Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !

https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>
> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
>

I don’t believe he is, or anyone in the group. As in previous threads most
organisations are moving to ban or limit trans women in woman’s categories.

Roger Merriman

On 5/19/2023 11:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.

Why don't you discuss what others actually say, instead of arguing
against what you pretend they say?

You are a coward.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:01:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>
>https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/

He should be ashamed of himself.

On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:01:59 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>
>https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/

This Trans-gender stuff is, well, sort of weird. "I feel like I'm a
"whatever" and thus I must be one?

If that is logical then why can't I become a millionaire just because
I feel like that is what I want to be (:-)

Or why can't Tommy be a famous scientist just because he wants to? Or
the Afro guy the famous author he so obviously craves to be?

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 1:26:03 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:01:59 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
> >
> >https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
> He should be ashamed of himself.

You do realize that the UCI rules ALLOW this and that he might have taken advantage of that in order to change the rules?

On Fri, 19 May 2023 15:53:55 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>
>> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
>>
>
>I don’t believe he is, or anyone in the group. As in previous threads most
>organisations are moving to ban or limit trans women in woman’s categories.
>
>Roger Merriman

(:-) If it is logical to race in a woman's race because one feels one
is a woman then why bother? After all if one can become a "woman"
because one feels that is what one is, why can't one become a winner
"because one feels one is"?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:26:03 PM UTC+1, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:01:59 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
> >
> >https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
> He should be ashamed of himself.
>
+1.
>

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:22:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
> >
> > https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
You're against Mumford being on the podium alone? You're right, I'm all for that.

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:58:01 AM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/19/2023 11:22 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
> >>
> >> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
> Why don't you discuss what others actually say, instead of arguing
> against what you pretend they say?
>
> You are a coward.

and a stupid one at that!

>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:58:01 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 19 May 2023 15:53:55 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
> >>>
> >>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Andrew Muzi
> >>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>
> >> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
> >>
> >
> >I don’t believe he is, or anyone in the group. As in previous threads most
> >organisations are moving to ban or limit trans women in woman’s categories.
> >
> >Roger Merriman
> (:-) If it is logical to race in a woman's race because one feels one
> is a woman then why bother? After all if one can become a "woman"
> because one feels that is what one is, why can't one become a winner
> "because one feels one is"?

Medals for everyone!!!!!!

Seriously though, I've held the same position since we had a transgendered cyclist on the podium at the Art Longsjo Fitchburg stage race in 2001: it's an unfair advantage to go through puberty with naturally occurring male hormones. Make no mistake - I personally know the woman who made that podium. She currently manages the New England Velodrome. I completely sympathize with her issues surrounding her gender identity but at some point one has to make the point that her physiology was very specifically male during the formative years of her life. Hey, I'd love to compete at the highest level of the sport but my genetics simply don't allow that. Her genetics tried to make her male despite her wishes, and if current mores were more conservative (like russia, north korea, or floriduh), she would still be he, trying to deal with the emotional turmoil of a mind that claims feminine over a male physical manifestation. That fact alone creates an unfair advantage.

On Fri, 19 May 2023 18:43:05 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:58:01?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 May 2023 15:53:55 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>> >>>
>> >>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Andrew Muzi
>> >>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >>
>> >> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
>> >>
>> >
>> >I don’t believe he is, or anyone in the group. As in previous threads most
>> >organisations are moving to ban or limit trans women in woman’s categories.
>> >
>> >Roger Merriman
>> (:-) If it is logical to race in a woman's race because one feels one
>> is a woman then why bother? After all if one can become a "woman"
>> because one feels that is what one is, why can't one become a winner
>> "because one feels one is"?
>
>Medals for everyone!!!!!!
>
>Seriously though, I've held the same position since we had a transgendered cyclist on the podium at the Art Longsjo Fitchburg stage race in 2001: it's an unfair advantage to go through puberty with naturally occurring male hormones. Make no mistake - I personally know the woman who made that podium. She currently manages the New England Velodrome. I completely sympathize with her issues surrounding her gender identity but at some point one has to make the point that her physiology was very specifically male during the formative years of her life. Hey, I'd love to compete at the highest level of the sport but my genetics simply don't allow that. Her genetics tried to make her male despite her wishes, and if current mores were more conservative (like russia, north korea, or floriduh), she would still be he, trying to deal with the emotional turmoil of a mind that claims feminine over a male physical manifestation. That fact alone creates an unfair advantage.

Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
female.

The fact that some like boys or some like girls is really immaterial
to what they are biologically.

Rather like Tommy dreaming that he is an electrical engineer, or the
Afro bloke imaginings that he is a famous author.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 20 May 2023 12:57:31 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 19 May 2023 18:43:05 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:58:01?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 May 2023 15:53:55 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> >>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Andrew Muzi
>>> >>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>> >>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>> >>
>>> >> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >I don’t believe he is, or anyone in the group. As in previous threads most
>>> >organisations are moving to ban or limit trans women in woman’s categories.
>>> >
>>> >Roger Merriman
>>> (:-) If it is logical to race in a woman's race because one feels one
>>> is a woman then why bother? After all if one can become a "woman"
>>> because one feels that is what one is, why can't one become a winner
>>> "because one feels one is"?
>>
>>Medals for everyone!!!!!!
>>
>>Seriously though, I've held the same position since we had a transgendered cyclist on the podium at the Art Longsjo Fitchburg stage race in 2001: it's an unfair advantage to go through puberty with naturally occurring male hormones. Make no mistake - I personally know the woman who made that podium. She currently manages the New England Velodrome. I completely sympathize with her issues surrounding her gender identity but at some point one has to make the point that her physiology was very specifically male during the formative years of her life. Hey, I'd love to compete at the highest level of the sport but my genetics simply don't allow that. Her genetics tried to make her male despite her wishes, and if current mores were more conservative (like russia, north korea, or floriduh), she would still be he, trying to deal with the emotional turmoil of a mind that claims feminine over a male physical manifestation. That fact alone creates an unfair advantage.
>
>Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
>and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
>female.
>
>The fact that some like boys or some like girls is really immaterial
>to what they are biologically.
>
>Rather like Tommy dreaming that he is an electrical engineer, or the
>Afro bloke imaginings that he is a famous author.

There's no problem with a male dressing and acting like a female, even
here in Florida, but the notion that everyone honor his fantasy and
allow him to be in female specific places and athletic events is on
its way out.

The fact that only a tiny percent of the "trans" issues involve
females pretending to be male, and virtually zero percent in athletic
events, is sufficient proof that males and females are physiologically
different enough to be segregated in most athletics.

On Fri, 19 May 2023 18:43:05 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 6:58:01?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 May 2023 15:53:55 GMT, Roger Meriman <ro...@sarlet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:02:04?AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>> >>>
>> >>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Andrew Muzi
>> >>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >>
>> >> I am entirely against this which means that Flunky is entirely for it.
>> >>
>> >
>> >I don’t believe he is, or anyone in the group. As in previous threads most
>> >organisations are moving to ban or limit trans women in woman’s categories.
>> >
>> >Roger Merriman
>> (:-) If it is logical to race in a woman's race because one feels one
>> is a woman then why bother? After all if one can become a "woman"
>> because one feels that is what one is, why can't one become a winner
>> "because one feels one is"?
>
>Medals for everyone!!!!!!
>
>Seriously though, I've held the same position since we had a transgendered cyclist on the podium at the Art Longsjo Fitchburg stage race in 2001: it's an unfair advantage to go through puberty with naturally occurring male hormones. Make no mistake - I personally know the woman who made that podium. She currently manages the New England Velodrome. I completely sympathize with her issues surrounding her gender identity but at some point one has to make the point that her physiology was very specifically male during the formative years of her life. Hey, I'd love to compete at the highest level of the sport but my genetics simply don't allow that. Her genetics tried to make her male despite her wishes, and if current mores were more conservative (like russia, north korea, or floriduh), she would still be he, trying to deal with the emotional turmoil of a mind that claims feminine over a male physical manifestation. That fact alone creates an unfair advantage.

He is still a he, of course.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 1:26:03 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 May 2023 10:01:59 -0500, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>>
>>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>> He should be ashamed of himself.
>
> You do realize that the UCI rules ALLOW this and that he might have taken
> advantage of that in order to change the rules?
>
UCI is highly likely to join rugby and few other sport bodies in banning
transgender athletes. There is meeting in August in Glasgow.

The argument has essentially been won.

Roger Merriman

Am 20.05.2023 um 07:57 schrieb John B.:
> Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
> and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
> female.

According to this definition, there is the grey zone of sterile
individuals, and this grey zone shrinks but does not vanish when you
specify the existence of reproductive organs instead of specifyling
functional reproductive organs.

On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>
> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/

A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
and more apropos....

"We live in a world gone Mad."
-Stan Monteith

pH in Aptos

On 5/20/2023 1:30 PM, pH wrote:
> On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>
> A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
> and more apropos....
>
> "We live in a world gone Mad."
> -Stan Monteith
>
>
> pH in Aptos
>
+1
The sainted Bob Grant, "It's sick and getting sicker."

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:19 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 20.05.2023 um 07:57 schrieb John B.:
> > Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
> > and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
> > female.
> According to this definition, there is the grey zone of sterile
> individuals, and this grey zone shrinks but does not vanish when you
> specify the existence of reproductive organs instead of specifyling
> functional reproductive organs.

In any case a Y chromosome gives that person a distinct physical advantage over people who have only X chromosomes. The entire muscle structure is changed even at birth to take advantage of testosterone when age begins its production. Pretending that the world isn't the way it is does not change reality.

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/20/2023 1:30 PM, pH wrote:
> > On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
> >>
> >> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
> >
> > A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
> > and more apropos....
> >
> > "We live in a world gone Mad."
> > -Stan Monteith
> >
> >
> > pH in Aptos
> >
> +1
> The sainted Bob Grant, "It's sick and getting sicker."
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You'll have to remind me who Bob Grant was. I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.

On 5/20/2023 2:11 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:19 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 20.05.2023 um 07:57 schrieb John B.:
>>> Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
>>> and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
>>> female.
>> According to this definition, there is the grey zone of sterile
>> individuals, and this grey zone shrinks but does not vanish when you
>> specify the existence of reproductive organs instead of specifyling
>> functional reproductive organs.
>
> In any case a Y chromosome gives that person a distinct physical advantage over people who have only X chromosomes. The entire muscle structure is changed even at birth to take advantage of testosterone when age begins its production. Pretending that the world isn't the way it is does not change reality.
>

Kleinfelter's.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/20/2023 2:16 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 5/20/2023 1:30 PM, pH wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>>>
>>>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>>>
>>> A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
>>> and more apropos....
>>>
>>> "We live in a world gone Mad."
>>> -Stan Monteith
>>>
>>>
>>> pH in Aptos
>>>
>> +1
>> The sainted Bob Grant, "It's sick and getting sicker."

> You'll have to remind me who Bob Grant was. I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>
1970s through about 2010 Philadelphia and NYC radio.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sat, 20 May 2023 18:30:44 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:

>On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>
>A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
>and more apropos....
>
>"We live in a world gone Mad."
>-Stan Monteith
>
>
>pH in Aptos

+1

On Sat, 20 May 2023 19:29:18 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 20.05.2023 um 07:57 schrieb John B.:
>> Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
>> and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
>> female.
>
>According to this definition, there is the grey zone of sterile
>individuals, and this grey zone shrinks but does not vanish when you
>specify the existence of reproductive organs instead of specifyling
>functional reproductive organs.

Sure, you can always find some word that can be interpreted more then
one way. Tom, for example, has stated that because of a childhood
disease he is unable to father children, thus, in a sense, he does not
have functional reproductive organs. By your definition he isn't a
male which is obviously ridiculous.

--
Cheers,

John B.