George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
>> Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
>> I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
>> on Horatio Nelson.
>> HTH and HAND.

> I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
> while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
> interested enough to do my own googling.

> Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
> expert; according to her bio, she's

> "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
> both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
> as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."

> So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
> can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
> about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.

> "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
> model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
> best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
> protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
> inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
> and Jean-Luc Picard."
> http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/

> Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
> her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
> article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
> Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations

Again, this is a good start on listing what is similar with Horatio Nelson and the Horatio Hornblower character.

Again, I don't claim to be an expert so can only go with what I find on the topic from searching the internet.

HTH and HAND.

Will Dockery wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:

>> On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
>>> Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
>>> I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
>>> on Horatio Nelson.
>>> HTH and HAND.

>> I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
>> while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
>> interested enough to do my own googling.

>> Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
>> expert; according to her bio, she's

>> "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
>> both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
>> as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."

>> So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
>> can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
>> about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.

>> "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
>> model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
>> best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
>> protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
>> inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
>> and Jean-Luc Picard."
>> http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/

>> Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
>> her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
>> article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
>> Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations

> Again, this is a good start on listing what is similar with Horatio Nelson and the Horatio Hornblower character.

> Again, I don't claim to be an expert so can only go with what I find on the topic from searching the internet.

> HTH and HAND.

The two have many definite similarities, Nancy G. must know this....

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 8:00:15 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >> I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
> >> Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
> >> I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
> >> on Horatio Nelson.
> >> HTH and HAND.
>
> > I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
> > while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
> > interested enough to do my own googling.
>
> > Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
> > expert; according to her bio, she's
>
> > "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
> > both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
> > as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."
>
> > So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
> > can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
> > about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.
>
> > "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
> > model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
> > best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
> > protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
> > inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
> > and Jean-Luc Picard."
> > http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/
>
> > Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
> > her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
> > article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
> > Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations
>
> Again, this is a good start on listing what is similar with Horatio Nelson and the Horatio Hornblower character.
>
> Again, I don't claim to be an expert so can only go with what I find on the topic from searching the internet.
>
Therefore, you and Vagina Hug can't list any similarities, because they don't exist. One person in three suffers from seasickness. They are not all Hornblowers and Nelsons.

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 4:26:33 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 8:00:15 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > >> I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
> > >> Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
> > >> I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
> > >> on Horatio Nelson.
> > >> HTH and HAND.
> >
> > > I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
> > > while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
> > > interested enough to do my own googling.
> >
> > > Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
> > > expert; according to her bio, she's
> >
> > > "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
> > > both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
> > > as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."
> >
> > > So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
> > > can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
> > > about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.
> >
> > > "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
> > > model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
> > > best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
> > > protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
> > > inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
> > > and Jean-Luc Picard."
> > > http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/
> >
> > > Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
> > > her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
> > > article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
> > > Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations
> >
> > Again, this is a good start on listing what is similar with Horatio Nelson and the Horatio Hornblower character.
> >
> > Again, I don't claim to be an expert so can only go with what I find on the topic from searching the internet.
> >
> Therefore, you and Vagina Hug can't list any similarities,

I can list quite a few of them, Nancy G......

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 4:29:33 PM UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 4:26:33 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 8:00:15 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
> > > >> Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
> > > >> I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
> > > >> on Horatio Nelson.
> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > >
> > > > I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
> > > > while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
> > > > interested enough to do my own googling.
> > >
> > > > Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
> > > > expert; according to her bio, she's
> > >
> > > > "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
> > > > both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
> > > > as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."
> > >
> > > > So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
> > > > can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
> > > > about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.
> > >
> > > > "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
> > > > model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
> > > > best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
> > > > protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
> > > > inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
> > > > and Jean-Luc Picard."
> > > > http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/
> > >
> > > > Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
> > > > her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
> > > > article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
> > > > Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations
> > >
> > > Again, this is a good start on listing what is similar with Horatio Nelson and the Horatio Hornblower character.
> > >
> > > Again, I don't claim to be an expert so can only go with what I find on the topic from searching the internet.
> > >
> > Therefore, you and Vagina Hug can't list any similarities,
> I can list quite a few of them, Nancy G......

I am sure you are an expert on seamen.

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> NancyGene wrote:
>
> > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 3:53:42 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> Okay, Horatio Hornblower was partially inspired by Horatio Nelson, that works.
> >>
> > No, you are wrong. Read our post in this thread. You can call C. S. Forester a liar if you like.
>
> I never called C.S. Forester a liar, but how did he explain the many similarities between his Horatio Hornblower character and Horatio Nelson?
>
> Just coincidence?
>
> HTH and HAND.

Notice how Nancy G. avoids dealing with this aspect.....

NancyGene wrote:

> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 8:00:15 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>
>> > On 2022-06-09 8:52 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> >> I know more about Horatio Hornblower's influence on Star Trek than I do
>> >> Horatio Nelson's influence on the Hornblower character, but from what
>> >> I've just read on Google, Horatio Hornblower was indeed based partially
>> >> on Horatio Nelson.
>> >> HTH and HAND.
>>
>> > I see "Professor NancyGene" has returned to challenge your claim. So,
>> > while I'm not all that interested in Hornblower and Nelson, I was
>> > interested enough to do my own googling.
>>
>> > Here's a website I found by Kyra Cornelius Kramer. She's not a literary
>> > expert; according to her bio, she's
>>
>> > "an author and freelance medical anthropologist. She had BS degrees in
>> > both biology and anthropology from the University of Kentucky, as well
>> > as a MA in medical anthropology from Southern Methodist University."
>>
>> > So she's just an amateur who knows something of the subject. How much, I
>> > can't say; but then, I can't say how much if anything Prof. NG knows
>> > about it either. So Kramer's opinion at least balances that off.
>>
>> > "One of Nelson’s most interesting legacies is that he was the obvious
>> > model for Horatio Hornblower, the navy officer in a series of
>> > best-selling early 20th century novels by C. S. Forester. In turn, the
>> > protagonist of the Forester novels was the source of Gene Roddenberry‘s
>> > inspiration when he created his famous starship captains James T. Kirk
>> > and Jean-Luc Picard."
>> > http://www.kyrackramer.com/2018/09/29/horatio-nelson-hornblower-prototype-and-hero-of-trafalgar/
>>
>> > Kramer doesn't get into the similarities, but one that I noticed from
>> > her article is that Nelson got seasick. According to the Wikipedia
>> > article on Hornblower, that was a recurring motif in the novels:
>> > Hornblower "suffers from seasickness at the start of each of his voyages."
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Hornblower#Inspirations
>>
>> Again, this is a good start on listing what is similar with Horatio Nelson and the Horatio Hornblower character.
>>
>> Again, I don't claim to be an expert so can only go with what I find on the topic from searching the internet.
>>
> Therefore, you can't list any similarities

From what I've read online about Horatio Nelson the character of Horatio Hornblower, I think I can list some similarities.

On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:45:59 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-06-08 9:40 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:34:36 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-06-06 8:14 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>> Seeing your satire work here and how nasty you have become, I'm sure your satire is "Dogshitflinging" with gratuitous use of "jism"!
> >>
> >> I can't think of any stupider idea than debating one of my poems with
> >> someone who's never read it. If you'd like, since as I said they don't
> >> have a permanent home online, I could repost them as new threads, one
> >> by-one, and you could comment after you know what you're talking about.
> >
> > If knowing what "I'm talking about" means being like you, I will remain ignorant but still retaining my dignity!
> >
>
> Sorry if this offends you, too, but criticizing poetry you haven't read
> doesn't make you look very "dignified." It makes you look like a
> prejudiced fool, with the emphasis on the noun.
>
> > I have read your "work"... and how much it came across as you inadvertently speaking about yourself. They say when you point a finger at someone, there's the other three fingers of yours pointing right back at 'ya!
> >
>
> That was a fresh use of "IKYABWAI" -- so refreshing I used it to you in
> another thread.
>
> > You're the only conspirapid poster here, speaking of fake news, media control and Faucism. And look what kept popping up in your "work":
> >
> > "Like all those guys, of me.
> > That's why they bury all my stuff;
> > It's a ***CONSPIRACY***.
> >
> > "I know I could be published
> > And everyone would buy,
> > But knowing the ***CONSPIRACY***
> > Why would I even try? "
> >
> > "I'm friends with half a dozen
> > True poets just like me.
> > (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> > With the conspiracy.)
> >
> Senetto seems to think there's a conspiracy to bury his "work" and steal
> his thunder. Michael, for one, has said the same thing explicitly.
>
> > Your buddy Zod tries to tell everyone here that he, Will and you are the only "real" poets here.
>
> You're lying about Zod. In fact, he complimented one of your own poems
> in this very thread:
>
> "Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!"
>
> He compliments your poetry, and you express your gratitude by lying
> about him.
>
> > This is definitely you writing about YOU! Look at included commentary you got for the proof! Nasty Georgie, you such a set yourself up artist!
> > "They say my poems are perfect,
> > And all I have to do
> > Is thank all six, and tell them all
> > Their poems are perfect, too. "
> >
> > GZ: "Second read, quite excellent poetry.... "
>
> ROTFLMAO! Zod complimented your poem just as highly. Does that make my
> poem about you?
>
> > GD: "Thanks, Zod. I appreciate your trying to get the thread back to the OP."
>
> That's how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry,
> thank them.
>
> Not how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry, spread
> a lie about them.

Well put.

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:35:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:45:59 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-06-08 9:40 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:34:36 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-06-06 8:14 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>> Seeing your satire work here and how nasty you have become, I'm sure your satire is "Dogshitflinging" with gratuitous use of "jism"!
> > >>
> > >> I can't think of any stupider idea than debating one of my poems with
> > >> someone who's never read it. If you'd like, since as I said they don't
> > >> have a permanent home online, I could repost them as new threads, one
> > >> by-one, and you could comment after you know what you're talking about.
> > >
> > > If knowing what "I'm talking about" means being like you, I will remain ignorant but still retaining my dignity!
> > >
> >
> > Sorry if this offends you, too, but criticizing poetry you haven't read
> > doesn't make you look very "dignified." It makes you look like a
> > prejudiced fool, with the emphasis on the noun.
> >
> > > I have read your "work"... and how much it came across as you inadvertently speaking about yourself. They say when you point a finger at someone, there's the other three fingers of yours pointing right back at 'ya!
> > >
> >
> > That was a fresh use of "IKYABWAI" -- so refreshing I used it to you in
> > another thread.
> >
> > > You're the only conspirapid poster here, speaking of fake news, media control and Faucism. And look what kept popping up in your "work":
> > >
> > > "Like all those guys, of me.
> > > That's why they bury all my stuff;
> > > It's a ***CONSPIRACY***.
> > >
> > > "I know I could be published
> > > And everyone would buy,
> > > But knowing the ***CONSPIRACY***
> > > Why would I even try? "
> > >
> > > "I'm friends with half a dozen
> > > True poets just like me.
> > > (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> > > With the conspiracy.)
> > >
> > Senetto seems to think there's a conspiracy to bury his "work" and steal
> > his thunder. Michael, for one, has said the same thing explicitly.
> >
> > > Your buddy Zod tries to tell everyone here that he, Will and you are the only "real" poets here.
> >
> > You're lying about Zod. In fact, he complimented one of your own poems
> > in this very thread:
> >
> > "Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!"
> >
> > He compliments your poetry, and you express your gratitude by lying
> > about him.
> >
> > > This is definitely you writing about YOU! Look at included commentary you got for the proof! Nasty Georgie, you such a set yourself up artist!
> > > "They say my poems are perfect,
> > > And all I have to do
> > > Is thank all six, and tell them all
> > > Their poems are perfect, too. "
> > >
> > > GZ: "Second read, quite excellent poetry.... "
> >
> > ROTFLMAO! Zod complimented your poem just as highly. Does that make my
> > poem about you?
> >
> > > GD: "Thanks, Zod. I appreciate your trying to get the thread back to the OP."
> >
> > That's how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry,
> > thank them.
> >
> > Not how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry, spread
> > a lie about them.
>
> Well put.

Mebbe, but I was too busy dealing with George Dance (of no reading comprehension but of much truth spinning) try to shame me for making jokes about my "fake" handicap to notice Zod responding in this morass so oh well now-- any praise he gives is lies when he also demeans my work in other posts. Remember the truce off whipping fools and I have lots to open fire with...

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:00:23 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:35:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:45:59 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-06-08 9:40 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:34:36 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-06-06 8:14 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>> Seeing your satire work here and how nasty you have become, I'm sure your satire is "Dogshitflinging" with gratuitous use of "jism"!
> > > >>
> > > >> I can't think of any stupider idea than debating one of my poems with
> > > >> someone who's never read it. If you'd like, since as I said they don't
> > > >> have a permanent home online, I could repost them as new threads, one
> > > >> by-one, and you could comment after you know what you're talking about.
> > > >
> > > > If knowing what "I'm talking about" means being like you, I will remain ignorant but still retaining my dignity!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sorry if this offends you, too, but criticizing poetry you haven't read
> > > doesn't make you look very "dignified." It makes you look like a
> > > prejudiced fool, with the emphasis on the noun.
> > >
> > > > I have read your "work"... and how much it came across as you inadvertently speaking about yourself. They say when you point a finger at someone, there's the other three fingers of yours pointing right back at 'ya!
> > > >
> > >
> > > That was a fresh use of "IKYABWAI" -- so refreshing I used it to you in
> > > another thread.
> > >
> > > > You're the only conspirapid poster here, speaking of fake news, media control and Faucism. And look what kept popping up in your "work":
> > > >
> > > > "Like all those guys, of me.
> > > > That's why they bury all my stuff;
> > > > It's a ***CONSPIRACY***.
> > > >
> > > > "I know I could be published
> > > > And everyone would buy,
> > > > But knowing the ***CONSPIRACY***
> > > > Why would I even try? "
> > > >
> > > > "I'm friends with half a dozen
> > > > True poets just like me.
> > > > (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> > > > With the conspiracy.)
> > > >
> > > Senetto seems to think there's a conspiracy to bury his "work" and steal
> > > his thunder. Michael, for one, has said the same thing explicitly.
> > >
> > > > Your buddy Zod tries to tell everyone here that he, Will and you are the only "real" poets here.
> > >
> > > You're lying about Zod. In fact, he complimented one of your own poems
> > > in this very thread:
> > >
> > > "Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!"
> > >
> > > He compliments your poetry, and you express your gratitude by lying
> > > about him.
> > >
> > > > This is definitely you writing about YOU! Look at included commentary you got for the proof! Nasty Georgie, you such a set yourself up artist!
> > > > "They say my poems are perfect,
> > > > And all I have to do
> > > > Is thank all six, and tell them all
> > > > Their poems are perfect, too. "
> > > >
> > > > GZ: "Second read, quite excellent poetry.... "
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO! Zod complimented your poem just as highly. Does that make my
> > > poem about you?
> > >
> > > > GD: "Thanks, Zod. I appreciate your trying to get the thread back to the OP."
> > >
> > > That's how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry,
> > > thank them.
> > >
> > > Not how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry, spread
> > > a lie about them.
> >
> > Well put.
> Mebbe, but I was too busy dealing with George Dance (of no reading comprehension but of much truth spinning) try to shame me for making jokes about my "fake" handicap to notice Zod responding in this morass so oh well now-- any praise he gives is lies when he also demeans my work in other posts. Remember the truce off whipping fools and I have lots to open fire with...

Nothing to fight about in my opinion, George Dance made some valid points.

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:04:48 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:00:23 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:35:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:45:59 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On 2022-06-08 9:40 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:34:36 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-06-06 8:14 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >>> Seeing your satire work here and how nasty you have become, I'm sure your satire is "Dogshitflinging" with gratuitous use of "jism"!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I can't think of any stupider idea than debating one of my poems with
> > > > >> someone who's never read it. If you'd like, since as I said they don't
> > > > >> have a permanent home online, I could repost them as new threads, one
> > > > >> by-one, and you could comment after you know what you're talking about.
> > > > >
> > > > > If knowing what "I'm talking about" means being like you, I will remain ignorant but still retaining my dignity!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this offends you, too, but criticizing poetry you haven't read
> > > > doesn't make you look very "dignified." It makes you look like a
> > > > prejudiced fool, with the emphasis on the noun.
> > > >
> > > > > I have read your "work"... and how much it came across as you inadvertently speaking about yourself. They say when you point a finger at someone, there's the other three fingers of yours pointing right back at 'ya!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That was a fresh use of "IKYABWAI" -- so refreshing I used it to you in
> > > > another thread.
> > > >
> > > > > You're the only conspirapid poster here, speaking of fake news, media control and Faucism. And look what kept popping up in your "work":
> > > > >
> > > > > "Like all those guys, of me.
> > > > > That's why they bury all my stuff;
> > > > > It's a ***CONSPIRACY***.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I know I could be published
> > > > > And everyone would buy,
> > > > > But knowing the ***CONSPIRACY***
> > > > > Why would I even try? "
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'm friends with half a dozen
> > > > > True poets just like me.
> > > > > (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> > > > > With the conspiracy.)
> > > > >
> > > > Senetto seems to think there's a conspiracy to bury his "work" and steal
> > > > his thunder. Michael, for one, has said the same thing explicitly.
> > > >
> > > > > Your buddy Zod tries to tell everyone here that he, Will and you are the only "real" poets here.
> > > >
> > > > You're lying about Zod. In fact, he complimented one of your own poems
> > > > in this very thread:
> > > >
> > > > "Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!"
> > > >
> > > > He compliments your poetry, and you express your gratitude by lying
> > > > about him.
> > > >
> > > > > This is definitely you writing about YOU! Look at included commentary you got for the proof! Nasty Georgie, you such a set yourself up artist!
> > > > > "They say my poems are perfect,
> > > > > And all I have to do
> > > > > Is thank all six, and tell them all
> > > > > Their poems are perfect, too. "
> > > > >
> > > > > GZ: "Second read, quite excellent poetry.... "
> > > >
> > > > ROTFLMAO! Zod complimented your poem just as highly. Does that make my
> > > > poem about you?
> > > >
> > > > > GD: "Thanks, Zod. I appreciate your trying to get the thread back to the OP."
> > > >
> > > > That's how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry,
> > > > thank them.
> > > >
> > > > Not how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry, spread
> > > > a lie about them.
> > >
> > > Well put.
> > Mebbe, but I was too busy dealing with George Dance (of no reading comprehension but of much truth spinning) try to shame me for making jokes about my "fake" handicap to notice Zod responding in this morass so oh well now-- any praise he gives is lies when he also demeans my work in other posts. Remember the truce off whipping fools and I have lots to open fire with...
> Nothing to fight about in my opinion, George Dance made some valid points..

mebbe about thanking people for positive feedback, but most likely nothing valid about anything else

I've been polite so far, staying out of the latest mess you got yourself into-- I have the luxury of conducting my campaign at my leisure

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:26:08 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:04:48 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:00:23 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 2:35:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 7:45:59 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > On 2022-06-08 9:40 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 6:34:36 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo..ca wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2022-06-06 8:14 p.m., Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > >>> Seeing your satire work here and how nasty you have become, I'm sure your satire is "Dogshitflinging" with gratuitous use of "jism"!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I can't think of any stupider idea than debating one of my poems with
> > > > > >> someone who's never read it. If you'd like, since as I said they don't
> > > > > >> have a permanent home online, I could repost them as new threads, one
> > > > > >> by-one, and you could comment after you know what you're talking about.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If knowing what "I'm talking about" means being like you, I will remain ignorant but still retaining my dignity!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if this offends you, too, but criticizing poetry you haven't read
> > > > > doesn't make you look very "dignified." It makes you look like a
> > > > > prejudiced fool, with the emphasis on the noun.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have read your "work"... and how much it came across as you inadvertently speaking about yourself. They say when you point a finger at someone, there's the other three fingers of yours pointing right back at 'ya!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That was a fresh use of "IKYABWAI" -- so refreshing I used it to you in
> > > > > another thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > > You're the only conspirapid poster here, speaking of fake news, media control and Faucism. And look what kept popping up in your "work":
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Like all those guys, of me.
> > > > > > That's why they bury all my stuff;
> > > > > > It's a ***CONSPIRACY***.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "I know I could be published
> > > > > > And everyone would buy,
> > > > > > But knowing the ***CONSPIRACY***
> > > > > > Why would I even try? "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "I'm friends with half a dozen
> > > > > > True poets just like me.
> > > > > > (Sometimes we write, sometimes we fight
> > > > > > With the conspiracy.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > Senetto seems to think there's a conspiracy to bury his "work" and steal
> > > > > his thunder. Michael, for one, has said the same thing explicitly..
> > > > >
> > > > > > Your buddy Zod tries to tell everyone here that he, Will and you are the only "real" poets here.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're lying about Zod. In fact, he complimented one of your own poems
> > > > > in this very thread:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Quite good, Ash.... bravo....!"
> > > > >
> > > > > He compliments your poetry, and you express your gratitude by lying
> > > > > about him.
> > > > >
> > > > > > This is definitely you writing about YOU! Look at included commentary you got for the proof! Nasty Georgie, you such a set yourself up artist!
> > > > > > "They say my poems are perfect,
> > > > > > And all I have to do
> > > > > > Is thank all six, and tell them all
> > > > > > Their poems are perfect, too. "
> > > > > >
> > > > > > GZ: "Second read, quite excellent poetry.... "
> > > > >
> > > > > ROTFLMAO! Zod complimented your poem just as highly. Does that make my
> > > > > poem about you?
> > > > >
> > > > > > GD: "Thanks, Zod. I appreciate your trying to get the thread back to the OP."
> > > > >
> > > > > That's how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry,
> > > > > thank them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not how it should be done here: When someone praises your poetry, spread
> > > > > a lie about them.
> > > >
> > > > Well put.
> > > Mebbe, but I was too busy dealing with George Dance (of no reading comprehension but of much truth spinning) try to shame me for making jokes about my "fake" handicap to notice Zod responding in this morass so oh well now-- any praise he gives is lies when he also demeans my work in other posts. Remember the truce off whipping fools and I have lots to open fire with....
> > Nothing to fight about in my opinion, George Dance made some valid points.
> mebbe about thanking people for positive feedback,

No maybe about it.

🙂

but most likely nothing valid about anything else
>
> I've been polite so far, staying out of the latest mess you got yourself into-- I have the luxury of conducting my campaign at my leisure

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1994/12/25/for-the-love-of-a-sailor/87290743-d0da-4780-8d5e-afa14bd9be86/

*************Nelson was used by C.S. Forester as inspiration and model for Horatio Hornblower, the fictional seaman who in the course of a dozen novels rises through the Royal Navy from midshipman to lord admiral, along the way fighting a number of engagements notably similar to Nelson's.*******************

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-4, Rocky Stoneberg wrote:
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1994/12/25/for-the-love-of-a-sailor/87290743-d0da-4780-8d5e-afa14bd9be86/
>
> *************Nelson was used by C.S. Forester as inspiration and model for Horatio Hornblower, the fictional seaman who in the course of a dozen novels rises through the Royal Navy from midshipman to lord admiral, along the way fighting a number of engagements notably similar to Nelson's.*******************

Yes, perhaps Forester changed his mind.

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:55:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-4, Rocky Stoneberg wrote:
> >
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1994/12/25/for-the-love-of-a-sailor/87290743-d0da-4780-8d5e-afa14bd9be86/
> >
> > *************Nelson was used by C.S. Forester as inspiration and model for Horatio Hornblower, the fictional seaman who in the course of a dozen novels rises through the Royal Navy from midshipman to lord admiral, along the way fighting a number of engagements notably similar to Nelson's.*******************
> Yes, perhaps Forester changed his mind.

No because that quote is not attributed to Forrester, don't you understand, or are you trying to rewrite what Forrester already wrote about the character HH's origin, like people are trying to write the Holocaust out of the history books?

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 12:36:20 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:55:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-4, Rocky Stoneberg wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1994/12/25/for-the-love-of-a-sailor/87290743-d0da-4780-8d5e-afa14bd9be86/
> > >
> > > *************Nelson was used by C.S. Forester as inspiration and model for Horatio Hornblower, the fictional seaman who in the course of a dozen novels rises through the Royal Navy from midshipman to lord admiral, along the way fighting a number of engagements notably similar to Nelson's.*******************
> > Yes, perhaps Forester changed his mind.
> No because that quote is not attributed to Forrester, don't you understand, or are you trying to rewrite what Forrester already wrote about the character HH's origin, like people are trying to write the Holocaust out of the history books?

No.

🙂

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 12:36:20 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:55:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-4, Rocky Stoneberg wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1994/12/25/for-the-love-of-a-sailor/87290743-d0da-4780-8d5e-afa14bd9be86/
> > >
> > > *************Nelson was used by C.S. Forester as inspiration and model for Horatio Hornblower, the fictional seaman who in the course of a dozen novels rises through the Royal Navy from midshipman to lord admiral, along the way fighting a number of engagements notably similar to Nelson's.*******************
> > Yes, perhaps Forester changed his mind.
> No because that quote is not attributed to Forrester, don't you understand, or are you trying to rewrite what Forrester already wrote about the character HH's origin, like people are trying to write the Holocaust out of the history books?

Anyone who takes a look at Horatio Hornblower can see similarities with Horatio Nelson.

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 12:44:42 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 12:36:20 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 11:55:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-4, Rocky Stoneberg wrote:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1994/12/25/for-the-love-of-a-sailor/87290743-d0da-4780-8d5e-afa14bd9be86/
> > > >
> > > > *************Nelson was used by C.S. Forester as inspiration and model for Horatio Hornblower, the fictional seaman who in the course of a dozen novels rises through the Royal Navy from midshipman to lord admiral, along the way fighting a number of engagements notably similar to Nelson's.*******************
> > > Yes, perhaps Forester changed his mind.
> > No because that quote is not attributed to Forrester, don't you understand, or are you trying to rewrite what Forrester already wrote about the character HH's origin, like people are trying to write the Holocaust out of the history books?
> Anyone who takes a look at Horatio Hornblower can see similarities with Horatio Nelson.

ROTFLMAO!

Three days ago you'd never even heard of Horatio Nelson. Now you're claiming that "anyone...can see (the) similarities...".

Could you possibly be any more of a jackass, Donkey?

A man can learn a lot in three days, Michael Monkey.

🙂

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 12:51:07 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> A man can learn a lot in three days, Michael Monkey.

Ah, no they can't, not when they ignore what the author himself work about the character...

Why is this seeming like a repeat of the "Like A Rodent Stoned" fiasco?

And like I said, smells of revisionism. Your ego thinks it can rewrite the history of this character?
There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Dockery, than are explained in your self absorbed world view.

There are ways to state what you're trying to say and replacing the creator's word about his character with your/people's impression about the source of inspiration of a character, isn't the way to do it. You constantly accuse "misrepresentation" and watching you, you obviously don't know what the word means with what you do.

Speak for yourself, Ash.

I can learn a lot in three days, it isn't my fault if you can't.

🙂

On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> I stand humbled yet again-- Devil, you infernal scoundrel why do you mock me so!
>
> Dirge
> On the Death of Lord Nelson
> Anon
> The Morning Chronicle (November 8, 1805)
>
> Why o'er the dark and troubled deep
> Is heard at times a mournful noise;
> While Victors midst their triumphs weep,
> The vanquish'd in their fall rejoice!
>
> Why burst the sobs of yonder Tars,
> But now triumphant o'er the foe;
> Unmindful of their gory scars,
> Their tears that now first learn to flow?
>
> For NELSON'S death their tears are shed,
> And grief alone their thoughts employs;
> Ev'n Vict'ry's self reclines her head,
> And weeping checks her wonted joys.
>
> Thy deeds, great Chief, shall be the theme,
> Afar on Ganges' hallow'd shores;
> While Niagara's lightening stream,
> Thy dreaded name in thunder roars.
>
> Stern MARS, as 'midst the fight he raves,
> Shall ev'ry dreadful peal prolong;
> And NEPTUNE roll his gory waves,
> To sound their fav'rite's fun'ral song.
>
> And while on high her Warrior's tomb
> Thy weeping country grateful rears;
> Thy laurels o'er it e'er shall bloom,
> Still water'd by a Nation's tears.
>
> from Romantic Circles https://romantic-circles.org/editions/warpoetry/1805/1805_8.html
>
> Anon may be the greatest, so many works in their name!
> and Anon says that they have aged quite graciously

Oh the Woe! the Shame! the Ignominy! I was told to be here for the Poetry, but we see He that told us so is not so interested in poetry we bring to He.

The Battle of Trafalgar, A Heroic Poem.
By William Hamilton Drummond
(Belfast: Smyth and Lyons, 1806)
Bibliography of Nineteenth-Century Irish Literature
at Dalhousie University (http://irish-literature.english.dal.ca/texts/trafalgar-bk1.htm)

Lord Admiral Nelson in the Victory, leading one column of ships: the Temeraire, the Neptune, the Conqueror, the Leviathan, the Ajax, the Orion, the Agamemnon, the Minotaur, the Spartiate, the Britannia and the Africa. Also with him was the second column led by Admiral Collingwood in the Royal Sovereign, followed by the Mars, the Belleisle, the Tonnant, the Bellerophon, the Colossus, the Achilles, the Polypheme, the Revenge, the Swiftsure, the Defence, the Thunderer, the Defiance, the Prince and the Dreadnought to penetrate the line of the French and Spanish fleets that outnumbered and outgunned his fleet. Such names!
The signal "England confides that every man will do his duty*" was given and so the battle begun.
And in celebration and mourning of the victory it was written:

WHAT flags low-streaming o'er the murmuring deep,
In mournful triumph, bid Britannia weep?
What sounds of sorrow reach the listening shore?
"Mourn, Albion, mourn, thy Nelson is no more!"
While grief and joy their tides alternate roll,
In rapid eddies, o'er thy troubled soul;
With tearful smiles, thy blushing laurels view,
Bedropped with blood, and twined with funeral yew;
The hard-earned trophies from Iberia won,
Or torn from Gallia, by thy bravest son.

Let Caledonia robed in sable vest,
Her locks loose-floating o'er her throbbing breast,
In all the sweet solemnity of woe,
Bid the sad dirge in weeping numbers flow;
‘Till hill, and vale, and rock, and echoing dell
Resound the wild-notes of the deep-toned shell,
In hollow cadence to thy wild-wave's roar,
"Mourn, Britain, mourn! thy Nelson is no more!"

Thou too, green Erin! join the plaintive lay,
And mourn, with me, Trafalgar's fatal day:
Touched with the sacred sympathy of song,
High on thy bleeting cliffs the dirge prolong;
Pour thy lorn sorrows on the sighing gale,
And let thy thrilling harp repeat the tale;
While tears, fast-gushing from their copious springs,
In trembling radiance glisten on the strings;
Waft the sad strain around thy emerald shore,
"Nelson the brave, the mighty is no more!"

But ye, proud foes of Britain! loud rejoice,
Rise from defeat, and lift th' exulting voice:
The prince of ocean, Albion's brightest star,
Bronte's dread lord, that thunderbolt of war,
Whose haughty ship, with blazing flag unfurled,
Bore Britain's glory round the subject world,
With storm and battle shook each hostile shore;
Nelson, your scourge, your terror is no more!

Another interesting subject brought up in Note 4:

"It may be difficult to mark the exact boundary of what should be termed plagiarism: where the sentiment and expression are both borrowed without due acknowledgement, there can be no doubt:--single words, on the contrary, taken from other authors, cannot convict a writer of plagiarism: they are lawful game, wild by nature; the property of all who can capture them--and, perhaps, a few common flowers of speech may be gathered as we pass our neighbour's inclosure, without stigmatizing us with the title of thieves but we must not therefore plunder his cultivated fruit."
~~ DARWIN
also from :
http://irish-literature.english.dal.ca/texts/trafalgar-bk1.htm

* and so will the battle over that will begin...

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 2:12:53 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > I stand humbled yet again-- Devil, you infernal scoundrel why do you mock me so!
> >
> > Dirge
> > On the Death of Lord Nelson
> > Anon
> > The Morning Chronicle (November 8, 1805)
> >
> > Why o'er the dark and troubled deep
> > Is heard at times a mournful noise;
> > While Victors midst their triumphs weep,
> > The vanquish'd in their fall rejoice!
> >
> > Why burst the sobs of yonder Tars,
> > But now triumphant o'er the foe;
> > Unmindful of their gory scars,
> > Their tears that now first learn to flow?
> >
> > For NELSON'S death their tears are shed,
> > And grief alone their thoughts employs;
> > Ev'n Vict'ry's self reclines her head,
> > And weeping checks her wonted joys.
> >
> > Thy deeds, great Chief, shall be the theme,
> > Afar on Ganges' hallow'd shores;
> > While Niagara's lightening stream,
> > Thy dreaded name in thunder roars.
> >
> > Stern MARS, as 'midst the fight he raves,
> > Shall ev'ry dreadful peal prolong;
> > And NEPTUNE roll his gory waves,
> > To sound their fav'rite's fun'ral song.
> >
> > And while on high her Warrior's tomb
> > Thy weeping country grateful rears;
> > Thy laurels o'er it e'er shall bloom,
> > Still water'd by a Nation's tears.
> >
> > from Romantic Circles https://romantic-circles.org/editions/warpoetry/1805/1805_8.html
> >
> > Anon may be the greatest, so many works in their name!
> > and Anon says that they have aged quite graciously
>
> Oh the Woe! the Shame! the Ignominy! I was told to be here for the Poetry, but we see He that told us so is not so interested in poetry we bring to He.
>
> The Battle of Trafalgar, A Heroic Poem.
> By William Hamilton Drummond
> (Belfast: Smyth and Lyons, 1806)
> Bibliography of Nineteenth-Century Irish Literature
> at Dalhousie University (http://irish-literature.english.dal.ca/texts/trafalgar-bk1.htm)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://irish-literature.english.dal.ca/texts/trafalgar-bk1.htm)
>
> Lord Admiral Nelson in the Victory, leading one column of ships: the Temeraire, the Neptune, the Conqueror, the Leviathan, the Ajax, the Orion, the Agamemnon, the Minotaur, the Spartiate, the Britannia and the Africa. Also with him was the second column led by Admiral Collingwood in the Royal Sovereign, followed by the Mars, the Belleisle, the Tonnant, the Bellerophon, the Colossus, the Achilles, the Polypheme, the Revenge, the Swiftsure, the Defence, the Thunderer, the Defiance, the Prince and the Dreadnought to penetrate the line of the French and Spanish fleets that outnumbered and outgunned his fleet. Such names!
> The signal "England confides that every man will do his duty*" was given and so the battle begun.
> And in celebration and mourning of the victory it was written:
>
> WHAT flags low-streaming o'er the murmuring deep,
> In mournful triumph, bid Britannia weep?
> What sounds of sorrow reach the listening shore?
> "Mourn, Albion, mourn, thy Nelson is no more!"
> While grief and joy their tides alternate roll,
> In rapid eddies, o'er thy troubled soul;
> With tearful smiles, thy blushing laurels view,
> Bedropped with blood, and twined with funeral yew;
> The hard-earned trophies from Iberia won,
> Or torn from Gallia, by thy bravest son.
>
> Let Caledonia robed in sable vest,
> Her locks loose-floating o'er her throbbing breast,
> In all the sweet solemnity of woe,
> Bid the sad dirge in weeping numbers flow;
> ‘Till hill, and vale, and rock, and echoing dell
> Resound the wild-notes of the deep-toned shell,
> In hollow cadence to thy wild-wave's roar,
> "Mourn, Britain, mourn! thy Nelson is no more!"
>
> Thou too, green Erin! join the plaintive lay,
> And mourn, with me, Trafalgar's fatal day:
> Touched with the sacred sympathy of song,
> High on thy bleeting cliffs the dirge prolong;
> Pour thy lorn sorrows on the sighing gale,
> And let thy thrilling harp repeat the tale;
> While tears, fast-gushing from their copious springs,
> In trembling radiance glisten on the strings;
> Waft the sad strain around thy emerald shore,
> "Nelson the brave, the mighty is no more!"
>
> But ye, proud foes of Britain! loud rejoice,
> Rise from defeat, and lift th' exulting voice:
> The prince of ocean, Albion's brightest star,
> Bronte's dread lord, that thunderbolt of war,
> Whose haughty ship, with blazing flag unfurled,
> Bore Britain's glory round the subject world,
> With storm and battle shook each hostile shore;
> Nelson, your scourge, your terror is no more!
>
>
> Another interesting subject brought up in Note 4:
>
> "It may be difficult to mark the exact boundary of what should be termed plagiarism: where the sentiment and expression are both borrowed without due acknowledgement, there can be no doubt:--single words, on the contrary, taken from other authors, cannot convict a writer of plagiarism: they are lawful game, wild by nature; the property of all who can capture them--and, perhaps, a few common flowers of speech may be gathered as we pass our neighbour's inclosure, without stigmatizing us with the title of thieves but we must not therefore plunder his cultivated fruit."
> ~~ DARWIN
> also from :
> http://irish-literature.english.dal.ca/texts/trafalgar-bk1.htm
>
> * and so will the battle over that will begin...

Interesting finds, Ash.

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 1:26:11 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Speak for yourself, Ash.
>
> I can learn a lot in three days, it isn't my fault if you can't.

But it is your fault for being so presumptuous to say I cannot learn without any proof as is usual. And you cry "misrepresentation" like you know what it means.

A person obviously hasn't learned much when they ignore what the author himself wrote about the character...

I didn't ignore what the author said about the character, Ash.