On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>
> I read, just the other day about a study of dementia in elderly men
> and it seems that some studies have demonstrated that diminishing
> levels of testosterone are related with increased levels of dementia
> in elderly men.

Let's go back to correlations, John. Senile dementia is strongly correlated
with age, and you're quite a bit older than I am. It's also inversely correlated with
education level, and IIRC you're less educated than I.

Odds are better for your dementia than for mine. If we both get it, it will probably hit
you first. Sorry, but that's true.

Now do you think you could drop the insults and stick to facts?

- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 1:51:38 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 6/5/2022 9:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 6/5/2022 7:24 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 10:55:10 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 6/4/2022 8:52 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And Homicide rate and gun ownership?
> >>>> The U.S. has 4.96/100,000 homicide rate and 120/100 gun
> >>>> ownership. In
> >>>> contrast Iceland has 31.7 guns and 0.89 homicides,
> >>>> Norway, 28 and 0.45
> >>>> and Switzerland 27.6 and 0.59.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, Iceland with 36% of the number of firearms as the
> >>>> U.S. has 17% of
> >>>> the murders, Norway, 23% of the guns and 9% of the
> >>>> murders and
> >>>> Switzerland with 23% of the guns and 12% of the murders.
> >>>
> >>> It's difficult to discern John's point. The data he
> >>> presents shows that
> >>> lower gun ownership rates correlate to much lower murder
> >>> rates.
> >>>
> >>> He seems to be saying that since the correlation is not a
> >>> perfect direct
> >>> proportion, it's invalid.
> >>>
> >>> As usual, John does not exhibit the confidence to clearly
> >>> state his
> >>> views. But if that's really his point, it demonstrates
> >>> astonishing
> >>> ignorance of statistics, correlation and mathematics.
> >>
> >> Gee Frank and you claiming to have been a professor and
> >> teaching in
> >> the collage. I had thought that you would be capable of
> >> understanding
> >> what I wrote without a lengthy and detailed explanation.
> >>
> >> But O.K, for those who are, well a bit challenged, mentally:
> >>
> >> One, who had considered the matter might have come to the
> >> conclusion
> >> that numbers of guns alone just may not be the determining
> >> factor.
> >>
> >> The U.S. has, for example, 120 guns/100 population and
> >> 4.96/100,000
> >> gun murders.
> >>
> >> As I wrote
> >> The U.S. has 4.96/100,000 homicide rate and 120/100 gun
> >> ownership.
> >> Iceland has 31.7 guns and 0.89 homicides,
> >> Norway, 28 and 0.45
> >> and Switzerland 27.6 and 0.59.
> >>
> >> Or, in comparison to the U.S.
> >> Iceland with 36% of the number of firearms as the U.S. has
> >> 17% of
> >> the murders,
> >> Norway, 23% of the guns and 9% of the murders
> >> Switzerland with 23% of the guns and 12% of the murders.
> >>
> >> The Gun Grabbers argue that it is the number of guns that
> >> is important
> >> while international statistics seem to show quite another
> >> picture,
> >> Iceland with about 1/4 of as many guns as the U.S. has
> >> only 1/11th the
> >> number of murders. Logically, if Iceland has 1/4 the
> >> numbers of guns
> >> shouldn't they have 1/4 the number or murders?
> >
> > So it really is your mathematical ignorance at play here!
> > I'm disappointed in you. I honestly thought you were more
> > intelligent.
> >
> > Very briefly: There is absolutely NO requirement of direct
> > proportion when determining a cause and effect relationship
> > between two variables. Most cause-and-effect relationships
> > do not follow direct proportion.
> >
> > Examples abound. Here's one that should be easy for most
> > people. From NACTO, regarding the chance of a pedestrian
> > dying when hit by a car:
> >
> > "The average risk of death for a pedestrian reaches 10% at
> > an impact speed of 23 mph, 25% at 32 mph, 50% at 42 mph, 75%
> > at 50 mph, and 90% at 58 mph."
> >
> > If the risk were merely proportional to speed, the risk at
> > 42 mph would be less than 20% - that is, less than double
> > the risk at 23 mph. Instead it's 50%.
> >
> > Please don't claim this means impact speed has no effect on
> > pedestrian survival. Surely even you can't believe that!
> >
> Did that set of numbers have a point?
> In Chicago it's 18% so far for firearms:
> http://heyjackass.com/
>
> 'year to date 1285 shot 239 dead'
>
> Which leads to a ridiculous extrapolation that a national
> maximum speed limit of ~28mph could possibly reduce
> pedestrian deaths to the level of Chicago firearms fatal
> incidents. (!)
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
That's exceedingly unwoke of you, Mr Muzi. Haven't you heard yet that to tell an ignoramus that "Correlation isn't causation," is now man-splaining, racist, patriarchal, white supremacist, and will cause many snowflakes to melt down before they reach a safe space? And to supply such a telling example aggravates your crime. --- AJ

>
Ah just purely loves it when the social media criminals who've wrecked RBT fall out and start sniping at each other.

I'm Andre Jute and I'm laughing too hard to approve of this message. Nothing further from me below here.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 3:31:24 AM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >
> > I read, just the other day about a study of dementia in elderly men
> > and it seems that some studies have demonstrated that diminishing
> > levels of testosterone are related with increased levels of dementia
> > in elderly men.
> Let's go back to correlations, John. Senile dementia is strongly correlated
> with age, and you're quite a bit older than I am. It's also inversely correlated with
> education level, and IIRC you're less educated than I.
>
> Odds are better for your dementia than for mine. If we both get it, it will probably hit
> you first. Sorry, but that's true.
>
> Now do you think you could drop the insults and stick to facts?
>
> - Frank Krygowski

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:01:19 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 1:51:38 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 6/5/2022 9:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 6/5/2022 7:24 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 10:55:10 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 6/4/2022 8:52 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And Homicide rate and gun ownership?
> > >>>> The U.S. has 4.96/100,000 homicide rate and 120/100 gun
> > >>>> ownership. In
> > >>>> contrast Iceland has 31.7 guns and 0.89 homicides,
> > >>>> Norway, 28 and 0.45
> > >>>> and Switzerland 27.6 and 0.59.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> So, Iceland with 36% of the number of firearms as the
> > >>>> U.S. has 17% of
> > >>>> the murders, Norway, 23% of the guns and 9% of the
> > >>>> murders and
> > >>>> Switzerland with 23% of the guns and 12% of the murders.
> > >>>
> > >>> It's difficult to discern John's point. The data he
> > >>> presents shows that
> > >>> lower gun ownership rates correlate to much lower murder
> > >>> rates.
> > >>>
> > >>> He seems to be saying that since the correlation is not a
> > >>> perfect direct
> > >>> proportion, it's invalid.
> > >>>
> > >>> As usual, John does not exhibit the confidence to clearly
> > >>> state his
> > >>> views. But if that's really his point, it demonstrates
> > >>> astonishing
> > >>> ignorance of statistics, correlation and mathematics.
> > >>
> > >> Gee Frank and you claiming to have been a professor and
> > >> teaching in
> > >> the collage. I had thought that you would be capable of
> > >> understanding
> > >> what I wrote without a lengthy and detailed explanation.
> > >>
> > >> But O.K, for those who are, well a bit challenged, mentally:
> > >>
> > >> One, who had considered the matter might have come to the
> > >> conclusion
> > >> that numbers of guns alone just may not be the determining
> > >> factor.
> > >>
> > >> The U.S. has, for example, 120 guns/100 population and
> > >> 4.96/100,000
> > >> gun murders.
> > >>
> > >> As I wrote
> > >> The U.S. has 4.96/100,000 homicide rate and 120/100 gun
> > >> ownership.
> > >> Iceland has 31.7 guns and 0.89 homicides,
> > >> Norway, 28 and 0.45
> > >> and Switzerland 27.6 and 0.59.
> > >>
> > >> Or, in comparison to the U.S.
> > >> Iceland with 36% of the number of firearms as the U.S. has
> > >> 17% of
> > >> the murders,
> > >> Norway, 23% of the guns and 9% of the murders
> > >> Switzerland with 23% of the guns and 12% of the murders.
> > >>
> > >> The Gun Grabbers argue that it is the number of guns that
> > >> is important
> > >> while international statistics seem to show quite another
> > >> picture,
> > >> Iceland with about 1/4 of as many guns as the U.S. has
> > >> only 1/11th the
> > >> number of murders. Logically, if Iceland has 1/4 the
> > >> numbers of guns
> > >> shouldn't they have 1/4 the number or murders?
> > >
> > > So it really is your mathematical ignorance at play here!
> > > I'm disappointed in you. I honestly thought you were more
> > > intelligent.
> > >
> > > Very briefly: There is absolutely NO requirement of direct
> > > proportion when determining a cause and effect relationship
> > > between two variables. Most cause-and-effect relationships
> > > do not follow direct proportion.
> > >
> > > Examples abound. Here's one that should be easy for most
> > > people. From NACTO, regarding the chance of a pedestrian
> > > dying when hit by a car:
> > >
> > > "The average risk of death for a pedestrian reaches 10% at
> > > an impact speed of 23 mph, 25% at 32 mph, 50% at 42 mph, 75%
> > > at 50 mph, and 90% at 58 mph."
> > >
> > > If the risk were merely proportional to speed, the risk at
> > > 42 mph would be less than 20% - that is, less than double
> > > the risk at 23 mph. Instead it's 50%.
> > >
> > > Please don't claim this means impact speed has no effect on
> > > pedestrian survival. Surely even you can't believe that!
> > >
> > Did that set of numbers have a point?
> > In Chicago it's 18% so far for firearms:
> > http://heyjackass.com/
> >
> > 'year to date 1285 shot 239 dead'
> >
> > Which leads to a ridiculous extrapolation that a national
> > maximum speed limit of ~28mph could possibly reduce
> > pedestrian deaths to the level of Chicago firearms fatal
> > incidents. (!)
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> That's exceedingly unwoke of you, Mr Muzi. Haven't you heard yet that to tell an ignoramus that "Correlation isn't causation," is now man-splaining, racist, patriarchal, white supremacist, and will cause many snowflakes to melt down before they reach a safe space? And to supply such a telling example aggravates your crime. --- AJ

Indeed, dementia causation is inherited. Saying that old people get dementia certainly doesn't explain Mark Twain now does it? Or Einstein. Or the hundreds of still living veterans of Omaha beach that can tell you every thought that went through their heads on that day that changed history.

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:05:43 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >
> Ah just purely loves it when the social media criminals who've wrecked RBT fall out and start sniping at each other.
>
> I'm Andre Jute and I'm laughing too hard to approve of this message. Nothing further from me below here.
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 3:31:24 AM UTC+1, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> > >
> > > I read, just the other day about a study of dementia in elderly men
> > > and it seems that some studies have demonstrated that diminishing
> > > levels of testosterone are related with increased levels of dementia
> > > in elderly men.
> > Let's go back to correlations, John. Senile dementia is strongly correlated
> > with age, and you're quite a bit older than I am. It's also inversely correlated with
> > education level, and IIRC you're less educated than I.
> >
> > Odds are better for your dementia than for mine. If we both get it, it will probably hit
> > you first. Sorry, but that's true.
> >
> > Now do you think you could drop the insults and stick to facts?
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski

There is something else going on here. Frank who happens to know guns very well, has been forced to recognize the utter insanity of the left as the moron Frank utters lie after lie after lie. He is growing to understand why I say what I do. This also appears to have happened to Jeff who as a computer repairman has such a talent because he can think for himself. Suddenly both of these people are faced with the sheer ignorance of people like Scharf, Kragowski, Russell and Flunky all of which are willing to twist reality inside out to gain and retain power - or what they think is power. We know that Scharf is a nobody because he is a nobody rejected politician. Russell presented himself as an accountant. But were he so he would understand statistics and he either does not or totally denies and statistics that shows him wrong. Flunky is nothing but a fool hiding as an anonymous voice supporting someone else and usually Frank. I have already summed up Frank who continuously presents himself as an engineer despite never having engineered anything.

He long ago reached the comical stage when he submitted that someone with a long and productive engineering career wasn't really an engineer because you HAD to have a diploma to be an engineer. That is like saying that you couldn't be a writer without a degree in literature. And is equally instructive of the mind behind the postings.

On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 07:13:05 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

(chomp)

>Indeed, dementia causation is inherited. Saying that old people get dementia certainly doesn't explain Mark Twain now does it? Or Einstein. Or the hundreds of still living veterans of Omaha beach that can tell you every thought that went through their heads on that day that changed history.

If a soldier was 18 years old on D-Day, he would be 96 years old
today:
2022 - 1944 + 18 = 96

<https://www.dday.org/2021/03/05/how-many-d-day-veterans-are-still-with-us/>
In 2021, the best guess is 2,520 to 2,625 D-Day veterans still alive.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Fri, 27 May 2022 11:05:09 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

> An exercise in raw cynical power. Or in the words of William
> Ruckleshaus after his panel of scientists advised that DDT
> was useful and safe, "If we can ban DDT, we can ban
> anything." And so they have.

Occasionally it backfires. I was reading the front page of the
Time-Union just before opening this message. The lead story told how
laws passed by prohibitionists caused the opening of a bar.

The Brook Pointe Inn wanted to serve sparkling wine with its honeymoon
package. They learned that getting permission to do so was so much
trouble and expense that to make it worthwhile, they needed to add a
bar to the hotel.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 22:40:06 -0400, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 May 2022 11:05:09 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> An exercise in raw cynical power. Or in the words of William
>> Ruckleshaus after his panel of scientists advised that DDT
>> was useful and safe, "If we can ban DDT, we can ban
>> anything." And so they have.
>
>Occasionally it backfires. I was reading the front page of the
>Time-Union just before opening this message. The lead story told how
>laws passed by prohibitionists caused the opening of a bar.
>
>The Brook Pointe Inn wanted to serve sparkling wine with its honeymoon
>package. They learned that getting permission to do so was so much
>trouble and expense that to make it worthwhile, they needed to add a
>bar to the hotel.

There is a adage which seems to date back to the earliest times, or at
least 1670 in A Collection of English Proverbs, that tells us: "The
road to hell is paved with good intentions", which seems more and more
true as times goes by.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 7:59:45 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> I love it when conservatives catch up to what I've been saying for decades, that the religious weather fetish of left wing kills millions of defenseless people every year. Here's Kurt Schlichter with an update about a new tranche of forthcoming murders by the Donkey Party:
>
> Leftists Are About to Kill Millions of People Right Before Our Eyes
> https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2022/05/26/leftists-are-about-to-kill-millions-of-people-right-before-our-eyes-n2607820
>
> That scum have killed hundreds of millions of women and children already by banning DDT for zero reason except to flex their muscles (which they admitted). They knew it didn't cause cancer in humans.
>
> Andre Jute
> This isn't mere carelessness, this is another pre-planned racist genocide..

Americans, and particularly the gutter filth like Frank, Russell, Flunky and Scharf are so blind that they cannot even see what is coming.

The Ukraine for all of its weaknesses and dishonest politicians, had a status quo. They are a country that grows and markets 30% of the world's wheat crop. This is a vital food source particularly for the third world. This amount of wheat is so large that it can ONLY be moved by sea transport and the Russians with no real resistance from the US has shut down access of the Ukraine to the Black Sea Ports. Therefore some $10 Million tons of wheat is rotting in warehouses out of the reach of those who need it. But Frank will argue NOT for the billion lives that are at real risk from starvation but for 26 people that were murdered by a lunatic who warned the entire social media about it before he did it. Such is the mental condition of Frank that the best he has ever been able to perceive is the little picture and always arrive at the incorrect solution.

Through incompetent foreign policy by the Democrats the Western World is not forced to invoke trade sanctions against Russian who is also the world's #1 producer of fertilizer which is absolutely necessary to feed the lesser financially well off nations.

The radial Democrat "environmentalists" failing their original desire to kill off Africans via poisoning the food we sent there have instead settled upon killing off a large portion of the world through starvation.

Frank, Russell, Flunky and Scharf are over the moon with happiness that the Democrat plan is operating in their behalf. Frank despite being happy about this is attempting to distract us from a billion murders with that of 26 children and their teachers. The Democrats ALLOWED this to happen. That kid had threatened this massacre and the authorities did nothing. This was given the green light so that it would distract from the real crime. Frank, as usual, will claim that "I never said that" because he is a stinking coward unwilling to accept his own responsibility in the matter. Starvation of million upon million of children is just months away and the Democrats are twiddling their thumbs in the belief that via election fraud they can win again.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 09:05:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>They are a country that grows and markets 30% of the world's wheat crop.

Wrong.
<https://asmith.ucdavis.edu/news/russia-ukraine>
"Russia produces 11% of the world's wheat and Ukraine produces 3%.
These countries make up a larger proportion of global exports. Russia
accounts for 19% of the global wheat export market and Ukraine 9%.
Ukraine is also a major corn exporter, accounting for 14% of exports.
Neither country is a large player in rice or soybeans, which are the
other two major agricultural commodities in the world."

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:05:50 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 7:59:45 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > I love it when conservatives catch up to what I've been saying for decades, that the religious weather fetish of left wing kills millions of defenseless people every year. Here's Kurt Schlichter with an update about a new tranche of forthcoming murders by the Donkey Party:
> >
> > Leftists Are About to Kill Millions of People Right Before Our Eyes
> > https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2022/05/26/leftists-are-about-to-kill-millions-of-people-right-before-our-eyes-n2607820
> >
> > That scum have killed hundreds of millions of women and children already by banning DDT for zero reason except to flex their muscles (which they admitted). They knew it didn't cause cancer in humans.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > This isn't mere carelessness, this is another pre-planned racist genocide.
>
> Americans, and particularly the gutter filth like Frank, Russell, Flunky and Scharf are so blind that they cannot even see what is coming.
>
> The Ukraine for all of its weaknesses and dishonest politicians, had a status quo. They are a country that grows and markets 30% of the world's wheat crop. This is a vital food source particularly for the third world. This amount of wheat is so large that it can ONLY be moved by sea transport and the Russians with no real resistance from the US has shut down access of the Ukraine to the Black Sea Ports. Therefore some $10 Million tons of wheat is rotting in warehouses out of the reach of those who need it. But Frank will argue NOT for the billion lives that are at real risk from starvation but for 26 people that were murdered by a lunatic who warned the entire social media about it before he did it. Such is the mental condition of Frank that the best he has ever been able to perceive is the little picture and always arrive at the incorrect solution.
>
> Through incompetent foreign policy by the Democrats the Western World is not forced to invoke trade sanctions against Russian who is also the world's #1 producer of fertilizer which is absolutely necessary to feed the lesser financially well off nations.
>
> The radial Democrat "environmentalists" failing their original desire to kill off Africans via poisoning the food we sent there have instead settled upon killing off a large portion of the world through starvation.
>
> Frank, Russell, Flunky and Scharf are over the moon with happiness that the Democrat plan is operating in their behalf. Frank despite being happy about this is attempting to distract us from a billion murders with that of 26 children and their teachers. The Democrats ALLOWED this to happen. That kid had threatened this massacre and the authorities did nothing. This was given the green light so that it would distract from the real crime.

Tommy logic. Tell us Tommy boy, Why did Trump and the Republican controlled House and Senate ALLOW the Las Vegas shooter on October 1, 2017, murder 60 people and injure 411? Why Tommy, why, did the Republicans allow and encourage the Las Vegas murderer to murder so many people? Tell us Tommy? Do Republicans love mass murderers? Do Republicans want more and more and more mass murders?

As for your claim "That kid had threatened this massacre and the authorities did nothing." You mean the Republican Texas authorities? Good point. Why didn't Republican Texas Governor Greg Abbott and his authorities not try to stop this kid from murdering all these kids and adults? Why?

> Frank, as usual, will claim that "I never said that" because he is a stinking coward unwilling to accept his own responsibility in the matter. Starvation of million upon million of children is just months away and the Democrats are twiddling their thumbs in the belief that via election fraud they can win again.