https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/

I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:03:43 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>
>
> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

I suppose you stand by a river and wonder where the water comes from, or stand by train tracks and wonder where the trains come from.

As everyone else here understands already, we have a great deal of under utilized electrical generation in most parts of the world. In addition we are adding both wind and solar power generation.

While the under informed are predicting massive lithium shortages, I'm not seeing anyone predicting shortages of electric generation.

Here are some numbers if the math is not too much for you. The average miles driven in the US is 14,000 a year. That's about 38 miles per day or 9.5 kWh using 4 miles/kWh as a typical BEV consumption. I can plug my BEV into a 120V outlet for less than 10 hours a night to charge this much. Yeah, at night when the electrical generating capacity is very, very underutilized.

What's even better about charging BEVs, is the fact that, to use the term which is applied to generation that is started up quickly, BEV charging is dispatchable, in this case meaning the charge time is typically flexible. Driving 40 miles a day means your battery will hold up for a number of days, allowing you to postpone charging until renewable power is in excess supply or the prices are low. I expect a means of coordinating charging with the availability of power will become the norm, no matter where you are plugged in. You will tell your car your expected driving for the next few days and the car will work to accommodate that. We may find this turns into an electronic auction yielding low prices for consumers and evening out the electrical demand for the suppliers.

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On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:

>
>https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>
>
>I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

Northstream2 will work by that time ?

was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
not seen in the US in ages.
Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.

On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>
>
> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.

The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.

You can find larger estimates than that like 50% or 100% increases,
crazy figures IMO

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
><q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:
>
>>
>>https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>
>>
>>I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>>and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>
>Northstream2 will work by that time ?

Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
Russia.

>
>was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>not seen in the US in ages.

Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.

One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.

>Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>

The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
looks like Dallas.

It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
will drill before being voted out.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:50:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>
>>
>> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>
>The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
>convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
>what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.

The US has gobs of natural gas to generate electricity. And lots of
sunlit desert. Germany doesn't.

Russia has lots of gas. Germany going all-electric will be
interesting.

--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>,
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...
>
> The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
> All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
> empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
>
>
>

I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
force.
Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

On 18/03/2022 17:22, Rickster wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:03:43 PM UTC-4,
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale
>> generating and distribution systems take a long time to build. And
>> need fuel.
>
>
> I suppose you stand by a river and wonder where the water comes from,
> or stand by train tracks and wonder where the trains come from.
>
> As everyone else here understands already, we have a great deal of
> under utilized electrical generation in most parts of the world. In
> addition we are adding both wind and solar power generation.
>
> While the under informed are predicting massive lithium shortages,
> I'm not seeing anyone predicting shortages of electric generation.
>

Actually, there is a very significant shortage of energy in Europe -
made worse by the current Russian war in Ukraine. There is a big
shortage of electricity predicted in coming years, especially as more
and more things are being electrified. There is also a shortage of
capacity on grids, which is a problem when the generation and usage are
out of sync.

Maybe you're find in your half of the world (which is great). But
electricity prices have soared here - with peaks at ten times the normal
rate of a couple of years ago. It is causing widespread disruption. In
the UK, families are trying to choose between heating their houses or
eating. Here in Norway, where electricity has traditionally been so
cheap that people used to have their electric heating on all the time
and regulate the temperature by opening windows, we recently had a short
period where the price per mile was almost as high for electric cars as
petrol cars.

I think the situation will improve - Germany is reversing its plans to
shut down its nuclear plants, and Finland has just brought a big new one
online. There are more wind and solar generators going up all the time.
We'll get there, but there /is/ a shortage.

(I don't think electric cars are the main cause, though they add to it -
and they can be a big issue for grid peak usages. Climate change with
cold winters and disrupted rainfall, phasing out coal, and now trying to
reduce gas usage are all bigger factors.)

On 3/18/2022 12:55 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:50:22 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>>
>> The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
>> convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
>> what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.
>
> The US has gobs of natural gas to generate electricity. And lots of
> sunlit desert. Germany doesn't.

They seem committed to extracting what they can from photovoltaic,
though solar thermal is pretty much out.

> Russia has lots of gas. Germany going all-electric will be
> interesting.
>
>
>

What's so great about desert with respect to PV? Maine is almost as good
as Texas for hours of insolation, it's at the same latitude as the
French Riviera. The panels can run cooler, too.

I'd prefer they not shit up the desert West with big farms, just stick
them on top of buildings or in fields, median strips of highways, old
landfills (they already do that one a lot here.) A lot of New England
has been clear-cut ages ago.

On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
> not seen in the US in ages.

I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
for a "self purification of Russia".

Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
and probably elsewhere.

> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
19th and first half of the 20th century.

That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>,
> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...
>>
>> The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
>> All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
>> empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
> force.
> Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:51:29 -0700) it happened
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
<n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>:

>On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
><pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
>>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>><q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>>
>>>
>>>I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>>>and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>>
>>Northstream2 will work by that time ?
>
>Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
>Russia.
>
>>
>>was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>not seen in the US in ages.
>
>
>Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.
>
>One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
>inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.
>
>
>>Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>>
>
>The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
>All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
>empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

They US is basically a bunch of robbers
They took so many countries by force, invaded those, forced government changes,
Starting with - yes- the Native Americans.
bombing Vietnam, invading Iraq, there is no end to it.

And what motivates it is the you-ash dollars
The Military Industrial Complex that needs and exports war so it can sell, and has you pay taxes for it,
makes double profit that way and has YOU WORK for it!
That is also what is happening in Ukrain, NATO is a big customer of US military junk (like the F35 now being sold to Germany).
Sure, competition in a ahem capitalist country drives innovation, all true
but you guys are way out of control with you war industry,

I can clearly see a nuclear pre-emptive strike being an option considered by an united rest of the world
Look at how small that N America is compared to Russia + China + Europe + Middle East + South America.
US is digging its own grave sanctioning others
Your idiot fanatic war mongering US military Complex puppet suffering from amnesia leader ByeThen uses the centuries old game of creating a common enemy to distract from his -
and the system's failures.

>What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
>SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
>looks like Dallas.

I do not think so, your food and eating habits are mostly copies from other places.
As to google (search), it is getting worse trying to be smart.
After ten minutes googling yesterday for some word and getting suggestions that had nothing to do with it
I went to Bing and found what I looked for in a few seconds
That was not the first time I had to escape to Bing.

>It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
>the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

Look dude, my father, who was a journalist and wrote things critical of the Germans in WW2 and was in the resistance
was put in a German concentration camp, and freed by the Russians in 1945.
The Russians did much if not most of the hard work freeing Europe.
But after that were under constant attack from o.a, the US CIA,

>But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
>will drill before being voted out.

You have only fracking as option and the pollution will kill many
Nuclear power is a real option, probably the only one.
Here in Europe nuclear has been named green now...

US robbers continue to grab stuff from others, 'freeze' funds and resources,
When Nixon decoupled the US dollar from gold it was actually because it was no longer worth the paper it was printed on.
Now the situation is much worse, and China Russia India and some Middle East countries are changing to Yuan.
Killing Swift backfires as sanctions always do.

US depth is ever growing and stealing others stuff cannot make up for that amount in any way.

This time nuclear...

On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:

>On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>
>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>> not seen in the US in ages.
>
>I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>for a "self purification of Russia".
>
>Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>
>https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>and probably elsewhere.
>
>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>19th and first half of the 20th century.
>
>That doesn't make Russia a decent place.

Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
noted nothing bad about it.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:50:31 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
> On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >
> > https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> >
> >
> > I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> > and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
> The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
> convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
> what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.
>
> You can find larger estimates than that like 50% or 100% increases,
> crazy figures IMO

It's an easy calculation. 14,000 miles per year, 4 m/kWh, 270 million light vehicles. 945,000,000 MWh vs 4,000,000,000 MWh total. I think that comes to about 24%, no? Add in the semi truck fleet and it will be a bit higher, but I don't have a feel for how much. Hard to imagine another 25% though.

The spare capacity at night probably is around 25% of the total daily kWh. Because of the intermittent nature of renewable energy, the flexibility of charging BEVs allows for a better match between the two. So many BEVs can be charged from renewable power sources which will be built.

The point is, neither the US nor the EU need to worry with adding power generation to keep the BEV fleet charged.

--

Rick C.

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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:51:41 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
> >jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
> ><q2b93hdrktcvjl33s...@4ax.com>:
> >
> >>
> >>https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> >>
> >>
> >>I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> >>and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
> >
> >Northstream2 will work by that time ?
> Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
> Russia.
> >
> >was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
> >not seen in the US in ages.
> Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.
>
> One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are
> inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.
> >Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
> >
> The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
> All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
> empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

LOL!!! How about Hawaii, or Guam or Puerto Rico?

> What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
> SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
> looks like Dallas.
>
> It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
> the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.
>
> But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians
> will drill before being voted out.

Not sure what relevance any of that has to the discussion, or anything else for that matter.

--

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-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

In article <G%3ZJ.127440$Lbb6.9204@fx45.iad>, user@example.net says...
>
> >
> > I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
> > force.
> > Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?
>
> Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol
>
>

Yes, much of it was taken from the Indians. Alaska from others.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:56:06 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 12:50:22 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
> >On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> >>
> >>
> >> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> >> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
> >
> >The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
> >convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
> >what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.
> The US has gobs of natural gas to generate electricity. And lots of
> sunlit desert. Germany doesn't.
>
> Russia has lots of gas. Germany going all-electric will be
> interesting.

Just drive slowly, ignore angry drivers and cops.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/18/energy/oil-russia-emergency-plan/index.html

On 18.03.22 19:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>
>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>> not seen in the US in ages.
>>
>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>
>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>
>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>> and probably elsewhere.
>>
>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>
>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>
> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
> noted nothing bad about it.
>
>
Are you being treated for that kind of blindness?

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 10:03:43 AM UTC-6, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>
>
> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> I yam what I yam - Popeye

Conveniently for them, they consider burning wood 'carbon neutral'. Replacing decommissioned coal plants with wood burning plants even though they emit more CO2 than the coal plants did. Brilliant.

"Bioenergy was classified as carbon neutral under the Kyoto Protocol, meaning that nations don’t need to count wood burning for energy among their Paris Agreement carbon emissions."

https://news.mongabay.com/2019/03/eu-sued-to-stop-burning-trees-for-energy-its-not-carbon-neutral-plaintiffs/

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 1:10:33 PM UTC-7, DemonicTubes wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 10:03:43 AM UTC-6, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> >
> >
> > I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> > and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > I yam what I yam - Popeye
> Conveniently for them, they consider burning wood 'carbon neutral'. Replacing decommissioned coal plants with wood burning plants even though they emit more CO2 than the coal plants did. Brilliant.
>
> "Bioenergy was classified as carbon neutral under the Kyoto Protocol, meaning that nations don’t need to count wood burning for energy among their Paris Agreement carbon emissions."
>
> https://news.mongabay.com/2019/03/eu-sued-to-stop-burning-trees-for-energy-its-not-carbon-neutral-plaintiffs/

Great. I was thinking about installing a wood burning generator at the back of my EV.

On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>
>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>> not seen in the US in ages.
>>
>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>
>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>
>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>> and probably elsewhere.
>>
>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>
>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>
> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
> noted nothing bad about it.

So did I, amongst several other relevant things.

The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
out.

In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.

I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
was being received. He was frequently harassed.

I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.

Summary: you must have been blind.

On 18/03/22 19:53, Sjouke Burry wrote:
> On 18.03.22 19:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>
>>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I
>>>> do not - and have
>>>> not  seen in the US in ages.
>>>
>>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>>
>>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>>> and probably elsewhere.
>>>
>>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>>
>>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>>
>> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
>> noted nothing bad about it.
>>
>>
> Are you being treated for that kind of blindness?

Beat me to it!

It seems to be a common affliction in this group.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 14:16:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>> In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>,
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...
>>>
>>> The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
>>> All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
>>> empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
>> force.
>> Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?
>
>Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

There were waves of immigration before europeans showed up. And nasty
regional warfare. Who owns the land?

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

Jan Panteltje Rabid Lunatic wrote:
======================---
>
> They US is basically a bunch of robbers
> They took so many countries by force, invaded those, forced government changes,
> Starting with - yes- the Native Americans.
> bombing Vietnam, invading Iraq, there is no end to it.
>

** Giant LIE.
The US has never invaded another country, in order to take it over.
he only land area the US has permanently "occupied" is that needed to bury their dead.

Government change forced Germany and Japan were welcomed by the entire world.
Cos psychopaths had taken control and started a world war.
Raving lunatics just like YOU.

....... Phil

Am 18.03.22 um 17:51 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
>> <q2b93hdrktcvjl33sid25tbbboff7s2cho@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>>
>> Northstream2 will work by that time ?
>
> Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to
> Russia.

Germany is still a net electricity exporter.
So, EVs are not completely brain dead.

And Ukraine is on the European net since a week.
No problems here.

Living just 20 miles NW of Ramstein, I feel as much taken
hostage from the US as from Russia.
Not so protected but forced into someone else's influence sphere.

> The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
> All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
> empire, and don't hold any territory by force.

...at least after you have installed your usual puppet regime.
12 years of peace since "we the people..."
That includes the big recession, where adventures could not
be pre-financed.

And before that, extinguishing the indigenous population.
That's what I'd call a proud tradition.

"What did you call this land before the white man came?"
"Ours"