unconstitutional and that is what has been happening for the last two years. What in the hell are county SUPERVISORS telling you that you must wear a mask or be arrested!

You should start asking yourself why you have been supporting a government that has trampled all over your constitutional rights for no reason whatsoever.

tOn Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:20:20 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:38:59 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:44:58 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John.
>> > not "might have", but 'did'. BTW, you're the only one. Every one else knew exactly what he was referring to, and knew it to be correct.
>> > > His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land.
>> > It's better than yours
>> > > John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
>> > Reading comprehension sparky - John made a tangential comment. The only person that misinterpreted it was you.
>> > > Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
>> > Now Tommy will amaze us all by explaining now the diameter of a rod is _not_ related to its cross section.
>> > Oh, by the way, ASTM E8 stipulates the relationship of the length of the test section to the diameter of the test section of 4:1.
>> >
>> > So, considering the cross section of a cylinder perpendicular to the axis is ?R^2 (and remember tommy, R is .5D)
>> > And
>> > ASTM stipulates the relationship of L to D as 4:1
>> > It seems the diameter of the test specimen is _hardly_ irrelevant.
>> > This is stuff you would have learned in school if you has stayed in school.
>> > >
>> > > So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
>> > No one is afraid of you and your big mouth. Shut the fuck up.
>>
>> Since you have no fear, I am awaiting your appearance with vast unmitigated fear to show up and shut me up.
>
>You aren't worth the effort. - simply an impotent half-witted dropout who's entire currency consists of qanon bullshit, ignorant technical "knowledge", and perverted historical interpretations.
>
> > Surely with such courage as yours you wouldn't be making idle threats now would you?
>
>where did I make a threat? That's your shtick sparky. You've threatened at least 4 people here with assault, and that's only in the past couple of years since I've been a member. And of course, you veer widely off topic, not even addressing your embarrassingly stupid assertions in an attempt to play a victim. You're getting what you deserve.
>
AND... with all his money a ticket on an airplane would be hardly
pocket change. So logic would have it that rather then insults and
threats old Tommy would be jetting around the country "sorting" y'all
out.

Or perhaps we have our very own Walter Mitty, right her on RBT?
https://tinyurl.com/4pvte5aw
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:09:05 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 12:02 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:31:41 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> By the way sparky, obey your leader and run down to get your covid vaccine
> >> https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540922-trump-tells-fans-to-get-vaccinated-during-cpac-address
> >
> > Nice find. I missed that in the news. However, it might not be a
> > genuine change of heart by Trump.
> It's for a couple of reasons.
>
> First of all, Trump has made a big deal about how fast the vaccines came
> out and tried to claim credit for it even though Pfizer took none of the
> government research and development money.
>
> Second of all, there are some states where the election results are very
> close and having your supporters not die of Covid is a matter of
> self-interest.

Now Scharf, I have no problem thinking that you have the mind of a 4 year old. Trump put the vaccines on the fast track and so HE DID help develop them you idiot. He had been led to believe by Fauci that this was a killer virus when it was nothing of the kind. If you're too stupid to know why Pfizer didn't take government money you're showing further proof that you're a dope. If any pharmaceutical company took government money they could not patent the vaccine.

I know PCR and you could find ANY virus on the fruit in a supermarket if you're willing to cycle a PCR enough times. As for covid-19 - they STILL HAVE NOT ISOLATED IT. Therefore by their own standards it does not exist. The numbers of excess deaths are not statistically relevant. Got that? This may simply be a chance happenstance.

Do you think that identical numbers of old age deaths occur every year? Are you aware that virtually all of the extra deaths occurred from circulatory diseases? If you take fentanyl it stops your heart! It is impossible to get heroin today that isn't cut with fentanyl. Biden's open borders now has such a large amount of drugs coming in (fentanyl is made in China) that they are available on almost every street corner. In the subways and on city buses. People that look like homeless are selling it everywhere. Probably 20% of the people in Los Gatos are addicted.

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 16:59:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/8/2022 4:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>>
>> shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':
>>
>> https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138
>>
>> https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324
>>
>> Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all through
>> 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the culmination of Mr Trump's
>> Operation Warp Speed was just _after_ the election. Odd timing, that.
>>
>> https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/
>>
>>
>> But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever be fully known.
>
>You're underestimating the size of the Great Conspiracy! (Well, _this_
>great conspiracy, anyway.) This totally fake virus is supposedly being
>treated by something like a couple dozen vaccines across the globe.
>Somehow, all those vaccine companies colluded into controlling over 150
>governments around the world. They've convinced them _all_ to falsify
>their medical records and death counts. They've even staged elaborate
>mockups of patients being treated in temporary shelters because
>hospitals were full. They purposely turned away patients in dire need of
>other, non-virus care to maintain the charade that their facilities were
>full. That's significant, because hospitals make a lot of money on
>things like emergency cardiac treatment!
>
>Heck, the conspirators even recruited some friends of mine! They must
>have paid my one buddy a ton of money to pretend he was on a ventilator
>so long that nobody thought he would survive. (His local newspaper had
>him on the front page surrounded by his nurses when he left the
>hospital.) Another friend was _supposedly_ laid up for a couple months
>with this pretend virus, staying away from all our mutual friends. And a
>right-wing friend of mine apparently pretended to get treated with
>monoclonal antibodies when he pretended to get COVID after refusing to
>be vaccinated. That all _had_ to be fake, because what kind of person
>would refuse to get the vaccine because he didn't know what was in it,
>then pretend it was OK to get antibodies that he knew nothing about?
>
>A conspiracy this large cannot be fought. Just give in and get the
>damned vaccine. The galactic alien overlords behind it will make
>everything OK.

And almost 1/4 of the U.S. population has caught the disease and
nearly a million have died of it - actual numbers are 23.47% and
930,760 deaths.

In contrast the total deaths in combat in all the wars the U.S. has
fought from 1775 until 2019 amount to 666,441.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 14:33:28 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:59:32 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/8/2022 4:13 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':
>> >
>> > https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138
>> >
>> > https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324
>> >
>> > Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all through
>> > 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the culmination of Mr Trump's
>> > Operation Warp Speed was just _after_ the election. Odd timing, that.
>> >
>> > https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/
>> >
>> >
>> > But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever be fully known.
>> You're underestimating the size of the Great Conspiracy! (Well, _this_
>> great conspiracy, anyway.) This totally fake virus is supposedly being
>> treated by something like a couple dozen vaccines across the globe.
>> Somehow, all those vaccine companies colluded into controlling over 150
>> governments around the world. They've convinced them _all_ to falsify
>> their medical records and death counts. They've even staged elaborate
>> mockups of patients being treated in temporary shelters because
>> hospitals were full. They purposely turned away patients in dire need of
>> other, non-virus care to maintain the charade that their facilities were
>> full. That's significant, because hospitals make a lot of money on
>> things like emergency cardiac treatment!
>>
>> Heck, the conspirators even recruited some friends of mine! They must
>> have paid my one buddy a ton of money to pretend he was on a ventilator
>> so long that nobody thought he would survive. (His local newspaper had
>> him on the front page surrounded by his nurses when he left the
>> hospital.) Another friend was _supposedly_ laid up for a couple months
>> with this pretend virus, staying away from all our mutual friends. And a
>> right-wing friend of mine apparently pretended to get treated with
>> monoclonal antibodies when he pretended to get COVID after refusing to
>> be vaccinated. That all _had_ to be fake, because what kind of person
>> would refuse to get the vaccine because he didn't know what was in it,
>> then pretend it was OK to get antibodies that he knew nothing about?
>>
>> A conspiracy this large cannot be fought. Just give in and get the
>> damned vaccine. The galactic alien overlords behind it will make
>> everything OK.
>
>Frank, you don't seem to have learned a single thing from the actions of the governments not only here, but in Great Britain, New Zealand, Canada and Australia. How easily they forgot human rights and how easily they slipped into tyranny. I showed you how only 7100 people above the 2015-2019 average actually died from an undefined respiratory illness which could just as well have been smoking crack or meth which has the same symptoms as a upper respiratory track disease. So exactly WHERE did this 900,000 extra deaths come from? Do you have the slightest understanding what sort of increase in deaths that was? 16%!!!

Well Tommy, it came from the CDC.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
At the top of the page, "United States at a glance:
As of February 8, 2022 1:02 PM ET
Total cases: 76,782,002
Total Deaths: 903,038

>If you can accept that as being invisible could you also accept the fact that the mortuary business was losing money?

Well, right there on the printed page? Invisible? What does the Good
Book say? None so blind as those that refuse to see?

I might also point out that the number of Covid deaths reported by the
CDC is, currently, about 40% more then the total of all the combat
deaths in all the wars that the U.S. has fought from 1775 to 2019.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/8/2022 5:49 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> Trump put the vaccines on the fast track and so HE DID help develop them you idiot.

In related news, Al Gore DID invent the internet! :-)

I'm joking, of course. As with the "Swift Boating" of Kerry, that was a
fabrication by Gore's opponents.
See https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/internet-of-lies/ )

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/8/2022 5:39 PM, John B. wrote:
> tOn Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:20:20 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:38:59 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:44:58 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking back I can see how I might have misunderstood that really smart John.
>>>> not "might have", but 'did'. BTW, you're the only one. Every one else knew exactly what he was referring to, and knew it to be correct.
>>>>> His English is a little rusty after so many years in a foreign land.
>>>> It's better than yours
>>>>> John did not answer Lou's comment but made one that could have been misinterpreted as meaning that you actually stretched specific diameters of rod (or cable) to measure their tensile strength direct.
>>>> Reading comprehension sparky - John made a tangential comment. The only person that misinterpreted it was you.
>>>>> Of course the specific diameter of the test piece is irrelevant since the only thing necessary to know is it's cross section and it's stress test. This ONLY gives the strength of a specific material.
>>>> Now Tommy will amaze us all by explaining now the diameter of a rod is _not_ related to its cross section.
>>>> Oh, by the way, ASTM E8 stipulates the relationship of the length of the test section to the diameter of the test section of 4:1.
>>>>
>>>> So, considering the cross section of a cylinder perpendicular to the axis is ?R^2 (and remember tommy, R is .5D)
>>>> And
>>>> ASTM stipulates the relationship of L to D as 4:1
>>>> It seems the diameter of the test specimen is _hardly_ irrelevant.
>>>> This is stuff you would have learned in school if you has stayed in school.
>>>>>
>>>>> So now you're the courageous one like Flunky. Why don't you make me shut up you brave, courageous man?
>>>> No one is afraid of you and your big mouth. Shut the fuck up.
>>>
>>> Since you have no fear, I am awaiting your appearance with vast unmitigated fear to show up and shut me up.
>>
>> You aren't worth the effort. - simply an impotent half-witted dropout who's entire currency consists of qanon bullshit, ignorant technical "knowledge", and perverted historical interpretations.
>>
>>> Surely with such courage as yours you wouldn't be making idle threats now would you?
>>
>> where did I make a threat? That's your shtick sparky. You've threatened at least 4 people here with assault, and that's only in the past couple of years since I've been a member. And of course, you veer widely off topic, not even addressing your embarrassingly stupid assertions in an attempt to play a victim. You're getting what you deserve.
>>
> AND... with all his money a ticket on an airplane would be hardly
> pocket change. So logic would have it that rather then insults and
> threats old Tommy would be jetting around the country "sorting" y'all
> out.
>
> Or perhaps we have our very own Walter Mitty, right her on RBT?
> https://tinyurl.com/4pvte5aw

I do think that's part of Tom's psyche. He seems to have a very rich
fantasy life.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 20:21:17 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 15:13:05 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>(chomp)
>
>>shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':
>>https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138
>
>Yep. In 2020, Pfizer gave 61% of its contributions to the Democrats
>and 39% to the Republicans.
><https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/totals?id=D000000138>
>Note the red/blue bar graph near the top of the page. Note that
>Pfizer gave more or equal amounts to the Republicans in almost every
>election except 2020. So, what changed in 2020? Perhaps Pfizer
>didn't trust Trump?
>
>>https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324
>
>>Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all
>>through 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the
>>culmination of Mr Trump's Operation Warp Speed was just
>>_after_ the election. Odd timing, that.
>>
>>https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/
>>
>>But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever
>>be fully known.
>
>Agreed. Maybe we'll get some amazing revelations after everyone
>involved is dead and buried.
>
>What bothered me about 2020 was not the widespread corruption and
>general lack of ethics by all involved. That's normal and business as
>usual in most countries, including the USA. For example, here's a
>video on the Hayes/Tilden election of 1876. It reads like a template
>for the 2020 election:
>"Your Fraudulency: The 1876 election"
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OihYWKuozOE>
>However, there's one big difference. After the election results were
>tabulated and the deals, compromises, and bribes were crafted,
>everything went back to business as usual. There were no riots or
>sore losers. This is what the parliamentary system calls the "loyal
>opposition", where the loser is expected to remain loyal to the
>government of the country after the election. That didn't happen in
>2020 and that bothers me.

I suspect that a great deal of it is a result of the, what appears to
be, an overwhelming arrogance on the part of the yellow gnome.

What other U.S. President has said, in public, that he can "stand on
New York’s Fifth Avenue “and shoot somebody” and still not lose
voters" or that "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can
do anything.”

And even more appalling, a great many people applaud him.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 8:25:26 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 14:33:28 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Frank, you don't seem to have learned a single thing from the actions of the governments not only here, but in Great Britain, New Zealand, Canada and Australia. How easily they forgot human rights and how easily they slipped into tyranny. I showed you how only 7100 people above the 2015-2019 average actually died from an undefined respiratory illness which could just as well have been smoking crack or meth which has the same symptoms as a upper respiratory track disease. So exactly WHERE did this 900,000 extra deaths come from? Do you have the slightest understanding what sort of increase in deaths that was? 16%!!!
> Well Tommy, it came from the CDC.
> https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
> At the top of the page, "United States at a glance:
> As of February 8, 2022 1:02 PM ET
> Total cases: 76,782,002
> Total Deaths: 903,038
> >If you can accept that as being invisible could you also accept the fact that the mortuary business was losing money?
> Well, right there on the printed page? Invisible? What does the Good
> Book say? None so blind as those that refuse to see?
>
> I might also point out that the number of Covid deaths reported by the
> CDC is, currently, about 40% more then the total of all the combat
> deaths in all the wars that the U.S. has fought from 1775 to 2019.

Tommy willfully ignores the fact that the CDC broke covid out as as it's own cause of death and does not include it in the 'other respiratory disease' category. It's willfull stupidity on his part. Besides, I'm still waiting for him to post a link where trump said the vaccines don't work.

On 2/8/2022 10:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 15:13:05 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> (chomp)
>
>> shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':
>> https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138
>
> Yep. In 2020, Pfizer gave 61% of its contributions to the Democrats
> and 39% to the Republicans.
> <https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/totals?id=D000000138>
> Note the red/blue bar graph near the top of the page. Note that
> Pfizer gave more or equal amounts to the Republicans in almost every
> election except 2020. So, what changed in 2020? Perhaps Pfizer
> didn't trust Trump?
>
>> https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324
>
>> Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all
>> through 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the
>> culmination of Mr Trump's Operation Warp Speed was just
>> _after_ the election. Odd timing, that.
>>
>> https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/
>>
>> But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever
>> be fully known.
>
> Agreed. Maybe we'll get some amazing revelations after everyone
> involved is dead and buried.
>
> What bothered me about 2020 was not the widespread corruption and
> general lack of ethics by all involved. That's normal and business as
> usual in most countries, including the USA. For example, here's a
> video on the Hayes/Tilden election of 1876. It reads like a template
> for the 2020 election:
> "Your Fraudulency: The 1876 election"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OihYWKuozOE>
> However, there's one big difference. After the election results were
> tabulated and the deals, compromises, and bribes were crafted,
> everything went back to business as usual. There were no riots or
> sore losers. This is what the parliamentary system calls the "loyal
> opposition", where the loser is expected to remain loyal to the
> government of the country after the election. That didn't happen in
> 2020 and that bothers me.
>
>
>
>
>

Except that facile 'explanations' are a continuation of the
process. Hint: The Communists did not in fact burn the
Reichstag either.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/9/2022 12:18 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 20:21:17 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 15:13:05 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> (chomp)
>>
>>> shhhh. You're not supposed to say 'follow the money':
>>> https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/summary?id=D000000138
>>
>> Yep. In 2020, Pfizer gave 61% of its contributions to the Democrats
>> and 39% to the Republicans.
>> <https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/pfizer-inc/totals?id=D000000138>
>> Note the red/blue bar graph near the top of the page. Note that
>> Pfizer gave more or equal amounts to the Republicans in almost every
>> election except 2020. So, what changed in 2020? Perhaps Pfizer
>> didn't trust Trump?
>>
>>> https://www.investopedia.com/top-donors-to-biden-2020-campaign-5080324
>>
>>> Not only. Top execs at Pfizer advised the Biden campaign all
>>> through 2020. Oh, and it's just a coincidence that the
>>> culmination of Mr Trump's Operation Warp Speed was just
>>> _after_ the election. Odd timing, that.
>>>
>>> https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/
>>>
>>> But hey believe what you will. Nothing about 2020 will ever
>>> be fully known.
>>
>> Agreed. Maybe we'll get some amazing revelations after everyone
>> involved is dead and buried.
>>
>> What bothered me about 2020 was not the widespread corruption and
>> general lack of ethics by all involved. That's normal and business as
>> usual in most countries, including the USA. For example, here's a
>> video on the Hayes/Tilden election of 1876. It reads like a template
>> for the 2020 election:
>> "Your Fraudulency: The 1876 election"
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OihYWKuozOE>
>> However, there's one big difference. After the election results were
>> tabulated and the deals, compromises, and bribes were crafted,
>> everything went back to business as usual. There were no riots or
>> sore losers. This is what the parliamentary system calls the "loyal
>> opposition", where the loser is expected to remain loyal to the
>> government of the country after the election. That didn't happen in
>> 2020 and that bothers me.
>
> I suspect that a great deal of it is a result of the, what appears to
> be, an overwhelming arrogance on the part of the yellow gnome.

Overwhelming arrogance coupled with a brat's tantrum at losing.

As others have said, if Trump were less over-privileged, some of this
behavior might have been quashed by the other kids in kindergarten.

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- Frank Krygowski