Rocky Rhodan wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 5:59:33 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:41:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

>>> > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Guess Who?
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> I'm usenet's greatest poet,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> At least that's what they say.
>>> > > > > > > >>>> The Village People love my work
>>> > > > > > > >>>> And I'm not even gay.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> The most prolific poet
>>> > > > > > > >>>> The internet has known,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> I've written fifty thousand poems
>>> > > > > > > >>>> In the past week alone.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> I sit at my computer
>>> > > > > > > >>>> And dream of South and North,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> And just like vomit from a drunk
>>> > > > > > > >>>> The poems come gushing forth.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> It's sometimes hard to type them,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> They all come out so fast,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> And some of them are really long
>>> > > > > > > >>>> While some are just half-vast.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> I've never learned poetics;
>>> > > > > > > >>>> I know that I don't need 'em
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Because I simply write the poems;
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Let other people read 'em.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Oh once Bob Dylan phoned me
>>> > > > > > > >>>> But didn't praise my work
>>> > > > > > > >>>> So I hung up on him. He's just
>>> > > > > > > >>>> A pissbum and a jerk.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> I know he's simply jealous,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Like all those guys, of me.
>>> > > > > > > >>>> That's why they bury all my stuff;
>>> > > > > > > >>>> It's a conspiracy.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> I know I could be published
>>> > > > > > > >>>> And everyone would buy,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> But knowing the conspiracy
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Why would I even try?
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> So I just stay on usenet
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Where true success depends,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Not on your money, or your fame,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> But on your online friends.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> I'm friends with half a dozen
>>> > > > > > > >>>> True poets just like me.
>>> > > > > > > >>>> (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
>>> > > > > > > >>>> With the conspiracy.)
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> They say my poems are perfect,
>>> > > > > > > >>>> And all I have to do
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Is thank all six, and tell them all
>>> > > > > > > >>>> Their poems are perfect, too.
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > > >>>> ~~
>>> > > > > > > >>>> GJD

> <...>

>>> Yes it is your problem just like it was the Danish fleet's. You didn't see what I posted about Horatio Nelson...
>>>
>>> > HTH and HAND.

>> I'll need to Google Horatio Nelson, I'm not familiar with him.

> You might know him better in the Horatio Hornblower character based on him...

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower

> I know a LOT about him, being a Navy man and a follower of navy lore from childhood and so on....

I'm familiar with Horatio Hornblower through the Star Trek connection, but I've yet to read any of the novels.

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 6:55:07 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:35:13 PM UTC, rocky...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 5:59:33 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:41:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Guess Who?
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I'm usenet's greatest poet,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> At least that's what they say.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> The Village People love my work
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> And I'm not even gay.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> The most prolific poet
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> The internet has known,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I've written fifty thousand poems
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> In the past week alone.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I sit at my computer
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> And dream of South and North,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> And just like vomit from a drunk
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> The poems come gushing forth.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> It's sometimes hard to type them,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> They all come out so fast,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> And some of them are really long
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> While some are just half-vast.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I've never learned poetics;
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I know that I don't need 'em
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Because I simply write the poems;
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Let other people read 'em.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Oh once Bob Dylan phoned me
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> But didn't praise my work
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> So I hung up on him. He's just
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> A pissbum and a jerk.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I know he's simply jealous,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Like all those guys, of me.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> That's why they bury all my stuff;
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> It's a conspiracy.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I know I could be published
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> And everyone would buy,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> But knowing the conspiracy
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Why would I even try?
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> So I just stay on usenet
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Where true success depends,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Not on your money, or your fame,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> But on your online friends.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> I'm friends with half a dozen
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> True poets just like me.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> With the conspiracy.)
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> They say my poems are perfect,
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> And all I have to do
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Is thank all six, and tell them all
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> Their poems are perfect, too.
> > >> > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> ~~
> > >> > > > > > > >>>> GJD
> > <...>
> > >> Yes it is your problem just like it was the Danish fleet's. You didn't see what I posted about Horatio Nelson...
> > >>
> > >> > HTH and HAND.
> >
> > > I'll need to Google Horatio Nelson, I'm not familiar with him.
> > You might know him better in the Horatio Hornblower character based on him...
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower
> >
> > I know a LOT about him, being a Navy man and a follower of navy lore from childhood and so on....
> You are wrong, George Sulzbach. Do some more Googling.

Indeed he is -- but you'll never convince him of it.

The Donkey and his Stink are incapable of garnering more than a general sense of any article they read. Their reading comprehension skills are based on hashtags: #Wikipedia article + #Horatio Nelson + #Horatio Hornblower means that #Hornblower = #Nelson.

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:43:15 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 6:55:07 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:35:13 PM UTC, rocky...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > You might know him better in the Horatio Hornblower character based on him...
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower
> > >
> > > I know a LOT about him, being a Navy man and a follower of navy lore from childhood and so on....
> > You are wrong, George Sulzbach. Do some more Googling.
> Indeed he is -- but you'll never convince him of it.
George Sulzbach will say that we are lying--just to save face. Star Trek--a pox on that. Admiral Nelson appears (dead) as a character in the Hornblower novels and is mentioned somewhat frequently.
>
> The Donkey and his Stink are incapable of garnering more than a general sense of any article they read. Their reading comprehension skills are based on hashtags: #Wikipedia article + #Horatio Nelson + #Horatio Hornblower means that #Hornblower = #Nelson.
Do they understand that one was a real person and the other is a character in books?

I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially on Horatio Nelson.

HTH and HAND.

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:57:28 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:43:15 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 6:55:07 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:35:13 PM UTC, rocky...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > You might know him better in the Horatio Hornblower character based on him...
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower
> > > >
> > > > I know a LOT about him, being a Navy man and a follower of navy lore from childhood and so on....
> > > You are wrong, George Sulzbach. Do some more Googling.
> > Indeed he is -- but you'll never convince him of it.
> George Sulzbach will say that we are lying--just to save face. Star Trek--a pox on that. Admiral Nelson appears (dead) as a character in the Hornblower novels and is mentioned somewhat frequently.
> >
> > The Donkey and his Stink are incapable of garnering more than a general sense of any article they read. Their reading comprehension skills are based on hashtags: #Wikipedia article + #Horatio Nelson + #Horatio Hornblower means that #Hornblower = #Nelson.
> Do they understand that one was a real person and the other is a character in books?

Nope.

Donkey: "...from what I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially on Horatio Nelson."

I stand humbled yet again-- Devil, you infernal scoundrel why do you mock me so!

Dirge
On the Death of Lord Nelson
Anon
The Morning Chronicle (November 8, 1805)

Why o'er the dark and troubled deep
Is heard at times a mournful noise;
While Victors midst their triumphs weep,
The vanquish'd in their fall rejoice!

Why burst the sobs of yonder Tars,
But now triumphant o'er the foe;
Unmindful of their gory scars,
Their tears that now first learn to flow?

For NELSON'S death their tears are shed,
And grief alone their thoughts employs;
Ev'n Vict'ry's self reclines her head,
And weeping checks her wonted joys.

Thy deeds, great Chief, shall be the theme,
Afar on Ganges' hallow'd shores;
While Niagara's lightening stream,
Thy dreaded name in thunder roars.

Stern MARS, as 'midst the fight he raves,
Shall ev'ry dreadful peal prolong;
And NEPTUNE roll his gory waves,
To sound their fav'rite's fun'ral song.

And while on high her Warrior's tomb
Thy weeping country grateful rears;
Thy laurels o'er it e'er shall bloom,
Still water'd by a Nation's tears.

from Romantic Circles https://romantic-circles.org/editions/warpoetry/1805/1805_8.html

Anon may be the greatest, so many works in their name!
and Anon says that they have aged quite graciously

On Thursday, 9 June 2022 at 21:27:42 UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:57:28 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:43:15 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 6:55:07 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:35:13 PM UTC, rocky...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > You might know him better in the Horatio Hornblower character based on him...
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower
> > > > >
> > > > > I know a LOT about him, being a Navy man and a follower of navy lore from childhood and so on....
> > > > You are wrong, George Sulzbach. Do some more Googling.
> > > Indeed he is -- but you'll never convince him of it.
> > George Sulzbach will say that we are lying--just to save face. Star Trek--a pox on that. Admiral Nelson appears (dead) as a character in the Hornblower novels and is mentioned somewhat frequently.
> > >
> > > The Donkey and his Stink are incapable of garnering more than a general sense of any article they read. Their reading comprehension skills are based on hashtags: #Wikipedia article + #Horatio Nelson + #Horatio Hornblower means that #Hornblower = #Nelson.
> > Do they understand that one was a real person and the other is a character in books?
> Nope.
>
> Donkey: "...from what I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially on Horatio Nelson."

Well, just bless his heart..

Like I said:

I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^°^^^^^^^^^^^

on Horatio Nelson.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The character was "based partially" on Nelson.

HTH and HAND.

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:05:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Rocky Rhodan wrote:
>
> > Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 5:59:33 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:41:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >>> > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance wrote:
> >>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Guess Who?
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> I'm usenet's greatest poet,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> At least that's what they say.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> The Village People love my work
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> And I'm not even gay.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> The most prolific poet
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> The internet has known,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> I've written fifty thousand poems
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> In the past week alone.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> I sit at my computer
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> And dream of South and North,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> And just like vomit from a drunk
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> The poems come gushing forth.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> It's sometimes hard to type them,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> They all come out so fast,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> And some of them are really long
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> While some are just half-vast.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> I've never learned poetics;
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> I know that I don't need 'em
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Because I simply write the poems;
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Let other people read 'em.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Oh once Bob Dylan phoned me
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> But didn't praise my work
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> So I hung up on him. He's just
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> A pissbum and a jerk.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> I know he's simply jealous,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Like all those guys, of me.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> That's why they bury all my stuff;
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> It's a conspiracy.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> I know I could be published
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> And everyone would buy,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> But knowing the conspiracy
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Why would I even try?
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> So I just stay on usenet
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Where true success depends,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Not on your money, or your fame,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> But on your online friends.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> I'm friends with half a dozen
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> True poets just like me.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> With the conspiracy.)
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> They say my poems are perfect,
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> And all I have to do
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Is thank all six, and tell them all
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> Their poems are perfect, too.
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> ~~
> >>> > > > > > > >>>> GJD
>
> > <...>
>
> >>> Yes it is your problem just like it was the Danish fleet's. You didn't see what I posted about Horatio Nelson...
> >>>
> >>> > HTH and HAND.
>
> >> I'll need to Google Horatio Nelson, I'm not familiar with him.
>
> > You might know him better in the Horatio Hornblower character based on him...
>
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower
>
> > I know a LOT about him, being a Navy man and a follower of navy lore from childhood and so on....
> I'm familiar with Horatio Hornblower through the Star Trek connection, but I've yet to read any of the novels.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:44:10 PM UTC-4, Family Guy wrote:
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 7:05:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Rocky Rhodan wrote:
> >
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > >> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 5:59:33 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:41:03 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > >>> > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Guess Who?
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> I'm usenet's greatest poet,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> At least that's what they say.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> The Village People love my work
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> And I'm not even gay.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> The most prolific poet
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> The internet has known,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> I've written fifty thousand poems
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> In the past week alone.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> I sit at my computer
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> And dream of South and North,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> And just like vomit from a drunk
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> The poems come gushing forth.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> It's sometimes hard to type them,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> They all come out so fast,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> And some of them are really long
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> While some are just half-vast.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> I've never learned poetics;
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> I know that I don't need 'em
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Because I simply write the poems;
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Let other people read 'em.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Oh once Bob Dylan phoned me
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> But didn't praise my work
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> So I hung up on him. He's just
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> A pissbum and a jerk.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> I know he's simply jealous,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Like all those guys, of me.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> That's why they bury all my stuff;
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> It's a conspiracy.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> I know I could be published
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> And everyone would buy,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> But knowing the conspiracy
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Why would I even try?
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> So I just stay on usenet
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Where true success depends,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Not on your money, or your fame,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> But on your online friends.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> I'm friends with half a dozen
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> True poets just like me.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> With the conspiracy.)
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> They say my poems are perfect,
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> And all I have to do
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Is thank all six, and tell them all
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Their poems are perfect, too.
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> ~~
> > >>> > > > > > > >>>> GJD
> >
> > > <...>
> >
> > >>> Yes it is your problem just like it was the Danish fleet's. You didn't see what I posted about Horatio Nelson...
> > >>>
> > >>> > HTH and HAND.
> >
> > >> I'll need to Google Horatio Nelson, I'm not familiar with him.
> >
> > > You might know him better in the Horatio Hornblower character based on him...
> >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/I'mwiki/Horatio_Hornblower
> >
> > > I know a LOT about him, being a Navy man and a follower of navy lore from childhood and so on....
> > I'm familiar with Horatio Hornblower through the Star Trek connection, but I've yet to read any of the novels.
> You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Yes, I do.

On 2022-06-08 6:51 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:34:36 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-06-06 8:14 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 7:12:10 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-06-06 6:17 p.m., General-Zod wrote:
>>>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guess Who?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm usenet's greatest poet,
>>>>>> At least that's what they say.
>>>>>> The Village People love my work
>>>>>> And I'm not even gay.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The most prolific poet
>>>>>> The internet has known,
>>>>>> I've written fifty thousand poems
>>>>>> In the past week alone.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I sit at my computer
>>>>>> And dream of South and North,
>>>>>> And just like vomit from a drunk
>>>>>> The poems come gushing forth.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's sometimes hard to type them,
>>>>>> They all come out so fast,
>>>>>> And some of them are really long
>>>>>> While some are just half-vast.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never learned poetics;
>>>>>> I know that I don't need 'em
>>>>>> Because I simply write the poems;
>>>>>> Let other people read 'em.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh once Bob Dylan phoned me
>>>>>> But didn't praise my work
>>>>>> So I hung up on him. He's just
>>>>>> A pissbum and a jerk.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know he's simply jealous,
>>>>>> Like all those guys, of me.
>>>>>> That's why they bury all my stuff;
>>>>>> It's a conspiracy.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know I could be published
>>>>>> And everyone would buy,
>>>>>> But knowing the conspiracy
>>>>>> Why would I even try?
>>>>>
>>>>>> So I just stay on usenet
>>>>>> Where true success depends,
>>>>>> Not on your money, or your fame,
>>>>>> But on your online friends.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm friends with half a dozen
>>>>>> True poets just like me.
>>>>>> (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
>>>>>> With the conspiracy.)
>>>>>
>>>>>> They say my poems are perfect,
>>>>>> And all I have to do
>>>>>> Is thank all six, and tell them all
>>>>>> Their poems are perfect, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~
>>>>>> GJD
>>>>>
>>>>> Second read, quite excellent poetry....
>>>> Thanks, Zod. I appreciate your trying to get the thread back to the OP.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe "excellent" is to high praise, but I am happy with it. The meter's
>>>> good, and it's one I've never used before. As for the content, it is
>>>> satire, so it's meant to be humorous rather than profound, and I'd say
>>>> it works there, too.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't belong on the blog or wiki, but I do have a section of mainly
>>>> satire on other poets in the /Doggerel/ book -- if I expand that section
>>>> in the collected volume I'm planning, this will fit right in.
>>>
>>> So your "poetry book" is satire of other poets?
>>
>> Not all of it, silly; but the month of April (NaPoMo) is mainly that.
>>
>>> Seeing your satire work here and how nasty you have become, I'm sure your satire is "Dogshitflinging" with gratuitous use of "jism"!
>>
>> I can't think of any stupider idea than debating one of my poems with
>> someone who's never read it. If you'd like, since as I said they don't
>> have a permanent home online, I could repost them as new threads, one
>> by-one, and you could comment after you know what you're talking about.
>
> There's new interest in your Unsampled series also, perhaps the time is right to bring that, as well.

Unsampled was never meant to be a regular series. When Senetto began
purging poems, and then poets, the second time around, I started
Unsampled as a place for them, so people could read what was cut as well
as what was "accepted", but I never had interest in turning it into a
competitor to the Sampler. The original idea of a magazine-style poetry
thread open to the entire group made sense, but the idea of a one open
to a self-selected few isn't something that appeals to me. I can
understand the appeal to you, as a writing prompt, but writing new
poetry is not a priority with me.

I would like to see more poetry here, and I think reposting the "April"*
poems from /Doggerel/ as stand-alones would be the best way to do that,
as it increases the chance of their being seen and read in future. Even
if most of the replies, as in this thread, are garbage, they at least
bump the threads and give the OP more visibility. At the least, anyone
venturing in here will be aware that I have written poetry, and know
that much about me.

There are 8 poems in that part of the book -- posting them twice a week
would mean they'd all be reposted in a month -- so that looks like the
best frequency. Then, depending on how it works out, I might do the same
with "May".

(* - not to be confused with /April/ magazine, of course).

On 2022-06-08 8:34 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 7:36:34 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> Guess Who?
>>
>> I'm usenet's greatest poet,
>> At least that's what they say.
>> The Village People love my work
>> And I'm not even gay.
>>
>> The most prolific poet
>> The internet has known,
>> I've written fifty thousand poems
>> In the past week alone.
>>
>> I sit at my computer
>> And dream of South and North,
>> And just like vomit from a drunk
>> The poems come gushing forth.
>>
>> It's sometimes hard to type them,
>> They all come out so fast,
>> And some of them are really long
>> While some are just half-vast.
>>
>> I've never learned poetics;
>> I know that I don't need 'em
>> Because I simply write the poems;
>> Let other people read 'em.
>>
>> Oh once Bob Dylan phoned me
>> But didn't praise my work
>> So I hung up on him. He's just
>> A pissbum and a jerk.
>>
>> I know he's simply jealous,
>> Like all those guys, of me.
>> That's why they bury all my stuff;
>> It's a conspiracy.
>>
>> I know I could be published
>> And everyone would buy,
>> But knowing the conspiracy
>> Why would I even try?
>>
>> So I just stay on usenet
>> Where true success depends,
>> Not on your money, or your fame,
>> But on your online friends.
>>
>> I'm friends with half a dozen
>> True poets just like me.
>> (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
>> With the conspiracy.)
>>
>> They say my poems are perfect,
>> And all I have to do
>> Is thank all six, and tell them all
>> Their poems are perfect, too.
>>
>> ~~
>> GJD
>
> Wait a minute, this thing is about me. No wonder it has gathered 800 views and counting.
>

"HC" insists it's about him, and Michael says it seems to be describing
Will. I'll let you three argue that out among yourselves.

snip

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:31:28 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-08 8:34 p.m., Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 7:36:34 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> Guess Who?
> >>
> >> I'm usenet's greatest poet,
> >> At least that's what they say.
> >> The Village People love my work
> >> And I'm not even gay.
> >>
> >> The most prolific poet
> >> The internet has known,
> >> I've written fifty thousand poems
> >> In the past week alone.
> >>
> >> I sit at my computer
> >> And dream of South and North,
> >> And just like vomit from a drunk
> >> The poems come gushing forth.
> >>
> >> It's sometimes hard to type them,
> >> They all come out so fast,
> >> And some of them are really long
> >> While some are just half-vast.
> >>
> >> I've never learned poetics;
> >> I know that I don't need 'em
> >> Because I simply write the poems;
> >> Let other people read 'em.
> >>
> >> Oh once Bob Dylan phoned me
> >> But didn't praise my work
> >> So I hung up on him. He's just
> >> A pissbum and a jerk.
> >>
> >> I know he's simply jealous,
> >> Like all those guys, of me.
> >> That's why they bury all my stuff;
> >> It's a conspiracy.
> >>
> >> I know I could be published
> >> And everyone would buy,
> >> But knowing the conspiracy
> >> Why would I even try?
> >>
> >> So I just stay on usenet
> >> Where true success depends,
> >> Not on your money, or your fame,
> >> But on your online friends.
> >>
> >> I'm friends with half a dozen
> >> True poets just like me.
> >> (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> >> With the conspiracy.)
> >>
> >> They say my poems are perfect,
> >> And all I have to do
> >> Is thank all six, and tell them all
> >> Their poems are perfect, too.
> >>
> >> ~~
> >> GJD
> >
> > Wait a minute, this thing is about me. No wonder it has gathered 800 views and counting.
> >
>
> "HC" insists it's about him, and Michael says it seems to be describing
> Will. I'll let you three argue that out among yourselves.
>
> snip

Which way did ego?

On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., W-Dockery wrote:
> I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
> Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
> I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
> on Horatio Nelson.
> HTH and HAND.

I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
interested enough to do my own googling.

Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
expert; according to her bio, she's

"an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."

So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.

"One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
and Jean-Luc Picard."
http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/

Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations

On 2022-06-05 4:38 p.m., General-Zod wrote:
> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:14:40 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 12:13:18 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca
>>> >
>>> > I'm glad you found a way to enjoy it. No names are mentioned, so a
>>> > reader's free to apply it to whomever they think it fits.
>>> That gives the poem a certain timeless quality...
>
>> Like this?
>
>> IN SPITE OF SPITE /for Mr Superiority/
>
>> A mighty Man is merely a Mite
>> while grappling with what is Right
>> Yoked by Brilliance clouding his Sight
>> casting him in such unflattering Light
>> In Ridicule he basks in reviled Delight
>> Despite Brilliance he demeans it with Spite
>> ~~~AshWurthing, (from ASH'S GREATEST POETRY FITS)
>
>> Could you tell where I drew inspiration from?  Libertarian? Libertine?
>
> Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!

I think this praise by Zod illustrates my point. This is at least the
third poem the Ashtroll has posted in this thread, but I didn't notice
the others getting any postitive comment. This time, though, since the
Ashtroll took my advice and left out the names, Zod didn't detect any
malice, and was able to read and appreciate it as a poem; and the
Ashtroll got a "bravo!"

What I had said was:

Yes it is your problem just like it was the Danish fleet's. You didn't see what I _posted_about_Horatio_Nelson_...

Will, do a search of posts, no need to go any further than that
HTH & HAxD.

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:06:21 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-05 4:38 p.m., General-Zod wrote:
> > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:14:40 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 12:13:18 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm glad you found a way to enjoy it. No names are mentioned, so a
> >>> > reader's free to apply it to whomever they think it fits.
> >>> That gives the poem a certain timeless quality...
> >
> >> Like this?
> >
> >> IN SPITE OF SPITE /for Mr Superiority/
> >
> >> A mighty Man is merely a Mite
> >> while grappling with what is Right
> >> Yoked by Brilliance clouding his Sight
> >> casting him in such unflattering Light
> >> In Ridicule he basks in reviled Delight
> >> Despite Brilliance he demeans it with Spite
> >> ~~~AshWurthing, (from ASH'S GREATEST POETRY FITS)
> >
> >> Could you tell where I drew inspiration from? Libertarian? Libertine?
> >
> > Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!
>
> I think this praise by Zod illustrates my point. This is at least the
> third poem the Ashtroll has posted in this thread, but I didn't notice
> the others getting any postitive comment. This time, though, since the
> Ashtroll took my advice and left out the names, Zod didn't detect any
> malice, and was able to read and appreciate it as a poem; and the
> Ashtroll got a "bravo!"

Of course I left the any names out, it was meant to be about Man in general, just as Wilnot's work was. Yes I had to tell you as you trolled because obviously that would been the only way you would figure it out.

And if you weren't so blind-- my poems normally don't any comments from anyone, so you can stroke that superior poet ego of yours because you're obviously in need of the validation.

On 2022-06-08 9:40 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:34:36 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-06-06 8:14 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> Seeing your satire work here and how nasty you have become, I'm sure your satire is "Dogshitflinging" with gratuitous use of "jism"!
>>
>> I can't think of any stupider idea than debating one of my poems with
>> someone who's never read it. If you'd like, since as I said they don't
>> have a permanent home online, I could repost them as new threads, one
>> by-one, and you could comment after you know what you're talking about.
>
> If knowing what "I'm talking about" means being like you, I will remain ignorant but still retaining my dignity!
>

Sorry if this offends you, too, but criticizing poetry you haven't read
doesn't make you look very "dignified." It makes you look like a
prejudiced fool, with the emphasis on the noun.

> I have read your "work"... and how much it came across as you inadvertently speaking about yourself. They say when you point a finger at someone, there's the other three fingers of yours pointing right back at 'ya!
>

That was a fresh use of "IKYABWAI" -- so refreshing I used it to you in
another thread.

> You're the only conspirapid poster here, speaking of fake news, media control and Faucism. And look what kept popping up in your "work":
>
> "Like all those guys, of me.
> That's why they bury all my stuff;
> It's a ***CONSPIRACY***.
>
> "I know I could be published
> And everyone would buy,
> But knowing the ***CONSPIRACY***
> Why would I even try? "
>
> "I'm friends with half a dozen
> True poets just like me.
> (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> With the conspiracy.)
>

Senetto seems to think there's a conspiracy to bury his "work" and steal
his thunder. Michael, for one, has said the same thing explicitly.

> Your buddy Zod tries to tell everyone here that he, Will and you are the only "real" poets here.

You're lying about Zod. In fact, he complimented one of your own poems
in this very thread:

"Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!"

He compliments your poetry, and you express your gratitude by lying
about him.

> This is definitely you writing about YOU! Look at included commentary you got for the proof! Nasty Georgie, you such a set yourself up artist!
> "They say my poems are perfect,
> And all I have to do
> Is thank all six, and tell them all
> Their poems are perfect, too. "
>
> GZ: "Second read, quite excellent poetry.... "

ROTFLMAO! Zod complimented your poem just as highly. Does that make my
poem about you?

> GD: "Thanks, Zod. I appreciate your trying to get the thread back to the OP."

That's how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry,
thank them.

Not how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry, spread
a lie about them.

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:48:48 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., W-Dockery wrote:
> > I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
> > Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
> > I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
> > on Horatio Nelson.
> > HTH and HAND.
> I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
> while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
> interested enough to do my own googling.
>
> Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
> expert; according to her bio, she's
>
> "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
> both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
> as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."
>
> So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
> can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
> about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.

Well, no... she doesn't.

You seem to have missed the point, George.

Here's what the Wikipedia article said:

"Inspirations
There are many parallels between Hornblower and real naval officers of the period, notably Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson, Sir George Cockburn, Lord Cochrane, Sir Edward Pellew, Jeremiah Coghlan, Sir James Gordon and Sir William Hoste."

IOW: Hornblower was *inspired by* Nelson and many of his peers.

He was not *based on* Nelson as both of the Splooges have claimed.

"Inspired by" ≠ "based on."

Words matter.

> "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
> model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
> best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
> protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
> inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
> and Jean-Luc Picard."
> http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/
>
> Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
> her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
> article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
> Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 1:16:50 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:48:48 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., W-Dockery wrote:
> > > I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
> > > Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
> > > I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
> > > on Horatio Nelson.
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
> > while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
> > interested enough to do my own googling.
> >
> > Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
> > expert; according to her bio, she's
> >
> > "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
> > both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
> > as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."
Which certainly makes her a go-to source for expert opinions on British Naval history.

> >
> > So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
> > can't say;
Then why bring her up if she is not a credible source?

> > but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
> > about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.
> Well, no... she doesn't.

No, she doesn't. It sounds like Ms. Kramer read shallowly of Nelson.
>
> You seem to have missed the point, George.
>
> Here's what the Wikipedia article said:
>
> "Inspirations
> There are many parallels between Hornblower and real naval officers of the period, notably Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson, Sir George Cockburn, Lord Cochrane, Sir Edward Pellew, Jeremiah Coghlan, Sir James Gordon and Sir William Hoste."
>
> IOW: Hornblower was *inspired by* Nelson and many of his peers.
>
> He was not *based on* Nelson as both of the Splooges have claimed.
>
> "Inspired by" ≠ "based on."
>
> Words matter.
George Dance skipped that part, as it was inconvenient to his argument.

> > "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
> > model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
> > best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
> > protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
> > inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
> > and Jean-Luc Picard."
> > http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/
> >
"Obvious" is sometimes wrong. See below.

> > Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
> > her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
> > article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
> > Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations

So what? One in three people get seasick. Are they all emulating Nelson and Hornblower? We once spent a grueling half-day ocean fishing trip in the waters off San Diego. We were below deck puking the entire time. The rest of the passengers did not say, "Oh, they're just like Nelson and Hornblower!"

If George Dance is going to do research, he should go to primary sources. Who is more primary than C. S. Forester for the name of his character and the influences? From "The Hornblower Companion" – C. S. Forester (1964) p. 90:

“One final point, before the Margaret Johnson sighted the Bishop Light and we entered the English Channel. This odd character had to have a name – so far he had been merely ‘he’ in my discussions with myself. He had to have a name which the readers would remember easily, which would stand out on the page, and which would not be confused with any other name. […] It would be desirable, but not entirely necessary for ‘him’ to have a slightly grotesque name – something more for his absurd self-consciousness to be disturbed about. The consideration of least weight – the merest milligram – was that ‘he’ was a slightly grotesque character, too. ‘Horatio’ came first to mind, and oddly enough not because of Nelson but because of Hamlet; but it met an essential requirement because it was a name with contemporary associations. Nelson was by no means the only Horatio in late Georgian times. Then, from Horatio, it seemed a natural and easy step to Hornblower. At one moment he was ‘he’; at the next, ‘Horatio’; and yet a moment later he was ‘Captain Horatio Hornblower of His Britannic Majesty’s Navy,’ and the last awkward corner was turned and the novel practically ready to be written, and there was England fully in sight on the port bow.”
----------

"Thank God I have done my duty." - NG and "somebody else"

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:45:59 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-08 9:40 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:34:36 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-06-06 8:14 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>> Seeing your satire work here and how nasty you have become, I'm sure your satire is "Dogshitflinging" with gratuitous use of "jism"!
> >>
> >> I can't think of any stupider idea than debating one of my poems with
> >> someone who's never read it. If you'd like, since as I said they don't
> >> have a permanent home online, I could repost them as new threads, one
> >> by-one, and you could comment after you know what you're talking about.
> >
> > If knowing what "I'm talking about" means being like you, I will remain ignorant but still retaining my dignity!
> >
>
> Sorry if this offends you, too, but criticizing poetry you haven't read
> doesn't make you look very "dignified." It makes you look like a
> prejudiced fool, with the emphasis on the noun.
>
> > I have read your "work"... and how much it came across as you inadvertently speaking about yourself. They say when you point a finger at someone, there's the other three fingers of yours pointing right back at 'ya!
> >
>
> That was a fresh use of "IKYABWAI" -- so refreshing I used it to you in
> another thread.
>
> > You're the only conspirapid poster here, speaking of fake news, media control and Faucism. And look what kept popping up in your "work":
> >
> > "Like all those guys, of me.
> > That's why they bury all my stuff;
> > It's a ***CONSPIRACY***.
> >
> > "I know I could be published
> > And everyone would buy,
> > But knowing the ***CONSPIRACY***
> > Why would I even try? "
> >
> > "I'm friends with half a dozen
> > True poets just like me.
> > (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> > With the conspiracy.)
> >
> Senetto seems to think there's a conspiracy to bury his "work" and steal
> his thunder. Michael, for one, has said the same thing explicitly.
>

Apparently not explicitly enough, since you've attempted to change its meaning (above).

I have never said that there was a conspiracy. What I said was that Will Donkey and his Stink attempt to bury everyone else's threads.

This is *not* an attempt to steal any non-existent thunder.

It is a blatant attempt to *drive people away* from AAPC.

Nor is their attempt a "conspiracy." It is two childish cyberbullies attempting to exercise some form of control over others.

I have previously drawn an analogy between Will and a fat kid who sits in the middle of the baseball field at recess and refuses to move unless the other children make him captain of a team.

> > Your buddy Zod tries to tell everyone here that he, Will and you are the only "real" poets here.
>
> You're lying about Zod. In fact, he complimented one of your own poems
> in this very thread:
>
> "Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!"
>
> He compliments your poetry, and you express your gratitude by lying
> about him.

"Quite good" is the emptiest of praise. Stink hands out such praise to those he expects to receive a handout from in return. It's a bum thing.

> > This is definitely you writing about YOU! Look at included commentary you got for the proof! Nasty Georgie, you such a set yourself up artist!
> > "They say my poems are perfect,
> > And all I have to do
> > Is thank all six, and tell them all
> > Their poems are perfect, too. "
> >
> > GZ: "Second read, quite excellent poetry.... "
>
> ROTFLMAO! Zod complimented your poem just as highly. Does that make my
> poem about you?
>
> > GD: "Thanks, Zod. I appreciate your trying to get the thread back to the OP."
>
> That's how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry,
> thank them.

Wrong.

When someone offers you constructive criticism, thank them.

When someone praises your poetry and takes the time to explain why they feel it is worthy of praise, thank them.

This isn't Facebook where you click on a little "like" button.

If you like a poem, dissect it -- examine each of its parts and explain how they come together as a whole.

Stink's opinion is meaningless here, because he never offers anything more than a "like."

> Not how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry, spread
> a lie about them.

A slurp doesn't negate the fact that Stink pretends that only he, Will and you are the only poets here.

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:48:48 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., W-Dockery wrote:
> > > I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
> > > Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
> > > I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
> > > on Horatio Nelson.
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
> > while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
> > interested enough to do my own googling.
> >
> > Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
> > expert; according to her bio, she's
> >
> > "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
> > both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
> > as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."
> >
> > So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
> > can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
> > about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.
> Well, no... she doesn't.
>
> You seem to have missed the point, George.
>
> Here's what the Wikipedia article said:
>
> "Inspirations
> There are many parallels between Hornblower and real naval officers of the period, notably Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson, Sir George Cockburn, Lord Cochrane, Sir Edward Pellew, Jeremiah Coghlan, Sir James Gordon and Sir William Hoste."
>
> IOW: Hornblower was *inspired by* Nelson and many of his peers.
>
> He was not *based on* Nelson as both of the Splooges have claimed.
>
> "Inspired by" ≠ "based on."
>
> Words matter.
> > "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
> > model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
> > best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
> > protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
> > inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
> > and Jean-Luc Picard."
> > http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/
> >
> > Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
> > her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
> > article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
> > Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations

Okay, Horatio Hornblower was partially inspired by Horatio Nelson, that works.

🙂

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 11:53:42 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 5:48:48 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
> > > > Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
> > > > I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
> > > > on Horatio Nelson.
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
> > > while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
> > > interested enough to do my own googling.
> > >
> > > Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
> > > expert; according to her bio, she's
> > >
> > > "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
> > > both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
> > > as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."
> > >
> > > So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
> > > can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
> > > about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.
> > Well, no... she doesn't.
> >
> > You seem to have missed the point, George.
> >
> > Here's what the Wikipedia article said:
> >
> > "Inspirations
> > There are many parallels between Hornblower and real naval officers of the period, notably Admiral Lord Horatio Nelson, Sir George Cockburn, Lord Cochrane, Sir Edward Pellew, Jeremiah Coghlan, Sir James Gordon and Sir William Hoste."
> >
> > IOW: Hornblower was *inspired by* Nelson and many of his peers.
> >
> > He was not *based on* Nelson as both of the Splooges have claimed.
> >
> > "Inspired by" ≠ "based on."
> >
> > Words matter.
> > > "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
> > > model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
> > > best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
> > > protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
> > > inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
> > > and Jean-Luc Picard."
> > > http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/
> > >
> > > Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
> > > her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
> > > article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
> > > Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations
> Okay, Horatio Hornblower was partially inspired by Horatio Nelson, that works.
>
> 🙂

Drat and dagnabit. I thought Horatio was inspired by Hamlet.

I miss Horatio aka Milo, one of the better poets here.

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:34:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I miss Horatio aka Milo, one of the better poets here.

Of course you do.