tirsdag den 22. marts 2022 kl. 22.49.01 UTC+1 skrev Ralph Mowery:
> In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
> edward....@gmail.com says...
> >
> > I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
> >
> > Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet.. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
> >
> > First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
> >
> > Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
> >
> > After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
> >
> > Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
> >
> > The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.
> >
> > Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?
> >
> >
> Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
> so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
> of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
> run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
> buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
> do not run the heat or air ?

10kw is roughly what a car needs to maintain a constant ~80k/h on a flat road

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
> edward....@gmail.com says...
> >
> > I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
> >
> > Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet.. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
> >
> > First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
> >
> > Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
> >
> > After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
> >
> > Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
> >
> > The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.
> >
> > Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?
> >
> >
> Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
> so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
> of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
> run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
> buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
> do not run the heat or air ?

No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).

They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there.. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:55:20 PM UTC-7, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> tirsdag den 22. marts 2022 kl. 22.49.01 UTC+1 skrev Ralph Mowery:
> > In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
> > edward....@gmail.com says...
> > >
> > > I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
> > >
> > > Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
> > >
> > > First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
> > >
> > > Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
> > >
> > > After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
> > >
> > > Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
> > >
> > > The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave him $20 tips.
> > >
> > > Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?
> > >
> > >
> > Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
> > so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
> > of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
> > run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
> > buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
> > do not run the heat or air ?
> 10kw is roughly what a car needs to maintain a constant ~80k/h on a flat road

I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 3:41:23 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 10:29:42 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
> > On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 8:00:53 PM UTC-4, Mike Monett wrote:
> > > jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 05:35:05 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> > > > <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 9:03:43 AM UTC-7,
> > > >>jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > > >>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-e
> > > >>> u-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
> > > >>
> > > >>US and Cal also.
> > > >>
> > > >>So, who are we going to call for help?
> > > >>
> > > >>I am stuck overnight between chargers. The rest stop with charger is
> > > >>closed. Of course, there is no way to find that out except when
> > > >>approaching the area. Otherwise, i would have charged-up somewhere
> > > >>else.
> > > >
> > > > Is that situation hypothetical or real?
> > > Or you arrive and the charger is out of service. Many companies sell
> > > hybrids. Hopefully they will come to their senses and continue sales.
> > I've put 43,000 miles on my BEV with over 90% of that charged at Superchargers. I've NEVER had a problem of not being able to charge because of any sort of failure. I'm not saying that chargers don't break. I've seen that.. I'm saying that there is always more than one charger at a location so the relatively low failure rate does not impact charger availability in any significant way.
> I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
>
> Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
>
> First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
>
> Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
>
> After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
>
> Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
>
> The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.
>
> Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?

LOL! Yes, the public is ready for BEVs. It's the Ed factor that we aren't ready for. Maybe I shouldn't judge so harshly, but you create these problems by driving a very unrealistic vehicle. What is your range in this contraption? I think you said about 40-50 miles? That's hybrid territory, not BEV.

I just learned the other day that the Leaf is not rated to be charged at DC fast chargers without significant wear to the battery. Even then, it is limited to some low number, like 70 kW? Maybe that's not unrealistic since the batteries in them are not so large. The limitation to charging time is actually the C rating, meaning they all achieve around 1 hour, give or take, for a total charge.

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On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
> > edward....@gmail.com says...
> > >
> > > I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
> > >
> > > Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
> > >
> > > First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
> > >
> > > Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
> > >
> > > After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
> > >
> > > Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
> > >
> > > The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.
> > >
> > > Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?
> > >
> > >
> > Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
> > so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
> > of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
> > run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
> > buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
> > do not run the heat or air ?
> No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).
>
> They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?

If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.

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In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637-9726-e31c216a4a90n@googlegroups.com>,
edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...
>
> I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
>
>

So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
out battery power not too far from home.

Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
powering it.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:22:32 -0400, Ralph Mowery
<rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:

>In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637-9726-e31c216a4a90n@googlegroups.com>,
>edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...
>>
>> I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
>>
>>
>
>So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
>could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
>shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
>could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
>back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
>out battery power not too far from home.
>
>Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
>on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
>conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
>powering it.

Each Tesla should come standard with a Honda generator in the trunk.

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On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
> edward....@gmail.com says...
> >
> > I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
> >
> >
> So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
> could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
> shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
> could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
> back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
> out battery power not too far from home.
>
> Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
> on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
> conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
> powering it.

10kwhr battery should weight about 150 pounds in 3 to 4 cu. ft. Can fit inside the frame of a flat bed.

On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > > In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > edward....@gmail.com says...
> > > >
> > > > I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
> > > >
> > > > First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
> > > >
> > > > Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
> > > >
> > > > After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
> > > >
> > > > Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
> > > >
> > > > The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.
> > > >
> > > > Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
> > > so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
> > > of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
> > > run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
> > > buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
> > > do not run the heat or air ?
> > No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).
> >
> > They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?

Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.

> If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.

Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.

On a sunny day (Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
<aa8b742a-0d36-498b-84fe-6d3f7d7d4cf9n@googlegroups.com>:

>On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
>> In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
>> edward....@gmail.com says...
>> >
>> > I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would
>> > be enough.
>> >
>> >
>> So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
>> could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
>> shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
>> could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
>> back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
>> out battery power not too far from home.
>>
>> Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
>> on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
>> conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
>> powering it.
>
>10kwhr battery should weight about 150 pounds in 3 to 4 cu. ft. Can fit inside the frame of a flat bed.

I have a portable 12V 250 Ah lifepo4 battery, makes 3000 Wh or 3 kWh
http://panteltje.com/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
Bit like having a Jerrycan
3 in the back should be no problem.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:22:09 AM UTC-7, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 23 Mar 2022 08:09:52 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Ed Lee
> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> <aa8b742a-0d36-498b...@googlegroups.com>:
> >On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> >> In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> edward....@gmail.com says...
> >> >
> >> > I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would
> >> > be enough.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
> >> could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
> >> shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
> >> could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
> >> back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
> >> out battery power not too far from home.
> >>
> >> Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
> >> on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
> >> conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
> >> powering it.
> >
> >10kwhr battery should weight about 150 pounds in 3 to 4 cu. ft. Can fit inside the frame of a flat bed.
> I have a portable 12V 250 Ah lifepo4 battery, makes 3000 Wh or 3 kWh
> http://panteltje.com/pub/250_Ah_12V_to_230V_sinewave_IXXIMG_0796.JPG
> Bit like having a Jerrycan
> 3 in the back should be no problem.

I have 32x 12V 270 Whr . Waiting to hot wire into 400V. Just haven't got the chance to do it yet.
32"x14"x16" 150 pounds for 10kwhr.

On 22/03/2022 23:28, Ed Lee wrote:

<snip>
>
> I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.

Can't the tow truck tow you and your batteries charge regeneratively?

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On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 9:59:17 AM UTC-7, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 22/03/2022 23:28, Ed Lee wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >
> > I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
> Can't the tow truck tow you and your batteries charge regeneratively?

Not with the wheel locked. Gear and steering disabled.

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 10:46:49 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 10:22:32 -0400, Ralph Mowery
> <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
> >edward....@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
> >could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
> >shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
> >could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
> >back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
> >out battery power not too far from home.
> >
> >Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
> >on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
> >conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
> >powering it.
> Each Tesla should come standard with a Honda generator in the trunk.

That would not help Ed one bit. Is he really that stupid or is it just that he is so envious that he hates Musk, Tesla and everything remotely attached to it.

By 2025 the sales of BEVs in the US will be over 10% of the total and growing at leaps and bounds. Larkin's life is going to get very, very miserable as we progress to 80% of cars on the roads being BEVs in ten years or so.

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On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:09:58 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 7:22:41 AM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
> > edward....@gmail.com says...
> > >
> > > I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
> > >
> > >
> > So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
> > could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
> > shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
> > could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
> > back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
> > out battery power not too far from home.
> >
> > Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
> > on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
> > conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
> > powering it.
> 10kwhr battery should weight about 150 pounds in 3 to 4 cu. ft. Can fit inside the frame of a flat bed.

It can also easily fit in passenger car. Most BEVs have enough range to go more than 50 miles.

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On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > > > In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > edward....@gmail.com says...
> > > > >
> > > > > I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
> > > > >
> > > > > Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
> > > > >
> > > > > After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
> > > > >
> > > > > Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
> > > > >
> > > > > The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
> > > > so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
> > > > of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
> > > > run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
> > > > buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
> > > > do not run the heat or air ?
> > > No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).
> > >
> > > They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
> Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
> > If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.
> Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.

Why don't you start that business?

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On 23/03/2022 17:38, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 9:59:17 AM UTC-7, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> On 22/03/2022 23:28, Ed Lee wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
>> Can't the tow truck tow you and your batteries charge regeneratively?
>
> Not with the wheel locked. Gear and steering disabled.

No override? Sounds like a design flaw, but there are probably reasons.

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bitrex wrote:
> On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
>> <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
>>
>>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale
>>>> generating and distribution systems take a long time to build. And
>>>> need fuel.
>>>
>>> They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They
>>> said only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.
>>>
>>> Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
>>> bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.
>>
>> Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
>> leadership doesn't want that.
>>
>> When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat
>> cat Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the
>> left lane was actually reserved for them.
>>
>> We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
>> bicycles.
>
> Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
> unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
> rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.
>
> <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>
>
> I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this
> class of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about
> driving. The highways are clogged up with idiot morons you just put
> your life and tens of thousands worth of car on the line anytime you
> go significant distance, and us young Gen Xers don't have that many
> paid-off assets to spare...

What's so "freedom" is that people are free to choose driving and they
do. The reasons are different in different areas but it's just practical
to have the flexibility.

Japan would fit easily between you and Chicago. For those distances
planes are more practical. Japan even had a custom "commuter" version of
the 747 made only for them, with smaller tanks and modifications to last
for many short trips.

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On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
> In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637-9726-e31c216a4a90n@googlegroups.com>,
> edward.ming.lee@gmail.com says...
>>
>> I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
>>
>>
>
> So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
> could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
> shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
> could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
> back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
> out battery power not too far from home.
>
> Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
> on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
> conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
> powering it.

You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission
after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
than a copper cable of the same size.

--
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On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 2:00:59 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
> > In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
> > edward....@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
> > could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
> > shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
> > could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
> > back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
> > out battery power not too far from home.
> >
> > Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
> > on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
> > conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
> > powering it.
> You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission
> after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
> powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
> than a copper cable of the same size.

You don't know what the car can handle. Towing a car is not a simple matter. They normally lift the driven wheels. If that would be the front wheels, I think leaving them on the roadway makes for an interesting tow.

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On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > > > > In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > edward....@gmail.com says...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip.. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
> > > > > so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again.. Sort
> > > > > of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
> > > > > run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
> > > > > buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
> > > > > do not run the heat or air ?
> > > > No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).
> > > >
> > > > They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
> > Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
> > > If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.
> > Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.
> Why don't you start that business?

In due course. First, they (google or cruise) need to be approved for FSD. Then we can order a custom version with battery and charger inside. It's going to be a Leaf club, just for older EV and Tesla charging at Nissan dealers. I have seen a few, don't know why they need to do that.

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 5:53:45 AM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 2:00:59 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:
> > On 2022-03-23, Ralph Mowery <rmow...@charter.net> wrote:
> > > In article <f6d139e4-a441-4637...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > edward....@gmail.com says...
> > >>
> > >> I was 12 miles from charging station. Around 4 kwhr would do. My empty battery can charge at 40kw DCFC. 10 to 15 min would be enough.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > So from this I get that if a tow truck had a 10 kw generator on it you
> > > could take about half an hour charge and go about 10 to 15 miles. That
> > > shoud be enough to get you to a charging station in many cases. You
> > > could even have a friend to put a home type portable generator in the
> > > back of a pickup truck and bring it to you for charging if you ran out
> > > out battery power not too far from home.
> > >
> > > Guess that you could have small trailer behind the car with a genertor
> > > on it to get you home. Sort of like a picture I saw of a 'red neck air
> > > conditioner' on a car. Home window unit in the car window and generator
> > > powering it.
> > You only need to charge electrically enough to unlock the transmission

release motor parking lock, since there is no transmission. need to charge from 10% SOC (complete failure) to 15% SOC (can shift into neutral). 20% SOC is drivable.

> > after that you can be towed and charge by using the cars much more
> > powerful in-built generator. A steel cable can transfer more kilowatts
> > than a copper cable of the same size.
> You don't know what the car can handle. Towing a car is not a simple matter. They normally lift the driven wheels. If that would be the front wheels, I think leaving them on the roadway makes for an interesting tow.

and not sure if it will regenerate properly if towing backward by jacking up the back wheels.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

>On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
>> <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
>>
>>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>>>
>>> They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
>>> only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.
>>>
>>> Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
>>> bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.
>>
>> Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
>> leadership doesn't want that.
>>
>> When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
>> Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
>> lane was actually reserved for them.
>>
>> We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
>> bicycles.
>
>Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
>unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
>rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.
>
><https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>
>
>I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
>of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving.

Running out for another six-pack after you get there.

It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.

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On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 7:32:00 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:13:29 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 8:20:12 PM UTC-7, Rickster wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 7:13:20 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 2:49:01 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
> > > > > > In article <c1dca867-d42c-4fff...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > edward....@gmail.com says...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think there are two working chargers there, but the whole rest area is closed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyway, i signed up for "Good Sam" road service before the trip. I was expecting to use it up hill out of LA, 25 miles from 2000 feet to 5000 feet. Didn't expect to use it so soon.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > First cop came at 5am, woke me up and told me to leave. I said i am calling the tow truck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Second cop came at 7am. She gave me 4 hours before she is calling their tow truck.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > After several phone calls to "Good Sam", finally got a pickup with flat back trailer. But my front wheels are locked without power to steer or put gear in neutral. He had to pull it up with the wheel locked.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Came to charging place. Plug it in and nothing happen. My 12V battery is also drained. No charging circuit or power relay. I had to wire up jumper spare battery to enable 12V than charge. The main was down to 10%. At 15%, i can at least shift to neutral, drop the car down.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The tow driver was constantly on the phone to his office, complaining about the time it's taking. I gave home $20 tips.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is the public ready for EV? Are we there yet?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Looks like the tow trucks are going to have to install large generators
> > > > > > so they can charge you up in an hour or so to get you going again. Sort
> > > > > > of like them bring you a 5 gallon can of gas for the gas cars when you
> > > > > > run out. How long would it take for say a 10 kw generator like you can
> > > > > > buy for your house to charge the car up to run for an hour or so if you
> > > > > > do not run the heat or air ?
> > > > > No, 2 to 3 kw battery inverter would do. Just enough to bring it up to shift gear (15% SOC).
> > > > >
> > > > > They (dispatcher and tow-er) were ill prepared for EV, especially totally dead battery (10% SOC). Jack-up tow truck would be better than flat bed, for locked wheels. With flat bed, he should at least have wheel dollies. Also, he was pulling left or right wheels alternatively, because he did not have cross-strap connecting both wheels. Perhaps it's the owner's (me) responsibility to carry towing cross strap. A flat-bed need to wait for me to charge 5% to unlock drive chain, whereas jack-up can just drop me off there. Anyway, good learning experience for both of us. But how many other tow-er and driver need to learn this way?
> > > Laugh what you want. There are still hundred thousand of us around.
> > > > If you continue to drive in a manner that any hiccup will sideline you, you will find very few towing companies know how to tow an EV. Why? Because they've never had to tow one.
> > > Yes, we only need a self driving mobile charger, no towing necessary.
> > Why don't you start that business?
>
> In due course. First, they (google or cruise) need to be approved for FSD.. Then we can order a custom version with battery and charger inside. It's going to be a Leaf club, just for older EV and Tesla charging at Nissan dealers. I have seen a few, don't know why they need to do that.

I am going to call this self driving flat bed (not truck or trailer) the "Leaf Rack".

On 3/24/2022 11:45 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:22:34 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/20/2022 11:01 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 00:38:55 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
>>> <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>>>> https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/18/great-reset-germany-wants-eu-ban-on-sale-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2035/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder where the electricity will come from. Large-scale generating
>>>>> and distribution systems take a long time to build. And need fuel.
>>>>
>>>> They didn't say they wanted to replace the cars with anything. They said
>>>> only that they wanted to eliminate the cars.
>>>>
>>>> Biden phrased it the same way. They intend for you to use a bus or a
>>>> bicycle, but they won't say what they really want.
>>>
>>> Good point. Owning a car grants freedoms to the masses, and our wise
>>> leadership doesn't want that.
>>>
>>> When I was in the Moscow, all the cars had to pull over whan a fat cat
>>> Party member zoomed by in the left lane in his limo. I think the left
>>> lane was actually reserved for them.
>>>
>>> We underlings are slowing down the elites. We should be on trains or
>>> bicycles.
>>
>> Have you seen what the e.g. sleeper trains in Japan look like? And
>> unlike Amtrak they don't even cost an arm and a leg to ride on rattly
>> rails and get a complimentary Dunkin Donuts coffee for $389 one-way.
>>
>> <https://youtu.be/KG53Pr3pFg4>
>>
>> I would ride this to visit my buddy in Chicago every time if this class
>> of service were available in the US, what's so "freedom" about driving.
>
> Running out for another six-pack after you get there.
>
> It's funny to see rich greenies fly to climate conferences in their
> private jets, where their gigabuck yachts are waiting. They tend to
> build multiple mansions in the mountains and right on the beach in
> Malibu and Martha's Vineyard and Hawaii.

Describes a tiny fraction of "greenies." Like 1% of them, perhaps...

> And tell us to walk and wait for busses and eat lentils. And to grow
> natural non-GMO food without fertilizer.

Man when was the last time you ever waited for a bus or had to eat
lentils cuz you didn't have a choice in the matter, 1972? No one's ever
going to force you to do any of that, you're fine.