jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

=================================
>
> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>
>
> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>

** All politics, no reality.
EVs are the solution to NOTHING.
Cute toys for the amusement of Green politics wankers.

....... Phil

In article <ams93hhp45ae32ihq70b80ugvlfgjebrlm@4ax.com>,
jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com says...
>
> There were waves of immigration before europeans showed up. And nasty
> regional warfare. Who owns the land?
>
> -
>

Just as always , the one with the best military.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:56:47 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> > The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
> > All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
> > empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
> >
> > What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and
> > SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything
> > looks like Dallas.
> Puerto Rico looks like Alcatraz, with bars on every door and window.

That's actually a Spanish trait and is common in the Spanish speaking countries. These rejas are typically ornamental and their use is essentially a matter of custom, rather than necessity, much like a fence around your yard in the US. Remember that the weather here allows for many outside spaces that are essentially part of the home. So wrought iron serves to define that space rather than completely enclosing it because of the foul weather often encountered in more temperate regions.

One side effect, is that with the nearly universal use, they become self fulling. If your home is the only home in the neighborhood without rejas, it's like leaving your car unlocked, while the other cars are locked.

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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:56:22 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 18/03/22 19:53, Sjouke Burry wrote:
> > On 18.03.22 19:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
> >> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3...@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I
> >>>> do not - and have
> >>>> not seen in the US in ages.
> >>>
> >>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
> >>> for a "self purification of Russia".
> >>>
> >>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
> >>>
> >>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
> >>> and probably elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
> >>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
> >>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
> >>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
> >>>
> >>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
> >>
> >> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
> >> noted nothing bad about it.
> >>
> >>
> > Are you being treated for that kind of blindness?
> Beat me to it!
>
> It seems to be a common affliction in this group.

Yeah, also dumb and blind.

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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 5:37:28 PM UTC-4, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
> ================================> >
> > https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> >
> >
> > I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> > and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
> >
> ** All politics, no reality.
> EVs are the solution to NOTHING.
> Cute toys for the amusement of Green politics wankers.

And yet it has been shown very, very clearly, even well enough for you to understand if you choose, that BEVs charging from the grid produce less carbon than ICE and use less power in general. I suppose none of this means anything to you. I get that for sure. One thing that does mean something to you is profanity. Go get 'em tiger! Let the profanity begin!

I appreciate profanity from you because it's what you do when you have no other argument to make.

It's amusing that Larkin can't understand something as simple as slack time in electrical generation. I would have hoped you could understand it.

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On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 10:10:42 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:51:41 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 16:25:55 GMT, Jan Panteltje
> > <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 09:03:33 -0700) it happened
> > >jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote in
> > ><q2b93hdrktcvjl33s...@4ax.com>:
> <snip>
> > Germany is already energy poor, mostly by choice. And hostage to Russia..
> Scarcely energy poor, and not noticeably hostage to Russia.
> > >was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have not seen in the US in ages.
> >
> > Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.
> Apart from the lady who broke into the live news with a protest placard, which did shown up on the Australian TV news.
> Americans don't get all that much international news so John Larkin might not have seen it.

Perhaps you are thinking of the 50s when people ate dinner on TV trays gathered in front of the television. Now many people get their news from the Internet. I find Google to be a reasonable aggregator of news from various sources. If they are feeding me what they think I want to read, I must be clicking on a bunch of stuff in my sleep. It's weird some of the stuff I skip over.

> > One cool thing about the US is its lack of unity. People are inherently different, so sporting-level diversity works.
> Mostly they are badly educated, and have all sorts of different silly ideas. John Larkin on anthropogenic global warming is an example.

There's nothing wrong with dissent. The insanity is when people deny facts.. This seems to mostly be the result of people who want to manipulate those of lower intelligence, or wish to only hear about things they want to believe.

> > >Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
> >
> > The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
> > All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
> > empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
> The Philippine and Porto Rico don't count? Banana republics were more of the same. Contragate was a more modern version of the same kind of approach..

That's Puerto Rico, thank you very much, "Rich Port".

> The invasion of Irak was clearly intended to be the same kind of empire-building but George W Bush and his cronies didn't believe the US Army estimates of the cost of occupying Irak, so - despite all the oil - it didn't turn out to be any more worth holding onto than had the Philippines.
> > What swept the world, and continues, is US science and culture and SUVs and food. Check google Street View all over the world. Everything looks like Dallas.
> To John Larkin.

Yeah, that is a pretty stupid thing to say. I bet people in much of Europe would take offense at that.

> > It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be the defender of Europe, the world's unwilling policeman.
>
> US investments in Europe had something to do with that.

I think that was about capitalism, as much as anything. We do tend to think we can install democracy everywhere. Much of Asia just isn't totally compatible with democracy. Vietnam for example. People live their lives and don't worry so much about politics. In the US, we get very excited about so many small details and the important stuff seldom changes.

> > But more to the point, we have gobs of gas and oil, and politicians will drill before being voted out.
> John Larkin really doesn't get the point about anthropogenic global warming, does he. As long as the fossil carbon extraction industry is allowed to keep spending big on denialist propaganda, gullible twits like him will stay suckered.

AGW is a hard sell to anyone who won't believe anything until it smacks them in the face.

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On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:

>On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>
>>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>>> not seen in the US in ages.
>>>
>>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>>
>>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>>> and probably elsewhere.
>>>
>>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>>
>>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>>
>> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
>> noted nothing bad about it.
>
>So did I, amongst several other relevant things.
>
>The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
>very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
>glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
>out.
>
>In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
>Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
>East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.
>
>I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
>was being received. He was frequently harassed.
>
>I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
>the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.
>
>Summary: you must have been blind.

I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.
Beauty is in the beholders eye...
Same over here.
Human nature
East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
There is crime in Russia too ..
Same over here
But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases.
Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
History ... Roman Empire
In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
:-)

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

> On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >
> > https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu
> > -ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> >
> >
> > I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> > and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>
> The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
> convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
> what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.

I estimated that the UK would need more than a 30% increase in
generating capacity to supply the energy requirements of diesel and
petrol private cars and vans. Railway electrification keeps being
stalled by political intransigence and electrifiation of heavy goods
vehicles is a non-starter at the moment.

The current UK policies are simply driving the replacement of moderately
efficient existing vehicles long before they are life-expired with less
efficient new ones that will take years to cover their construction
costs. The car manufacturing and greenwash lobbies have done an
excellent job of perverting the minds of scientifically-ignorant
politicians.

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On 18/03/22 16:51, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> It's unfortunate that, at the end of WW2, Russia forced the US to be
> the defender of europe, the world's unwilling policeman.

Nobody forced the US. The US corporations chose to expand
their economic influence.

But you needn't worry. China is taking over the role,
especially in Africa and SE Asia.

On 19/03/22 02:10, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:51:41 AM UTC+11,
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>
>> Well, Russian TV tolerates no dissent.
>
> Apart from the lady who broke into the live news with a protest placard,
> which did shown up on the Australian TV news. Americans don't get all that
> much international news so John Larkin might not have seen it.

Not a good example. She now fears for her safety.

Larkin is more accurate here, especially given Putin's
recent speech about self-cleansing Russian society,
fifth-columnists, and traitors.
https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-warns-russia-against-pro-western-traitors-scum-2022-03-16/

On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>>>> not seen in the US in ages.
>>>>
>>>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>>>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>>>
>>>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>>>> and probably elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>>>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>>>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>>>
>>>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>>>
>>> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
>>> noted nothing bad about it.
>>
>> So did I, amongst several other relevant things.
>>
>> The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
>> very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
>> glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
>> out.
>>
>> In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
>> Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
>> East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.
>>
>> I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
>> was being received. He was frequently harassed.
>>
>> I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
>> the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.
>>
>> Summary: you must have been blind.
>
> I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.

I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
toddler.

> Beauty is in the beholders eye...
> Same over here.
> Human nature
> East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
> But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
> There is crime in Russia too ..
> Same over here
> But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
> Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases.
> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
> History ... Roman Empire
> In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
> :-)

Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
more than a disgruntled rant.

On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:13 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14a81$ia2$2@dont-email.me>:

>On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>>>>> not seen in the US in ages.
>>>>>
>>>>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>>>>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>>>>
>>>>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>>>>> and probably elsewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>>>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>>>>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>>>>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>>>>
>>>> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
>>>> noted nothing bad about it.
>>>
>>> So did I, amongst several other relevant things.
>>>
>>> The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
>>> very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
>>> glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
>>> out.
>>>
>>> In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
>>> Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
>>> East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.
>>>
>>> I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
>>> was being received. He was frequently harassed.
>>>
>>> I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
>>> the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.
>>>
>>> Summary: you must have been blind.
>>
>> I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.
>
>I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
>My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
>because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
>toddler.
>
>
>> Beauty is in the beholders eye...
>> Same over here.
>> Human nature
>> East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
>> But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
>> There is crime in Russia too ..
>> Same over here
>> But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
>> Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases.
>> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
>> History ... Roman Empire
>> In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
>> :-)
>
>Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
>more than a disgruntled rant.

Looks like you are still a toddler
Try understanding what I wrote when you grow up.

No Empire Yet has persisted

Bye Bye America Bye
what will be left is some black warlords fighting among each other and cooking the victims in big pots
for breakfast.

When archaeologists perhaps dig up the statute of glibbery and hundreds of old cellphones
they will wonder:
"How did they make those things back in the twentieth century?"

That is if the humming species persists past the nuclear glowball wars
Did the last male Dino eat the last female Dino and did that species end that way?
They needed BIG food
(of course the last female Dino could have eaten the last male Dino, just to be po-littter-cally right, these days).

On 18/03/2022 20:31, John Doe wrote:
> Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...
>
>>> The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and Japan.
>>> All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a colonial
>>> empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
>>
>> I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
>> force. Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?
>
> No.
>
> Mexican troops killed Geronimo's family. Then Geronimo spent the next 3
> decades killing & torturing Mexicans and other Indians along what is now
> our southwestern border. Geronimo died of old age and pneumonia in a US
> Army hospital. Mexico never owned or even controlled anything north of the
> Rio Grande.

Some of the maps at
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War> suggest
otherwise. Of course, this would not be the first time countries
disagreed about who "owns" or "controls" a piece of land.

>
> America was anything but Mr Rogers Neighborhood before Europeans arrived.
> The word "savage" was not taken from thin air. Some Comanche torture
> methods are interesting, conceivably promoted by their abuse of peyote.
>

The Europeans had a wide selection of imaginative torture methods at
that time too. But mostly these were reserved for settling theological
disputes amongst themselves, rather than for military enemies.

> If Europeans had not settled and developed this land, some other advanced
> civilization would have landed (like Asians, before 1941). Could have been
> MUCH worse for native Indians and our neighbors to the south and north.
>

It's hard to imagine how it could have been "MUCH" worse. But it's
unlikely that it would have been very different.

On 19/03/22 10:39, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:13 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14a81$ia2$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>>>>>> not seen in the US in ages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>>>>>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>>>>>> and probably elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>>>>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>>>>>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>>>>>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
>>>>> noted nothing bad about it.
>>>>
>>>> So did I, amongst several other relevant things.
>>>>
>>>> The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
>>>> very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
>>>> glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
>>>> Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
>>>> East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.
>>>>
>>>> I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
>>>> was being received. He was frequently harassed.
>>>>
>>>> I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
>>>> the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.
>>>>
>>>> Summary: you must have been blind.
>>>
>>> I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.
>>
>> I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
>> My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
>> because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
>> toddler.
>>
>>
>>> Beauty is in the beholders eye...
>>> Same over here.
>>> Human nature
>>> East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
>>> But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
>>> There is crime in Russia too ..
>>> Same over here
>>> But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
>>> Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases.
>>> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
>>> History ... Roman Empire
>>> In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
>>> :-)
>>
>> Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
>> more than a disgruntled rant.
>
> Looks like you are still a toddler
> Try understanding what I wrote when you grow up.
>
> No Empire Yet has persisted
>
> Bye Bye America Bye
> what will be left is some black warlords fighting among each other and cooking the victims in big pots
> for breakfast.
>
> When archaeologists perhaps dig up the statute of glibbery and hundreds of old cellphones
> they will wonder:
> "How did they make those things back in the twentieth century?"
>
> That is if the humming species persists past the nuclear glowball wars
> Did the last male Dino eat the last female Dino and did that species end that way?
> They needed BIG food
> (of course the last female Dino could have eaten the last male Dino, just to be po-littter-cally right, these days).

Please explain the relevance of that rant to the point
under discussion: /your/ statement "Never been there,
been to East Germany before the wall fell, noted
nothing bad about it."

On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:18:19 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14e5r$rr3$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 19/03/22 10:39, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:13 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14a81$ia2$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>>>>>>> not seen in the US in ages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>>>>>>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>>>>>>> and probably elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>>>>>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>>>>>>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>>>>>>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
>>>>>> noted nothing bad about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So did I, amongst several other relevant things.
>>>>>
>>>>> The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
>>>>> very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
>>>>> glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>> In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
>>>>> Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
>>>>> East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
>>>>> was being received. He was frequently harassed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
>>>>> the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.
>>>>>
>>>>> Summary: you must have been blind.
>>>>
>>>> I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.
>>>
>>> I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
>>> My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
>>> because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
>>> toddler.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Beauty is in the beholders eye...
>>>> Same over here.
>>>> Human nature
>>>> East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
>>>> But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
>>>> There is crime in Russia too ..
>>>> Same over here
>>>> But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
>>>> Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases.
>>>> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
>>>> History ... Roman Empire
>>>> In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
>>> more than a disgruntled rant.
>>
>> Looks like you are still a toddler
>> Try understanding what I wrote when you grow up.
>>
>> No Empire Yet has persisted
>>
>> Bye Bye America Bye
>> what will be left is some black warlords fighting among each other and cooking the victims in big pots
>> for breakfast.
>>
>> When archaeologists perhaps dig up the statute of glibbery and hundreds of old cellphones
>> they will wonder:
>> "How did they make those things back in the twentieth century?"
>>
>> That is if the humming species persists past the nuclear glowball wars
>> Did the last male Dino eat the last female Dino and did that species end that way?
>> They needed BIG food
>> (of course the last female Dino could have eaten the last male Dino, just to be po-littter-cally right, these days).
>
>Please explain the relevance of that rant to the point
>under discussion: /your/ statement "Never been there,
>been to East Germany before the wall fell, noted
>nothing bad about it."

You posted about a couple separating and then marrying again after leaving East Germany.
I pointed out crime is everywhere,
They were violating laws there.

Here people sometimes get married to get a permit to stay, even if in reality they do noy even live together
also a crime against the law.

So you insinuated East German laws were bad,
Maybe there was a d*mn good reason for those laws.

How many other laws exactly are you violating?

I mean I do not care, be free to sum th'm all up :-)

On 19/03/22 12:37, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:18:19 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14e5r$rr3$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 19/03/22 10:39, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:11:13 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t14a81$ia2$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 19/03/22 07:42, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
>>>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
>>>>>>>>> not seen in the US in ages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
>>>>>>>> for a "self purification of Russia".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
>>>>>>>> and probably elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
>>>>>>>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
>>>>>>>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
>>>>>>>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
>>>>>>> noted nothing bad about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So did I, amongst several other relevant things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
>>>>>> very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
>>>>>> glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
>>>>>> Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
>>>>>> East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
>>>>>> was being received. He was frequently harassed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
>>>>>> the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summary: you must have been blind.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen and experienced unsavoury things in the US.
>>>> My parents returned after 19 months in Pittsburg partly
>>>> because of that. I don't remember that because I was a
>>>> toddler.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Beauty is in the beholders eye...
>>>>> Same over here.
>>>>> Human nature
>>>>> East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
>>>>> But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
>>>>> There is crime in Russia too ..
>>>>> Same over here
>>>>> But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
>>>>> Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases.
>>>>> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
>>>>> History ... Roman Empire
>>>>> In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> Completely irrelevant to your original point. Little
>>>> more than a disgruntled rant.
>>>
>>> Looks like you are still a toddler
>>> Try understanding what I wrote when you grow up.
>>>
>>> No Empire Yet has persisted
>>>
>>> Bye Bye America Bye
>>> what will be left is some black warlords fighting among each other and cooking the victims in big pots
>>> for breakfast.
>>>
>>> When archaeologists perhaps dig up the statute of glibbery and hundreds of old cellphones
>>> they will wonder:
>>> "How did they make those things back in the twentieth century?"
>>>
>>> That is if the humming species persists past the nuclear glowball wars
>>> Did the last male Dino eat the last female Dino and did that species end that way?
>>> They needed BIG food
>>> (of course the last female Dino could have eaten the last male Dino, just to be po-littter-cally right, these days).
>>
>> Please explain the relevance of that rant to the point
>> under discussion: /your/ statement "Never been there,
>> been to East Germany before the wall fell, noted
>> nothing bad about it."
>
> You posted about a couple separating and then marrying again after leaving East Germany.

Yes - in response to your implication that I haven't
been to both GDR and USA, and that you know better
than I do.

> I pointed out crime is everywhere,
> They were violating laws there.

So what? They followed all laws openly and without
any problem.

> Here people sometimes get married to get a permit to stay, even if in reality they do noy even live together
> also a crime against the law.

Irrelevant.

> So you insinuated East German laws were bad,
> Maybe there was a d*mn good reason for those laws.

No, I didn't.

I'm sure there were good reasons for all the GDR
laws, even though I think some of them were despicable.

> How many other laws exactly are you violating?
>
> I mean I do not care, be free to sum th'm all up :-)

More irrelevant ranting, merely confirming there is no
relevance to your statement "Never been there, been to
East Germany before the wall fell, noted nothing bad
about it."

Either you were blind and/or you only saw Potemkin
villages.

On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 3:44:34 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 20:55:21 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12rjp$7gh$2...@dont-email.me>:
> >On 18/03/22 18:40, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >> On a sunny day (Fri, 18 Mar 2022 18:09:26 +0000) it happened Tom Gardner
> >> <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in <t12hsm$aek$3...@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>> On 18/03/22 16:25, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> was watching Russian TV and I did see / feel a sense of unity there that I do not - and have
> >>>> not seen in the US in ages.
> >>>
> >>> I presume you watched Putin on TV yesterday, calling
> >>> for a "self purification of Russia".
> >>>
> >>> Now where/when did we hear similar statements before?
> >>>
> >>> https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1504235879996534787
> >>> and probably elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>>> Think US is all over, just last bits of noise from a dying empire.
> >>> They do have a tendency towards smug self-congratulation that
> >>> they are the most favoured country. The UK was similar in the
> >>> 19th and first half of the 20th century.
> >>>
> >>> That doesn't make Russia a decent place.
> >>
> >> Never been there, been to East Germany before the wall fell,
> >> noted nothing bad about it.
> >
> >So did I, amongst several other relevant things.
> >
> >The GDR border guards were /very/ touchy, and people had to be
> >very careful not to irritate them. Things like keeping western
> >glossy magazines out of site, not bringing East German currency
> >out.
> >
> >In East Berlin, I went in the best department store, on Alexander
> >Platz - because they forced visitors to spend some money in
> >East Germany. The *only* thing I found to buy were a few postcards.
> >
> >I know someone whose job was to see how well the BBC
> >was being received. He was frequently harassed.
> >
> >I know someone that divorced (so his wife could come back to
> >the UK), crawled under the wall, and was remarried.
> >
> >Summary: you must have been blind.
> I can tell you the same about US, and I _have_ seen bad things there.
> Beauty is in the beholders eye...
> Same over here.
> Human nature
> East Germany felt a lot safer than United States,
> But I did see West Side Story before I went to the US and became part of it myself :-)
> There is crime in Russia too ..
> Same over here
> But US is the biggest predator in the world right now mainly because others fear the bomb.
> Now that everybody and their cat has nukes the fear for the US decreases.
> Others group together and the US 'Mafia' has the choice of taking a step back or being nuked into oblivion
> History ... Roman Empire
> In a war situation most likely US solders will take a knee

That's a load of crap. The military is all about conditioning soldiers to follow orders without thinking. That's been true for thousands of years.

More importantly, everything you've written is simply your opinion, based on nothing, but the machinations of your own mind. You describe what others "feel". Maybe you have some knowledge of what people feel in East Germany, or even in regards to "the bomb", but you have little knowledge of what US soldiers "feel", so your speculations are not worth the paper they're not written on.

The grouping together you talk about is the west hoping to not become the victim of Russian aggression, exactly what is happening now.

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On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 5:57:46 AM UTC-4, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
> > On 3/18/2022 12:03 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu
> > > -ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> > > and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
> >
> > The increase in generating capacity in the US that would be needed to
> > convert all current personal vehicles to electric isn't huge, about
> > what's used for electric lighting, 8%-10% as a ballpark.
> I estimated that the UK would need more than a 30% increase in
> generating capacity to supply the energy requirements of diesel and
> petrol private cars and vans. Railway electrification keeps being
> stalled by political intransigence and electrifiation of heavy goods
> vehicles is a non-starter at the moment.

I haven't studied the UK situation in depth, but I suspect you are confusing generating capacity with generating output. While BEVs will require more generating output, they do not require additional generating capacity. There is more than enough unused generating capacity available at the slack time, mostly at night.

This has been discussed ad nauseam. It's hard to imagine anyone would not understand this by now.

> The current UK policies are simply driving the replacement of moderately
> efficient existing vehicles long before they are life-expired with less
> efficient new ones that will take years to cover their construction
> costs. The car manufacturing and greenwash lobbies have done an
> excellent job of perverting the minds of scientifically-ignorant
> politicians.

What "less efficient" new cars are you talking about? One of the big advantages of BEVs is that they are *much* more efficient, consuming less energy and producing less pollution even if powered from coal generating plants.

Has your mind been brown-washed?

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On Saturday, March 19, 2022 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> lol
>
> Right. I'm sure the bars on everybody's doors and windows in Puerto Rico
> is "ornamentation".
>
> Dad and son boiling live lobsters...
>
> Son: Dad, the lobsters are screaming.
>
> Dad: No, son, that's the sound of air escaping from them.

I would provide you with some links, but I know you are very adverse to learning anything that might create cognitive dissonance.

Rickster wrote:
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:03:43 PM UTC-4,
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>
>>
>> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>
> Here are some numbers if the math is not too much for you. The
> average miles driven in the US is 14,000 a year. That's about 38
> miles per day or 9.5 kWh using 4 miles/kWh as a typical BEV
> consumption. I can plug my BEV into a 120V outlet for less than 10
> hours a night to charge this much. Yeah, at night when the
> electrical generating capacity is very, very underutilized.

That's great if you are the only driver in the country. The total number
of miles driven in the US per year is over 2.5e12 not 14000.

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On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 12:23:00 AM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> Rickster wrote:
> > On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 12:03:43 PM UTC-4,
> > jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> >> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> >>
> >>
> >> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
> >> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
> >
> > Here are some numbers if the math is not too much for you. The
> > average miles driven in the US is 14,000 a year. That's about 38
> > miles per day or 9.5 kWh using 4 miles/kWh as a typical BEV
> > consumption. I can plug my BEV into a 120V outlet for less than 10
> > hours a night to charge this much. Yeah, at night when the
> > electrical generating capacity is very, very underutilized.
>
> That's great if you are the only driver in the country. The total number
> of miles driven in the US per year is over 2.5e12 not 14000.

Did you want to follow up that fact with a thought? Or are you trying to impersonate Larkin?

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bitrex wrote:
> On 3/18/2022 12:57 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>> In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>,
>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...
>>>
>>> The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and
>>> Japan. All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a
>>> colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states
>> by force.
>> Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?
>
> Some would say all of America was taken from lots of people, lol

And everywhere else is populated by the original inhabitants.

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Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <n6d93hh06f3l5rsk5ioqap12naf2b0su66@4ax.com>,
> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com says...
>>
>> The US was never an empire like England and Spain and China and
>> Japan. All the states chose to be states. We didn't have much of a
>> colonial empire, and don't hold any territory by force.
>
> I would say the war between the states (Civel War) held many states by
> force.

What can we say? The worst thing we ever did was fight to end slavery.

> Wasn't Texas taken from Mexico ?

It was taken by the people who lived there, who didn't want to live
under Mexico's tyrants.

Mexico did the same when they broke from Spain.

Texas then chose to join the US.

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