On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:36:24 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/19/2022 6:35 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 6:12:16 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 17:16:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2022 10:21 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> George Floyd ate a bag of fentanyl when police inquired about his having
>>>>> passed counterfeit currency. His companions all quietly waited as
>>>>> instructed and did not resist police inquiry. They are alive today. As
>>>>> he overdosed, he begins the 'I can't breathe' routine at initial
>>>>> conversation before any physical contact. Floyd violently resisted
>>>>> arrest, even smashing his way out of a police car twice after being
>>>>> handcuffed. Post mortem, he still had several lethal doses worth of
>>>>> undigested dope in his stomach. Take forty minutes to view the entire
>>>>> set of body cam footage. His death and the officer's conviction are not
>>>>> at all so clear as some believe.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56670912
>>>>
>>>> Competent cops can restrain a man without killing him.
>>> Are you sure? and does your method guarantee restraint with no
>>> possibility of accidental death?
>>>
>>> In the George Floyd case mentioned above the police had arrested him,
>>> handcuffed him and put him in the back seat of the "Cruiser". Floyd
>>> then broke out of the car and attempted to run away.The police officer
>>> then - I'm guessing here - attempted to put a modified "choke hold" on
>>> Floyd, a hold that restricts blood flow to the brain and is, or was,
>>> taught in most, perhaps all, police and military training. And he
>>> died.
>>>
>>> What would you have done differently.
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John B.
>>
>> You are saying Floyd was handcuffed when the cops choked him to death? Why were they using a choke hold on him? If he was running away, escaping, while handcuffed, they could have just tripped him. Handcuffed people are not considered dangerous. What you are describing here is kind of like if a criminal is locked up in a jail cell in the police station. And the cop is worried, afraid, of the criminal. So he pulls out his gun and shoots the criminal inside the jail cell. Are you for that?
>>
>
>Watch the various bodycam videos. That will take some time
>as they are long and there are four videos.
>
>Mr Floyd smashed his way out of the police cruiser twice
>while handcuffed. Two (assumingly not amidst an OD) strong
>policemen had great difficulty getting Mr Floyd into the
>cruiser both times.

It might be noted that George Floyd was 6'6" tall, weight about 240
lbs and worked, at least part time, as a "Bouncer" at a night club so
apparently was in fairly good shape.

Perhaps a bit difficult to manage.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:31:05 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/19/2022 5:52 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 01:32:40 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 11:22:47 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 20:41:12 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>>>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 8:13:20 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/18/2022 5:15 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for writing traffic tickets to get money, many many many police forces do this a lot. Its a big complaint against police. I am for enforcing the traffic laws. But if/when the police go the extra mile and use it as a means of enhancing their revenue and taking people's cars and property just because they can, then I am against this.
>>>>>> I'm in favor of enforcing traffic laws to get money, assuming the
>>>>>> offenders have actually broken a traffic law.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I am talking about is the often reported instances of a police pulling over someone for expired tags on their plates. Something minor. Even if the driver is obeying the traffic laws. Now I agree a law is being broken because the tags are expired. Kids jaywalking in the middle of the block and not at the crosswalks is illegal too. Cops should ticket every kid in town. And when the cops stop the driver, they arrest, confiscate the contents of the car and sell it at auction and keep the money. And take the wallet from the driver and keep the money. And the above scenario is also reported to happen far more to black drivers than white drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am all for enforcing the laws. Traffic and otherwise. But it can and does get out of hand and go beyond simply keeping people safe. I am not for that.
>>>> Your argument is still illogical at best. Vehicle registration is, to
>>>> some extent, a means of paying the government to organize things. Like
>>>> taxes.As well as a method of identifying the vehicle.
>>>>
>>>> So if having up to date tags on your car is like paying taxes and
>>>> never mind if you don't pay for up to date car registration try not
>>>> paying you income tax. Or go to the cops and tell them your car was
>>>> stolen and when they ask for the registration tell 'em you don't have
>>>> any.
>>>>
>>>> You are like a lot of other people. "Speeding ? Don't worry about
>>>> they, I always speed. The speed limits are foolish!" Then someone who
>>>> is driving too fast runs over your kid at the school crosswalk and it
>>>> is a whole different story.
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> John B.
>>>
>>> For some reason you missed the point I was making. Here in the USA we have this notion that you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Cops require a reason to arrest someone. Cops require a search warrant to search homes. Not sure how vehicles work for searches. I think its called probable cause. The idea of cops needing a reason to arrest or search someone. They cannot just stop anyone and interrogate them. I suspect things work differently in Russia. Cops pulling over someone for expired tags or for jaywalking. Law breakers. And then using that to arrest, interrogate, search, confiscate, etc. That is the part where the cops get out of hand and carry it too far portion. Long ago, decades ago, when the speed limit was only 55 mph. You could more or less drive 60 without any worries of being pulled over for speeding. Even though technically you were speeding at 56 and above. But minor speeding was overlooked by the cops or highway patrol.
>>
>> And once again you are "running all around
>> Robin Hood's barn" and missing the point. If your vehicle registration
>> has expired you are in violation of the law and it is perfectly lawful
>> for the police to stop you. In fact I suspect a police officer would
>> be admonished for not stopping the vehicle.
>>
>> Note: A guilty finding in Massachusetts on a charge of operating an
>> unregistered vehicle carries with it the penalties or a license
>> suspension for 60 days, as well as significant insurance penalty and
>> other potential costs. For a second offense charge, they will suspend
>> your license for a year.
>>
>
>Well we have curious USA ethnic customs besides laws:
>
>https://nypost.com/2022/04/15/michigan-cop-killed-patrick-lyoya-like-an-animal-family-says/
>
>
>Most of us here know to speak politely, take the ticket, and
>pursue the argument with the judge later.

The article, like a lot of news doesn't contain much information. For
example, "the registration didn't match the vehicle"? Was the car
stolen? Had it been used in the commission of another crime? Was there
material or substances in the vehicle that might have led to criminal
charges?

Or did the guy just feel frisky that day and decided to attack the
Cop?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:42:19 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/19/2022 7:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:01:07 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/18/2022 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 21:13:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/18/2022 5:15 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for writing traffic tickets to get money, many many many police forces do this a lot. Its a big complaint against police. I am for enforcing the traffic laws. But if/when the police go the extra mile and use it as a means of enhancing their revenue and taking people's cars and property just because they can, then I am against this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm in favor of enforcing traffic laws to get money, assuming the
>>>>> offenders have actually broken a traffic law.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I see it, a certain amount of money is required to maintain
>>>>> civilization. It has to come from somebody. Why should law breakers not
>>>>> be asked to pay a bit extra? They are perfectly legitimate targets.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they don't like it, their choice should be obvious. Just obey the laws.
>>>>
>>>> Somewhere, maybe Georgia, I was told that police officers were paid,
>>>> awarded?, a portion of any fines paid by those who they arrested. And
>>>> why not, it would certainly influence police to be more interested in
>>>> their job.
>>>>
>>>> But to be honest, the average citizen doesn't have a clue what the
>>>> Police are doing. they get their knowledge, usually, from lurid news
>>>> articles. After all the fact that the Police stopped and fined some 75
>>>> people speeding in school zones and as a result now no one speeds past
>>>> the grade school, doesn't make exciting reading while a police
>>>> shooting? Wow!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, there are excesses:
>>> https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/02/legalized-theft-civil-asset-forfeiture-out-of-control-in-america/
>>>
>>> But police wrongful homicides of black citizens are a
>>> minuscule outlier (still wrong, just note they are extremely
>>> rare) being something around twenty per year out of some 90
>>> million police stops.
>>
>> I believe that forfeiture of goods and assets used in, or abetting,
>> the committing of a crime is a matter of both federal and state laws.
>> Is it not?
>>
>
>The Civil Forfeiture provision allows enforcement agencies
>to confiscate without a warrant, a judge's order or a court
>finding. As one might well imagine, it's subject to
>astounding levels of abuse.

Yes, I just read the actual Federal law and it is shocking.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 7:25:58 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 4:16 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 4/19/2022 10:21 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> > George Floyd ate a bag of fentanyl when police inquired
> >> about his having passed counterfeit currency. His
> >> companions all quietly waited as instructed and did not
> >> resist police inquiry. They are alive today. As he
> >> overdosed, he begins the 'I can't breathe' routine at
> >> initial conversation before any physical contact. Floyd
> >> violently resisted arrest, even smashing his way out of a
> >> police car twice after being handcuffed.Ā Post mortem, he
> >> still had several lethal doses worth of undigested dope in
> >> his stomach. Take forty minutes to view the entire set of
> >> body cam footage. His death and the officer's conviction
> >> are not at all so clear as some believe.
> >
> > https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/
> >
> >
> > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56670912
> >
> > Competent cops can restrain a man without killing him.
> >
> >
> Yes, that's true. I only noted that there are multiple
> mitigating facts clouding a simple conclusion in this
> convoluted incident.

We can all be absolutely certain of that because Frank is a competent cop.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 7:32:37 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 17:16:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/19/2022 10:21 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>
> >>> George Floyd ate a bag of fentanyl when police inquired about his having
> >>> passed counterfeit currency. His companions all quietly waited as
> >>> instructed and did not resist police inquiry. They are alive today. As
> >>> he overdosed, he begins the 'I can't breathe' routine at initial
> >>> conversation before any physical contact. Floyd violently resisted
> >>> arrest, even smashing his way out of a police car twice after being
> >>> handcuffed. Post mortem, he still had several lethal doses worth of
> >>> undigested dope in his stomach. Take forty minutes to view the entire
> >>> set of body cam footage. His death and the officer's conviction are not
> >>> at all so clear as some believe.
> >>
> >> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/
> >>
> >> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56670912
> >>
> >> Competent cops can restrain a man without killing him.
> >
> > Are you sure? and does your method guarantee restraint with no
> > possibility of accidental death?
> >
> > In the George Floyd case mentioned above the police had arrested him,
> > handcuffed him and put him in the back seat of the "Cruiser". Floyd
> > then broke out of the car and attempted to run away.The police officer
> > then - I'm guessing here - attempted to put a modified "choke hold" on
> > Floyd, a hold that restricts blood flow to the brain and is, or was,
> > taught in most, perhaps all, police and military training. And he
> > died.
> >
> > What would you have done differently.
> >
> As many taser jolts as needed to get compliance.
Drugs like fentanyl corrode the heart muscle and those taser kill people all the time. That is why they too are to be used very judiciously. Several states classify tasers as lethal weapons.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 7:40:16 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 6:53 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 11:38:00 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/19/2022 9:58 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> >>> Am 19.04.2022 um 16:01 schrieb AMuzi:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, there are excesses:
> >>>> https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/02/legalized-theft-civil-asset-forfeiture-out-of-control-in-america/
> >>>>
> >>>> But police wrongful homicides of black citizens are a
> >>>> minuscule outlier (still wrong, just note they are
> >>>> extremely rare) being something around twenty per year out
> >>>> of some 90 million police stops.
> >>>
> >>> I think the better base of comparison would be "police
> >>> wrongful homicides of black citizens out of police homicides
> >>> of black citizens".
> >>>
> >>> How does this compare to "police wrongful homicides of
> >>> citizens out of police homicides of citizens"?
> >>>
> >>> Rolf
> >>
> >> Without engaging skin color, can we agree that shooting at
> >> police and then taking a fatal second place at the two-way
> >> range is a different thing altogether?
> >
> > I think that the point that is missed by most observers of "police
> > brutality" is that the observer is not commonly placed in a situation
> > where he might be killed by who ever they are dealing with. I have
> > been and I can assure you that your immediate reaction is to do
> > whatever you can to avoid it.
> >
> > As the saying has it, "it concentrates the mind wonderfully well" :-)
> >
> +1
>
> As with calmly plinking targets as opposed to returning fire
> from an awkward position, at night, against an obscured
> source, spontaneously, at a two-way range, hopped up on
> adrenaline. Life and television are utterly different.

Not to Frank as you've seen. If you cannot have the perfect outcome every time you're not a competent cop. Take George Floyd for example. Do you actually think that he sat on Floyd like that because he had nothing better to do? At that time he was surrounded by an increasing crowd and his fellow officers had everything they could to keep the crowd from attacking the officers. High stress levels lead to poor decisions.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 7:42:23 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/19/2022 7:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:01:07 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/18/2022 8:42 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 21:13:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 4/18/2022 5:15 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for writing traffic tickets to get money, many many many police forces do this a lot. Its a big complaint against police. I am for enforcing the traffic laws. But if/when the police go the extra mile and use it as a means of enhancing their revenue and taking people's cars and property just because they can, then I am against this.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm in favor of enforcing traffic laws to get money, assuming the
> >>>> offenders have actually broken a traffic law.
> >>>>
> >>>> As I see it, a certain amount of money is required to maintain
> >>>> civilization. It has to come from somebody. Why should law breakers not
> >>>> be asked to pay a bit extra? They are perfectly legitimate targets.
> >>>>
> >>>> If they don't like it, their choice should be obvious. Just obey the laws.
> >>>
> >>> Somewhere, maybe Georgia, I was told that police officers were paid,
> >>> awarded?, a portion of any fines paid by those who they arrested. And
> >>> why not, it would certainly influence police to be more interested in
> >>> their job.
> >>>
> >>> But to be honest, the average citizen doesn't have a clue what the
> >>> Police are doing. they get their knowledge, usually, from lurid news
> >>> articles. After all the fact that the Police stopped and fined some 75
> >>> people speeding in school zones and as a result now no one speeds past
> >>> the grade school, doesn't make exciting reading while a police
> >>> shooting? Wow!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, there are excesses:
> >> https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/02/legalized-theft-civil-asset-forfeiture-out-of-control-in-america/
> >>
> >> But police wrongful homicides of black citizens are a
> >> minuscule outlier (still wrong, just note they are extremely
> >> rare) being something around twenty per year out of some 90
> >> million police stops.
> >
> > I believe that forfeiture of goods and assets used in, or abetting,
> > the committing of a crime is a matter of both federal and state laws.
> > Is it not?
> >
> The Civil Forfeiture provision allows enforcement agencies
> to confiscate without a warrant, a judge's order or a court
> finding. As one might well imagine, it's subject to
> astounding levels of abuse.

Do you have examples of this abuse? Forfeiture of cars being used to endanger neighborhoods? Money from illegal sources that would otherwise be used to cause increasingly larger crimes? YOU have been shop lifted and what do you believe the proceeds from that was used for?

On 4/19/2022 11:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:32:33 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2022 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 17:16:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2022 10:21 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> George Floyd ate a bag of fentanyl when police inquired about his having
>>>>> passed counterfeit currency. His companions all quietly waited as
>>>>> instructed and did not resist police inquiry. They are alive today. As
>>>>> he overdosed, he begins the 'I can't breathe' routine at initial
>>>>> conversation before any physical contact. Floyd violently resisted
>>>>> arrest, even smashing his way out of a police car twice after being
>>>>> handcuffed. Post mortem, he still had several lethal doses worth of
>>>>> undigested dope in his stomach. Take forty minutes to view the entire
>>>>> set of body cam footage. His death and the officer's conviction are not
>>>>> at all so clear as some believe.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56670912
>>>>
>>>> Competent cops can restrain a man without killing him.
>>>
>>> Are you sure? and does your method guarantee restraint with no
>>> possibility of accidental death?
>>>
>>> In the George Floyd case mentioned above the police had arrested him,
>>> handcuffed him and put him in the back seat of the "Cruiser". Floyd
>>> then broke out of the car and attempted to run away.The police officer
>>> then - I'm guessing here - attempted to put a modified "choke hold" on
>>> Floyd, a hold that restricts blood flow to the brain and is, or was,
>>> taught in most, perhaps all, police and military training. And he
>>> died.
>>>
>>> What would you have done differently.
>>>
>>
>> As many taser jolts as needed to get compliance.
>
> Nope, wrong :-)
>
> "according to a 2012 research published in the American Heart
> Association journal Circulation. In the United States in 2018, at
> least 49 individuals died after being shocked with a Taser by police.
> https://staminacomfort.com/can-a-police-taser-kill-you

ISTM that like many people who complain about the police, you are
demanding 100% perfection from them. You do not seem to be demanding
100% perfect behavior from the "alleged" lawbreakers.

Tasers are not perfectly benign, but then, nothing is. A handcuffed
suspect may be able to sprint away, then trip and hit his head and die.
(Unless, of course, if he were wearing a bike helmet!) Does that mean
nobody should use handcuffs?

As to what I would do: First, instead of speculating, I'd go through
some serious training, at least a Police Academy, to learn what
restraint methods they teach. Then I'd get commissioned as a police
officer. Then I'd proceed as I was trained, assuming the trainers were
halfway competent. But since I haven't done that, I'll note that
Andrew's taser suggestion sounds reasonable to me.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 4/19/2022 7:38 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 4:20:07 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/18/2022 11:32 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> The number of criminals and criminal tendency is equal for the races.
>> I don't think you've proven that.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> No I have not. I am awaiting your argument for the contradiction.

According to https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf
Blacks and Native Americans are over-represented in most crime
categories. White, Hispanic and Asian folks are underrepresented.

We can speculate about why (and I do not think it's some genetic factor)
but there do seem to be differences.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 4/20/2022 9:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 7:40:16 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> As with calmly plinking targets as opposed to returning fire
>> from an awkward position, at night, against an obscured
>> source, spontaneously, at a two-way range, hopped up on
>> adrenaline. Life and television are utterly different.
>
> Not to Frank as you've seen.

As is often the case, I don't know if Tom's problem is horrible reading
comprehension, or if he's once again just arguing against what he wishes
I said.

Try quoting me, Tom, to argue against what I've _actually_ said.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 6:42:18 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 7:25:58 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 4/19/2022 4:16 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 4/19/2022 10:21 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> > George Floyd ate a bag of fentanyl when police inquired
> > >> about his having passed counterfeit currency. His
> > >> companions all quietly waited as instructed and did not
> > >> resist police inquiry. They are alive today. As he
> > >> overdosed, he begins the 'I can't breathe' routine at
> > >> initial conversation before any physical contact. Floyd
> > >> violently resisted arrest, even smashing his way out of a
> > >> police car twice after being handcuffed.Ā Post mortem, he
> > >> still had several lethal doses worth of undigested dope in
> > >> his stomach. Take forty minutes to view the entire set of
> > >> body cam footage. His death and the officer's conviction
> > >> are not at all so clear as some believe.
> > >
> > > https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/
> > >
> > >
> > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56670912
> > >
> > > Competent cops can restrain a man without killing him.
> > >
> > >
> > Yes, that's true. I only noted that there are multiple
> > mitigating facts clouding a simple conclusion in this
> > convoluted incident.
> We can all be absolutely certain of that because Frank is a competent cop..

If you read this report you end up with the most preposterous claims. 1. George Floyd being held down while under restraint was too much for his seriously weakened heart 2. But a level of drugs in his system equal to common amounts in people with strong hearts that are driving so badly that they are pulled over and issued DUI's was not a serious threat to his life. Does any of this make sense? This appears to me to be a jury that was simply ready to throw this man in prison for breathing the same air as anyone else.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:29:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/19/2022 11:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 21:32:33 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2022 6:12 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 17:16:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/19/2022 10:21 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> George Floyd ate a bag of fentanyl when police inquired about his having
>>>>>> passed counterfeit currency. His companions all quietly waited as
>>>>>> instructed and did not resist police inquiry. They are alive today. As
>>>>>> he overdosed, he begins the 'I can't breathe' routine at initial
>>>>>> conversation before any physical contact. Floyd violently resisted
>>>>>> arrest, even smashing his way out of a police car twice after being
>>>>>> handcuffed. Post mortem, he still had several lethal doses worth of
>>>>>> undigested dope in his stomach. Take forty minutes to view the entire
>>>>>> set of body cam footage. His death and the officer's conviction are not
>>>>>> at all so clear as some believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/21/fact-check-george-floyd-autopsy-ruled-his-death-homicide/7317557002/
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56670912
>>>>>
>>>>> Competent cops can restrain a man without killing him.
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure? and does your method guarantee restraint with no
>>>> possibility of accidental death?
>>>>
>>>> In the George Floyd case mentioned above the police had arrested him,
>>>> handcuffed him and put him in the back seat of the "Cruiser". Floyd
>>>> then broke out of the car and attempted to run away.The police officer
>>>> then - I'm guessing here - attempted to put a modified "choke hold" on
>>>> Floyd, a hold that restricts blood flow to the brain and is, or was,
>>>> taught in most, perhaps all, police and military training. And he
>>>> died.
>>>>
>>>> What would you have done differently.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As many taser jolts as needed to get compliance.
>>
>> Nope, wrong :-)
>>
>> "according to a 2012 research published in the American Heart
>> Association journal Circulation. In the United States in 2018, at
>> least 49 individuals died after being shocked with a Taser by police.
>> https://staminacomfort.com/can-a-police-taser-kill-you
>
>ISTM that like many people who complain about the police, you are
>demanding 100% perfection from them. You do not seem to be demanding
>100% perfect behavior from the "alleged" lawbreakers.
>
>Tasers are not perfectly benign, but then, nothing is. A handcuffed
>suspect may be able to sprint away, then trip and hit his head and die.
>(Unless, of course, if he were wearing a bike helmet!) Does that mean
>nobody should use handcuffs?
>
>As to what I would do: First, instead of speculating, I'd go through
>some serious training, at least a Police Academy, to learn what
>restraint methods they teach. Then I'd get commissioned as a police
>officer. Then I'd proceed as I was trained, assuming the trainers were
>halfway competent. But since I haven't done that, I'll note that
>Andrew's taser suggestion sounds reasonable to me.

One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".

I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and I didn't attack
the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite a number of
others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't attack the officer
or try to run away.

But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems, at least from
what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just that, Either
tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
> >
> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>
> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and I didn't attack
> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite a number of
> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't attack the officer
> or try to run away.
>
> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems, at least from
> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just that, Either
> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?

Why?

I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban village has a
reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually enforce the
state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center. That's more than fine
by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30 or more may get
you stopped.)

The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys arrested here for
controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after being stopped
here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.

So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding warrant has drugs
in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"

His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."

That's why.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >
>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>
>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and I didn't attack
>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite a number of
>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't attack the officer
>> or try to run away.
>>
>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems, at least from
>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just that, Either
>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>
>Why?
>
>I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban village has a
>reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually enforce the
>state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center. That's more than fine
>by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30 or more may get
>you stopped.)
>
>The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys arrested here for
>controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after being stopped
>here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>
>So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding warrant has drugs
>in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>
>His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>
>That's why.

So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it should read,
"Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".

And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry should be "Black
Criminals Matter!"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>
>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and I didn't attack
>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite a number of
>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't attack the officer
>>> or try to run away.
>>>
>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems, at least from
>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just that, Either
>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban village has a
>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually enforce the
>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center. That's more than fine
>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30 or more may get
>> you stopped.)
>>
>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys arrested here for
>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after being stopped
>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>
>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding warrant has drugs
>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>
>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>
>> That's why.
>
> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it should read,
> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>
> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry should be "Black
> Criminals Matter!"
>

+1

https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>>
>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and I didn't attack
>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite a number of
>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't attack the officer
>>>> or try to run away.
>>>>
>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems, at least from
>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just that, Either
>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban village has a
>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually enforce the
>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center. That's more than fine
>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30 or more may get
>>> you stopped.)
>>>
>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys arrested here for
>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after being stopped
>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>>
>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding warrant has drugs
>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>>
>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>>
>>> That's why.
>>
>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it should read,
>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>>
>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry should be "Black
>> Criminals Matter!"
>>
>
>+1
>
>https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/

If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News then one quite
often develops a substantially different viewpoint then what seems to
be popular.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and I didn't attack
>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite a number of
>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't attack the officer
>>>>> or try to run away.
>>>>>
>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems, at least from
>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just that, Either
>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban village has a
>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually enforce the
>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center. That's more than fine
>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30 or more may get
>>>> you stopped.)
>>>>
>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys arrested here for
>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after being stopped
>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>>>
>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding warrant has drugs
>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>>>
>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>>>
>>>> That's why.
>>>
>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it should read,
>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>>>
>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry should be "Black
>>> Criminals Matter!"
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
>
> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News then one quite
> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then what seems to
> be popular.
>

The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
annoying truth.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
>>>>>> I didn't attack
>>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
>>>>>> a number of
>>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
>>>>>> attack the officer
>>>>>> or try to run away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
>>>>>> at least from
>>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
>>>>>> that, Either
>>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
>>>>> village has a
>>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
>>>>> enforce the
>>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
>>>>> That's more than fine
>>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
>>>>> or more may get
>>>>> you stopped.)
>>>>>
>>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
>>>>> arrested here for
>>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
>>>>> being stopped
>>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
>>>>> warrant has drugs
>>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>>>>
>>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why.
>>>>
>>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
>>>> should read,
>>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>>>>
>>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
>>>> should be "Black
>>>> Criminals Matter!"
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
>>>
>>
>> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
>> then one quite
>> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
>> what seems to
>> be popular.
>>
>
> The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
> annoying truth.
>

Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:

https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/

Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.

side note-

Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
man at that'.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 7:55:48 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
> >> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
> >>>>>> I didn't attack
> >>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
> >>>>>> a number of
> >>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
> >>>>>> attack the officer
> >>>>>> or try to run away.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
> >>>>>> at least from
> >>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
> >>>>>> that, Either
> >>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
> >>>>> village has a
> >>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
> >>>>> enforce the
> >>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
> >>>>> That's more than fine
> >>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
> >>>>> or more may get
> >>>>> you stopped.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
> >>>>> arrested here for
> >>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
> >>>>> being stopped
> >>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
> >>>>> warrant has drugs
> >>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's why.
> >>>>
> >>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
> >>>> should read,
> >>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
> >>>>
> >>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
> >>>> should be "Black
> >>>> Criminals Matter!"
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
> >>>
> >>
> >> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
> >> then one quite
> >> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
> >> what seems to
> >> be popular.
> >>
> >
> > The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
> > annoying truth.
> >
> Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
> regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
>
> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
>
> Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
> 'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
> ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
>
> side note-
>
> Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
> to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
> and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
> man at that'.

When the pathetic five attempted to use those so transparently lying left wing fake news sources to "prove" me wrong, they got very upset when I laughed in their faces. Now after they've been proven to be liars and be nothing more than subsidiaries of the censoring social media like Facebook I still haven't seen one of them apologize. But then they never liked being wrong about anything no matter that these false claims of the "fact checkers:" hurt most especially the lower middle class whom they don't give one shit about. The ONLY thing that passes through their brainless heads is to call me names for pointing out their obvious lack of education. Frank is especially stupid in that he believes that the only source of education is in a school. I wonder just how sick you have to be to deny that your pocket is being picked to enrich a rich man.

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
> >> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
> >>>>>> I didn't attack
> >>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
> >>>>>> a number of
> >>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
> >>>>>> attack the officer
> >>>>>> or try to run away.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
> >>>>>> at least from
> >>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
> >>>>>> that, Either
> >>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
> >>>>> village has a
> >>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
> >>>>> enforce the
> >>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
> >>>>> That's more than fine
> >>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
> >>>>> or more may get
> >>>>> you stopped.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
> >>>>> arrested here for
> >>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
> >>>>> being stopped
> >>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
> >>>>> warrant has drugs
> >>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's why.
> >>>>
> >>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
> >>>> should read,
> >>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
> >>>>
> >>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
> >>>> should be "Black
> >>>> Criminals Matter!"
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
> >>>
> >>
> >> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
> >> then one quite
> >> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
> >> what seems to
> >> be popular.
> >>
> >
> > The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
> > annoying truth.
> >
> Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
> regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
>
> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
>
> Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
> 'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
> ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
>
> side note-
>
> Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
> to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
> and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
> man at that'.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
"The New York Post (NY Post) is a conservative daily tabloid newspaper published in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the celebrity gossip site PageSix.com, and the entertainment site Decider.com.

It was established in 1801 by Federalist and Founding Father Alexander Hamilton, and became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century under the name New York Evening Post.[9] Its most famous 19th-century editor was William Cullen Bryant. In the mid-20th century, the paper was owned by Dorothy Schiff, a devoted liberal, who developed its tabloid format. In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million. Since 1993, the Post has been owned by Murdoch's News Corp. Its distribution ranked 4th in the US in 2019."

Andy, if you are relying on the New York Post for your source, you need some help. Tommy boy uses similar sources for his support. If you click on the Wikipedia link for the New York Post, you will be taken to a website that shows one of the Post's papers. It says "Bezos Exposes Pecker". With a picture of Jeff Bezos and his girlfriend or wife. Fully clothed of course. Tell us Andy, does the Wisconsin State Journal run headlines like that on its front page? Your main state newspaper. The NY Post is very comparable to Fox News or Newsmax or One America News or similar places.

Now, I am not saying the black mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, and the black BLM founder/participant, Hawk Newsome, did not have a disagreement and did not call each other names. I am sure they did have a divergence. I am sure the founders and participants of the KKK disagreed on many matters too. But they still held to their core principles.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 09:55:43 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
>>>>>>> I didn't attack
>>>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
>>>>>>> a number of
>>>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
>>>>>>> attack the officer
>>>>>>> or try to run away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
>>>>>>> at least from
>>>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
>>>>>>> that, Either
>>>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
>>>>>> village has a
>>>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
>>>>>> enforce the
>>>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
>>>>>> That's more than fine
>>>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
>>>>>> or more may get
>>>>>> you stopped.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
>>>>>> arrested here for
>>>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
>>>>>> being stopped
>>>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
>>>>>> warrant has drugs
>>>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why.
>>>>>
>>>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
>>>>> should read,
>>>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>>>>>
>>>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
>>>>> should be "Black
>>>>> Criminals Matter!"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
>>>>
>>>
>>> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
>>> then one quite
>>> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
>>> what seems to
>>> be popular.
>>>
>>
>> The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
>> annoying truth.
>>
>
>Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
>regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
>
>https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
>
>Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
>'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
>ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
>
>side note-
>
>Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
>to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
>and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
>man at that'.

Well... I think it is a matter that many, maybe most, are intent on
somehow bowing down to all sorts of rather inane theories based on sex
or race.

Women are equal... well, no they aren't. Look at any athletic event
and women don't run as fast, lift as heavy weights, or hit a baseballs
as far. On the other hand, women can give birth which no man has yet
to accomplish.

Negroes are criminals? Yup, statistics seem to prove that... well
except that there has been a "Negro" president, Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, and Secretary of State and now (I believe) Judge of
the Supreme Court.

Oh yes, not to forget the "White Folks" The song "We want no Irish
Here" was written in 1860, or there about and most famously sung in
the "White House" in 1963.

The largest mass lynching in the U.S. where they lynched Italians, or
maybe they were Sicilian.

And over here, in Thailand, Farang's, i.e., White Foreigners, are
viewed with a great deal of skepticism. "He's not half bad for a
Farang".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/22/2022 5:51 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
>>>>>>>> I didn't attack
>>>>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
>>>>>>>> a number of
>>>>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
>>>>>>>> attack the officer
>>>>>>>> or try to run away.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
>>>>>>>> at least from
>>>>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
>>>>>>>> that, Either
>>>>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
>>>>>>> village has a
>>>>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
>>>>>>> enforce the
>>>>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
>>>>>>> That's more than fine
>>>>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
>>>>>>> or more may get
>>>>>>> you stopped.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
>>>>>>> arrested here for
>>>>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
>>>>>>> being stopped
>>>>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
>>>>>>> warrant has drugs
>>>>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
>>>>>> should read,
>>>>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
>>>>>> should be "Black
>>>>>> Criminals Matter!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
>>>> then one quite
>>>> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
>>>> what seems to
>>>> be popular.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
>>> annoying truth.
>>>
>> Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
>> regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
>>
>> Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
>> 'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
>> ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
>>
>> side note-
>>
>> Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
>> to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
>> and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
>> man at that'.

>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
> "The New York Post (NY Post) is a conservative daily tabloid newspaper published in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the celebrity gossip site PageSix.com, and the entertainment site Decider.com.
>
> It was established in 1801 by Federalist and Founding Father Alexander Hamilton, and became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century under the name New York Evening Post.[9] Its most famous 19th-century editor was William Cullen Bryant. In the mid-20th century, the paper was owned by Dorothy Schiff, a devoted liberal, who developed its tabloid format. In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million. Since 1993, the Post has been owned by Murdoch's News Corp. Its distribution ranked 4th in the US in 2019."
>
> Andy, if you are relying on the New York Post for your source, you need some help. Tommy boy uses similar sources for his support. If you click on the Wikipedia link for the New York Post, you will be taken to a website that shows one of the Post's papers. It says "Bezos Exposes Pecker". With a picture of Jeff Bezos and his girlfriend or wife. Fully clothed of course. Tell us Andy, does the Wisconsin State Journal run headlines like that on its front page? Your main state newspaper. The NY Post is very comparable to Fox News or Newsmax or One America News or similar places.
>
> Now, I am not saying the black mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, and the black BLM founder/participant, Hawk Newsome, did not have a disagreement and did not call each other names. I am sure they did have a divergence. I am sure the founders and participants of the KKK disagreed on many matters too. But they still held to their core principles.
>

I saw Mr Newsome's interview in his own words (except the
bleep) it on the radio early on WOR and later on WABC.

Post has convenient non-paywall web links.

You're welcome in that your only criticism is that you
dislike the Post. I assume you share with me utter contempt
for Mr Newsome and BLM generally.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/22/2022 11:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/22/2022 5:51 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
>>>>>>>>> I didn't attack
>>>>>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
>>>>>>>>> a number of
>>>>>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
>>>>>>>>> attack the officer
>>>>>>>>> or try to run away.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
>>>>>>>>> at least from
>>>>>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
>>>>>>>>> that, Either
>>>>>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
>>>>>>>> village has a
>>>>>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
>>>>>>>> enforce the
>>>>>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
>>>>>>>> That's more than fine
>>>>>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
>>>>>>>> or more may get
>>>>>>>> you stopped.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
>>>>>>>> arrested here for
>>>>>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
>>>>>>>> being stopped
>>>>>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
>>>>>>>> warrant has drugs
>>>>>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
>>>>>>> should read,
>>>>>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
>>>>>>> should be "Black
>>>>>>> Criminals Matter!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
>>>>> then one quite
>>>>> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
>>>>> what seems to
>>>>> be popular.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
>>>> annoying truth.
>>>>
>>> Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
>>> regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
>>>
>>>
>>> Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
>>> 'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
>>> ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
>>>
>>> side note-
>>>
>>> Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
>>> to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
>>> and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
>>> man at that'.
>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
>> "The New York Post (NY Post) is a conservative daily tabloid newspaper
>> published in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the
>> celebrity gossip site PageSix.com, and the entertainment site
>> Decider.com.
>>
>> It was established in 1801 by Federalist and Founding Father Alexander
>> Hamilton, and became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century under
>> the name New York Evening Post.[9] Its most famous 19th-century editor
>> was William Cullen Bryant. In the mid-20th century, the paper was
>> owned by Dorothy Schiff, a devoted liberal, who developed its tabloid
>> format. In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million.
>> Since 1993, the Post has been owned by Murdoch's News Corp. Its
>> distribution ranked 4th in the US in 2019."
>>
>> Andy, if you are relying on the New York Post for your source, you
>> need some help.  Tommy boy uses similar sources for his support.  If
>> you click on the Wikipedia link for the New York Post, you will be
>> taken to a website that shows one of the Post's papers.  It says
>> "Bezos Exposes Pecker".  With a picture of Jeff Bezos and his
>> girlfriend or wife.  Fully clothed of course.  Tell us Andy, does the
>> Wisconsin State Journal run headlines like that on its front page?
>> Your main state newspaper.  The NY Post is very comparable to Fox News
>> or Newsmax or One America News or similar places.
>>
>> Now, I am not saying the black mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, and
>> the black BLM founder/participant, Hawk Newsome, did not have a
>> disagreement and did not call each other names.  I am sure they did
>> have a divergence.  I am sure the founders and participants of the KKK
>> disagreed on many matters too.  But they still held to their core
>> principles.
>>
>
> I saw Mr Newsome's interview in his own words (except the bleep) it on
> the radio early on WOR and later on WABC.
>
> Post has convenient non-paywall web links.
>
> You're welcome in that your only criticism is that you dislike the Post.
> I assume you share with me utter contempt for Mr Newsome and BLM generally.

Let me agree with Mr. Muzi on part of this. I suppose most news outlets
have some editorial slant one way or other. (I've seen articles rating
that slant for dozens of news sources - although I'm sure those offended
by the ratings will call "bias!") And I do think the Post is not
particularly respectable as a source.

However, not everything in the Post is wrong. Similarly, if a biased and
deluded maniac says "The sun is rising!" the sun may still be rising.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:59:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/22/2022 11:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/22/2022 5:51 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
>>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't attack
>>>>>>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
>>>>>>>>>> a number of
>>>>>>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
>>>>>>>>>> attack the officer
>>>>>>>>>> or try to run away.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
>>>>>>>>>> at least from
>>>>>>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
>>>>>>>>>> that, Either
>>>>>>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
>>>>>>>>> village has a
>>>>>>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
>>>>>>>>> enforce the
>>>>>>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
>>>>>>>>> That's more than fine
>>>>>>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
>>>>>>>>> or more may get
>>>>>>>>> you stopped.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
>>>>>>>>> arrested here for
>>>>>>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
>>>>>>>>> being stopped
>>>>>>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
>>>>>>>>> warrant has drugs
>>>>>>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's why.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
>>>>>>>> should read,
>>>>>>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
>>>>>>>> should be "Black
>>>>>>>> Criminals Matter!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
>>>>>> then one quite
>>>>>> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
>>>>>> what seems to
>>>>>> be popular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
>>>>> annoying truth.
>>>>>
>>>> Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
>>>> regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
>>>> 'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
>>>> ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
>>>>
>>>> side note-
>>>>
>>>> Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
>>>> to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
>>>> and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
>>>> man at that'.
>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
>>> "The New York Post (NY Post) is a conservative daily tabloid newspaper
>>> published in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the
>>> celebrity gossip site PageSix.com, and the entertainment site
>>> Decider.com.
>>>
>>> It was established in 1801 by Federalist and Founding Father Alexander
>>> Hamilton, and became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century under
>>> the name New York Evening Post.[9] Its most famous 19th-century editor
>>> was William Cullen Bryant. In the mid-20th century, the paper was
>>> owned by Dorothy Schiff, a devoted liberal, who developed its tabloid
>>> format. In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million.
>>> Since 1993, the Post has been owned by Murdoch's News Corp. Its
>>> distribution ranked 4th in the US in 2019."
>>>
>>> Andy, if you are relying on the New York Post for your source, you
>>> need some help.  Tommy boy uses similar sources for his support.  If
>>> you click on the Wikipedia link for the New York Post, you will be
>>> taken to a website that shows one of the Post's papers.  It says
>>> "Bezos Exposes Pecker".  With a picture of Jeff Bezos and his
>>> girlfriend or wife.  Fully clothed of course.  Tell us Andy, does the
>>> Wisconsin State Journal run headlines like that on its front page?
>>> Your main state newspaper.  The NY Post is very comparable to Fox News
>>> or Newsmax or One America News or similar places.
>>>
>>> Now, I am not saying the black mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, and
>>> the black BLM founder/participant, Hawk Newsome, did not have a
>>> disagreement and did not call each other names.  I am sure they did
>>> have a divergence.  I am sure the founders and participants of the KKK
>>> disagreed on many matters too.  But they still held to their core
>>> principles.
>>>
>>
>> I saw Mr Newsome's interview in his own words (except the bleep) it on
>> the radio early on WOR and later on WABC.
>>
>> Post has convenient non-paywall web links.
>>
>> You're welcome in that your only criticism is that you dislike the Post.
>> I assume you share with me utter contempt for Mr Newsome and BLM generally.
>
>Let me agree with Mr. Muzi on part of this. I suppose most news outlets
>have some editorial slant one way or other. (I've seen articles rating
>that slant for dozens of news sources - although I'm sure those offended
>by the ratings will call "bias!") And I do think the Post is not
>particularly respectable as a source.
>
>However, not everything in the Post is wrong. Similarly, if a biased and
>deluded maniac says "The sun is rising!" the sun may still be rising.

But what is "Bias"? Is it, in some manner, a definitive measure of
right and wrong? Or a matter of what a large number of people consider
right and wrong, at this moment in time?

On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 5:58:21 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 10:59:29 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 4/22/2022 11:33 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 4/22/2022 5:51 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 4/22/2022 7:44 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/21/2022 9:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 21:10:35 -0500, AMuzi
> >>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 4/21/2022 7:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2022 14:09:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2022 6:59 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> One point that never seems to be addressed is "why?".
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I've been stopped by police while in an automobile and
> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't attack
> >>>>>>>>>> the policeman or try to run away and I've known quite
> >>>>>>>>>> a number of
> >>>>>>>>>> others who have been stopped by the Cops and didn't
> >>>>>>>>>> attack the officer
> >>>>>>>>>> or try to run away.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> But in nearly all cases of a police killing it seems,
> >>>>>>>>>> at least from
> >>>>>>>>>> what one "reads in the Newspaper" the victim did just
> >>>>>>>>>> that, Either
> >>>>>>>>>> tried to run away or attacked the Officer. Why?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'll repeat a tale I've told before. Our suburban
> >>>>>>>>> village has a
> >>>>>>>>> reputation as a speed trap - IOW, that they actually
> >>>>>>>>> enforce the
> >>>>>>>>> state-mandated 25 mph zones in the village center.
> >>>>>>>>> That's more than fine
> >>>>>>>>> by me. (Actually, they don't ticket for 29 mph, but 30
> >>>>>>>>> or more may get
> >>>>>>>>> you stopped.)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The newspaper's "Police Report" often lists guys
> >>>>>>>>> arrested here for
> >>>>>>>>> controlled substances, outstanding warrants, etc. after
> >>>>>>>>> being stopped
> >>>>>>>>> here for speeding, running a red light, no lights, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So I asked a cop friend "If a guy with an outstanding
> >>>>>>>>> warrant has drugs
> >>>>>>>>> in his car, why wouldn't he drive super carefully?"
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> His answer: "They're not Einsteins, Frank."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That's why.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So rather then "headlines" saying "Cop Shoots Man" it
> >>>>>>>> should read,
> >>>>>>>> "Known Felon Shot While Attempting to Flee Arrest".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And rather then "Black Lives Matter" the battle cry
> >>>>>>>> should be "Black
> >>>>>>>> Criminals Matter!"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/eric-adams-is-right-blm-costs-black-lives/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If one looks at the facts, rather then the "Lurid" News
> >>>>>> then one quite
> >>>>>> often develops a substantially different viewpoint then
> >>>>>> what seems to
> >>>>>> be popular.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The new mayor deserves some credit for pointing out that
> >>>>> annoying truth.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Apologies for replying to my own reply but the link above
> >>>> regards the mayor's comments yesterday 21 April. Update:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://nypost.com/2022/04/21/blms-hawk-newsome-blames-mayor-eric-adams-for-nyc-war-zone/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Some pathetic souls are so invested in screaming about
> >>>> 'racism' in order to gin up discord, even where it's
> >>>> ridiculously absent, just cannot drop that weapon.
> >>>>
> >>>> side note-
> >>>>
> >>>> Waiting for the pearl-clutching 'fact check' organizations
> >>>> to cover Mr Newsome's description of Mayor Adams as 'n---r'
> >>>> and 'a white man in blackface, and a very conservative white
> >>>> man at that'.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post
> >>> "The New York Post (NY Post) is a conservative daily tabloid newspaper
> >>> published in New York City. The Post also operates NYPost.com, the
> >>> celebrity gossip site PageSix.com, and the entertainment site
> >>> Decider.com.
> >>>
> >>> It was established in 1801 by Federalist and Founding Father Alexander
> >>> Hamilton, and became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century under
> >>> the name New York Evening Post.[9] Its most famous 19th-century editor
> >>> was William Cullen Bryant. In the mid-20th century, the paper was
> >>> owned by Dorothy Schiff, a devoted liberal, who developed its tabloid
> >>> format. In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million.
> >>> Since 1993, the Post has been owned by Murdoch's News Corp. Its
> >>> distribution ranked 4th in the US in 2019."
> >>>
> >>> Andy, if you are relying on the New York Post for your source, you
> >>> need some help. Tommy boy uses similar sources for his support. If
> >>> you click on the Wikipedia link for the New York Post, you will be
> >>> taken to a website that shows one of the Post's papers. It says
> >>> "Bezos Exposes Pecker". With a picture of Jeff Bezos and his
> >>> girlfriend or wife. Fully clothed of course. Tell us Andy, does the
> >>> Wisconsin State Journal run headlines like that on its front page?
> >>> Your main state newspaper. The NY Post is very comparable to Fox News
> >>> or Newsmax or One America News or similar places.
> >>>
> >>> Now, I am not saying the black mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, and
> >>> the black BLM founder/participant, Hawk Newsome, did not have a
> >>> disagreement and did not call each other names. I am sure they did
> >>> have a divergence. I am sure the founders and participants of the KKK
> >>> disagreed on many matters too. But they still held to their core
> >>> principles.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I saw Mr Newsome's interview in his own words (except the bleep) it on
> >> the radio early on WOR and later on WABC.
> >>
> >> Post has convenient non-paywall web links.
> >>
> >> You're welcome in that your only criticism is that you dislike the Post.
> >> I assume you share with me utter contempt for Mr Newsome and BLM generally.
> >
> >Let me agree with Mr. Muzi on part of this. I suppose most news outlets
> >have some editorial slant one way or other. (I've seen articles rating
> >that slant for dozens of news sources - although I'm sure those offended
> >by the ratings will call "bias!") And I do think the Post is not
> >particularly respectable as a source.
> >
> >However, not everything in the Post is wrong. Similarly, if a biased and
> >deluded maniac says "The sun is rising!" the sun may still be rising.
> But what is "Bias"? Is it, in some manner, a definitive measure of
> right and wrong? Or a matter of what a large number of people consider
> right and wrong, at this moment in time?
>
> Slavery, for example. A perfectly legal and accepted practice from
> earliest human history until `about` the 1800's, and now regarded with
> horror.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.