On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 12:41:51 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
> > > On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
> > > <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> > >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> > >>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
> > >>>> becoming more and more lawless.
> > >>>
> > >>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
> >reality.
> > >>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime.
> >Fear
> > >>> sells advertisement.
> > >>
> > >> Crime is not dropping..
> > >>
> > >>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
> > >>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
> > >>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
> > >>>
> > >>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
> > >>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
> > >>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
> > >>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > > The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
> > > European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
> > > page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
> > > detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
> > > referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
> >
> >I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
> >fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
> >Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same.)
> >
> >Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
> >once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
> >pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
> >
> >But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
> >thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
> >disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
> >by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
> >
> >I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
> >people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
> >explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
> >news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
> >was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
> >
> >But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
> >similar fear.
> You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.

Wow, Frank notes overall crime is dropping, and the only chicken shit in this forum whose afraid to ride without a gun accuses him of fearmongering. You are a truly spectacular floriduh idiot.

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 2:58:12 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 14:29:35 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/21/2023 2:00 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:39:46 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
> >>>>>>>> becoming more and more lawless.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
> >>>> reality.
> >>>>>>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime.
> >>>> Fear
> >>>>>>> sells advertisement.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Crime is not dropping..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
> >>>>>>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
> >>>>>>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
> >>>>>>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
> >>>>>>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
> >>>>>>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
> >>>>> European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
> >>>>> page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
> >>>>> detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
> >>>>> referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
> >>>>
> >>>> I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
> >>>> fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
> >>>> Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
> >>>> once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
> >>>> pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
> >>>>
> >>>> But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
> >>>> thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
> >>>> disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
> >>>> by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
> >>>>
> >>>> I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
> >>>> people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
> >>>> explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
> >>>> news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
> >>>> was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
> >>>>
> >>>> But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
> >>>> similar fear.
> >>>
> >>> You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.
> >>
> >> Worse, he certainly seems to exaggerate (the kindest description) or
> >> perhaps the U.S. is far more fearful then other countries. After all,
> >> we have occasional reports of elephant attacks here and nobody runs
> >> and hides their head.
> >
> >I'm pretty sure the U.S. leads in the number of guns purchased for
> >"protection." Draw your own conclusion about U.S. fearfulness.
> Most gun owners have no fear of what they bought the guns for.

Kitty the floriduh idiot writes "I'm not afraid as long as I have my gun"

I don't own gun, I'm not afraid of crime. You're the one saying crime is increasing and being afraid to ride without a gun, accusing others of fear mongering. Yes, a truly spectacular floriduh idiot.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 17:03:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:10:25 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 22 May 2023 21:17:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
>>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>>>
>>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
>>>> back, etcetera.
>>>>
>>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>>>
>>>You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>>>should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>>>compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>>>it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>>>early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>>>
>>>You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>>>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>>
>>
>>No thanks, I usually ignore unsolicited advice on what is and isn't "a
>>wise rule for living."
>
>I tried to look at it but they want to charge you for looking so that
>was the end of that.

I 'm not inclined to read the NY Times even if it was free.

>But I did see one quote, "not to be afraid to
>walk away from new technology. "To be tech-savvy is not a virtue," he
>writes.", which seems a bit excessive although granted it is just a
>quote.

I can remember back when one wasn't exposed to lectures on virtue
outside of church, which is why I'm no longer involved with them.
Nowdays, it seems, the pathetic fools in the news and entertainent
media know what's in my best interest. They, and other pathetic fools
I've run into on the Internet, are constantly barking their advice on
how to live my life.

>I remember, for instance, older women, often farm women, cooking on
>wood stoves, and the "Ice Man" delivering the ice for the "ice box" at
>my grandmother's house three times a week. In those circumstances gas
>or electric stoves and electric refrigerates ARE high tech (:-)

One of my favorite movies from years ago:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049233/

"Friendly Persuasion" from an equally misnamed book "The Friendly
Persuasion."

It's a story about steadfast independance and individualism.

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:09:43 PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>
> >
> >I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
> >that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.
>
> You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
> were more likely to get shot.

Stated with links to studies and statistics, dumbass. Your response? "<snivel> no their not".

> That's an admission that you fear
> having a gun in your home.

Projection from the chickenshit afraid to ride without his gun.

> >IOW, you're mimicking Kunich by either "remembering" wrongly or, more
> >likely, by deliberately lying.
> <LOL> Krygowski's gaslighting attempts are pathetic....

We can add 'gasligting' to yet another concept the kitty the floriduh idiot doesn't understand.

> >Again: You are afraid to claim a traffic lane when legal and necessary
> >for safety;
> Nope, I've done that.. more than once. It was a few years ago. I
> don't ride there any more.

because you're afraid to.

> > that's what got you mad at me in the first place. You are
> >afraid to ride anywhere but on a paved bike trail in flat Florida.
> Nope... I routinely ride on rural roads. I did it just last Friday..
> >You
> >don't even have the courage to bike TO the trail.
> <LOL> Courage? No, it doesn't take courage, just a desire to stay
> off a nasty, potholed road or the cement sidewalk/bike trail alongside
> it. The sidewalk has a seam every few feet and several driveway
> depressions to traverse.

OOOOHHH!!!! How scary!!!!! Seams in the roads and driveways!!!! Too bad your big bad gun can't protect you from those!!!

> >You are afraid to do
> >even that riding without carrying a gun.
> A wise move, on my part, says the local LEO.

Because they take one look a a guy on a tricycle with a gun and say "yeah, you should stay as far away from other people as possible"

> >You are afraid to enter into
> >conversations with others when you ride.
> Huh? You can't converse when you're riding solo.

You can if you weren't afraid of talking to other people you see when you ride, dumbass.

> >No other poster here has all those limitations, which makes you our most
> >cowardly poster.
> Except you, who is afraid to attach your feet to the bike's pedals.
> It's not all that hard, maybe you could take some lessons.

Sure, let's equate not being comfortable with clipless pedals with being afraid to ride without a gun, dumbass....Besides, you've repeated explained why you're afraid to ride with _out_ being clipped in.

> > Don't claim to be tough and brave, it's not working.
> Never have..
>
> But then, unlike me, you've never gone off sailing in the Caribbean
> all alone for several months. Unlike me, you've never gone scuba
> diving amongst sharks. You've never been brave enough to hike and camp
> solo in the high Rocky Moutains where there are grizzleys, like I
> have. Have you ever surprised a moose and had her come after you?

Taking lessons from the shit-stained irish troll now.....What's next? paratrooping into a war zone?

> >And drop the psychological projection, attributing your own cowardice to
> >others.
> You've never had the courage to do anything the slightest bit
> adventurous. You're afraid of being alone. You need you're your social
> relationships like fish need water.

Frank has documented (published) his extensive cycling experiences. Nothing from a scared little tricycle rider besides calims an insults.

> >Also, TRY to get over your obsession with me! You're following me like a
> >yapping chihuahua, annoying as hell and no more intelligent.
> <SNORT> Not nearly as much as you follow Tom around 'like a
> yapping chihuahua." That doesn't seem to bother him nearly as much as
> it bothers you.

Floriduh dumbass doesn't seem to recall the dozens of threads tommy has dedicated to Frank over the years. Yeah, I guess in kitty world that makes Frank the obsessive one.

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:11:02 PM UTC-7, pH wrote:
> On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
> >> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12 PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
> >>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
> >>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
> >>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
> >>>
> >>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
> >> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
> >>
> >> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
> >> back, etcetera.
> >>
> >> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
> >
> > You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
> > should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
> > compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
> > it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
> > early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
> >
> > You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
> >
> I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's preaching to
> the choir.
>
> I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's and WordStar
> forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
> handwriting on the wall.
>
> Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
>
> pH in Aptos
I was an early adopter of CP/M but that was necessary for my job.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 04:22:30 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:09:43?PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
>> >that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.
>>
>> You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
>> were more likely to get shot.
>
>Stated with links to studies and statistics, dumbass. Your response? "<snivel> no their not".
>

Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
coincide.

Arkansas has a gun ownership of 57.9% and a gun homicide rate of
3.7/100,000. Idaho has a gun ownership of 56.9% and a homicide rate of
1.5. 1% fewer guns and less then half the firearm murders.

North Dakota has gun ownership of 47.9% and firearm murder rate of
1.2./100,000 while Maine has a gun ownership of 22.6 and a homicide
are of 1.2.

The data is out there. All you have to do is look (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:00:28 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 23 May 2023 04:22:30 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:09:43?PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
>>> >that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.
>>>
>>> You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
>>> were more likely to get shot.
>>
>>Stated with links to studies and statistics, dumbass. Your response? "<snivel> no their not".

<chuckle> People who get shot are likely to have guns themselves....

>Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
>coincide.
>
>Arkansas has a gun ownership of 57.9% and a gun homicide rate of
>3.7/100,000. Idaho has a gun ownership of 56.9% and a homicide rate of
>1.5. 1% fewer guns and less then half the firearm murders.
>
>North Dakota has gun ownership of 47.9% and firearm murder rate of
>1.2./100,000 while Maine has a gun ownership of 22.6 and a homicide
>are of 1.2.
>
> The data is out there. All you have to do is look (:-)

<chuckle> People who get shot are likely to have guns themselves....

On 5/23/2023 9:23 AM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:00:28 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 04:22:30 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:09:43?PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
>>>>> that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.
>>>>
>>>> You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
>>>> were more likely to get shot.
>>>
>>> Stated with links to studies and statistics, dumbass. Your response? "<snivel> no their not".
>
> <chuckle> People who get shot are likely to have guns themselves....
>
>> Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
>> coincide.
>>
>> Arkansas has a gun ownership of 57.9% and a gun homicide rate of
>> 3.7/100,000. Idaho has a gun ownership of 56.9% and a homicide rate of
>> 1.5. 1% fewer guns and less then half the firearm murders.
>>
>> North Dakota has gun ownership of 47.9% and firearm murder rate of
>> 1.2./100,000 while Maine has a gun ownership of 22.6 and a homicide
>> are of 1.2.
>>
>> The data is out there. All you have to do is look (:-)
>
>
> <chuckle> People who get shot are likely to have guns themselves....
>

We discussed that thoroughly already.

People in areas and or situations with higher risk are much
more likely to (prudently) arm themselves. Cart, horse, etc.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone
bicycles in the USA.
>>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open
Rivendell Bicycle
>>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in
business.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of
it when he
>>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>>>
>>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell
phone
>>>> back, etcetera.
>>>>
>>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>>>
>>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>>> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>>>
>>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>>>
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>>>
>>
>> I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's
preaching to
>> the choir.
>>
>> I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's
and WordStar
>> forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
>> handwriting on the wall.
>>
>> Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
>>
>> pH in Aptos
>
> But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
> at the time (:-)...
>
> I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
> program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
> project we had in the Java sea and it worked great....
>
> Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
> two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
> minutes (:-)...
> And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
> (:-)

The article wasn't talking against using computers in productive ways.
The author (a journalist) began by discussing the detrimental effects on
her family of her own Twitter use. She felt compelled to use Twitter as
part of her career, but later decided it was so addicting that it
damaged relationships.

Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
are detrimental.

It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.

The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.

Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/23/2023 10:00 AM, John B. wrote:

>
> Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
> coincide.

Nobody here has ever claimed that gun ownership _necessarily_ means a
homicide will follow. That's not what data analysis says. In fact,
that's not the sort of statement that comes from any analysis of any
population data on any topic.

You find a couple rural states with lots of two barrelled hunting
shotguns, and extrapolate to guns with high capacity magazines in cities
and suburbs. Those are not comparable.

And there are people posting here who find some bit of outlier evidence
and think it refutes tens of thousands of data points.

I'm guessing those people are the ones making the various state lottery
programs so profitable.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:01:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
> >>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone
>bicycles in the USA.
> >>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open
>Rivendell Bicycle
> >>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in
>business.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of
>it when he
> >>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
> >>>>
> >>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell
>phone
> >>>> back, etcetera.
> >>>>
> >>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
> >>>
> >>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
> >>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
> >>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
> >>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
> >>> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
> >>>
> >>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
> >>>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
> >>>
> >>
> >> I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's
>preaching to
> >> the choir.
> >>
> >> I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's
>and WordStar
> >> forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
> >> handwriting on the wall.
> >>
> >> Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
> >>
> >> pH in Aptos
> >
> > But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
> > at the time (:-)...
> >
> > I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
> > program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
> > project we had in the Java sea and it worked great....
> >
> > Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
> > two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
> > minutes (:-)...
> > And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
> > (:-)
>
>The article wasn't talking against using computers in productive ways.
>The author (a journalist) began by discussing the detrimental effects on
>her family of her own Twitter use. She felt compelled to use Twitter as
>part of her career, but later decided it was so addicting that it
>damaged relationships.
>
>Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
>really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
>Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
>are detrimental.

As if she actually knew which technology is beneficial to other
people.

>It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
>examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.

Most people already do that without sanctmonious advice from do-gooder
central.

>The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.

No, the alternative is to ignore unsolicited advice.

>Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.

You buy what you want, and I'll buy what I want. Why I buy what I buy
is none of your, or her business.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:17:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/23/2023 10:00 AM, John B. wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
> > coincide.
>
>Nobody here has ever claimed that gun ownership _necessarily_ means a
>homicide will follow. That's not what data analysis says. In fact,
>that's not the sort of statement that comes from any analysis of any
>population data on any topic.
>
>You find a couple rural states with lots of two barrelled hunting
>shotguns, and extrapolate to guns with high capacity magazines in cities
>and suburbs. Those are not comparable.
>
>And there are people posting here who find some bit of outlier evidence
>and think it refutes tens of thousands of data points.
>
>I'm guessing those people are the ones making the various state lottery
>programs so profitable.

Coorelation is not causation..

All the tens of thousands of data points show is that people who get
shot, are likely to have guns themselves.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 04:22:30 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:09:43?PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
>> >that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.
>>
>> You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
>> were more likely to get shot.
>
>Stated with links to studies and statistics, dumbass. Your response? "<snivel> no their not".
>
>> That's an admission that you fear
>> having a gun in your home.
>
>Projection from the chickenshit afraid to ride without his gun.
>
>> >IOW, you're mimicking Kunich by either "remembering" wrongly or, more
>> >likely, by deliberately lying.
>> <LOL> Krygowski's gaslighting attempts are pathetic....
>
>We can add 'gasligting' to yet another concept the kitty the floriduh idiot doesn't understand.
>
>> >Again: You are afraid to claim a traffic lane when legal and necessary
>> >for safety;
>> Nope, I've done that.. more than once. It was a few years ago. I
>> don't ride there any more.
>
>because you're afraid to.
>
>
>> > that's what got you mad at me in the first place. You are
>> >afraid to ride anywhere but on a paved bike trail in flat Florida.
>> Nope... I routinely ride on rural roads. I did it just last Friday..
>> >You
>> >don't even have the courage to bike TO the trail.
>> <LOL> Courage? No, it doesn't take courage, just a desire to stay
>> off a nasty, potholed road or the cement sidewalk/bike trail alongside
>> it. The sidewalk has a seam every few feet and several driveway
>> depressions to traverse.
>
>OOOOHHH!!!! How scary!!!!! Seams in the roads and driveways!!!! Too bad your big bad gun can't protect you from those!!!
>
>> >You are afraid to do
>> >even that riding without carrying a gun.
>> A wise move, on my part, says the local LEO.
>
>Because they take one look a a guy on a tricycle with a gun and say "yeah, you should stay as far away from other people as possible"
>
>> >You are afraid to enter into
>> >conversations with others when you ride.
>> Huh? You can't converse when you're riding solo.
>
>You can if you weren't afraid of talking to other people you see when you ride, dumbass.
>
>> >No other poster here has all those limitations, which makes you our most
>> >cowardly poster.
>> Except you, who is afraid to attach your feet to the bike's pedals.
>> It's not all that hard, maybe you could take some lessons.
>
>Sure, let's equate not being comfortable with clipless pedals with being afraid to ride without a gun, dumbass....Besides, you've repeated explained why you're afraid to ride with _out_ being clipped in.
>
>> > Don't claim to be tough and brave, it's not working.
>> Never have..
>>
>> But then, unlike me, you've never gone off sailing in the Caribbean
>> all alone for several months. Unlike me, you've never gone scuba
>> diving amongst sharks. You've never been brave enough to hike and camp
>> solo in the high Rocky Moutains where there are grizzleys, like I
>> have. Have you ever surprised a moose and had her come after you?
>
>Taking lessons from the shit-stained irish troll now.....What's next? paratrooping into a war zone?
>
>> >And drop the psychological projection, attributing your own cowardice to
>> >others.
>> You've never had the courage to do anything the slightest bit
>> adventurous. You're afraid of being alone. You need you're your social
>> relationships like fish need water.
>
>Frank has documented (published) his extensive cycling experiences.

<LOL> ...and riding a bicycle is so adventurous.

On 2023-05-23, John B <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
>>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>>>
>>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
>>>> back, etcetera.
>>>>
>>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>>>
>>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>>> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>>>
>>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>>>
>>
>>I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's preaching to
>>the choir.
>>
>>I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's and WordStar
>>forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
>>handwriting on the wall.
>>
>>Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
>>
>>pH in Aptos
>
> But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
> at the time (:-)
>
> I had bought one and become enchanted with it and had started arguing
> with the company that "we should buy a computer" and was told that
> "computers cost thousands of dollars" and they did. Think back to the
> early IBM and DEC computers.
>
> I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
> program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
> project we had in the Java sea and it worked great.
>
> Then I discovered Word Star and taught the secretary how to use that.
> The "boss" was a great "editor", his secretary would type a two page
> letter and then the boss would edit it and change a couple of words
> and the poor secretary would have to retype the whole two pages.
>
> Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
> two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
> minutes (:-)
>
> And secretaries do talk to each other. "Yup, my boss edits the letter
> and I can print the new letter in 10 minutes!" "No more staying late
> to finish the correspondence!"
>
> Pretty soon I had most of the supervisors in the company coming in
> saying, "Tell me about this computer thing my secretary is complaining
> about."
>
> And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
> (:-)

That is a great story! I remember the 16K (that's 'K', mind you) expansion
card to bring my II+ to a full 64K was $400...late 70's/early 80's dollars.

How much is a 64GB thumb drive these days?......

pH in Aptos

On Tue, 23 May 2023 17:54:21 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:

>On 2023-05-23, John B <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
>>>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
>>>>> back, etcetera.
>>>>>
>>>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>>>>
>>>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>>>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>>>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>>>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>>>> early adopters? is not a wise rule for living."
>>>>
>>>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's preaching to
>>>the choir.
>>>
>>>I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's and WordStar
>>>forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
>>>handwriting on the wall.
>>>
>>>Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
>>>
>>>pH in Aptos
>>
>> But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
>> at the time (:-)
>>
>> I had bought one and become enchanted with it and had started arguing
>> with the company that "we should buy a computer" and was told that
>> "computers cost thousands of dollars" and they did. Think back to the
>> early IBM and DEC computers.
>>
>> I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
>> program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
>> project we had in the Java sea and it worked great.
>>
>> Then I discovered Word Star and taught the secretary how to use that.
>> The "boss" was a great "editor", his secretary would type a two page
>> letter and then the boss would edit it and change a couple of words
>> and the poor secretary would have to retype the whole two pages.
>>
>> Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
>> two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
>> minutes (:-)
>>
>> And secretaries do talk to each other. "Yup, my boss edits the letter
>> and I can print the new letter in 10 minutes!" "No more staying late
>> to finish the correspondence!"
>>
>> Pretty soon I had most of the supervisors in the company coming in
>> saying, "Tell me about this computer thing my secretary is complaining
>> about."
>>
>> And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
>> (:-)
>
>That is a great story! I remember the 16K (that's 'K', mind you) expansion
>card to bring my II+ to a full 64K was $400...late 70's/early 80's dollars.
>
>How much is a 64GB thumb drive these days?......
>
>pH in Aptos

I remember the first system computer I worked with at my company's new
control center. It was a dual system with magnetic Ccore memory. Tiny
donuts made of magnetic material strung on wires into an array. Each
donut was a bit, magnetized one way for “zero,” and the other way for
“one.” The wires could both detect and change the magnetization. I
don't remember how much of it we had. Each machine also had a hard
ceramic disk that weighed 5 lbs and was enclosed in a cabinet that was
the size of a washing machine and wiggled and wobbled like a washing
machine out of balance. I remember writing programs that required
dumping intermediate data out to tape, then reading it back in so the
program could contunue.

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:41:33 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:01:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
> > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
> > >>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
> > >>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone
> >bicycles in the USA.
> > >>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open
> >Rivendell Bicycle
> > >>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in
> >business.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of
> >it when he
> > >>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell
> >phone
> > >>>> back, etcetera.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
> > >>>
> > >>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
> > >>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
> > >>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
> > >>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
> > >>> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
> > >>>
> > >>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
> > >>>
> >https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion..html
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's
> >preaching to
> > >> the choir.
> > >>
> > >> I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's
> >and WordStar
> > >> forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
> > >> handwriting on the wall.
> > >>
> > >> Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
> > >>
> > >> pH in Aptos
> > >
> > > But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
> > > at the time (:-)...
> > >
> > > I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
> > > program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
> > > project we had in the Java sea and it worked great....
> > >
> > > Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
> > > two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
> > > minutes (:-)...
> > > And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
> > > (:-)
> >
> >The article wasn't talking against using computers in productive ways.
> >The author (a journalist) began by discussing the detrimental effects on
> >her family of her own Twitter use. She felt compelled to use Twitter as
> >part of her career, but later decided it was so addicting that it
> >damaged relationships.
> >
> >Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
> >really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
> >Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
> >are detrimental.
> As if she actually knew which technology is beneficial to other
> people.
> >It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
> >examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
> Most people already do that without sanctmonious advice from do-gooder
> central.
> >The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
> >the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
> >advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
> No, the alternative is to ignore unsolicited advice.
> >Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
> >cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
> You buy what you want, and I'll buy what I want. Why I buy what I buy
> is none of your, or her business.

I find the responses of Frank to show why he became a teacher rather than try and provide the world with competent skills.

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:45:32 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 04:22:30 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:09:43?PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
> >> >that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.
> >>
> >> You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
> >> were more likely to get shot.
> >
> >Stated with links to studies and statistics, dumbass. Your response? "<snivel> no their not".
> >
> >> That's an admission that you fear
> >> having a gun in your home.
> >
> >Projection from the chickenshit afraid to ride without his gun.
> >
> >> >IOW, you're mimicking Kunich by either "remembering" wrongly or, more
> >> >likely, by deliberately lying.
> >> <LOL> Krygowski's gaslighting attempts are pathetic....
> >
> >We can add 'gasligting' to yet another concept the kitty the floriduh idiot doesn't understand.
> >
> >> >Again: You are afraid to claim a traffic lane when legal and necessary
> >> >for safety;
> >> Nope, I've done that.. more than once. It was a few years ago. I
> >> don't ride there any more.
> >
> >because you're afraid to.
> >
> >
> >> > that's what got you mad at me in the first place. You are
> >> >afraid to ride anywhere but on a paved bike trail in flat Florida.
> >> Nope... I routinely ride on rural roads. I did it just last Friday..
> >> >You
> >> >don't even have the courage to bike TO the trail.
> >> <LOL> Courage? No, it doesn't take courage, just a desire to stay
> >> off a nasty, potholed road or the cement sidewalk/bike trail alongside
> >> it. The sidewalk has a seam every few feet and several driveway
> >> depressions to traverse.
> >
> >OOOOHHH!!!! How scary!!!!! Seams in the roads and driveways!!!! Too bad your big bad gun can't protect you from those!!!
> >
> >> >You are afraid to do
> >> >even that riding without carrying a gun.
> >> A wise move, on my part, says the local LEO.
> >
> >Because they take one look a a guy on a tricycle with a gun and say "yeah, you should stay as far away from other people as possible"
> >
> >> >You are afraid to enter into
> >> >conversations with others when you ride.
> >> Huh? You can't converse when you're riding solo.
> >
> >You can if you weren't afraid of talking to other people you see when you ride, dumbass.
> >
> >> >No other poster here has all those limitations, which makes you our most
> >> >cowardly poster.
> >> Except you, who is afraid to attach your feet to the bike's pedals.
> >> It's not all that hard, maybe you could take some lessons.
> >
> >Sure, let's equate not being comfortable with clipless pedals with being afraid to ride without a gun, dumbass....Besides, you've repeated explained why you're afraid to ride with _out_ being clipped in.
> >
> >> > Don't claim to be tough and brave, it's not working.
> >> Never have..
> >>
> >> But then, unlike me, you've never gone off sailing in the Caribbean
> >> all alone for several months. Unlike me, you've never gone scuba
> >> diving amongst sharks. You've never been brave enough to hike and camp
> >> solo in the high Rocky Moutains where there are grizzleys, like I
> >> have. Have you ever surprised a moose and had her come after you?
> >
> >Taking lessons from the shit-stained irish troll now.....What's next? paratrooping into a war zone?
> >
> >> >And drop the psychological projection, attributing your own cowardice to
> >> >others.
> >> You've never had the courage to do anything the slightest bit
> >> adventurous. You're afraid of being alone. You need you're your social
> >> relationships like fish need water.
> >
> >Frank has documented (published) his extensive cycling experiences.
> <LOL> ...and riding a bicycle is so adventurous.

Every time you read a posting from Flunky, isn't the first thought that passes through your head "My God, isn't he smart"? And I have to agree - he isn't.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:41:33?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:01:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > >>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>> > >>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>> > >>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone
>> >bicycles in the USA.
>> > >>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open
>> >Rivendell Bicycle
>> > >>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in
>> >business.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of
>> >it when he
>> > >>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell
>> >phone
>> > >>>> back, etcetera.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>> > >>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>> > >>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>> > >>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>> > >>> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>> > >>>
>> > >>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>> > >>>
>> >https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's
>> >preaching to
>> > >> the choir.
>> > >>
>> > >> I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's
>> >and WordStar
>> > >> forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
>> > >> handwriting on the wall.
>> > >>
>> > >> Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
>> > >>
>> > >> pH in Aptos
>> > >
>> > > But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
>> > > at the time (:-)...
>> > >
>> > > I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
>> > > program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
>> > > project we had in the Java sea and it worked great....
>> > >
>> > > Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
>> > > two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
>> > > minutes (:-)...
>> > > And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
>> > > (:-)
>> >
>> >The article wasn't talking against using computers in productive ways.
>> >The author (a journalist) began by discussing the detrimental effects on
>> >her family of her own Twitter use. She felt compelled to use Twitter as
>> >part of her career, but later decided it was so addicting that it
>> >damaged relationships.
>> >
>> >Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
>> >really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
>> >Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
>> >are detrimental.
>> As if she actually knew which technology is beneficial to other
>> people.
>> >It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
>> >examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
>> Most people already do that without sanctmonious advice from do-gooder
>> central.
>> >The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>> >the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>> >advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
>> No, the alternative is to ignore unsolicited advice.
>> >Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>> >cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
>> You buy what you want, and I'll buy what I want. Why I buy what I buy
>> is none of your, or her business.
>
>I find the responses of Frank to show why he became a teacher rather than try and provide the world with competent skills.

Those that can, do, those that can't, teach?

On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:44:23 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:17:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/23/2023 10:00 AM, John B. wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
>> > coincide.
>>
>>Nobody here has ever claimed that gun ownership _necessarily_ means a
>>homicide will follow. That's not what data analysis says. In fact,
>>that's not the sort of statement that comes from any analysis of any
>>population data on any topic.
>>
>>You find a couple rural states with lots of two barrelled hunting
>>shotguns, and extrapolate to guns with high capacity magazines in cities
>>and suburbs. Those are not comparable.
>>
>>And there are people posting here who find some bit of outlier evidence
>>and think it refutes tens of thousands of data points.
>>
>>I'm guessing those people are the ones making the various state lottery
>>programs so profitable.
>
>Coorelation is not causation..
>
>All the tens of thousands of data points show is that people who get
>shot, are likely to have guns themselves.

Gee and wasn't it Frankie who was telling us that guns in the house
made it more likely the you would die by a gun? And now when I
demonstrate that "'tain't necessarily true", he changes his tune.

Now it seems to be "if you have an AR in the house"... Strange isn't
it that the FBI, who actually keep records about these sort of things
say, "Nope tain't so" as hand guns are used in a vast majority of
firearm homicides. To the extent that hands and feet were used in more
homicides then any sort of rifle the last time I checked.

So now Frankie will leap into the fray shouting "I didn't say it! "I
didn't say it".

A carefully reader might note that Frank has carefully deleted any
reference to what he actually wrote, which is a great aid if one wants
to deny what he has previously said (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 24 May 2023 05:01:00 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:44:23 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:17:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/23/2023 10:00 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
>>> > coincide.
>>>
>>>Nobody here has ever claimed that gun ownership _necessarily_ means a
>>>homicide will follow. That's not what data analysis says. In fact,
>>>that's not the sort of statement that comes from any analysis of any
>>>population data on any topic.
>>>
>>>You find a couple rural states with lots of two barrelled hunting
>>>shotguns, and extrapolate to guns with high capacity magazines in cities
>>>and suburbs. Those are not comparable.
>>>
>>>And there are people posting here who find some bit of outlier evidence
>>>and think it refutes tens of thousands of data points.
>>>
>>>I'm guessing those people are the ones making the various state lottery
>>>programs so profitable.
>>
>>Coorelation is not causation..
>>
>>All the tens of thousands of data points show is that people who get
>>shot, are likely to have guns themselves.
>
>Gee and wasn't it Frankie who was telling us that guns in the house
>made it more likely the you would die by a gun? And now when I
>demonstrate that "'tain't necessarily true", he changes his tune.
>
>Now it seems to be "if you have an AR in the house"... Strange isn't
>it that the FBI, who actually keep records about these sort of things
>say, "Nope tain't so" as hand guns are used in a vast majority of
>firearm homicides. To the extent that hands and feet were used in more
>homicides then any sort of rifle the last time I checked.
>
>So now Frankie will leap into the fray shouting "I didn't say it! "I
>didn't say it".
>
>A carefully reader might note that Frank has carefully deleted any
>reference to what he actually wrote, which is a great aid if one wants
>to deny what he has previously said (:-)

Is Kryowski dishonest enough to attempt to make others afraid of
something that he himself is not afraid of?

He either is that dishonest, or he is actually afraid of having a gun
in his house.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 12:18:09 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:45:32?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 04:22:30 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 9:09:43?PM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
>> >> >that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.
>> >>
>> >> You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
>> >> were more likely to get shot.
>> >
>> >Stated with links to studies and statistics, dumbass. Your response? "<snivel> no their not".
>> >
>> >> That's an admission that you fear
>> >> having a gun in your home.
>> >
>> >Projection from the chickenshit afraid to ride without his gun.
>> >
>> >> >IOW, you're mimicking Kunich by either "remembering" wrongly or, more
>> >> >likely, by deliberately lying.
>> >> <LOL> Krygowski's gaslighting attempts are pathetic....
>> >
>> >We can add 'gasligting' to yet another concept the kitty the floriduh idiot doesn't understand.
>> >
>> >> >Again: You are afraid to claim a traffic lane when legal and necessary
>> >> >for safety;
>> >> Nope, I've done that.. more than once. It was a few years ago. I
>> >> don't ride there any more.
>> >
>> >because you're afraid to.
>> >
>> >
>> >> > that's what got you mad at me in the first place. You are
>> >> >afraid to ride anywhere but on a paved bike trail in flat Florida.
>> >> Nope... I routinely ride on rural roads. I did it just last Friday..
>> >> >You
>> >> >don't even have the courage to bike TO the trail.
>> >> <LOL> Courage? No, it doesn't take courage, just a desire to stay
>> >> off a nasty, potholed road or the cement sidewalk/bike trail alongside
>> >> it. The sidewalk has a seam every few feet and several driveway
>> >> depressions to traverse.
>> >
>> >OOOOHHH!!!! How scary!!!!! Seams in the roads and driveways!!!! Too bad your big bad gun can't protect you from those!!!
>> >
>> >> >You are afraid to do
>> >> >even that riding without carrying a gun.
>> >> A wise move, on my part, says the local LEO.
>> >
>> >Because they take one look a a guy on a tricycle with a gun and say "yeah, you should stay as far away from other people as possible"
>> >
>> >> >You are afraid to enter into
>> >> >conversations with others when you ride.
>> >> Huh? You can't converse when you're riding solo.
>> >
>> >You can if you weren't afraid of talking to other people you see when you ride, dumbass.
>> >
>> >> >No other poster here has all those limitations, which makes you our most
>> >> >cowardly poster.
>> >> Except you, who is afraid to attach your feet to the bike's pedals.
>> >> It's not all that hard, maybe you could take some lessons.
>> >
>> >Sure, let's equate not being comfortable with clipless pedals with being afraid to ride without a gun, dumbass....Besides, you've repeated explained why you're afraid to ride with _out_ being clipped in.
>> >
>> >> > Don't claim to be tough and brave, it's not working.
>> >> Never have..
>> >>
>> >> But then, unlike me, you've never gone off sailing in the Caribbean
>> >> all alone for several months. Unlike me, you've never gone scuba
>> >> diving amongst sharks. You've never been brave enough to hike and camp
>> >> solo in the high Rocky Moutains where there are grizzleys, like I
>> >> have. Have you ever surprised a moose and had her come after you?
>> >
>> >Taking lessons from the shit-stained irish troll now.....What's next? paratrooping into a war zone?
>> >
>> >> >And drop the psychological projection, attributing your own cowardice to
>> >> >others.
>> >> You've never had the courage to do anything the slightest bit
>> >> adventurous. You're afraid of being alone. You need you're your social
>> >> relationships like fish need water.
>> >
>> >Frank has documented (published) his extensive cycling experiences.
>> <LOL> ...and riding a bicycle is so adventurous.
>
>Every time you read a posting from Flunky, isn't the first thought that passes through your head "My God, isn't he smart"? And I have to agree - he isn't.

Well perhaps... but the first thought that passes through your head
when you read one of Good Old Tommy's post is, "He's lying again".

And Everybody agrees!
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 18:33:07 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Wed, 24 May 2023 05:01:00 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:44:23 -0400, Catrike Rider
>><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:17:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 5/23/2023 10:00 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
>>>> > coincide.
>>>>
>>>>Nobody here has ever claimed that gun ownership _necessarily_ means a
>>>>homicide will follow. That's not what data analysis says. In fact,
>>>>that's not the sort of statement that comes from any analysis of any
>>>>population data on any topic.
>>>>
>>>>You find a couple rural states with lots of two barrelled hunting
>>>>shotguns, and extrapolate to guns with high capacity magazines in cities
>>>>and suburbs. Those are not comparable.
>>>>
>>>>And there are people posting here who find some bit of outlier evidence
>>>>and think it refutes tens of thousands of data points.
>>>>
>>>>I'm guessing those people are the ones making the various state lottery
>>>>programs so profitable.
>>>
>>>Coorelation is not causation..
>>>
>>>All the tens of thousands of data points show is that people who get
>>>shot, are likely to have guns themselves.
>>
>>Gee and wasn't it Frankie who was telling us that guns in the house
>>made it more likely the you would die by a gun? And now when I
>>demonstrate that "'tain't necessarily true", he changes his tune.
>>
>>Now it seems to be "if you have an AR in the house"... Strange isn't
>>it that the FBI, who actually keep records about these sort of things
>>say, "Nope tain't so" as hand guns are used in a vast majority of
>>firearm homicides. To the extent that hands and feet were used in more
>>homicides then any sort of rifle the last time I checked.
>>
>>So now Frankie will leap into the fray shouting "I didn't say it! "I
>>didn't say it".
>>
>>A carefully reader might note that Frank has carefully deleted any
>>reference to what he actually wrote, which is a great aid if one wants
>>to deny what he has previously said (:-)
>
>Is Kryowski dishonest enough to attempt to make others afraid of
>something that he himself is not afraid of?
>
>He either is that dishonest, or he is actually afraid of having a gun
>in his house.

But it is not "dishonesty" per se. It is that being a school teacher
and thus so obviously a very superior person his most minuscule
utterances must be treated as though it was "carved on tablets of
stone", so to speak.

Why, when he belches the multitudes applaud and when he "breaks wind",
while the multitudes remain silent, his wife says "Pew!"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 17:54:21 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:

>On 2023-05-23, John B <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
>>>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
>>>>> back, etcetera.
>>>>>
>>>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>>>>
>>>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>>>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>>>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>>>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>>>> early adopters? is not a wise rule for living."
>>>>
>>>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>>>>
>>>
>>>I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's preaching to
>>>the choir.
>>>
>>>I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's and WordStar
>>>forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
>>>handwriting on the wall.
>>>
>>>Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
>>>
>>>pH in Aptos
>>
>> But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
>> at the time (:-)
>>
>> I had bought one and become enchanted with it and had started arguing
>> with the company that "we should buy a computer" and was told that
>> "computers cost thousands of dollars" and they did. Think back to the
>> early IBM and DEC computers.
>>
>> I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
>> program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
>> project we had in the Java sea and it worked great.
>>
>> Then I discovered Word Star and taught the secretary how to use that.
>> The "boss" was a great "editor", his secretary would type a two page
>> letter and then the boss would edit it and change a couple of words
>> and the poor secretary would have to retype the whole two pages.
>>
>> Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
>> two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
>> minutes (:-)
>>
>> And secretaries do talk to each other. "Yup, my boss edits the letter
>> and I can print the new letter in 10 minutes!" "No more staying late
>> to finish the correspondence!"
>>
>> Pretty soon I had most of the supervisors in the company coming in
>> saying, "Tell me about this computer thing my secretary is complaining
>> about."
>>
>> And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
>> (:-)
>
>That is a great story! I remember the 16K (that's 'K', mind you) expansion
>card to bring my II+ to a full 64K was $400...late 70's/early 80's dollars.
>
>How much is a 64GB thumb drive these days?......
>
>pH in Aptos

And the disc II!. An unbelievable amount of data could be stored!
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:44:23 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>All the tens of thousands of data points show is that people who get
>shot, are likely to have guns themselves.

<https://gunsandamerica.org/story/20/09/17/how-many-gun-owners-united-states-explainer/>
"40% of adult Americans own a gun or live with someone who does"

That means if someone randomly shoots into an adult crowd, 40% of
those hit well be either gun owners or have a gun on the premisis.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 5/23/2023 6:01 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:44:23 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:17:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/23/2023 10:00 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Actually gun and ownership and firearm homicide do not necessarily
>>>> coincide.
>>>
>>> Nobody here has ever claimed that gun ownership _necessarily_ means a
>>> homicide will follow. That's not what data analysis says. In fact,
>>> that's not the sort of statement that comes from any analysis of any
>>> population data on any topic.
>>>
>>> You find a couple rural states with lots of two barrelled hunting
>>> shotguns, and extrapolate to guns with high capacity magazines in
cities
>>> and suburbs. Those are not comparable.
>>>
>>> And there are people posting here who find some bit of outlier evidence
>>> and think it refutes tens of thousands of data points.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing those people are the ones making the various state lottery
>>> programs so profitable.
>>
>> Coorelation is not causation..
>>
>> All the tens of thousands of data points show is that people who get
>> shot, are likely to have guns themselves.
>
> Gee and wasn't it Frankie who was telling us that guns in the house
> made it more likely the you would die by a gun? And now when I
> demonstrate that "'tain't necessarily true", he changes his tune.

No, John, I'm not changing my tune. I'm stating mathematical facts. Data
and correlation are extremely powerful tools and are not ignored by any
but the mathematically ignorant. But nobody with mathematical sense
claims that there are zero exemptions to strong correlations.

Having a gun in the home is not a guarantee someone will get killed. And
having a gun in the home is not a guarantee it will be effective at
"protection." But there's plenty of data indicating the first is more
likely than the second; IOW for most people, having a gun for
"protection" is probably a bad idea.

Read about it:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M21-3762

https://time.com/6183881/gun-ownership-risks-at-home/

> Now it seems to be "if you have an AR in the house"...

"It seems to be" only to people whose love of ARs overwhelms their
reading comprehension abilities. Scan my post again. I did NOT mention
ARs. I mentioned high capacity magazines.

And you mock Tom's reading comprehension and memory!

> So now Frankie will leap into the fray shouting "I didn't say it! "I
> didn't say it".

Show me where in the post just above I said that. Put up or shut up.

> A carefully reader might note that Frank has carefully deleted any
> reference to what he actually wrote, which is a great aid if one wants
> to deny what he has previously said (:-)

Good grief! This is the internet! Everything I've posted on this
discussion group is still available!

Again, you're emulating Tom: "It disappeared, but I _know_ I read it
somewhere." What nonsense!

--
- Frank Krygowski