On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:47:01 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
> >>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
> >>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
> >>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
> >>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
> >>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
> >>>
> >>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
> >>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
> >>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
> >>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
> >>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
> >>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
> >>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
> >>>
> >>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
> >>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
> >>>
> >>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> >>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> >>>
> >> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
> >> quislings in Europe?
> >>
> >
> > Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
> >> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
> >
> > Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
> > "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> >
> Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
> very much aligned to US cultural values. The Lithuanians,
> presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto. Not so
> much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
> in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
> suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
> to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
> is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
> it is.

Thanks for that clarification. I was not quite sure.

Lou

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 12:47:01 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
> >>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
> >>>
> >>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> >>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> >>>
> >> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
> >> quislings in Europe?
> >>
> >
> > Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
> >> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
> >
> > Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
> > "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> >
> Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
> very much aligned to US cultural values.
hmmm....Hungarian Prime Mnister Viktor Orbán said in his 2018 speech at the meeting of the Association of Cities with County Rights, "We must state that we do not want to be diverse and do not want to be mixed: we do not want our own colour, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others. We do not want this. We do not want that at all. We do not want to be a diverse country". Is that a value that you think the US already has, or should have?

> The Lithuanians,
> presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto.

I haven't seem much of any change at all in Lithuania, culturally or politically. They've been a good ally of the US for decades - since they declared independence from the USSR. They are members in good standing of the EU, the UN, and NATO, and have free national health care. What is this "religion" you speak of?

> Not so
> much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
> in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
> suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
> to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
> is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
> it is.

Call it as you see it - When their economy collapses and they are taken over by some Islamic State variant, feel free to say 'I told you so'.
"MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:39:56 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:47:01 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> > >>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
> > >>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
> > >>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
> > >>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
> > >>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
> > >>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
> > >>>
> > >>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
> > >>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
> > >>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
> > >>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
> > >>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
> > >>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
> > >>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
> > >>>
> > >>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
> > >>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
> > >>>
> > >>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> > >>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> > >>>
> > >> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
> > >> quislings in Europe?
> > >>
> > >
> > > Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
> > > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
> > >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
> > >> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
> > >
> > > Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
> > > "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> > >
> > Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
> > very much aligned to US cultural values. The Lithuanians,
> > presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto. Not so
> > much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
> > in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
> > suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
> > to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
> > is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
> > it is.
> Thanks for that clarification. I was not quite sure.

Because of the political turmoil here Andrew has been getting a bit upset. I can forgive him and hope that you can as well. The subject of this group is bicycle.tech after all.

AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all
>>>>> your trumpian talking points:
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man
>>> Bad? By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just silently
>>> cringe when the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error,
>>> will you?
>>
>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and
>> the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic
>> outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll
>> find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion
>> of trump.

You confuse real thought with majority sentiment. Well done, Flunkie,
you reliably keep scoring for the opposite team.

>> Perhaps ask [Jute] to explain to you why he willingly followed his
>> governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their
>> socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing
>> USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the
>> same benefits he enjoys?

AFAIR, Andre writes as a self-professed polemicist, not bound by your
idea of reserving full freedom of expression to the factually and
politically correct US resident. Unsurprisingly, you fail to notice
that your complaint seems uncomfortably close to Tom's notion of US
taxpayers enjoying full rbt privileges. Assumably, the old fellows,
like elsewhere, followed a trusted doctor's advice before any Irish
government orders. I will not blame the elderly, the obese, the frail,
or the politically inexperienced for getting themselves experimentally
injected.

>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains
>>> missed the the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies: At 03:50
>>> in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African Frenchie
>>> acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun pointed
>>> at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed
>>> things up.
>>
>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our
>> resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost
>> unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow
>> make some sort of point is completely lost as a result. Seriously -
>> unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make
>> The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The
>> Federalist Papers.

Meister genius, you should worry more about looking so foolish against
an aged, international polemicist and an aged, and brain-injured,
Californian. And as an accountant, please try not to lecture anyone
except Volkswagen or Pfizer on what a fictional parody might be.

So here's the deal, Funkmariechen: The woke NYT's fat Belgian
interviewee was the only one in that Erasmus millennial freakshow who
looked like fun. Before moving to Brussels to ride paves on weekends,
and to ride on silly roadside facilities each workday, you pass French
proficiency tests, plus some Dutch lessons.

>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/

>
> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings
> in Europe?

We'll disagree on who might be whose quisling, but when Lou can agree
with above sentence, it can be considered consensual.

--
"What is the sense of NATO? It is to keep the Americans in, the Russians
out, and the Germans down."
- Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 3:16:27 PM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all
> >>>>> your trumpian talking points:
> >>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans..html
> >>>> I thought that was quite effective.
> >>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man
> >>> Bad? By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just silently
> >>> cringe when the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error,
> >>> will you?
> >>
> >> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and
> >> the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic
> >> outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll
> >> find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion
> >> of trump.
> You confuse real thought with majority sentiment.

Careful, your language barrier is showing. Or are you going to claim the majority's opinion isn't relevant or representative?

> Well done, Flunkie,
> you reliably keep scoring for the opposite team.

And yet you still fail to counter the points of the NYT article with anything other than an ad hominem. Sorry roofie, Your side of the tally is still blank.

> >> Perhaps ask [Jute] to explain to you why he willingly followed his
> >> governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their
> >> socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing
> >> USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the
> >> same benefits he enjoys?
> AFAIR, Andre writes as a self-professed polemicist, not bound by your
> idea of reserving full freedom of expression to the factually and
> politically correct US resident.

In other words, you admit andre is a hypocrite, got it.

> Unsurprisingly, you fail to notice
> that your complaint seems uncomfortably close to Tom's notion of US
> taxpayers enjoying full rbt privileges.

Really? Tommy's on board with vaccine mandates and socialized medicine? You should tell him that, I don't think he knows.

> Assumably, the old fellows,
> like elsewhere, followed a trusted doctor's advice before any Irish
> government orders.

So again, Andre is following a trusted doctors advice to get vaccinated, while behaving like a poo-flinging anti-vax rhesus in this forum.

> I will not blame the elderly, the obese, the frail,
> or the politically inexperienced for getting themselves experimentally
> injected.

Nor do I, I only expect them to be honest about it.

> Meister genius, you should worry more about looking so foolish against
> an aged, international polemicist and an aged, and brain-injured,
> Californian.

Trust me, I'm not the one looking like a fool here. The ones who posts links claiming the CDC admits masks don't work, when those links state the exact opposite are much more in danger of that.

> And as an accountant, please try not to lecture anyone
> except Volkswagen or Pfizer on what a fictional parody might be.

Maybe I would if I were an accountant. Who isn't paying attention here?

> So here's the deal, Funkmariechen: The woke NYT's fat Belgian
> interviewee was the only one in that Erasmus millennial freakshow who
> looked like fun. Before moving to Brussels to ride paves on weekends,
> and to ride on silly roadside facilities each workday, you pass French
> proficiency tests, plus some Dutch lessons.

And again, maybe have that checked by someone in your native language who is more well-versed in English. It makes as much sense as tommy responding to links of women that aptly handle 12-gauge shotguns with "so you admit women can ride faster than you"

>
> >> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> >
> > Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings
> > in Europe?
> We'll disagree on who might be whose quisling, but when Lou can agree
> with above sentence, it can be considered consensual.

Funny, I read Lou's response as a sarcastic reply. I could be wrong, perhaps he would be willing to clarify.
"MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich

On 2/17/2022 12:49 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 12:47:01 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>>>
>>>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>>>
>>>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>>>> quislings in Europe?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
>>>> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
>>>
>>> Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>
>> Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
>> very much aligned to US cultural values.
>
> hmmm....Hungarian Prime Mnister Viktor Orbán said in his 2018 speech at the meeting of the Association of Cities with County Rights, "We must state that we do not want to be diverse and do not want to be mixed: we do not want our own colour, traditions and national culture to be mixed with those of others. We do not want this. We do not want that at all. We do not want to be a diverse country". Is that a value that you think the US already has, or should have?
>
>> The Lithuanians,
>> presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto.
>
> I haven't seem much of any change at all in Lithuania, culturally or politically. They've been a good ally of the US for decades - since they declared independence from the USSR. They are members in good standing of the EU, the UN, and NATO, and have free national health care. What is this "religion" you speak of?
>
>
>> Not so
>> much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
>> in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
>> suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
>> to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
>> is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
>> it is.
>
> Call it as you see it - When their economy collapses and they are taken over by some Islamic State variant, feel free to say 'I told you so'.
> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>
>
>

Belarus is importing jihadis on their state airline and
dumping them at the Lithuanian border:

https://apnews.com/article/europe-immigration-migration-belarus-lithuania-342b8c966e57c41f3ebf0bbd8b3d232e

Lithuania is a small and not rich country.

Hungary has a double-row tall razor wire complete border
barrier which has been very effective and enthusiastically
supported by the voters.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/17/2022 8:51 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings in
> Europe?

If we were talking about mere opinions, pulled Kunich-style out of their
nether orifices, perhaps you could justify ignoring them. But did you
miss the fact that those people were reacting to actual data? Their
opinions are reactions to _facts_.

And while I recognize that the right wing has no great love of facts,
the _facts_ are that in the matters discussed, U.S. policies and their
results compare dismally with most of western Europe's policies and
results.

In my mind, the most blatant examples are the policies regarding health
care, guns and income/wealth disparity - although you could certainly
add our policies on criminal justice, "defense" spending and many others
if you choose.

Medical treatment: The U.S. spends far, far more than any other
developed country. A far smaller portion of the population gets proper
medical care. Medical costs are a major factor in personal bankruptcies.
Our infant mortality rates are comparatively dismal. Our life
expectancies are not much better. We pay _way_ more and get much worse
results. How is that smart?

Gun policy: Any whacko can easily get as many guns as he wants that are
designed primarily for killing people. Sure, most are not used for that
purpose; they're used only for target practice to pretend to kill
people, or to keep in a drawer in case some other whacko barges into
your house with _his_ gun. But that's still the main reason the U.S.
firearm death rate is a dozen times worse than that of Europe.

Income/wealth disparity: Anyone with a glimmering of knowledge of
history should understand that societies do better if the poor don't
have their noses rubbed in the shit of the super-wealthy. Extreme
disparities generate crime and occasionally revolution, and in the U.S.
that usually involves those guns. When a punk who has to save up to buy
a McDonalds meal walks past an iPhone store or high-end jewelry store,
serious temptation isn't unlikely. It explains a lot of our crime rate.

What we've got, if you think about it, is a huge "natural experiment."
We've got different societies with different policies - specifically,
the U.S. vs. almost all other developed nations. It's smart to look at
the resulting data from this "natural experiment."

But that data looks bad for the U.S., at least to anyone who is willing
to remove their ideological blinders.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:08:42 PM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Funny, I read Lou's response as a sarcastic reply. I could be wrong, perhaps he would be willing to clarify.

It is better for me to only discuss bicycle matters with Mr.Muzi. It is what it is.

Lou

On 2/17/2022 6:03 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>   Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your
>>> trumpian talking points:
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>> I thought that was quite effective.
>
> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad? By
> golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when the
> clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>
> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist.  She's a prime
> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico! Alternatively,
> security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.

My, what a fact-free post!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 7:06:56 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:39:56 AM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:47:01 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> > > >>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > >>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
> > > >>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
> > > >>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
> > > >>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
> > > >>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
> > > >>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
> > > >>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
> > > >>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
> > > >>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
> > > >>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
> > > >>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
> > > >>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
> > > >>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> > > >>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> > > >>>
> > > >> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
> > > >> quislings in Europe?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
> > > > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
> > > >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
> > > >> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
> > > >
> > > > Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
> > > > "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> > > >
> > > Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
> > > very much aligned to US cultural values. The Lithuanians,
> > > presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto. Not so
> > > much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
> > > in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
> > > suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
> > > to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
> > > is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
> > > it is.
> > Thanks for that clarification. I was not quite sure.
> Because of the political turmoil here Andrew has been getting a bit upset.. I can forgive him and hope that you can as well. The subject of this group is bicycle.tech after all.
>
I understand how Andrew feels. After all, he's been paying his taxes like a good citizen for fifty-odd years, only to see president after president spend a good chunk of it on nations who not only were not grateful, but abusive, and pretended they were morally superior while not paying their bills and that the Americans should apologize for being born, which president after president did (well, between Nixon and Trump, anyway).

And, as an aside, Andrew is absolutely right about quislings, though they aren't Norwegians this time but Germans, and he's right about the reasons too. Germany's suicidal energy policy, based on zero science, is the reason that Germany is handing over Western Europe to the Russians, who will be in a position to dictate EU policy through the Germans, simply by threatening that "terrorists" will blow up the gas pipelines. Nobody will be under any illusion that the "terrorists" in question will be serving FSB officers who will receiv their orders from Colonel Vladimir Putin (KGB semi-retired) himself.

But that is merely the last in a line of betrayals of European humanism the German nation (actually nations) have perpetrated.

Andrew and I aren't the first to notice or to mention it. Jacques Barzun (nobody's right-winger, for those clowns on RBT who always want to argue personalities rather than policies) in his most important book, From Dawn to Decadence, proceeds from the safe assumption that the Renaissance was the high point of Western culture, and that the story since then has been downhill. Mark Steyn adds that the decline of a great empire can be a very comfortable period for those who live through it; no era in world history has had it as good as we have. But the problem is the demographics of abortion, and the absence of any desire to breed above the low-low "replacement" rate current in Europe, from which no nation has ever returned, and Merkel's stupid, guilt-ridden attempt to replace the children she and her contemporaries didn't breed with Islamic "refugees" who will kill our culture, and forcing more of these alien immigrants on everyone else, the root cause of Brexit and the revolt against German-made EU policy by Hungary etc.

The Germans in charge of the destruction of our culture don't need tanks. They own the EU, and in parts of the EU it is a criminal offense thoughtcrime to mention that the Germans are the bullies of the EU. Here's an example. The bondholders of a corporation, say a bank, is recompensed for the risk by being permitted to buy the bond at "a coupon rate", which is a discount on the face value. In law the stockholders and bondholders have no right against the bank. If the bank for any reason goes bankrupt, the bondholders have already been paid for the risk they took. When Irish banks crashed (in a property debacle I'd been forecasting for nearly two decades, and about which I'd written that the finance minister in charge should have been castrated so he couldn't breed any morons), the EU minions of Merkel said outright that they wouldn't bail out the Irish banks unless German bondholders were made good for their full purchase price of the bonds. This is a totalitarian undermining of a common economic principle with nothing hugely deleterious results, an absolute rolling clusterfuck that has made it impossible for the dicier European governments to borrow money from the usual sources, leading to ever-greater EU involvement in the financial markets, and government finances, cf Italy for a gross example. I remind you that the EU is a bunch of unelected bureaucrats, of no high quality, with extremely spotty and mostly incompetent oversight, and very often no oversight, wielding immense authority without punishment for errors, totally unaccountable. I'm in absolutely no doubt that neither Jean Monnet nor Konrad Adenauer, the men responsible for the founding of the EU, would have wanted the fascist state the EU has become -- they founded the EU as a barrier against overweening powers after their none too happy experiences of German, Italian and Russian totalitarianism (I don't see much difference between them, certainly no right-left divide).

On 2/17/2022 1:27 PM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:08:42 PM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Funny, I read Lou's response as a sarcastic reply. I could be wrong, perhaps he would be willing to clarify.
>
> It is better for me to only discuss bicycle matters with Mr.Muzi. It is what it is.

Agreed. Mr. Muzi knows a lot about bicycle matters.

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:16:27 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>
> Funkmariechen
>
Thanks for the giggle, Sepp. The little non-kulturny twerp will never get the pun in a foreign language. Don't translate for him; let him worry about it.
>
> "What is the sense of NATO? It is to keep the Americans in, the Russians
> out, and the Germans down."
> - Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay
>
Yes, and a very good idea it was too, when people remembered that the vindictive Peace of Versailles just about guaranteed another world war. But now the Germans have become so rich and powerful, they don't need tanks when they own the EU. The logical progression from where stand today is that Ismay's quip will be rewritten by a Russian.
>
Andre Jute
Still, it is better than the nuclear winter threatened by the fear-mongers back when I was a boy.

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 12:16:27 PM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all
> >>>>> your trumpian talking points:
> >>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans..html
> >>>> I thought that was quite effective.
> >>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man
> >>> Bad? By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just silently
> >>> cringe when the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error,
> >>> will you?
> >>
> >> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and
> >> the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic
> >> outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll
> >> find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion
> >> of trump.
> You confuse real thought with majority sentiment. Well done, Flunkie,
> you reliably keep scoring for the opposite team.
>
> >> Perhaps ask [Jute] to explain to you why he willingly followed his
> >> governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their
> >> socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing
> >> USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the
> >> same benefits he enjoys?
> AFAIR, Andre writes as a self-professed polemicist, not bound by your
> idea of reserving full freedom of expression to the factually and
> politically correct US resident. Unsurprisingly, you fail to notice
> that your complaint seems uncomfortably close to Tom's notion of US
> taxpayers enjoying full rbt privileges. Assumably, the old fellows,
> like elsewhere, followed a trusted doctor's advice before any Irish
> government orders. I will not blame the elderly, the obese, the frail,
> or the politically inexperienced for getting themselves experimentally
> injected.
> >>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains
> >>> missed the the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies: At 03:50
> >>> in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African Frenchie
> >>> acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun pointed
> >>> at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
> >>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
> >>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed
> >>> things up.
> >>
> >> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our
> >> resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost
> >> unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow
> >> make some sort of point is completely lost as a result. Seriously -
> >> unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make
> >> The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The
> >> Federalist Papers.
> Meister genius, you should worry more about looking so foolish against
> an aged, international polemicist and an aged, and brain-injured,
> Californian. And as an accountant, please try not to lecture anyone
> except Volkswagen or Pfizer on what a fictional parody might be.
>
> So here's the deal, Funkmariechen: The woke NYT's fat Belgian
> interviewee was the only one in that Erasmus millennial freakshow who
> looked like fun. Before moving to Brussels to ride paves on weekends,
> and to ride on silly roadside facilities each workday, you pass French
> proficiency tests, plus some Dutch lessons.
>
> >> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> >
> > Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings
> > in Europe?
> We'll disagree on who might be whose quisling, but when Lou can agree
> with above sentence, it can be considered consensual.
>
>
> --
> "What is the sense of NATO? It is to keep the Americans in, the Russians
> out, and the Germans down."
> - Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay

Our posting friend Russell is the bookkeeper and I applaud that although he is often incorrect he has at least the courage to be so under his own name.. Flunky has claimed at different times for be an engineer which he so plainly is not. At other times he has claimed to be a manager of technicians for which plainly he is underqualified but no doubt has the ego for.

While recovering from my concussion and resulting untreated seizures. I appeared to several people here to be bragging about my accomplishments when rather I was relearning my past and rather surprised by it. Why shouldn't I be impressed with accomplishments that would be the pride of a masters degree? Now that the engineering part of my memory has largely returned I find it somewhat humorous that companies would rather go broke than hire me because I don't have a degree. I have no need of a job, I am independently wealthy. I would apply only as a challenge.

Elon Musk really hasn't a real education. He has a BS in economics and a BA is physics. Rather backwards. His innate intelligence is the source of all of his accomplishments and not his education. Rather as proof of that, he was accepted at Stanford in a PhD program and dropped out after two days to get rich instead. One should probably ask - wasn't the point of education to be able to earn a descent living? And isn't getting rich proof of education?

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:21:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 8:51 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings in
> > Europe?
> If we were talking about mere opinions, pulled Kunich-style out of their
> nether orifices, perhaps you could justify ignoring them. But did you
> miss the fact that those people were reacting to actual data? Their
> opinions are reactions to _facts_.
>
> And while I recognize that the right wing has no great love of facts,
> the _facts_ are that in the matters discussed, U.S. policies and their
> results compare dismally with most of western Europe's policies and
> results.
>
> In my mind, the most blatant examples are the policies regarding health
> care, guns and income/wealth disparity - although you could certainly
> add our policies on criminal justice, "defense" spending and many others
> if you choose.
>
> Medical treatment: The U.S. spends far, far more than any other
> developed country. A far smaller portion of the population gets proper
> medical care. Medical costs are a major factor in personal bankruptcies.
> Our infant mortality rates are comparatively dismal. Our life
> expectancies are not much better. We pay _way_ more and get much worse
> results. How is that smart?
>
> Gun policy: Any whacko can easily get as many guns as he wants that are
> designed primarily for killing people. Sure, most are not used for that
> purpose; they're used only for target practice to pretend to kill
> people, or to keep in a drawer in case some other whacko barges into
> your house with _his_ gun. But that's still the main reason the U.S.
> firearm death rate is a dozen times worse than that of Europe.
>
> Income/wealth disparity: Anyone with a glimmering of knowledge of
> history should understand that societies do better if the poor don't
> have their noses rubbed in the shit of the super-wealthy. Extreme
> disparities generate crime and occasionally revolution, and in the U.S.
> that usually involves those guns. When a punk who has to save up to buy
> a McDonalds meal walks past an iPhone store or high-end jewelry store,
> serious temptation isn't unlikely. It explains a lot of our crime rate.
>
> What we've got, if you think about it, is a huge "natural experiment."
> We've got different societies with different policies - specifically,
> the U.S. vs. almost all other developed nations. It's smart to look at
> the resulting data from this "natural experiment."
>
> But that data looks bad for the U.S., at least to anyone who is willing
> to remove their ideological blinders.

Frank, you should at least attempt to stay on the rails. Yes, medical care is very expensive in the United States. Almost ALL of the medical advances in the world come the US and that is financed by the people who need and use it. A person in the US with your so-called "poor medical care" is generally healthier than people elsewhere save Europe and they are not healthier because of medical care but because of genetic conditioning. 1,000 plagues in a dense population tend to have survival of the fittest and not survival of those with the best medical care.

As for your fear of guns - I wonder why you couldn't look up just how dangerous the US is?

El Salvador (52.02 per 100k people)
Jamaica (43.85 per 100k people)
Lesotho (43.56 per 100k people)
Honduras (38.93 per 100k people)
Belize (37.79 per 100k people)
Venezuela (36.69 per 100k people)
Saint Vincent And the Grenadines (36.54 per 100k people)
South Africa (36.40 per 100k people)
Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.09 per 100k people)
Nigeria (34.52 per 100k people)
Brazil (30.8),
Venezuela (49.9),
Colombia (25)

The US has 17.2 despite having a very large racial difference.

Africa's rate came in at 13.0, but with the major caveat that "the raw statistics for many countries are not available." Similarly, Oceania posted an impressive rate of 2.8, but official homicide reports "tend to deviate substantially from information on violence contained in hospital records," suggesting that many homicides may be going unreported to the police. Finally, Europe (3.0) and Asia (2.3) displayed rates of less than half the global average.

Though little reported Russia is a higher murder rate than they report. China claims to not have murder and yet the Chinese gangs murder at will and they use torture and slaughter of children.

Japan is the country with the lowest rates of homicide. This is because murder is punished with hanging. And they NEVER defund the police.

You frown upon that.

You don't like disparity of income? Too bad. You don't have a say over that.. All of your comments amount to a small bowl of beans. There is someone with a very large set of ideological blinders and it is you.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 03:00:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:38:58 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 3:21:55 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:05:23 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 9:39:56 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > > > On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 4:46:34 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:22:44 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > > > > > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:02:16 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > See, it took me one click on the first page of search results to find
>> > > > > > > <https://www.spokeo.com/Richard-Hirschman/Alabama?loaded=1>
>> > > > > > > a data set nicely matching that embalmer in Alabama, which Jeff
>> > > > > > > supposedly could not. If we can convince Frank to drive to Alabama to
>> > > > > > > fact-check on Hirschie, he should also try to invite Tiffany Pontes
>> > > > > > > Dover for a tandem ride. You know, that disappeared Kentucky nurse who
>> > > > > > > is now said to file her taxes from Higdon, 1,500 souls, Jackson County, Ala.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > Franki-boy is three monkeys who see no truth, hear no truth, profess no truth. He routinely lies with statistics, and then acts offended when those with a better of statistics, or more honesty in our souls, straighten him out. Letting someone as dishonest as Krygowski, Scarfie, and the rest of the RBT thugs loose on excess fatality numbers is pisspoor practice, not because the statistics are difficult, but because the numbers are subtle beyond the imagination of such poorly educated and rigid people, and because to them a set of numbers is not judged on its illumination of facts but solely as buttress for the bee in their bonnets.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > <https://t.me/NeverImpfpflicht/635> A soviet party member type as the
>> > > > > > > hero is stupid in Western Europe, but might work with American antifa
>> > > > > > > Democrats.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > I've always wondered why some bright cartoonist didn't make a theme of Angela Merkel as the young Komsomol spokeswoman, the Prussian junior commissar, and assumed it was because she'd have her minions lock up the cartoonist.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > Andre Jute
>> > > > > > Science walks the streets at night, under the lamps of the Place de Laplace.
>> > > > > Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them? Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
>> > > > >
>> > > > Nah, the key to the Ugly American at Home or Abroad has always been his blithe unconsciousness of objectionable he is. The RBT Gang of Thugs were born Alinkskyites, not made. --- AJ
>> > > None of these people are bright enough to know who Sal Alinsky was nor how he was the one that taught the Republicans how to fight people like Obama. This in turn forced the Democrats to use election fraud to elect Biden and Biden has destroyed the Democrat Party. Today even the New York Times is seeing the writing on the walls. I doubt that there will be another Democrat elected to high office for at least 30 years. And the Chinese Communist Party will have destroyed itself by then and there will be no psych support for the Democrats so they will be doing good to elect another Jimmy Carter.
>> > >
>> > I wouldn't wish a resurrected Jimmy Carter on even the Donkey Party. That sanctimonious failure was probably the worst president until Joe the asterisk. -- AJ
>> Yes, but his absolute failures led to the Donkey's attempting to racialize everything and then putting in Joe* who has so destroyed his party that I will have 30 years of peace and I'll be gone by then but not before watching (gleefully) the prosecution of the Joe* regime and their 1,000's of years of combined prison time. Anyone that thinks that Trump is going to be so naïve his second term is sadly mistaken. As a businessman it never occurred to him that EVERY office of the government had been corrupted.
>
>BLah blah blah, you idiots said the same thing about hillary - that went real far...not only no prosecutions, not even an investigation until Durham was appointed (and no, sparky, the durham report does _not_ say the clinton campaign spied on the trump campaign https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/594456-did-durham-find-something-worse-than-watergate-not-so-far).
>
>Meanwhile...https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2022/02/16/why-its-no-surprise-trumps-accounting-firm-is-saying-his-financial-statements-are-unreliable/?sh=6f9672f57e39

And this morning's news has it that
Donald Trump must testify in New York investigation, judge rules

Judge Arthur Engoron on Thursday ordered Trump and his two eldest
children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr, to comply with subpoenas issued
in December by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is probing
Trump’s real estate development group.

and goes on to say

James has said her investigation has revealed evidence Trump’s company
used “fraudulent or misleading” valuations of assets like golf resorts
and skyscrapers to get loans and tax benefits. But, if Trump testifies
in the civil probe, anything he says could be used against him in the
criminal investigation, his lawyers said.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:07:11 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:21:35 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/17/2022 8:51 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >
> > > Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the quislings in
> > > Europe?
> > If we were talking about mere opinions, pulled Kunich-style out of their
> > nether orifices, perhaps you could justify ignoring them. But did you
> > miss the fact that those people were reacting to actual data? Their
> > opinions are reactions to _facts_.
> >
> > And while I recognize that the right wing has no great love of facts,
> > the _facts_ are that in the matters discussed, U.S. policies and their
> > results compare dismally with most of western Europe's policies and
> > results.
> >
> > In my mind, the most blatant examples are the policies regarding health
> > care, guns and income/wealth disparity - although you could certainly
> > add our policies on criminal justice, "defense" spending and many others
> > if you choose.
> >
> > Medical treatment: The U.S. spends far, far more than any other
> > developed country. A far smaller portion of the population gets proper
> > medical care. Medical costs are a major factor in personal bankruptcies..
> > Our infant mortality rates are comparatively dismal. Our life
> > expectancies are not much better. We pay _way_ more and get much worse
> > results. How is that smart?
> >
> > Gun policy: Any whacko can easily get as many guns as he wants that are
> > designed primarily for killing people. Sure, most are not used for that
> > purpose; they're used only for target practice to pretend to kill
> > people, or to keep in a drawer in case some other whacko barges into
> > your house with _his_ gun. But that's still the main reason the U.S.
> > firearm death rate is a dozen times worse than that of Europe.
> >
> > Income/wealth disparity: Anyone with a glimmering of knowledge of
> > history should understand that societies do better if the poor don't
> > have their noses rubbed in the shit of the super-wealthy. Extreme
> > disparities generate crime and occasionally revolution, and in the U.S.
> > that usually involves those guns. When a punk who has to save up to buy
> > a McDonalds meal walks past an iPhone store or high-end jewelry store,
> > serious temptation isn't unlikely. It explains a lot of our crime rate.
> >
> > What we've got, if you think about it, is a huge "natural experiment."
> > We've got different societies with different policies - specifically,
> > the U.S. vs. almost all other developed nations. It's smart to look at
> > the resulting data from this "natural experiment."
> >
> > But that data looks bad for the U.S., at least to anyone who is willing
> > to remove their ideological blinders.
> Frank, you should at least attempt to stay on the rails. Yes, medical care is very expensive in the United States. Almost ALL of the medical advances in the world come the US and that is financed by the people who need and use it. A person in the US with your so-called "poor medical care" is generally healthier than people elsewhere save Europe and they are not healthier because of medical care but because of genetic conditioning. 1,000 plagues in a dense population tend to have survival of the fittest and not survival of those with the best medical care.
>
> As for your fear of guns - I wonder why you couldn't look up just how dangerous the US is?
>
> El Salvador (52.02 per 100k people)
> Jamaica (43.85 per 100k people)
> Lesotho (43.56 per 100k people)
> Honduras (38.93 per 100k people)
> Belize (37.79 per 100k people)
> Venezuela (36.69 per 100k people)
> Saint Vincent And the Grenadines (36.54 per 100k people)
> South Africa (36.40 per 100k people)
> Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.09 per 100k people)
> Nigeria (34.52 per 100k people)
> Brazil (30.8),
> Venezuela (49.9),
> Colombia (25)
>
> The US has 17.2 despite having a very large racial difference.
>
> Africa's rate came in at 13.0, but with the major caveat that "the raw statistics for many countries are not available." Similarly, Oceania posted an impressive rate of 2.8, but official homicide reports "tend to deviate substantially from information on violence contained in hospital records," suggesting that many homicides may be going unreported to the police. Finally, Europe (3.0) and Asia (2.3) displayed rates of less than half the global average.
>
> Though little reported Russia is a higher murder rate than they report. China claims to not have murder and yet the Chinese gangs murder at will and they use torture and slaughter of children.
>
> Japan is the country with the lowest rates of homicide. This is because murder is punished with hanging. And they NEVER defund the police.
>
> You frown upon that.
>
> You don't like disparity of income? Too bad. You don't have a say over that. All of your comments amount to a small bowl of beans. There is someone with a very large set of ideological blinders and it is you.

This is the US of 2022. You have the same chance of getting rich that virtually everyone else does. Frank's dope dealer is richer than he is. Of that awful homicide rate that he cries about - 50% of it are caused by 7% of the population (blacks) and another 26% by Hispanic gangs that Frank is all for letting into this country.

Using those figures makes the overwhelming majority of Americans almost equal to the average of Europe in homicide rates. And let's please remember that violence in Europe also doesn't match hospital records. So Frank is flying high on his political ideologies with no real points on his arrows.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:51:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>
>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of Erdoğan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
>>
>>>
>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>
>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>
>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>
>
>Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>quislings in Europe?

Well, partly because y'all seem to want to shut down the Nord Stream 2
pipeline so you can keep them Ruskies out and sell more gas to Europe
(:-)

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:46:56 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>
>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>>>
>>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>>
>>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>>
>>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>>> quislings in Europe?
>>>
>>
>> Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
>>> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
>>
>> Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>
>
>
>Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
>very much aligned to US cultural values. The Lithuanians,
>presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto. Not so
>much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
>in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
>suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
>to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
>is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
>it is.

Don't forget that after 20 years the Afghanistanies finally kicked
your arse out of their country and now

"US announces more than $300M in Afghanistan aid amid winter disasters
The latest contribution brings the total amount of assistance from
Washington to Afghanistan and Afghan refugees in the region to nearly
$782 million since October..."

The book, "The Mouse That Roared" is not fiction.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/17/2022 6:34 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 03:00:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:38:58 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 3:21:55 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:05:23 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 9:39:56 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 4:46:34 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:22:44 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:02:16 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See, it took me one click on the first page of search results to find
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.spokeo.com/Richard-Hirschman/Alabama?loaded=1>
>>>>>>>>> a data set nicely matching that embalmer in Alabama, which Jeff
>>>>>>>>> supposedly could not. If we can convince Frank to drive to Alabama to
>>>>>>>>> fact-check on Hirschie, he should also try to invite Tiffany Pontes
>>>>>>>>> Dover for a tandem ride. You know, that disappeared Kentucky nurse who
>>>>>>>>> is now said to file her taxes from Higdon, 1,500 souls, Jackson County, Ala.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Franki-boy is three monkeys who see no truth, hear no truth, profess no truth. He routinely lies with statistics, and then acts offended when those with a better of statistics, or more honesty in our souls, straighten him out. Letting someone as dishonest as Krygowski, Scarfie, and the rest of the RBT thugs loose on excess fatality numbers is pisspoor practice, not because the statistics are difficult, but because the numbers are subtle beyond the imagination of such poorly educated and rigid people, and because to them a set of numbers is not judged on its illumination of facts but solely as buttress for the bee in their bonnets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://t.me/NeverImpfpflicht/635> A soviet party member type as the
>>>>>>>>> hero is stupid in Western Europe, but might work with American antifa
>>>>>>>>> Democrats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've always wondered why some bright cartoonist didn't make a theme of Angela Merkel as the young Komsomol spokeswoman, the Prussian junior commissar, and assumed it was because she'd have her minions lock up the cartoonist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>>>> Science walks the streets at night, under the lamps of the Place de Laplace.
>>>>>>> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them? Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, the key to the Ugly American at Home or Abroad has always been his blithe unconsciousness of objectionable he is. The RBT Gang of Thugs were born Alinkskyites, not made. --- AJ
>>>>> None of these people are bright enough to know who Sal Alinsky was nor how he was the one that taught the Republicans how to fight people like Obama. This in turn forced the Democrats to use election fraud to elect Biden and Biden has destroyed the Democrat Party. Today even the New York Times is seeing the writing on the walls. I doubt that there will be another Democrat elected to high office for at least 30 years. And the Chinese Communist Party will have destroyed itself by then and there will be no psych support for the Democrats so they will be doing good to elect another Jimmy Carter.
>>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't wish a resurrected Jimmy Carter on even the Donkey Party. That sanctimonious failure was probably the worst president until Joe the asterisk. -- AJ
>>> Yes, but his absolute failures led to the Donkey's attempting to racialize everything and then putting in Joe* who has so destroyed his party that I will have 30 years of peace and I'll be gone by then but not before watching (gleefully) the prosecution of the Joe* regime and their 1,000's of years of combined prison time. Anyone that thinks that Trump is going to be so naïve his second term is sadly mistaken. As a businessman it never occurred to him that EVERY office of the government had been corrupted.
>>
>> BLah blah blah, you idiots said the same thing about hillary - that went real far...not only no prosecutions, not even an investigation until Durham was appointed (and no, sparky, the durham report does _not_ say the clinton campaign spied on the trump campaign https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/594456-did-durham-find-something-worse-than-watergate-not-so-far).
>>
>> Meanwhile...https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2022/02/16/why-its-no-surprise-trumps-accounting-firm-is-saying-his-financial-statements-are-unreliable/?sh=6f9672f57e39
>
> And this morning's news has it that
> Donald Trump must testify in New York investigation, judge rules
>
> Judge Arthur Engoron on Thursday ordered Trump and his two eldest
> children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr, to comply with subpoenas issued
> in December by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is probing
> Trump’s real estate development group.
>
> and goes on to say
>
> James has said her investigation has revealed evidence Trump’s company
> used “fraudulent or misleading” valuations of assets like golf resorts
> and skyscrapers to get loans and tax benefits. But, if Trump testifies
> in the civil probe, anything he says could be used against him in the
> criminal investigation, his lawyers said.
>

It's a State of NY case from an AG who ran on the promise of
a Donald J Trump witch hunt and she's fulfilling her
campaign promise, facts be damned. NY already has his
purloined tax forms (for anyone else that's felonious) and
didn't find much of anything notable beyond employee use of
(clutch pearls here) company vehicle. OMG! That's never ever
happened anywhere before! pfft.

Besides which the real property records, assessments, code
violations, inspection records, complaints and taxes are all
public record. If there was a there there it would be
already known.

Anyone familiar with commercial real estate knows it's a
running series of artful presentations where the investors,
the banks, the tenants and the assessor all are given
different 'valuations' at different times. And he's not only
a pro, he prospered in that environment.

Quote me on this: This nth iteration of 'examining Trump
real estate' is going nowhere.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/17/2022 6:39 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:51:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>
>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>>
>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>
>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>
>>
>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>> quislings in Europe?
>
> Well, partly because y'all seem to want to shut down the Nord Stream 2
> pipeline so you can keep them Ruskies out and sell more gas to Europe
> (:-)
>

It is the official policy of the US of A at the moment that
our domestic energy industries ought to be crushed and
closed while Russia and The Kingdom prosper.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/17/2022 6:48 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:46:56 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>>>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>>>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>>>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>>>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>>>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>>>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>>>
>>>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>>>
>>>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>>>> quislings in Europe?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
>>>> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
>>>
>>> Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>
>>
>>
>> Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
>> very much aligned to US cultural values. The Lithuanians,
>> presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto. Not so
>> much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
>> in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
>> suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
>> to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
>> is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
>> it is.
>
> Don't forget that after 20 years the Afghanistanies finally kicked
> your arse out of their country and now
>
> "US announces more than $300M in Afghanistan aid amid winter disasters
> The latest contribution brings the total amount of assistance from
> Washington to Afghanistan and Afghan refugees in the region to nearly
> $782 million since October..."
>
> The book, "The Mouse That Roared" is not fiction.
>

Afghanis will see none of it. As usual.

The current Administration is paying that to the Persians to
pay the Taliban. Any fungible funding for Lebanese Hezbollah
missiles launched at Israel or Houthi missiles into Abu
Dhabi office buildings are coincidental. Nothing to see
here, move along.

After all , nothing's more efficient, targeted and useful
than a US Government cash giveaway:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/17/new-york-street-gang-members-busted-fraud-charges-/

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/21/criminals-have-stolen-nearly-100-billion-in-covid-relief-funds-secret-service.html

Both the Persian regime and the Taliban are quite
trustworthy. Just ask Antony Blinken!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:07:33 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 6:39 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:51:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>
>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of Erdoğan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>>>
>>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>>
>>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>>> quislings in Europe?
>>
>> Well, partly because y'all seem to want to shut down the Nord Stream 2
>> pipeline so you can keep them Ruskies out and sell more gas to Europe
>> (:-)
>>
>
>It is the official policy of the US of A at the moment that
>our domestic energy industries ought to be crushed and
>closed while Russia and The Kingdom prosper.

I have no idea about current U.S. energy policies, but traveling half
way round the world to oppose a pipeline being built by a foreign
country in several other foreign countries seems.... well a little
dictatorial, does it not?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:15:42 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 6:48 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:46:56 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/17/2022 11:11 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:51:15 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>>>>>>>> I thought that was quite effective.
>>>>>>> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>>>>>>> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>>>>>>> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>>>>>>> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>>>>>>> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>>>>>>> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>>>>>>> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>>>>>>> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>>>>>>> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>>>>>> Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>>>>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>>>>> quislings in Europe?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dunno Andrew, why don't you ask tommy, he seems to think it's important:
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/M7b2JIDg0Xk/m/UxV8k3V1BgAJ
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:46:34 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them?
>>>>> Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever... now we know what your opinion of the greater populace of Europe is anyway. Hint: it's helpful when dealing with people your trying to establishing trade and security agreements with to _not_ refer to them as 'quislings'. Mutual respect is a much better tack in those areas.
>>>> "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Call it as you see it but IMHO the Poles and Magyars are
>>> very much aligned to US cultural values. The Lithuanians,
>>> presently under attack, are getting religion, pronto. Not so
>>> much for Germany who has no principles beyond selling cars
>>> in china and buying Russian energy to offset their national
>>> suicide energy policies. Oh, and they're big on selling rope
>>> to the Persians, unaware of who will be hanged. 'EU policy'
>>> is whatever the current Chancellor of All The Germans says
>>> it is.
>>
>> Don't forget that after 20 years the Afghanistanies finally kicked
>> your arse out of their country and now
>>
>> "US announces more than $300M in Afghanistan aid amid winter disasters
>> The latest contribution brings the total amount of assistance from
>> Washington to Afghanistan and Afghan refugees in the region to nearly
>> $782 million since October..."
>>
>> The book, "The Mouse That Roared" is not fiction.
>>
>
>Afghanis will see none of it. As usual.
>
>The current Administration is paying that to the Persians to
>pay the Taliban. Any fungible funding for Lebanese Hezbollah
>missiles launched at Israel or Houthi missiles into Abu
>Dhabi office buildings are coincidental. Nothing to see
>here, move along.
>
>After all , nothing's more efficient, targeted and useful
>than a US Government cash giveaway:
>
>https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/17/new-york-street-gang-members-busted-fraud-charges-/
>
>https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/21/criminals-have-stolen-nearly-100-billion-in-covid-relief-funds-secret-service.html
>
>Both the Persian regime and the Taliban are quite
>trustworthy. Just ask Antony Blinken!

By Persia I assume that you are referring to Iran. but I don't see
large bundles of money being given to Iran and forwarded to
Afghanistan.

The Telaban is now the de facto ruler of Afghanistan and I've read
several reports on Telaban financing and I see assumed support from
Pakistan Russia, Qatar and Saudi Arabia - estimated to be, perhaps,
$140 million, The Opium trade is estimated to bring in at least $416
million, mining and minerals - possible as much as $ 464 million, and
taxes, etc, perhaps $160 million.

And, of course the U.S. but they weren't included in the estimates I
quoted above but I did read a rather vague about the U.S. releasing
some sort of scansions on Iran if...

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 2:04:44 AM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 6:34 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 03:00:53 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> > <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:38:58 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 3:21:55 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 10:05:23 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 9:39:56 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 4:46:34 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 3:22:44 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:02:16 PM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> See, it took me one click on the first page of search results to find
> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.spokeo.com/Richard-Hirschman/Alabama?loaded=1>
> >>>>>>>>> a data set nicely matching that embalmer in Alabama, which Jeff
> >>>>>>>>> supposedly could not. If we can convince Frank to drive to Alabama to
> >>>>>>>>> fact-check on Hirschie, he should also try to invite Tiffany Pontes
> >>>>>>>>> Dover for a tandem ride. You know, that disappeared Kentucky nurse who
> >>>>>>>>> is now said to file her taxes from Higdon, 1,500 souls, Jackson County, Ala.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Franki-boy is three monkeys who see no truth, hear no truth, profess no truth. He routinely lies with statistics, and then acts offended when those with a better of statistics, or more honesty in our souls, straighten him out. Letting someone as dishonest as Krygowski, Scarfie, and the rest of the RBT thugs loose on excess fatality numbers is pisspoor practice, not because the statistics are difficult, but because the numbers are subtle beyond the imagination of such poorly educated and rigid people, and because to them a set of numbers is not judged on its illumination of facts but solely as buttress for the bee in their bonnets.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <https://t.me/NeverImpfpflicht/635> A soviet party member type as the
> >>>>>>>>> hero is stupid in Western Europe, but might work with American antifa
> >>>>>>>>> Democrats.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've always wondered why some bright cartoonist didn't make a theme of Angela Merkel as the young Komsomol spokeswoman, the Prussian junior commissar, and assumed it was because she'd have her minions lock up the cartoonist.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Andre Jute
> >>>>>>>> Science walks the streets at night, under the lamps of the Place de Laplace.
> >>>>>>> Do you suppose that the loud mouths here find it embarrassing to see what the rest of the world thinks of them? Nahh, people like Russell and Flunky pretend that it never happened.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nah, the key to the Ugly American at Home or Abroad has always been his blithe unconsciousness of objectionable he is. The RBT Gang of Thugs were born Alinkskyites, not made. --- AJ
> >>>>> None of these people are bright enough to know who Sal Alinsky was nor how he was the one that taught the Republicans how to fight people like Obama. This in turn forced the Democrats to use election fraud to elect Biden and Biden has destroyed the Democrat Party. Today even the New York Times is seeing the writing on the walls. I doubt that there will be another Democrat elected to high office for at least 30 years. And the Chinese Communist Party will have destroyed itself by then and there will be no psych support for the Democrats so they will be doing good to elect another Jimmy Carter.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I wouldn't wish a resurrected Jimmy Carter on even the Donkey Party. That sanctimonious failure was probably the worst president until Joe the asterisk. -- AJ
> >>> Yes, but his absolute failures led to the Donkey's attempting to racialize everything and then putting in Joe* who has so destroyed his party that I will have 30 years of peace and I'll be gone by then but not before watching (gleefully) the prosecution of the Joe* regime and their 1,000's of years of combined prison time. Anyone that thinks that Trump is going to be so naïve his second term is sadly mistaken. As a businessman it never occurred to him that EVERY office of the government had been corrupted.
> >>
> >> BLah blah blah, you idiots said the same thing about hillary - that went real far...not only no prosecutions, not even an investigation until Durham was appointed (and no, sparky, the durham report does _not_ say the clinton campaign spied on the trump campaign https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/594456-did-durham-find-something-worse-than-watergate-not-so-far).
> >>
> >> Meanwhile...https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2022/02/16/why-its-no-surprise-trumps-accounting-firm-is-saying-his-financial-statements-are-unreliable/?sh=6f9672f57e39
> >
> > And this morning's news has it that
> > Donald Trump must testify in New York investigation, judge rules
> >
> > Judge Arthur Engoron on Thursday ordered Trump and his two eldest
> > children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr, to comply with subpoenas issued
> > in December by New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is probing
> > Trump’s real estate development group.
> >
> > and goes on to say
> >
> > James has said her investigation has revealed evidence Trump’s company
> > used “fraudulent or misleading” valuations of assets like golf resorts
> > and skyscrapers to get loans and tax benefits. But, if Trump testifies
> > in the civil probe, anything he says could be used against him in the
> > criminal investigation, his lawyers said.
> >
> It's a State of NY case from an AG who ran on the promise of
> a Donald J Trump witch hunt and she's fulfilling her
> campaign promise, facts be damned. NY already has his
> purloined tax forms (for anyone else that's felonious) and
> didn't find much of anything notable beyond employee use of
> (clutch pearls here) company vehicle. OMG! That's never ever
> happened anywhere before! pfft.
>
Pfffttt indeed. When I worked in advertising, my contract gave me a big car (generally Mercedes; I revolted when they tried to give me a big soft Rolls when we briefly had something to do with their promotion -- it wasn't until a lotta years later that I fell in love with the Bentley Turbo )with a driver, and a car of my own choice (which were Porsche, several, Jensen Interceptor, Aston Martin Vantage, Citroen SM, Iso Rivolta, Maserati, and suchlike) to drive over weekends, and the same when I worked at the foreign offices. I've never had a job where a car didn't come with the job. A judge who allows petty crap like driving company cars over weekends will be a laughing stock.
>
> Besides which the real property records, assessments, code
> violations, inspection records, complaints and taxes are all
> public record. If there was a there there it would be
> already known.
>
> Anyone familiar with commercial real estate knows it's a
> running series of artful presentations where the investors,
> the banks, the tenants and the assessor all are given
> different 'valuations' at different times. And he's not only
> a pro, he prospered in that environment.
>
> Quote me on this: This nth iteration of 'examining Trump
> real estate' is going nowhere.
>
There'll be some petty crap and a Democrat judge salivatingly reproving Mr Trump for it, and then the idiots in the Donkey Party will impeach him for it, because it will at least be more real than their first two attempts.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
Andre Jute
While the rest of us laugh our heads off.

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 7:51:15 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> >> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
> >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
> >>> I thought that was quite effective.
> >> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
> >> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
> >> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
> >
> > Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
> >
> >>
> >> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
> >> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
> >> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
> >> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
> >> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
> >> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
> >> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up..
> >
> > Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
> > Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
> >
> > *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> > "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> >
> Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
> quislings in Europe?
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I think its important to listen and understand everyone's opinion about many different matters. Even the Republicans do have some valid points. An example. In the 1950s and 60s and 70s, the USA blindly supported the Shah of Iran. We did not listen or pay attention to the subjects of Iran. We did not care about their opinion. But the Ayatollah did listen to their opinion. And from about 1979 until today, Iran has been a sore point in the USA. It is very likely we could have easily prevented this.