On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:26:45 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

>On 2021-06-17 5:21 a.m., edstas...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> Yet, republicans go on and on like the right
>>> might evaporate tomorrow. It's called a
>>> wedge issue, used only to rile up the
>>> uninformed base, but has no basis in reality.
>>
>> Because the 2nd Amendment is continually under attack.
>>
>> Prior to the early 1980s, the NRA was strictly a hobbyist
>> organization, they were forced to become politically active
>> because of the ever more draconian gun control laws being
>> passed at the time (despite these laws having no effect on
>> crime).
>>
>> And everytime a Dem gets in the White House, they propose
>> a whole raft of back-door (and up-front) gun bans, Biden did
>> just that when he entered the race for President.
>>
>> https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
>>
>> There is no point where anti-gun fundies will ever say;
>> "that's enough gun control".
>>
>
>The NRA is now mostly a mouthpiece for the firearms manufacturers.

You mean, of course, "a piggy bank for the Republican-in-charge".
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 15:31:05 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-06-18 7:27 a.m., Jay E. Morris wrote:
> > On 6/18/2021 12:35 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> >> On 2021-06-17 7:32 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
> >>> On 6/17/2021 11:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <L...@UMich.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
> >>>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed, and so could
> >>>> this one be, at least in theory.
> >>>>
> >>>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to "clarify" it,
> >>>> if that appears to be needed.
> >>>>
> >>>> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems unlikely,
> >>>> I'll admit.
> >>>
> >>> Texas became the 21st Constitutional Carry State today.
> >>>
> >>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting
> >>> Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry bill into law”
> >>>
> >>> https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-constitutional-carry-greg-abbott/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting
> >>> Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed the permitless
> >>> carry bill into law.”
> >>>
> >>> Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State. I thought that
> >>> this would never happen.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210525/alabama-texas-beats-alabama-to-become-21st-constitutional-carry-state
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Lynn
> >>
> >> Let the carnage commence.
> >
> > People said that in 1995 when concealed carry passed and were shown to
> > be full of shit. People said that in 2016 when the open carry bill
> > passed and were shown to be full of shit. People said that in every
> > state where permitless or constitutional carry passed and were shown to
> > be full of shit.
> >
> > Welcome to the club.
> Ask yourself what is going to happen when there is an active shooter,
> and then 6 other people take out their guns...
>
> ...and then the trigger-happy police show up.

Kind of like this story.

<https://notalwaysright.com/loyalty-thy-name-is-dog/237505/>

Local police collect a student from school and take him
to his home. It turns out that a burglar got chased up a
tree in the yard by the family dog - on his way /out/ of
the house, so, good dog, but...

The neighbour has called the police, and one officer goes
to arrest the guy in the tree. The dog isn't on the same
page and he chases the officer up the tree.

The student is brought in just in time to prevent another
police officer from shooting his dog.

Tagged "Funny".

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 21:32:43 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6/17/2021 11:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
>>
>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed, and so could
>> this one be, at least in theory.
>>
>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to "clarify" it,
>> if that appears to be needed.
>>
>> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems unlikely,
>> I'll admit.
>
>Texas became the 21st Constitutional Carry State today.
>
>“Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept.
>1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry bill into law”
>
>https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-constitutional-carry-greg-abbott/
>
>“Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept.
>1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed the permitless carry bill
>into law.”
>
>Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State. I thought that this
>would never happen.
>
>https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210525/alabama-texas-beats-alabama-to-become-21st-constitutional-carry-state

Kinda makes you sorry the Usual Suspects kept pulling out their
favorite Gun Control Measures every time a shooting happened --
without checking to see if what they were proposing would have in any
way impeded that particular event.

A State full of armed people whose Gov has stated he believes should
be free to do anything they like. Any bets he's under the delusion
that only White Republican Males have guns?
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:31:01 -0700, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

>On 2021-06-18 7:27 a.m., Jay E. Morris wrote:
>> On 6/18/2021 12:35 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-17 7:32 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 6/17/2021 11:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>>>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed, and so could
>>>>> this one be, at least in theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to "clarify" it,
>>>>> if that appears to be needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems unlikely,
>>>>> I'll admit.
>>>>
>>>> Texas became the 21st Constitutional Carry State today.
>>>>
>>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting
>>>> Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry bill into law”
>>>>
>>>> https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-constitutional-carry-greg-abbott/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting
>>>> Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed the permitless
>>>> carry bill into law.”
>>>>
>>>> Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State.  I thought that
>>>> this would never happen.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210525/alabama-texas-beats-alabama-to-become-21st-constitutional-carry-state
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Let the carnage commence.
>>
>> People said that in 1995 when concealed carry passed and were shown to
>> be full of shit. People said that in 2016 when the open carry bill
>> passed and were shown to be full of shit. People said that in every
>> state where permitless or constitutional carry passed and were shown to
>> be full of shit.
>>
>> Welcome to the club.
>
>Ask yourself what is going to happen when there is an active shooter,
>and then 6 other people take out their guns...
>
>...and then the trigger-happy police show up.

Myself, I'm waiting for them to decide that age limits are
unconstitional, and then start to arm grade-schoolers.

Won't /that/ be fun!
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On 2021-06-18 9:12 a.m., Paul S Person wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:28:13 -0700, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-06-17 10:01 a.m., Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 05:21:48 -0700 (PDT), "edstas...@gmail.com"
>>> <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, republicans go on and on like the right
>>>>> might evaporate tomorrow. It's called a
>>>>> wedge issue, used only to rile up the
>>>>> uninformed base, but has no basis in reality.
>>>>
>>>> Because the 2nd Amendment is continually under attack.
>>>>
>>>> Prior to the early 1980s, the NRA was strictly a hobbyist
>>>> organization, they were forced to become politically active
>>>> because of the ever more draconian gun control laws being
>>>> passed at the time (despite these laws having no effect on
>>>> crime).
>>>
>>> And now it is being investigated as a criminal organization, and gives
>>> off all the classic signs of an organization run for the benefit of
>>> the leaders.
>>>
>>> I don't like gun nuts; they are boring. But they deserve better than
>>> to see the NRA self-destruct.
>>>
>>>> And everytime a Dem gets in the White House, they propose
>>>> a whole raft of back-door (and up-front) gun bans, Biden did
>>>> just that when he entered the race for President.
>>>>
>>>> https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
>>>>
>>>> There is no point where anti-gun fundies will ever say;
>>>> "that's enough gun control".
>>>
>>> Now /that/ I agree with.
>>>
>>> Not that there aren't a few restrictions (such as on "ghost guns" and
>>> weapon shops that regularly supply local criminals) that might not
>>> reasonably be applied.
>>>
>>> But, really, 18 people can be stabbed to death and there is no major
>>> outcry. Three get shot and its a national disaster.
>>
>> When was the last time 18 people got stabbed in a single incident?
>
> Who can say? Nobody cares.

Oh, please...

Any time even 4 people got stabbed it would make all the news.

>
>> How many mass shootings have there been this year?
>
> Since they are defined (IIRC) as "at least 3 victims and, no, it
> doesn't matter if it's a domestic dispute", probably quite a few.
>
> Just like last year and the year before that and the year before that
> and ...
>
> You might as well try to outlaw automobiles because of car crashes.

Ummmmmmm....

....no.

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:rbvmcgh362gtsbee86tjvkm5scci71j4j4@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>gives us the right to bear arms.
>
> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed, and so
> could this one be, at least in theory.
>
> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to "clarify"
> it, if that appears to be needed.
>
> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems
> unlikely, I'll admit.

A point he made later on in his post, in the part you snipped out.
And he's right. The odds of getting 2/3 of the states to agree to an
amendment that does not *expand* the right during our lifetimes is
zero.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu> wrote in
news:np-dnfBIVeorXlb9nZ2dnUU7-dHNnZ2d@giganews.com:

> On 6/17/2021 12:55 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
>>
>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed, and
>> so could this one be, at least in theory.
>>
>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to
>> "clarify" it, if that appears to be needed.
>
>
> "...shall not be infringed" isn't ambiguous in the slightest.
>
Neither the Supreme Court's authority to interpret the Constitution
and its amendments.

At this point, dumbass, Alan Baker is making you look stupid.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4c5034ad-bc9b-4c2c-bee2-15f5b11ed8a8n@googlegroups.com:

>> Alan Baker
>> > Lynn McGuire
>> >
>> > Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State.
>>
>> Let the carnage commence.
>
> We’ve been hearing the same thing ever since Florida introduce
> “shall issue” concealed carry back in 1987, yet the U.S.
> murder rate continues to go down despite over 19 million
> Americans now carrying a concealed handgun.

Except in places like New York City, where Democrats are in charge,
and wipe their ass with the Contitution, especially the 2nd
Amendment.

There's shootings are up 70% since the pandemic started.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote in
news:saiah6$ttd$1@dont-email.me:

> On 6/18/2021 12:35 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-06-17 7:32 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> On 6/17/2021 11:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
>>>>
>>>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed, and
>>>> so could this one be, at least in theory.
>>>>
>>>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to
>>>> "clarify" it, if that appears to be needed.
>>>>
>>>> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems
>>>> unlikely, I'll admit.
>>>
>>> Texas became the 21st Constitutional Carry State today.
>>>
>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>> starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless
>>> carry bill into law”
>>>
>>> https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-constitutional-ca
>>> rry-greg-abbott/
>>>
>>>
>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>> starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed
>>> the permitless carry bill into law.”
>>>
>>> Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State.  I thought
>>> that this would never happen.
>>>
>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210525/alabama-texas-beats-al
>>> abama-to-become-21st-constitutional-carry-state
>>>
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> Let the carnage commence.
>
> People said that in 1995 when concealed carry passed and were
> shown to be full of shit. People said that in 2016 when the open
> carry bill passed and were shown to be full of shit. People said
> that in every state where permitless or constitutional carry
> passed and were shown to be full of shit.
>
> Welcome to the club.
>
Look who you're talking to. He's not full of shit, because that
implies there's some something *else* other than shit to contain
the shit. In Alan's case, shit is all there is. Really, really
*stupid* shit.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote in
news:saian6$pgg$5@dont-email.me:

> On 2021-06-18 7:27 a.m., Jay E. Morris wrote:
>> On 6/18/2021 12:35 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-17 7:32 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 6/17/2021 11:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>>>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed,
>>>>> and so could this one be, at least in theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to
>>>>> "clarify" it, if that appears to be needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems
>>>>> unlikely, I'll admit.
>>>>
>>>> Texas became the 21st Constitutional Carry State today.
>>>>
>>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>>> starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless
>>>> carry bill into law”
>>>>
>>>> https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-constitutional-c
>>>> arry-greg-abbott/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>>> starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed
>>>> the permitless carry bill into law.”
>>>>
>>>> Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State.  I thought
>>>> that this would never happen.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210525/alabama-texas-beats-a
>>>> labama-to-become-21st-constitutional-carry-state
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Let the carnage commence.
>>
>> People said that in 1995 when concealed carry passed and were
>> shown to be full of shit. People said that in 2016 when the
>> open carry bill passed and were shown to be full of shit.
>> People said that in every state where permitless or
>> constitutional carry passed and were shown to be full of shit.
>>
>> Welcome to the club.
>
> Ask yourself what is going to happen when there is an active
> shooter, and then 6 other people take out their guns...
>
> ...and then the trigger-happy police show up.

It happens regularly. The "news" media doesn't cover it because it
generally ends up with the perp in custody (perhaps shot, but
usually not) and no one else the worse for wear.

In the diseased fantasy in your head, you won't believe it, and
everybdy excpet perhaps Lynn knows better the to waste their time
providing links to the very rare "news" stories, but you may find
one yourself that actually proves you wrong (as you always do,
literally every single time) while you hallucinate otherwise.

Texas is the *twenty* *first* state to do this. That means there
are *twenty* other states that have *already* done it, some of them
decades ago. There's nothing *new* here. There's *decades* of data
on how it turns out.

!005 of the data says that, as usually, you're a fucking *idiot*.

Now go masturbate to your insane revenge fantasies before the
nurses take your lotion away. Again.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:vkhpcg93pale3vuipm9gjvi23uslbkj2bo@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 21:32:43 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 6/17/2021 11:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
>>>
>>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed, and
>>> so could this one be, at least in theory.
>>>
>>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to
>>> "clarify" it, if that appears to be needed.
>>>
>>> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems
>>> unlikely, I'll admit.
>>
>>Texas became the 21st Constitutional Carry State today.
>>
>>�Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless carry
>>bill into law�
>>
>>https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-constitutional-carr
>>y-greg-abbott/
>>
>>�Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed the
>>permitless carry bill into law.�
>>
>>Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State. I thought
>>that this would never happen.
>>
>>https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210525/alabama-texas-beats-alab
>>ama-to-become-21st-constitutional-carry-state
>
> Kinda makes you sorry the Usual Suspects kept pulling out their
> favorite Gun Control Measures every time a shooting happened --
> without checking to see if what they were proposing would have
> in any way impeded that particular event.
>
> A State full of armed people whose Gov has stated he believes
> should be free to do anything they like. Any bets he's under the
> delusion that only White Republican Males have guns?

That Texas is the 21st state to do this means there's *twenty*
otehr states that already have.

Do you have any reason, other than your own insane hallucinations,
that this time will turn out differently? Or are you so
disconnected from reality that you're literally hallucinating a
world in which those other 20 states have had mass carnage that
simpely doesn't exist in the real world?

The only places with rising murder rates these days are liberal
paradises, like New York City, and Portland, where the authorities
literally protect violent felons from any possible consequences,
including prosecution.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
news:62488d91-7af7-4fff-b687-53ae4bdd31c7n@googlegroups.com:

> There is no point where anti-gun fundies will ever say;
> "that's enough gun control".
>
That's simply not true. "Enough gun control" is when they have all
teh guns, and can kill anyone they want at any time for no reason
without fear of any consequences. They've made that *very* clear.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:qnvmcghu36v1eicpcfhjbv5lv0hji2rbao@4ax.com:

> And now it is being investigated as a criminal organization, and
> gives off all the classic signs of an organization run for the
> benefit of the leaders.
>
Or so claims the political appointee with a very overt agenda in New
York State. If he claimed there are seven days in the week, I'd toss
all my calandars under the assumption they're liberal propaganda.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5621be6f-744c-49b1-9c27-575fe7c712ban@googlegroups.com:

>> Paul S Person
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > Prior to the early 1980s, the NRA was strictly a hobbyist
>> > organization, they were forced to become politically active
>> > because of the ever more draconian gun control laws being
>> > passed at the time (despite these laws having no effect on
>> > crime).
>>
>> I don't like gun nuts; they are boring. But they deserve better
>> than to see the NRA self-destruct.
>
> If it wasn’t for the NRA, we’d be living under UK type
> anti-gun laws or worse (i.e. no handguns and all kinda other
> restrictions).

Strictly speaking, there are quite a few guns of all sorts in the UK,
and gun crimes are rising.
>
> The U.S. murder rate peaked in the early 1990s and has been
> going downhill ever since and this despite almost every state in
> the union having “shall issue” concealed carry laws on the
> books, as well as Americans buying shitloads more guns every
> time a Dem gets in the White House.

Murder rates have been rising during the pandemic, especially in
liberal paradises like NYC and Portland.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:ac6cb5d8-8afc-4121-88a9-e9a0a25ebb46n@googlegroups.com:

> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 3:29:26 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker
> wrote:
>> On 2021-06-17 2:18 p.m., edstas...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> > If guns were the problem then the murder rate would be more
>> > or less the same across the country, instead of being
>> > concentrated in the same inner cities year after year and
>> > ought to be astronomically higher today.
>
>> Nope. That doesn't follow.
>
> Oh, it _does_ follow. Guns aren't "the problem". If peaceful
> law-abiding citizens owned guns in greater numbers, this would
> not greatly increase crime using guns.
>
> The principal cause of crime is, after all, criminals.
>
> The case for gun control is a bit more difficult to make.

Especially in light of historical data, which makes it clear that
the case is *impossible* to make, unless you goal is to increase
violent crime. This is so well established by the data that is
increasingly ridiculous to assume that the goal of the gun grabbers
is anything else.
>
> The first thing is to admit that gun control won't _immediately_
> address gun crimes by, say, drug traffickers. These people might
> have to start spending more money to get guns through more
> illicit channels, but they will likely have guns regardless of
> what is done.

The first thing to admit is that someone killed with a gun is not
somehow magically more dead than someone killed with a knife, or a
baseball bat, or a bomb.

That's is one of the classic *lies* by the gun grabbers, that only
*gun* crime matters (and their insane fantasies won't have much
effect on that, either), and that increases in other kind of
violent crime are preferable to gun crimes (which, of course, is
actually true of gun grabbers - they *do* want *more* violent
crime).
>
> Still, there was gun control legislation that might have had a
> chance of working, but it was thrown out by the courts - a law
> that would have allowed warrantless searches for guns.
>
> But if guns were much less common, things like school
> shootings, and other cases where people are massacred by
> one lone deranged gunman wouild decrease. That's what
> gun control is intended to address.

Typical of the left: We don't like constitutional protections, so
we're going to ignore them and kill anyone who objects. The people
who voted for that law should be executed for treason.
>
> Guns don't cause criminality, but they do facilitate kililngs

And they prevent killings. According to the science - which you
don't believe in, obviously - they prevent crime at least twice and
as much as ten times as often as they are used to commit crime.

Another bullet point *lie* by the gun grabbers, in their quest to
make the life of violent criminals safer.
..
> It's much harder for an unarmed person to defend against someone
> yards away shooting at him than it is to possibly resist a
> knife-wielding attacker.
>
According to the FBI data, if you are the victim of a felony
assault or robbery, the *best* response to not be injured is to
have a gun and use it. The second best response is passive
cooperation, which leave you *twice* as likely to be seriously
injured or killed.

This has all been explained to you, personally, before. More than
once. Even your tiny little brain must retain these facts by now.
Ergo, it *must* be your, specific, personal goal to encourage
*more* violent crime, and make violent criminals safer.

And that makes you a subhuman animal that should be put down as a
matter of public safety.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:5q6pcgp0vkfmri24lfpqg54nk2jk728fj1@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 05:02:44 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 3:29:26 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker
>>wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-17 2:18 p.m., edstas...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> > If guns were the problem then the murder rate would be more
>>> > or less the same across the country, instead of being
>>> > concentrated in the same inner cities year after year and
>>> > ought to be astronomically higher today.
>>
>>> Nope. That doesn't follow.
>>
>>Oh, it _does_ follow. Guns aren't "the problem". If peaceful
>>law-abiding citizens owned guns in greater numbers, this would
>>not greatly increase crime using guns.
>>
>>The principal cause of crime is, after all, criminals.
>>
>>The case for gun control is a bit more difficult to make.
>>
>>The first thing is to admit that gun control won't _immediately_
>>address gun crimes by, say, drug traffickers. These people might
>>have to start spending more money to get guns through more
>>illicit channels, but they will likely have guns regardless of
>>what is done.
>>
>>Still, there was gun control legislation that might have had a
>>chance of working, but it was thrown out by the courts - a law
>>that would have allowed warrantless searches for guns.
>>
>>But if guns were much less common, things like school
>>shootings, and other cases where people are massacred by
>>one lone deranged gunman wouild decrease. That's what
>>gun control is intended to address.
>
> So your solition is a law that addresses about 1% of the
> problem.
>
It doesn't even do that. Mass killings have been done with knives,
and bombs. The kind of mass killings is gasoline. He knows this.
It's very, very obvious that he *wants* more violent crime. It
simply isn't possible that he has any other goal in mind, because
if he were so mentally damaged as to not understand that is the
*inevitable* result of what he advocates, he'd be incapable of
posting to Usenet, or do much of anything else.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
news:45a23ddf-b8e6-4094-8750-cbb7a63a85bfn@googlegroups.com:

>> Alan Baker
>> > Ed Stasiak
>> >
>> > If it wasn’t for the NRA, we’d be living under UK type
> anti-gun laws
>> > or worse (i.e. no handguns and all kinda other restrictions).
>>
>> And that would be so terrible... ...why?
>
> The NRA is the primary and most successful political advocacy
> group protecting our 2nd Amendment right, without them we'd have
> been stripped of our right to self-defense a long time ago, as
> is unfortunately the case for most people on the planet.
>
> http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/638369/Girl-fights-back-man-w
> ho-sexually-assaulted-her-in-Denmark-street-faces-jail By LIZZIE
> STROMME Wed, Jan 27, 2016
>
> Girl fights back against man who 'sexually assaulted her in
> street' - now SHE faces jail
>
> A TEENAGE girl could be jailed after she allegedly fought back
> against a man who tried
> pulling down her trousers.
>
> The 17-year-old was allegedly molested by a man who spoke
> English before she hit him in the face with pepper spray.
>
> But, because the use of the substance is illegal in Denmark, the
> teenager could face a fine or even three months in jail if
> charges are pressed under the country's weapons act.
>
> Local police spokesman Knud Kirsten said: "It is illegal to be
> in possession of and/or using a pepper spray, so she will
> probably [be] charged."
>
> The girl reported her alleged attacker on Thursday and according
> to Danish media the man is yet to be detained.
>
> He allegedly pushed the girl to the ground on the street and
> tried pulling down her trousers.
>
> Police officer Svend Erik Lassen said: "He grabbed her arm and
> told her in English to come with him, but she broke lose from
> the grip.
>
> "He then pushed her over, and while he was laying on top of her,
> he tried taking off her trousers.
>
> Lassen added the girl "found her pepper spray" and "sprayed his
> face". He added: "After this the man ran off."
>
> Mr Lassen said that they are not investigating the newly arrived
> migrants in the area.
>
> He also refused to comment on whether or not they will consider
> dropping any possible charges against the girl as the alleged
> action was self-defence.
>
> Mr Lassen added: "It's up to our legal department."
>
> Police chief Kirsten said this is a case of "illegal weapons
> possession, so it's the same as walking around with a
> switchblade".

It is polistically inadvisable to *say* "we're banning self
defense." The most effective way to ban self defense without
admitting you're doing so is to ban all effective means of self
defense.

The *goal* is to make the life of a violent criminal safer. It
*can't* be anything else, not after so many *decades* of data.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote in
news:sagepd$p8b$2@dont-email.me:

> On 2021-06-17 10:01 a.m., Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 05:21:48 -0700 (PDT), "edstas...@gmail.com"
>> <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> Yet, republicans go on and on like the right
>>>> might evaporate tomorrow. It's called a
>>>> wedge issue, used only to rile up the
>>>> uninformed base, but has no basis in reality.
>>>
>>> Because the 2nd Amendment is continually under attack.
>>>
>>> Prior to the early 1980s, the NRA was strictly a hobbyist
>>> organization, they were forced to become politically active
>>> because of the ever more draconian gun control laws being
>>> passed at the time (despite these laws having no effect on
>>> crime).
>>
>> And now it is being investigated as a criminal organization,
>> and gives off all the classic signs of an organization run for
>> the benefit of the leaders.
>>
>> I don't like gun nuts; they are boring. But they deserve better
>> than to see the NRA self-destruct.
>>
>>> And everytime a Dem gets in the White House, they propose
>>> a whole raft of back-door (and up-front) gun bans, Biden did
>>> just that when he entered the race for President.
>>>
>>> https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
>>>
>>> There is no point where anti-gun fundies will ever say;
>>> "that's enough gun control".
>>
>> Now /that/ I agree with.
>>
>> Not that there aren't a few restrictions (such as on "ghost
>> guns" and weapon shops that regularly supply local criminals)
>> that might not reasonably be applied.
>>
>> But, really, 18 people can be stabbed to death and there is no
>> major outcry. Three get shot and its a national disaster.
>
> When was the last time 18 people got stabbed in a single
> incident?
>
> How many mass shootings have there been this year?

It happens often enough for Wikipedia to have a page on it.

And only a retard - like you - could possibly hallucinate that the
only possible alternative to a mass shooting is a mass stabbing.
Bombs are far more likely, and the king of mass murder is gasoline.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:6chpcgtucmk5l4bjrj701b18u2n852fmd5@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:28:13 -0700, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>>On 2021-06-17 10:01 a.m., Paul S Person wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 05:21:48 -0700 (PDT),
>>> "edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet, republicans go on and on like the right
>>>>> might evaporate tomorrow. It's called a
>>>>> wedge issue, used only to rile up the
>>>>> uninformed base, but has no basis in reality.
>>>>
>>>> Because the 2nd Amendment is continually under attack.
>>>>
>>>> Prior to the early 1980s, the NRA was strictly a hobbyist
>>>> organization, they were forced to become politically active
>>>> because of the ever more draconian gun control laws being
>>>> passed at the time (despite these laws having no effect on
>>>> crime).
>>>
>>> And now it is being investigated as a criminal organization,
>>> and gives off all the classic signs of an organization run for
>>> the benefit of the leaders.
>>>
>>> I don't like gun nuts; they are boring. But they deserve
>>> better than to see the NRA self-destruct.
>>>
>>>> And everytime a Dem gets in the White House, they propose
>>>> a whole raft of back-door (and up-front) gun bans, Biden did
>>>> just that when he entered the race for President.
>>>>
>>>> https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
>>>>
>>>> There is no point where anti-gun fundies will ever say;
>>>> "that's enough gun control".
>>>
>>> Now /that/ I agree with.
>>>
>>> Not that there aren't a few restrictions (such as on "ghost
>>> guns" and weapon shops that regularly supply local criminals)
>>> that might not reasonably be applied.
>>>
>>> But, really, 18 people can be stabbed to death and there is no
>>> major outcry. Three get shot and its a national disaster.
>>
>>When was the last time 18 people got stabbed in a single
>>incident?
>
> Who can say? Nobody cares.
>
>>How many mass shootings have there been this year?
>
> Since they are defined (IIRC) as "at least 3 victims and, no, it
> doesn't matter if it's a domestic dispute", probably quite a
> few.

Gang related shootings are more common that domestic disuptes.
>
> Just like last year and the year before that and the year before
> that and ...
>
> You might as well try to outlaw automobiles because of car
> crashes.

Automobiles kill more people in the typical year that guns, and
yes, automobiles have been used for mass killings. The Santa Monica
farmter's market incident, which wasn't deliberate and still killed
10 and injured 70, comes to mind.

Try to ban cars. Go head, try. (Oh, wait, liberal fascists are
tryign to do that, too.)

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:c04d4d91-8830-4206-9ae5-e0931373dcaen@googlegroups.com:

> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 11:01:59 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person
> wrote:
>
>> But, really, 18 people can be stabbed to death and there is no
>> major outcry. Three get shot and its a national disaster.
>
> Guns make it a lot easier for people to kill people.

Guns make it a lot easier to protect yourself. But, being a Canadian,
you don't believe in self defense because you're not allowed to.
>
> So if people are killed by the use of guns, these deaths could
> perhaps have been *prevented* if the killer had not had any
> access to a gun. Of course there is an outcry when people die
> as a result of government negligence.

According to the science you don't believe in, guns are used 2-10
times as often to prevent crime as to commit it.

You've been told that before. Clearly, you *want* to cause *more*
violent crime.
>
> A ban on knives would create problems for law-abiding citizens;

A ban on guns *has* caused problems for law-abiding citizens.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote in
news:saia6s$rk0$1@dont-email.me:

> On 6/18/2021 8:16 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 04:55:48 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 11:01:59 AM UTC-6, Paul S Person
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But, really, 18 people can be stabbed to death and there is
>>>> no major outcry. Three get shot and its a national disaster.
>>> Guns make it a lot easier for people to kill people.
>>>
>>> So if people are killed by the use of guns, these deaths could
>>> perhaps have been*prevented* if the killer had not had any
>>> access to a gun. Of course there is an outcry when people die
>>> as a result of government negligence.
>> Or he might have blocked the doors and thrown in a Molotov and
>> killed ten times as many
>
> UpStairs Lounge attack in New Orleans in 1973. Emergency exits
> jammed, entrance firebombed. 36 dead.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack
>
Happy Land Fire, Bronx, New York, 1990. 87 dead. Total cost: $1.00.
25 years to life: priceless.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 2021-06-18 9:59 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> "edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:4c5034ad-bc9b-4c2c-bee2-15f5b11ed8a8n@googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Alan Baker
>>>> Lynn McGuire
>>>>
>>>> Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State.
>>>
>>> Let the carnage commence.
>>
>> We’ve been hearing the same thing ever since Florida introduce
>> “shall issue” concealed carry back in 1987, yet the U.S.
>> murder rate continues to go down despite over 19 million
>> Americans now carrying a concealed handgun.
>
> Except in places like New York City, where Democrats are in charge,
> and wipe their ass with the Contitution, especially the 2nd
> Amendment.
>
> There's shootings are up 70% since the pandemic started.
>
>
>

Not that you'll ever offer proof of that...

On 2021-06-18 10:01 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote in
> news:saiah6$ttd$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 6/18/2021 12:35 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-17 7:32 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>> On 6/17/2021 11:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>>>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed, and
>>>>> so could this one be, at least in theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to
>>>>> "clarify" it, if that appears to be needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems
>>>>> unlikely, I'll admit.
>>>>
>>>> Texas became the 21st Constitutional Carry State today.
>>>>
>>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>>> starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless
>>>> carry bill into law”
>>>>
>>>> https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-constitutional-ca
>>>> rry-greg-abbott/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>>> starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed
>>>> the permitless carry bill into law.”
>>>>
>>>> Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State.  I thought
>>>> that this would never happen.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210525/alabama-texas-beats-al
>>>> abama-to-become-21st-constitutional-carry-state
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lynn
>>>
>>> Let the carnage commence.
>>
>> People said that in 1995 when concealed carry passed and were
>> shown to be full of shit. People said that in 2016 when the open
>> carry bill passed and were shown to be full of shit. People said
>> that in every state where permitless or constitutional carry
>> passed and were shown to be full of shit.
>>
>> Welcome to the club.
>>
> Look who you're talking to. He's not full of shit, because that
> implies there's some something *else* other than shit to contain
> the shit. In Alan's case, shit is all there is. Really, really
> *stupid* shit.
>

I'm so glad I'll always have space to live...

....in your head.

On 2021-06-18 10:09 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote in
> news:saian6$pgg$5@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2021-06-18 7:27 a.m., Jay E. Morris wrote:
>>> On 6/18/2021 12:35 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-06-17 7:32 p.m., Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>>>> On 6/17/2021 11:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 17:42:17 -0400, Jonathan <LSA@UMich.edu>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Second Amendment is written in stone and it
>>>>>>> gives us the right to bear arms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is /not/ "written in stone". Prohibition was reversed,
>>>>>> and so could this one be, at least in theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it might be, not reversed, but amended in turn, to
>>>>>> "clarify" it, if that appears to be needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, of course, provided the votes can be found. Which seems
>>>>>> unlikely, I'll admit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Texas became the 21st Constitutional Carry State today.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>>>> starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott signs permitless
>>>>> carry bill into law”
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.texastribune.org/2021/06/16/texas-constitutional-c
>>>>> arry-greg-abbott/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> “Texans can carry handguns without a license or training
>>>>> starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed
>>>>> the permitless carry bill into law.”
>>>>>
>>>>> Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State.  I thought
>>>>> that this would never happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nraila.org/articles/20210525/alabama-texas-beats-a
>>>>> labama-to-become-21st-constitutional-carry-state
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lynn
>>>>
>>>> Let the carnage commence.
>>>
>>> People said that in 1995 when concealed carry passed and were
>>> shown to be full of shit. People said that in 2016 when the
>>> open carry bill passed and were shown to be full of shit.
>>> People said that in every state where permitless or
>>> constitutional carry passed and were shown to be full of shit.
>>>
>>> Welcome to the club.
>>
>> Ask yourself what is going to happen when there is an active
>> shooter, and then 6 other people take out their guns...
>>
>> ...and then the trigger-happy police show up.
>
> It happens regularly. The "news" media doesn't cover it because it
> generally ends up with the perp in custody (perhaps shot, but
> usually not) and no one else the worse for wear.

If it's not covered...

....how do you know it happens regularly?

Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote in
news:saim7e$rt3$1@dont-email.me:

> On 2021-06-18 9:59 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
> wrote:
>> "edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:4c5034ad-bc9b-4c2c-bee2-15f5b11ed8a8n@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>>> Alan Baker
>>>>> Lynn McGuire
>>>>>
>>>>> Texas is now the 21st Constitutional Carry State.
>>>>
>>>> Let the carnage commence.
>>>
>>> We’ve been hearing the same thing ever since Florida
>>> introduce “shall issue” concealed carry back in 1987, yet
>>> the U.S. murder rate continues to go down despite over 19
>>> million Americans now carrying a concealed handgun.
>>
>> Except in places like New York City, where Democrats are in
>> charge, and wipe their ass with the Contitution, especially the
>> 2nd Amendment.
>>
>> There's shootings are up 70% since the pandemic started.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Not that you'll ever offer proof of that...
>
It's in the news every day. And you have *never* admitted when
proof has been offered. You *always* lie, literally *every*
*single* *time*.

Go play your insane, childish games with somebody as stupid as you
are, retard. Your stance advocating for more violent crime makes
you, like Quaddie, literally a subhuman animal who should be put
down as a matter of public safety.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB