On 2/18/2022 11:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:52:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/17/2022 7:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:21:07 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you wish to believe that there is a real reason that covid-19 is only reported with pneumonia patients who just happened to test positive using PCR, that the inventor of the chemistry (Nobel Prize winner Dr. Kary Mullis) said could not be used in this manner (Dr. Mullis termed it "abusing" the chemistry) you can, but there is no standing for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've taken great care to use nothing but documented evidence and have not insulted you. So if you are going to debate this back remember that.
>>>> Why are you wasting time trying to convince us on r.b.tech??? Why aren't you making yourself rich and famous by
>>>> educating the rest of the world?
>>>>
>>>> Can it be that nobody else will even listen to your nonsense?
>>>
>>> Frank, unlike you, I don't feel that my life is a loss because I'm not famous. I am rich enough for me. ...
>>
>> That and the rest of Tom's post were the trademarked Kunich deflection
>> tactic: when Tom can't answer a question he switches to yet another
>> off-topic rant.
>>
>> Tom, your nattering nonsense on COVID convinces nobody here and ruins
>> this discussion group. You are destructive and ineffective.
>>
>> And even _IF_ you convinced absolutely everybody here that you know more
>> than the public health officials of every country in the world, it would
>> STILL make no difference.
>>
>> You're an impotent, effete old man who pollutes this group to pretend to
>> have some tiny influence. But all you're achieving is to disgust people
>> and drive them away.
>>
>> Grow some balls! Take your brilliance out into the rest of the world.
>> Write articles that people will actually read. Get on TV. Get on radio.
>>
>> Or just get a robe and sandals and walk around with a big "COVID IS
>> FAKE" sign. Show the world who you really are!
>
> Frank, I couldn't care less if you would rather believe Fauci than me.

Fine. Then stop posting about COVID.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 9:05:58 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/18/2022 11:16 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:52:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 2/17/2022 7:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:21:07 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So if you wish to believe that there is a real reason that covid-19 is only reported with pneumonia patients who just happened to test positive using PCR, that the inventor of the chemistry (Nobel Prize winner Dr. Kary Mullis) said could not be used in this manner (Dr. Mullis termed it "abusing" the chemistry) you can, but there is no standing for it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've taken great care to use nothing but documented evidence and have not insulted you. So if you are going to debate this back remember that.
> >>>> Why are you wasting time trying to convince us on r.b.tech??? Why aren't you making yourself rich and famous by
> >>>> educating the rest of the world?
> >>>>
> >>>> Can it be that nobody else will even listen to your nonsense?
> >>>
> >>> Frank, unlike you, I don't feel that my life is a loss because I'm not famous. I am rich enough for me. ...
> >>
> >> That and the rest of Tom's post were the trademarked Kunich deflection
> >> tactic: when Tom can't answer a question he switches to yet another
> >> off-topic rant.
> >>
> >> Tom, your nattering nonsense on COVID convinces nobody here and ruins
> >> this discussion group. You are destructive and ineffective.
> >>
> >> And even _IF_ you convinced absolutely everybody here that you know more
> >> than the public health officials of every country in the world, it would
> >> STILL make no difference.
> >>
> >> You're an impotent, effete old man who pollutes this group to pretend to
> >> have some tiny influence. But all you're achieving is to disgust people
> >> and drive them away.
> >>
> >> Grow some balls! Take your brilliance out into the rest of the world.
> >> Write articles that people will actually read. Get on TV. Get on radio..
> >>
> >> Or just get a robe and sandals and walk around with a big "COVID IS
> >> FAKE" sign. Show the world who you really are!
> >
> > Frank, I couldn't care less if you would rather believe Fauci than me.
> Fine. Then stop posting about COVID.

Again you think you can silence my repetition of the facts so that you can feel good about your choices. You have a lot in common with Flunky including the especially low IQ.

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:16:21 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:52:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/17/2022 7:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:21:07 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> So if you wish to believe that there is a real reason that covid-19 is only reported with pneumonia patients who just happened to test positive using PCR, that the inventor of the chemistry (Nobel Prize winner Dr. Kary Mullis) said could not be used in this manner (Dr. Mullis termed it "abusing" the chemistry) you can, but there is no standing for it.
> > >>>
> > >>> I've taken great care to use nothing but documented evidence and have not insulted you. So if you are going to debate this back remember that.
> > >> Why are you wasting time trying to convince us on r.b.tech??? Why aren't you making yourself rich and famous by
> > >> educating the rest of the world?
> > >>
> > >> Can it be that nobody else will even listen to your nonsense?
> > >
> > > Frank, unlike you, I don't feel that my life is a loss because I'm not famous. I am rich enough for me. ...
> >
> > That and the rest of Tom's post were the trademarked Kunich deflection
> > tactic: when Tom can't answer a question he switches to yet another
> > off-topic rant.
> >
> > Tom, your nattering nonsense on COVID convinces nobody here and ruins
> > this discussion group. You are destructive and ineffective.
> >
> > And even _IF_ you convinced absolutely everybody here that you know more
> > than the public health officials of every country in the world, it would
> > STILL make no difference.
> >
> > You're an impotent, effete old man who pollutes this group to pretend to
> > have some tiny influence. But all you're achieving is to disgust people
> > and drive them away.
> >
> > Grow some balls! Take your brilliance out into the rest of the world.
> > Write articles that people will actually read. Get on TV. Get on radio.
> >
> > Or just get a robe and sandals and walk around with a big "COVID IS
> > FAKE" sign. Show the world who you really are!
> Frank, I couldn't care less if you would rather believe Fauci than me. That simply makes you a target for the people you have stolen everything from.. That makes you a target for Fauci's vaccines.

You have confused me again Tommy. Above you write that the people Frank STOLE from, everything they own, are going to make Frank their target because Dr. Anthony Fauci tells them to hate Frank. A logical person would think the people Frank STOLE from would hate Frank because he STOLE everything they own. These victims would not need Dr. Fauci telling them to hate, target, Frank. Theft victims always hate the thiefs. Without any encouragement from anyone else. Apparently you have a different understanding of the ways of the world.

>
> You don't want to heed my warnings? All the better for me.
>
> You continue to believe that unless you're famous your opinions aren't important. Am I supposed to believe someone that has never actually worked in medical science? Certainly other people are now saying what I've been saying for 2 years. Don't listen to them either. Or take Russell's route and try to blacken their reputations because they are saying what you don't like.

I'm not trying to blacken anyone's reputation. Most people who need a blackened reputation do very well at that by simply speaking. I merely educate, elucidate, people's reputation. By showing what others have written and proven about someone.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
>> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
>> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
>> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
>> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
>> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
>> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
>
>It varies.
>
>https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
>
>https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
>
>https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
>
>You can look this stuff up.

Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
first cause,
"Poverty
Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
living on the streets."

If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
death?

But evidently they aren't, or at least I don't see references to that
in the news,, so do we assume that the statement is untrue? Or?
,
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/18/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
>>> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
>>> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
>>> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
>>> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
>>> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
>>> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
>>
>> It varies.
>>
>> https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
>>
>> https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
>>
>> https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
>>
>> You can look this stuff up.
>
> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
> first cause,
> "Poverty
> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
> living on the streets."
>
> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
> death?

I don't know, I'm not an expert on this stuff. But if I had only enough
money to pay for either housing or food, I think I'd choose food.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:00:58 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
> >> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
> >> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
> >> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
> >> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
> >> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
> >> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
> >
> >It varies.
> >
> >https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
> >
> >https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
> >
> >https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
> >
> >You can look this stuff up.
> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
> first cause,
> "Poverty
> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
> living on the streets."
>
> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
> death?

I think you are playing with us John. I am sure you have seen the pictures of German Nazi death camps such as Auschwitz. People who were skin and bones. Literally skin and bones. They were starving to death. But they were not dead. So apparently it takes a long time and a lot of suffering to officially starve to death. Dead. In the USA, there are methods to get food. Enough food to postpone and prevent starving to death. A homeless shelter, soup kitchen, public festival with free food, etc. Enough to keep alive for another week or two. And then repeat. Not a pleasant way to live. But life is sustained.

>
> But evidently they aren't, or at least I don't see references to that
> in the news,, so do we assume that the statement is untrue? Or?
> ,
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On 2/18/2022 5:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/18/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about
>>>> in U.S. news
>>>> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them.
>>>> Are they penny
>>>> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so
>>>> how do they
>>>> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant
>>>> reply. I got
>>>> replies saying that housing in California is costly but
>>>> does this mean
>>>> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to
>>>> rent a house? Or
>>>> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the
>>>> sidewalk? Or??
>>>
>>> It varies.
>>>
>>> https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
>>>
>>>
>>> https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
>>>
>>> You can look this stuff up.
>>
>> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give
>> about, the
>> first cause,
>> "Poverty
>> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People
>> who are
>> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities
>> such as
>> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education.
>> Poverty can mean
>> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque
>> away from
>> living on the streets."
>>
>> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to
>> pay for
>> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they
>> starving to
>> death?
>
> I don't know, I'm not an expert on this stuff. But if I had
> only enough money to pay for either housing or food, I think
> I'd choose food.
>
>

Typical answer from a man who's not a bum living on the
street (a.k.a. 'homeless person').

The correct answer to 'housing or food?' is always 'liquor
and/or dope'.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 18:44:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/18/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
>>>> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
>>>> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
>>>> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
>>>> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
>>>> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
>>>> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
>>>
>>> It varies.
>>>
>>> https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
>>>
>>> https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
>>>
>>> https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
>>>
>>> You can look this stuff up.
>>
>> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
>> first cause,
>> "Poverty
>> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
>> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
>> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
>> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
>> living on the streets."
>>
>> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
>> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
>> death?
>
>I don't know, I'm not an expert on this stuff. But if I had only enough
>money to pay for either housing or food, I think I'd choose food.

I don't disagree but I was talking about details. I certainly read
about people living on the streets and see the words "homeless" but I
never see any details. And from reading the news, which admittedly
isn't detailed in any way, it appears that there are a lot of them, or
maybe a lot of them in some places.

A lot of people sleeping on the sidewalk? Wow! How come? And I don't
get an authoritative explanation.

But I do see a lot of stories about "illegal aliens" and how roofing
crews are all illegal Spanish (for want of a more accurate
description).
So, if USians have to live on the sidewalk what are these illegal
workers doing and even more, if there are no jobs for USians why are
these Illegals fighting to get into the U.S.?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:20:44 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:00:58 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
>> >> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
>> >> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
>> >> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
>> >> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
>> >> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
>> >> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
>> >
>> >It varies.
>> >
>> >https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
>> >
>> >https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
>> >
>> >https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
>> >
>> >You can look this stuff up.
>> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
>> first cause,
>> "Poverty
>> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
>> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
>> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
>> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
>> living on the streets."
>>
>> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
>> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
>> death?
>
>I think you are playing with us John. I am sure you have seen the pictures of German Nazi death camps such as Auschwitz. People who were skin and bones. Literally skin and bones. They were starving to death. But they were not dead. So apparently it takes a long time and a lot of suffering to officially starve to death. Dead. In the USA, there are methods to get food. Enough food to postpone and prevent starving to death. A homeless shelter, soup kitchen, public festival with free food, etc. Enough to keep alive for another week or two. And then repeat. Not a pleasant way to live. But life is sustained.
>

Well, I'm not sure what German Death Camps have to do with U.S.
homeless. But is you say so I'm sure that it must be true. But, tell
me, don't they have to wear the uniform?
https://tinyurl.com/4affpej2
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/18/2022 8:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 18:44:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
>>>>> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
>>>>> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
>>>>> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
>>>>> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
>>>>> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
>>>>> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
>>>>
>>>> It varies.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
>>>>
>>>> https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
>>>>
>>>> https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
>>>>
>>>> You can look this stuff up.
>>>
>>> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
>>> first cause,
>>> "Poverty
>>> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
>>> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
>>> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
>>> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
>>> living on the streets."
>>>
>>> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
>>> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
>>> death?
>>
>> I don't know, I'm not an expert on this stuff. But if I had only enough
>> money to pay for either housing or food, I think I'd choose food.
>
> I don't disagree but I was talking about details. I certainly read
> about people living on the streets and see the words "homeless" but I
> never see any details. And from reading the news, which admittedly
> isn't detailed in any way, it appears that there are a lot of them, or
> maybe a lot of them in some places.
>
> A lot of people sleeping on the sidewalk? Wow! How come? And I don't
> get an authoritative explanation.
>
> But I do see a lot of stories about "illegal aliens" and how roofing
> crews are all illegal Spanish (for want of a more accurate
> description).
> So, if USians have to live on the sidewalk what are these illegal
> workers doing and even more, if there are no jobs for USians why are
> these Illegals fighting to get into the U.S.?
>

I don't usually link videos but this covers both issues in a
touch over 3 minutes:

https://nypost.com/video/nycs-violently-deranged-homeless-population-urban-legend-with-kevin-sheehan/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 20:57:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>https://nypost.com/video/nycs-violently-deranged-homeless-population-urban-legend-with-kevin-sheehan/

Thank you for that. The first to actual provide any degree of
explanation.

I don't really follow U.S. news in detail so I wasn't aware of any of
the pushing under subway cars, etc.

Here I read the news and I can relate the news to society pretty well
but U.S. news, as I see it reported, seems to emphasize drama and I
can't really relate it to everyday happenings. Do people habitually
push people in front of subway trains, etc. (:?)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:53:46 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:20:44 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:00:58 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> >> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
> >> >> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
> >> >> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
> >> >> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
> >> >> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
> >> >> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
> >> >> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
> >> >
> >> >It varies.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
> >> >
> >> >https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
> >> >
> >> >https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
> >> >
> >> >You can look this stuff up.
> >> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
> >> first cause,
> >> "Poverty
> >> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
> >> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
> >> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
> >> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
> >> living on the streets."
> >>
> >> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
> >> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
> >> death?
> >
> >I think you are playing with us John. I am sure you have seen the pictures of German Nazi death camps such as Auschwitz. People who were skin and bones. Literally skin and bones. They were starving to death. But they were not dead. So apparently it takes a long time and a lot of suffering to officially starve to death. Dead. In the USA, there are methods to get food. Enough food to postpone and prevent starving to death. A homeless shelter, soup kitchen, public festival with free food, etc. Enough to keep alive for another week or two. And then repeat. Not a pleasant way to live. But life is sustained.
> >
> Well, I'm not sure what German Death Camps have to do with U.S.
> homeless. But is you say so I'm sure that it must be true. But, tell
> me, don't they have to wear the uniform?
> https://tinyurl.com/4affpej2
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

???? You asked why the homeless are not starving to death. And I brought up the fact that the Nazi concentration camp had people who were deliberately starved. And it took a whole lot of starving to kill them. Based on the pictures of skin and bone people from the prisons. So its very likely someone could be homeless and poor in the USA for a very long time and not die of starvation.

On 2/19/2022 2:31 AM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:53:46 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:20:44 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:00:58 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
>>>>>> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
>>>>>> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
>>>>>> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
>>>>>> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
>>>>>> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
>>>>>> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
>>>>>
>>>>> It varies.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
>>>>>
>>>>> https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
>>>>>
>>>>> You can look this stuff up.
>>>> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
>>>> first cause,
>>>> "Poverty
>>>> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
>>>> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
>>>> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
>>>> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
>>>> living on the streets."
>>>>
>>>> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
>>>> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
>>>> death?
>>>
>>> I think you are playing with us John. I am sure you have seen the pictures of German Nazi death camps such as Auschwitz. People who were skin and bones. Literally skin and bones. They were starving to death. But they were not dead. So apparently it takes a long time and a lot of suffering to officially starve to death. Dead. In the USA, there are methods to get food. Enough food to postpone and prevent starving to death. A homeless shelter, soup kitchen, public festival with free food, etc. Enough to keep alive for another week or two. And then repeat. Not a pleasant way to live. But life is sustained.
>>>
>> Well, I'm not sure what German Death Camps have to do with U.S.
>> homeless. But is you say so I'm sure that it must be true. But, tell
>> me, don't they have to wear the uniform?
>> https://tinyurl.com/4affpej2
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>
> ???? You asked why the homeless are not starving to death. And I brought up the fact that the Nazi concentration camp had people who were deliberately starved. And it took a whole lot of starving to kill them. Based on the pictures of skin and bone people from the prisons. So its very likely someone could be homeless and poor in the USA for a very long time and not die of starvation.
>

+1

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/18/2022 10:15 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 20:57:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> https://nypost.com/video/nycs-violently-deranged-homeless-population-urban-legend-with-kevin-sheehan/
>
> Thank you for that. The first to actual provide any degree of
> explanation.
>
> I don't really follow U.S. news in detail so I wasn't aware of any of
> the pushing under subway cars, etc.
>
> Here I read the news and I can relate the news to society pretty well
> but U.S. news, as I see it reported, seems to emphasize drama and I
> can't really relate it to everyday happenings. Do people habitually
> push people in front of subway trains, etc. (:?)
>

Yes, she was not the first this year.

And not only:
https://nypost.com/2022/02/19/nyc-subway-slashings-spike-35-this-year-nypd-data/
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/19/2022 10:01 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/18/2022 10:15 PM, John B. wrote:
>> Do people habitually
>> push people in front of subway trains, etc. (:?)
>>
>
> Yes, she was not the first this year.
>
> And not only:
> https://nypost.com/2022/02/19/nyc-subway-slashings-spike-35-this-year-nypd-data/

Wait, please! The question was "Do people habitually push people in
front of subway trains, etc."

I've been able to find exactly ONE such incident on line, plus another a
few days later where a copycat pushed another guy when there was no
train around. Of course such random attacks (including with razors) are
terrible; but they are far from "habitual."

I'll note that Andrew and John have both said AR rifles are no problem
because killing only a couple dozen kids at a time pales compared with
traffic deaths or medical mistakes. Please try for consistency in your
arguments.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/19/2022 10:27 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/19/2022 10:01 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/18/2022 10:15 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> Do people habitually
>>> push people in front of subway trains, etc. (:?)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, she was not the first this year.
>>
>> And not only:
>> https://nypost.com/2022/02/19/nyc-subway-slashings-spike-35-this-year-nypd-data/
>
>
> Wait, please! The question was "Do people habitually push
> people in front of subway trains, etc."
>
> I've been able to find exactly ONE such incident on line,
> plus another a few days later where a copycat pushed another
> guy when there was no train around. Of course such random
> attacks (including with razors) are terrible; but they are
> far from "habitual."
>
> I'll note that Andrew and John have both said AR rifles are
> no problem because killing only a couple dozen kids at a
> time pales compared with traffic deaths or medical mistakes.
> Please try for consistency in your arguments.
>

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/6189926-62-year-old-man-pushed-off-subway-platform-in-manhattan/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/another-person-shoved-onto-new-york-e2-80-99s-subway-tracks-days-after-michelle-go-e2-80-99s-death/ar-AAT5Dc3

Lest we over react, nycstreetsblog says it's nothing in
comparison to car crashes:
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/01/26/what-is-to-be-done-experts-discuss-subway-crime-death-homelessness/

Which is true. The absolute numbers are nothing in a city
of 8.5 million. Move along, go about your day, stand back
from the platform.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 2:42:30 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:16:21 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:52:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 2/17/2022 7:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:21:07 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So if you wish to believe that there is a real reason that covid-19 is only reported with pneumonia patients who just happened to test positive using PCR, that the inventor of the chemistry (Nobel Prize winner Dr. Kary Mullis) said could not be used in this manner (Dr. Mullis termed it "abusing" the chemistry) you can, but there is no standing for it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I've taken great care to use nothing but documented evidence and have not insulted you. So if you are going to debate this back remember that.
> > > >> Why are you wasting time trying to convince us on r.b.tech??? Why aren't you making yourself rich and famous by
> > > >> educating the rest of the world?
> > > >>
> > > >> Can it be that nobody else will even listen to your nonsense?
> > > >
> > > > Frank, unlike you, I don't feel that my life is a loss because I'm not famous. I am rich enough for me. ...
> > >
> > > That and the rest of Tom's post were the trademarked Kunich deflection
> > > tactic: when Tom can't answer a question he switches to yet another
> > > off-topic rant.
> > >
> > > Tom, your nattering nonsense on COVID convinces nobody here and ruins
> > > this discussion group. You are destructive and ineffective.
> > >
> > > And even _IF_ you convinced absolutely everybody here that you know more
> > > than the public health officials of every country in the world, it would
> > > STILL make no difference.
> > >
> > > You're an impotent, effete old man who pollutes this group to pretend to
> > > have some tiny influence. But all you're achieving is to disgust people
> > > and drive them away.
> > >
> > > Grow some balls! Take your brilliance out into the rest of the world.
> > > Write articles that people will actually read. Get on TV. Get on radio.
> > >
> > > Or just get a robe and sandals and walk around with a big "COVID IS
> > > FAKE" sign. Show the world who you really are!
> > Frank, I couldn't care less if you would rather believe Fauci than me. That simply makes you a target for the people you have stolen everything from. That makes you a target for Fauci's vaccines.
> You have confused me again Tommy. Above you write that the people Frank STOLE from, everything they own, are going to make Frank their target because Dr. Anthony Fauci tells them to hate Frank. A logical person would think the people Frank STOLE from would hate Frank because he STOLE everything they own. These victims would not need Dr. Fauci telling them to hate, target, Frank. Theft victims always hate the thiefs. Without any encouragement from anyone else. Apparently you have a different understanding of the ways of the world.
> >
> > You don't want to heed my warnings? All the better for me.
> >
> > You continue to believe that unless you're famous your opinions aren't important. Am I supposed to believe someone that has never actually worked in medical science? Certainly other people are now saying what I've been saying for 2 years. Don't listen to them either. Or take Russell's route and try to blacken their reputations because they are saying what you don't like.
> I'm not trying to blacken anyone's reputation. Most people who need a blackened reputation do very well at that by simply speaking. I merely educate, elucidate, people's reputation. By showing what others have written and proven about someone.

Russell, every time you post you educate people in just how little education you have yourself. Your English is so bad that you do not know the difference between "stolen" (past tense of the verb "steal") and "stole" (noun for an ecclesiastical vestment or a woman's scarf.) You make up meanings of things as you go along and then are insulted when people have no idea what you're talking about.

You claim to be an accountant but like your English, you do not have the use of simple mathematics. Perhaps you should think about what you appear to others as.

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 6:57:16 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/18/2022 8:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 18:44:56 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/18/2022 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
> >>>>> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
> >>>>> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
> >>>>> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
> >>>>> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
> >>>>> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
> >>>>> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
> >>>>
> >>>> It varies.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
> >>>>
> >>>> https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
> >>>>
> >>>> https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
> >>>>
> >>>> You can look this stuff up.
> >>>
> >>> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
> >>> first cause,
> >>> "Poverty
> >>> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
> >>> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
> >>> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
> >>> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
> >>> living on the streets."
> >>>
> >>> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
> >>> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
> >>> death?
> >>
> >> I don't know, I'm not an expert on this stuff. But if I had only enough
> >> money to pay for either housing or food, I think I'd choose food.
> >
> > I don't disagree but I was talking about details. I certainly read
> > about people living on the streets and see the words "homeless" but I
> > never see any details. And from reading the news, which admittedly
> > isn't detailed in any way, it appears that there are a lot of them, or
> > maybe a lot of them in some places.
> >
> > A lot of people sleeping on the sidewalk? Wow! How come? And I don't
> > get an authoritative explanation.
> >
> > But I do see a lot of stories about "illegal aliens" and how roofing
> > crews are all illegal Spanish (for want of a more accurate
> > description).
> > So, if USians have to live on the sidewalk what are these illegal
> > workers doing and even more, if there are no jobs for USians why are
> > these Illegals fighting to get into the U.S.?
> >
> I don't usually link videos but this covers both issues in a
> touch over 3 minutes:
>
> https://nypost.com/video/nycs-violently-deranged-homeless-population-urban-legend-with-kevin-sheehan/

This is a contingency of homeless and is caused in California from the cost of living and rent now. But the overwhelming number of the homeless are mentally ill or drug addicts. Whether the mental illness is from being homeless or not I couldn't say. The man who pushed that women in front of the subway was a drug addict that had been in and out of jails and legal systems continuously. What sort of person does it take to be on Market St. in San Francisco with hundreds of people walking around them and drop his pants and shit right there. And a nearby cop do nothing?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:31:54 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 8:53:46 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 16:20:44 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 5:00:58 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:00:32 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 2/18/2022 4:27 AM, John B. wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've always wondered about the "homeless" I read about in U.S. news
>> >> >> reports.. In fact I even asked on this site about them. Are they penny
>> >> >> less and can't afford a roof over their heads and if so how do they
>> >> >> eat? and so on, and I never got a really cognizant reply. I got
>> >> >> replies saying that housing in California is costly but does this mean
>> >> >> that they are gainfully employed and can't afford to rent a house? Or
>> >> >> does it mean that they are unemployed and living on the sidewalk? Or??
>> >> >
>> >> >It varies.
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.homelesshub.ca/about-homelessness/homelessness-101/causes-homelessness
>> >> >
>> >> >https://endhomelessness.org/homelessness-in-america/what-causes-homelessness/
>> >> >
>> >> >https://atlantamission.org/7-major-causes-homelessness/
>> >> >
>> >> >You can look this stuff up.
>> >> Well, yes, I can look it up. The first reference you give about, the
>> >> first cause,
>> >> "Poverty
>> >> Homelessness and poverty are inextricably linked. People who are
>> >> impoverished are frequently unable to pay for necessities such as
>> >> housing, food, childcare, health care, and education. Poverty can mean
>> >> a person is one illness, one accident, or one paycheque away from
>> >> living on the streets."
>> >>
>> >> If People who are impoverished are frequently unable to pay for
>> >> necessities such as housing, food..." why aren't they starving to
>> >> death?
>> >
>> >I think you are playing with us John. I am sure you have seen the pictures of German Nazi death camps such as Auschwitz. People who were skin and bones. Literally skin and bones. They were starving to death. But they were not dead. So apparently it takes a long time and a lot of suffering to officially starve to death. Dead. In the USA, there are methods to get food. Enough food to postpone and prevent starving to death. A homeless shelter, soup kitchen, public festival with free food, etc. Enough to keep alive for another week or two. And then repeat. Not a pleasant way to live. But life is sustained.
>> >
>> Well, I'm not sure what German Death Camps have to do with U.S.
>> homeless. But is you say so I'm sure that it must be true. But, tell
>> me, don't they have to wear the uniform?
>> https://tinyurl.com/4affpej2
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>
>???? You asked why the homeless are not starving to death. And I brought up the fact that the Nazi concentration camp had people who were deliberately starved. And it took a whole lot of starving to kill them. Based on the pictures of skin and bone people from the prisons. So its very likely someone could be homeless and poor in the USA for a very long time and not die of starvation.

Well, lets see... Apparently it depends, but total starvation seems to
cause death in various lengths of time. Mahatma Gandhi, survived 21
days of total starvation while only allowing himself sips of water,
and Reports of the 1981 hunger strike by political prisoners against
the British presence in Northeast Ireland indicate that 10 individuals
died after periods of between 46 and 73 days without food.

And, while I'm certainly not an expert on German
Deaths Camps" I have read of people that survived for more then a
year. Tadeusz Sobolewicz , for example was confined to German Camps
from 1941 until 1945.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 11:27:25 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/19/2022 10:01 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/18/2022 10:15 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> Do people habitually
>>> push people in front of subway trains, etc. (:?)
>>>
>>
>> Yes, she was not the first this year.
>>
>> And not only:
>> https://nypost.com/2022/02/19/nyc-subway-slashings-spike-35-this-year-nypd-data/
>
>Wait, please! The question was "Do people habitually push people in
>front of subway trains, etc."
>
>I've been able to find exactly ONE such incident on line, plus another a
>few days later where a copycat pushed another guy when there was no
>train around. Of course such random attacks (including with razors) are
>terrible; but they are far from "habitual."
>
>I'll note that Andrew and John have both said AR rifles are no problem
>because killing only a couple dozen kids at a time pales compared with
>traffic deaths or medical mistakes. Please try for consistency in your
>arguments.

Frank, you do go on. In fact your are really developing into a
crotchety Old Man.

No Andrew nor I have said that AR rifles are no problem. In fact I
went on at some length about the modern USian attempting to
rationalize mass killings by blaming it on AR type firearms. And that
semi-automatic rifles and large - 30 round - magazines have been
available for a hundred years of so.

When are you going to face the reality that mass shootings are
perpetrated by bad people. Not by an inert mechanical device.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/19/2022 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> No Andrew nor I have said that AR rifles are no problem. In fact I
> went on at some length about the modern USian attempting to
> rationalize mass killings by blaming it on AR type firearms. And that
> semi-automatic rifles and large - 30 round - magazines have been
> available for a hundred years of so.

Your sentence structure above is a bit chaotic, not to mention your
logic. Are you now claiming you and Andrew did not defend AR rifles?

> When are you going to face the reality that mass shootings are
> perpetrated by bad people. Not by an inert mechanical device.

Of course mass shootings are perpetrated by bad people! The question is,
why do we in America allow bad people to buy mass shooting tools?

How easy is it to buy a similar gun where you live? Do you own one? If
not, how are you getting by?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 20:01:41 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/19/2022 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> No Andrew nor I have said that AR rifles are no problem. In fact I
>> went on at some length about the modern USian attempting to
>> rationalize mass killings by blaming it on AR type firearms. And that
>> semi-automatic rifles and large - 30 round - magazines have been
>> available for a hundred years of so.
>
>Your sentence structure above is a bit chaotic, not to mention your
>logic. Are you now claiming you and Andrew did not defend AR rifles?
>
>> When are you going to face the reality that mass shootings are
>> perpetrated by bad people. Not by an inert mechanical device.
>
>Of course mass shootings are perpetrated by bad people! The question is,
>why do we in America allow bad people to buy mass shooting tools?
>

Because your Basic Law allows it.

And, whether or not you agree with the Constitution and it's
amendments, it is the law of the land.

And, I might add, unfortunately you live in a quasi democracy and,
unfortunately in a democracy the individual's opinion is essentially
meaningless. It is the majority's opinion that counts. And, if
Andrew's figures are correct then the 20,000,000 AR owners opinion
outweigh your's by a about 10,000 tons.

>How easy is it to buy a similar gun where you live? Do you own one? If
>not, how are you getting by?

In reality? Very easy. Just bring money.

But what, other being a red herring, does my ownership, or lack there
of, have to do with U.S. ownership AR type of rifles?

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 6:06:30 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 20:01:41 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/19/2022 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>
> >> No Andrew nor I have said that AR rifles are no problem. In fact I
> >> went on at some length about the modern USian attempting to
> >> rationalize mass killings by blaming it on AR type firearms. And that
> >> semi-automatic rifles and large - 30 round - magazines have been
> >> available for a hundred years of so.
> >
> >Your sentence structure above is a bit chaotic, not to mention your
> >logic. Are you now claiming you and Andrew did not defend AR rifles?

Hmm. No answer!

> >> When are you going to face the reality that mass shootings are
> >> perpetrated by bad people. Not by an inert mechanical device.
> >
> >Of course mass shootings are perpetrated by bad people! The question is,
> >why do we in America allow bad people to buy mass shooting tools?
> >
> Because your Basic Law allows it.
> And, whether or not you agree with the Constitution and it's
> amendments, it is the law of the land.
>
You're greatly over-simplifying that, John. The constitution does not guarantee
that any and all guns are allowed. Since the very beginning, there have been laws
restricting certain types of guns. The ones we're discussing have been among them.

> And, I might add, unfortunately you live in a quasi democracy and,
> unfortunately in a democracy the individual's opinion is essentially
> meaningless. It is the majority's opinion that counts. And, if
> Andrew's figures are correct then the 20,000,000 AR owners opinion
> outweigh your's by a about 10,000 tons.

Again, you're greatly oversimplifying. Or just mistaken.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_on_gun_control_in_the_United_States
"An August 2019 Fox News poll of registered voters found 90% of respondents favored universal background checks, 81% supported taking guns from at-risk individuals, and 67% favored banning assault weapons.[31]

Or there's Gallup:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

I think the reason these things are so easily available is because of the outsized
influence of the corrupt NRA, through the outsized influence of big money on U.S. politics.
All that can be changed, and hopefully will. Even with opposition from people like Tom.

> >How easy is it to buy a similar gun where you live? Do you own one? If
> >not, how are you getting by?
> In reality? Very easy. Just bring money.

OK, interesting. I poked around a bit and found this:
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-gun-laws-in-Thailand-like
which claims
"11. Prohibited Gun And Device ban from Civilian use in Thailand:
Semi-Auto Rifle Center-Fire."

Also, this source
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/thailand
says "In Thailand, civilians are not allowed to possess automatic and semi-automatic rifles [74]

> But what, other being a red herring, does my ownership, or lack there
> of, have to do with U.S. ownership AR type of rifles?

Here's the relevance: I keep trying to discuss advantages vs. disadvantages. Abetting mass
shootings _should_ be counted as a disadvantage of guns with the features we're discussing.
Whatever the advantages may be - if any - they must be minor. I certainly do perfectly well
without them. You apparently do perfectly fine without them too!

- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 20:33:16 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 6:06:30 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 20:01:41 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/19/2022 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> No Andrew nor I have said that AR rifles are no problem. In fact I
>> >> went on at some length about the modern USian attempting to
>> >> rationalize mass killings by blaming it on AR type firearms. And that
>> >> semi-automatic rifles and large - 30 round - magazines have been
>> >> available for a hundred years of so.
>> >
>> >Your sentence structure above is a bit chaotic, not to mention your
>> >logic. Are you now claiming you and Andrew did not defend AR rifles?
>
>Hmm. No answer!
>
>> >> When are you going to face the reality that mass shootings are
>> >> perpetrated by bad people. Not by an inert mechanical device.
>> >
>> >Of course mass shootings are perpetrated by bad people! The question is,
>> >why do we in America allow bad people to buy mass shooting tools?
>> >
>> Because your Basic Law allows it.
>> And, whether or not you agree with the Constitution and it's
>> amendments, it is the law of the land.
>>
>You're greatly over-simplifying that, John. The constitution does not guarantee
>that any and all guns are allowed. Since the very beginning, there have been laws
>restricting certain types of guns. The ones we're discussing have been among them.

Nope. The 2nd amendment states that " the right of the people to keep
and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". No mention of any type what so
ever.

And, your statement "Since the very beginning, there have been laws
restricting certain types of guns."??

What exactly do you mean? What is the "very beginning"? If you mean
from the "very beginning" of the American Colonies then you are wrong.
From the "very beginning" of the U.S.? 1775? I believe that you are
wrong again.

>> And, I might add, unfortunately you live in a quasi democracy and,
>> unfortunately in a democracy the individual's opinion is essentially
>> meaningless. It is the majority's opinion that counts. And, if
>> Andrew's figures are correct then the 20,000,000 AR owners opinion
>> outweigh your's by a about 10,000 tons.
>
>Again, you're greatly oversimplifying. Or just mistaken.
>From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_on_gun_control_in_the_United_States
>"An August 2019 Fox News poll of registered voters found 90% of respondents favored universal background checks, 81% supported taking guns from at-risk individuals, and 67% favored banning assault weapons.[31]

Yup a "pole showed"

But reality is that some 81 million USians own guns and about firearms
are available in ~44% of all U.S. households.
https://americangunfacts.com/gun-ownership-statistics/
and
Of the two-thirds that don’t own a gun, 11% live in a household with a
gun. Among that same group of Americans that don’t own a gun, half say
they might personally own a gun in the future, and a third say they
would never own a gun.

>Or there's Gallup:
>https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx
>
>I think the reason these things are so easily available is because of the outsized
>influence of the corrupt NRA, through the outsized influence of big money on U.S. politics.
>All that can be changed, and hopefully will. Even with opposition from people like Tom.
>
>> >How easy is it to buy a similar gun where you live? Do you own one? If
>> >not, how are you getting by?
>> In reality? Very easy. Just bring money.
>
>OK, interesting. I poked around a bit and found this:
>https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-gun-laws-in-Thailand-like
>which claims
>"11. Prohibited Gun And Device ban from Civilian use in Thailand:
> Semi-Auto Rifle Center-Fire."
>
>Also, this source
>https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/thailand
>says "In Thailand, civilians are not allowed to possess automatic and semi-automatic rifles [74]
>
>> But what, other being a red herring, does my ownership, or lack there
>> of, have to do with U.S. ownership AR type of rifles?

Errr... Frank, your question was (above) "How easy is it to buy a
similar gun where you live" and I told you. And I didn't exaggerate
even a tiny bit. Unlicensed forearms are as common as dirt here.

Every few days you read a news article about someone holding up a Gold
Store and you can't possibly believe that it was done with a legal,
registered, gun.

Today's news:
Man arrested for Phuket currency exchange booth robbery\
"The Yes Exchange 6 Co’s currency booth in front of Big C Jungceylon
branch on Phang Muang Sai Ko Road in Kathu district was held up by a
tall man with a gun..."

I even posted an example of two Canadian "Hit men" flying in,
acquiring pistols, shooting a guy and then flying out a day or so
later.

>Here's the relevance: I keep trying to discuss advantages vs. disadvantages. Abetting mass
>shootings _should_ be counted as a disadvantage of guns with the features we're discussing.
>Whatever the advantages may be - if any - they must be minor. I certainly do perfectly well
>without them. You apparently do perfectly fine without them too!
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Yes, you keep talking about advantages and disadvantages. And that you
can do perfectly well without a gun.
And I agree with you.

But so what?

But Frank, in the area in which I do my morning exercise walk there
are about 20, maybe 25 families... and I see one guy that rides a
bicycle several mornings so quite obviously a bicycle isn't necessary
for life to exist so what is the advantage? Cheap transportation? Well
yes, but this is a neighborhood where I see almost everyone going off
work in the morning in their auto- the guy that rides the bike is
retired and owns, in addition to his bicycle (cheap 7 speed) a full
sized sedan and a motorcycle

So tell me the advantage of bicycles?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, February 19, 2022 at 3:57:19 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 2:42:30 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:16:21 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 7:52:23 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > On 2/17/2022 7:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:21:07 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > >> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So if you wish to believe that there is a real reason that covid-19 is only reported with pneumonia patients who just happened to test positive using PCR, that the inventor of the chemistry (Nobel Prize winner Dr. Kary Mullis) said could not be used in this manner (Dr. Mullis termed it "abusing" the chemistry) you can, but there is no standing for it.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I've taken great care to use nothing but documented evidence and have not insulted you. So if you are going to debate this back remember that.
> > > > >> Why are you wasting time trying to convince us on r.b.tech??? Why aren't you making yourself rich and famous by
> > > > >> educating the rest of the world?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Can it be that nobody else will even listen to your nonsense?
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank, unlike you, I don't feel that my life is a loss because I'm not famous. I am rich enough for me. ...
> > > >
> > > > That and the rest of Tom's post were the trademarked Kunich deflection
> > > > tactic: when Tom can't answer a question he switches to yet another
> > > > off-topic rant.
> > > >
> > > > Tom, your nattering nonsense on COVID convinces nobody here and ruins
> > > > this discussion group. You are destructive and ineffective.
> > > >
> > > > And even _IF_ you convinced absolutely everybody here that you know more
> > > > than the public health officials of every country in the world, it would
> > > > STILL make no difference.
> > > >
> > > > You're an impotent, effete old man who pollutes this group to pretend to
> > > > have some tiny influence. But all you're achieving is to disgust people
> > > > and drive them away.
> > > >
> > > > Grow some balls! Take your brilliance out into the rest of the world.
> > > > Write articles that people will actually read. Get on TV. Get on radio.
> > > >
> > > > Or just get a robe and sandals and walk around with a big "COVID IS
> > > > FAKE" sign. Show the world who you really are!
> > > Frank, I couldn't care less if you would rather believe Fauci than me.. That simply makes you a target for the people you have stolen everything from. That makes you a target for Fauci's vaccines.
> > You have confused me again Tommy. Above you write that the people Frank STOLE from, everything they own, are going to make Frank their target because Dr. Anthony Fauci tells them to hate Frank. A logical person would think the people Frank STOLE from would hate Frank because he STOLE everything they own. These victims would not need Dr. Fauci telling them to hate, target, Frank. Theft victims always hate the thiefs. Without any encouragement from anyone else. Apparently you have a different understanding of the ways of the world.
> > >
> > > You don't want to heed my warnings? All the better for me.
> > >
> > > You continue to believe that unless you're famous your opinions aren't important. Am I supposed to believe someone that has never actually worked in medical science? Certainly other people are now saying what I've been saying for 2 years. Don't listen to them either. Or take Russell's route and try to blacken their reputations because they are saying what you don't like.
> > I'm not trying to blacken anyone's reputation. Most people who need a blackened reputation do very well at that by simply speaking. I merely educate, elucidate, people's reputation. By showing what others have written and proven about someone.
> Russell, every time you post you educate people in just how little education you have yourself. Your English is so bad that you do not know the difference between "stolen" (past tense of the verb "steal") and "stole" (noun for an ecclesiastical vestment or a woman's scarf.) You make up meanings of things as you go along and then are insulted when people have no idea what you're talking about.
>
> You claim to be an accountant but like your English, you do not have the use of simple mathematics. Perhaps you should think about what you appear to others as.

Simple mathematics? You mean like the numerous times I posted the S&P 500 and Dow Jones indices at the beginning and ands of the years for Bush 2, Obama, Trump, and Biden? And calculated the annual returns. And showed very easily that people made lots of money under Obama. But not you apparently.. And showed that the markets did go up for three of the four years under Trump. But Trump LOST money in 2018. Simple mathematics like that? Even someone without a high school education should be able to do simple mathematics like that. You learn how to calculate percentages in elementary school. Yet you cannot do it?