On 2021-06-28, novaste...@gmail.com <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/books-becoming-tv-and-streaming-series/
>
> Here are 125 books becoming movies and series,
> Some good SF in there. Beacon 23, Wool and Ringworld, and others.

Anything with Network: TBD should be discounted heavily.

I see that they cast a Jack Reacher who is only two inches short of his
plot-relevant height, rather than 10 inches short.

-dsr-

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 10:52:06 AM UTC-6, -dsr- wrote:
> On 2021-06-28, novaste...@gmail.com <novaste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/books-becoming-tv-and-streaming-series/
> >
> > Here are 125 books becoming movies and series,
> > Some good SF in there. Beacon 23, Wool and Ringworld, and others.
> Anything with Network: TBD should be discounted heavily.
>
> I see that they cast a Jack Reacher who is only two inches short of his
> plot-relevant height, rather than 10 inches short.
>
> -dsr-

You are probably right. I have been hearing about a Ringworld movie for 20 years

On 2021-06-29, novaste...@gmail.com <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 10:52:06 AM UTC-6, -dsr- wrote:
>> On 2021-06-28, novaste...@gmail.com <novaste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/books-becoming-tv-and-streaming-series/
>> >
>> > Here are 125 books becoming movies and series,
>> > Some good SF in there. Beacon 23, Wool and Ringworld, and others.
>> Anything with Network: TBD should be discounted heavily.
>>
>> I see that they cast a Jack Reacher who is only two inches short of his
>> plot-relevant height, rather than 10 inches short.
>>
>
> You are probably right. I have been hearing about a Ringworld movie for 20 years

On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of FOUNDATION will be
available on September 24th this year.

I will guess that covers the Seldon-on-Trantor arc, but it could be anything.

-dsr-

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 5:52:06 PM UTC-6, -dsr- wrote:
> On 2021-06-29, novaste...@gmail.com <novaste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 10:52:06 AM UTC-6, -dsr- wrote:
> >> On 2021-06-28, novaste...@gmail.com <novaste...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/books-becoming-tv-and-streaming-series/
> >> >
> >> > Here are 125 books becoming movies and series,
> >> > Some good SF in there. Beacon 23, Wool and Ringworld, and others.
> >> Anything with Network: TBD should be discounted heavily.
> >>
> >> I see that they cast a Jack Reacher who is only two inches short of his
> >> plot-relevant height, rather than 10 inches short.
> >>
> >
> > You are probably right. I have been hearing about a Ringworld movie for 20 years
> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of FOUNDATION will be
> available on September 24th this year.
>
> I will guess that covers the Seldon-on-Trantor arc, but it could be anything.
>
> -dsr-

Standard policy now is to give the first couple of episodes at once, then dribble them out at 1 per week.
Also it's on Apple+ not Amazon.

In article <slrnsdnaea.du2.dsr-usenet@randomstring.org>,
-dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> wrote:
>On 2021-06-29, novaste...@gmail.com <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 10:52:06 AM UTC-6, -dsr- wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-28, novaste...@gmail.com <novaste...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/books-becoming-tv-and-streaming-series/
>>> >
>>> > Here are 125 books becoming movies and series,
>>> > Some good SF in there. Beacon 23, Wool and Ringworld, and others.
>>> Anything with Network: TBD should be discounted heavily.
>>>
>>> I see that they cast a Jack Reacher who is only two inches short of his
>>> plot-relevant height, rather than 10 inches short.
>>>
>>
>> You are probably right. I have been hearing about a Ringworld movie
>for 20 years
>
>On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of FOUNDATION will be
>available on September 24th this year.
>
>I will guess that covers the Seldon-on-Trantor arc, but it could be anything.
>

I believe they've cast someone fairly well-known as Seldon. They
might string his part of the story further along than Asimov did.

And then, of course, they have to film his various taped
appearances.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On 6/29/2021 9:27 AM, -dsr- wrote:
> On 2021-06-28, novaste...@gmail.com <novasteve14099@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/books-becoming-tv-and-streaming-series/
>>
>> Here are 125 books becoming movies and series,
>> Some good SF in there. Beacon 23, Wool and Ringworld, and others.
>
> Anything with Network: TBD should be discounted heavily.
>
Anything that isn't "in the can" or actively filming currently should be
discounted completely.

--
Troll, troll, troll your post gently down the thread
Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.

begin fnord
-dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> writes:

> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of FOUNDATION will be
> available on September 24th this year.

An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
the project.

Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.

--
Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press

In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>begin fnord
>-dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> writes:
>
>> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of FOUNDATION will be
>> available on September 24th this year.
>
>An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
>the project.
>
>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.

Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)

And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qvIzuM.M7J@kithrup.com:

> In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>begin fnord
>>-dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> writes:
>>
>>> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>>> FOUNDATION will be available on September 24th this year.
>>
>>An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to
>>do with the project.
>>
>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women
>>doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>
> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human
> species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord
> Dorwin.)

And in science fiction, the figure always looks like the present. And
in the 40s, a woman's place was in the kitchen and everybody smoked.

The complaints are that it's not *just* like the books. It doesn't
matter *how* it's different, only *that* it is, for people to
complain. This is routine when adapting existing written works of any
kind to a different medium.

(And as often as not, the stuff people complain about is either
irrelevant to the actual story, or stuff that would make the move/TV
show suck because movies and TV are not books.)

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

begin fnord
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:

> In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>
>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>
> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)

I'm not saying I understand it.

> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.

Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in the series
is apparently some sort of war crime.

--
Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
> >begin fnord
> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
> >
> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of FOUNDATION will be
> >> available on September 24th this year.
> >
> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
> >the project.
> >
> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
> >things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.

Asimov would probably be happy with that.

> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>
> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.

In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the scenes but don't show up
much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on Kalgan who poses as a
ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem Palver's wife (enough in the background
that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation. Both could have expanded
roles in a movie.

William Hyde

In article <m2tulfgq15.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>begin fnord
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>
>> In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>>things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>>
>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
>> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>
>I'm not saying I understand it.
>
>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>
>Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in the series
>is apparently some sort of war crime.
>
Bah.

But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2_, with
a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot filled
by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.

_____
*From men, of course.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <qvJ3u6.qLy@kithrup.com>,
Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <m2tulfgq15.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>begin fnord
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>
>>> In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>>>things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>>>
>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
>>> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>
>>I'm not saying I understand it.
>>
>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>
>>Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in the series
>>is apparently some sort of war crime.
>>
>Bah.
>
>But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2016_, with
>a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot filled
>by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.

(Addendum: apparently _Ghostbusters 2_ was a different film, with
the same cast of frat-boys as the first one.
>
>_____
>*From men, of course.
>
Oh, yes: remember the film version of _The Andromeda Strain_,
with Kate Reid playing the scientist with attitude and epilepsy?
In the book, all the scientists were men. I don't know who made
the decision to cast Reid instead of yet more male person, but
Reid and David Wayne saved that movie.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:34:38 PM UTC-4, Steve Coltrin wrote:
> begin fnord

[snip]

> Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in the series
> is apparently some sort of war crime.

It's worse than that. It has become a cliche.

--
Kevin R

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:18:01 -0700, William Hyde wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>> >begin fnord -dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>> >
>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>> >> FOUNDATION will be available on September 24th this year.
>> >
>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
>> >the project.
>> >
>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>> >things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>
> Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>
>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take place in
>> a future so distant that the origin of the human species is a matter of
>> fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>
>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>
> In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the scenes
> but don't show up much in the text, there's the second foundation agent
> on Kalgan who poses as a ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem
> Palver's wife (enough in the background that I can't recall her name)
> who is also second foundation. Both could have expanded roles in a
> movie.
>
> William Hyde

That would require thought and some desire to stay true to the story.
Much easier to gender and race swap characters at random until you have
the perfect mix for twitter of the current five minutes. And
"improve"(piss on) the story to bring it up to current day standards(when
the people improving it are talentless hacks who will never produce
anything that anyone will remember 10 years from now not to mention 70+).

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qvJ3u6.qLy@kithrup.com:

> In article <m2tulfgq15.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>begin fnord
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>
>>> In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women
>>>>doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is
>>>>smoking.
>>>
>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they
>>> take place in a future so distant that the origin of the human
>>> species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord
>>> Dorwin.)
>>
>>I'm not saying I understand it.
>>
>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>
>>Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in
>>the series is apparently some sort of war crime.
>>
> Bah.
>
> But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2_,
> with a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot
> filled by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.
>
I suspect that, where the fans are concerned, it's not so much "but
gurls has cooties" as it is "it's different than the original that
is the mostest bested classic movie ever made so it has to suck."
You'd see the same sort of reaction from mostly the same people if
you remade a class that originally starred women with men in the
same roles. If such things ever happened.

How about recasting Wonder Woman as a man? Prince Dane of the all
male island of something-mumble, and so on. You *really* think
there wouldn't be the same (only more so) reaction to a Wonder Man
movie?

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qvJ48F.r6K@kithrup.com:

> In article <qvJ3u6.qLy@kithrup.com>,
> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <m2tulfgq15.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>begin fnord
>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>>
>>>> In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>>> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show
>>>>>women doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is
>>>>>smoking.
>>>>
>>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they
>>>> take place in a future so distant that the origin of the
>>>> human species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask
>>>> Lord Dorwin.)
>>>
>>>I'm not saying I understand it.
>>>
>>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>
>>>Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in
>>>the series is apparently some sort of war crime.
>>>
>>Bah.
>>
>>But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2016_,
>>with a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot
>>filled by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.
>
> (Addendum: apparently _Ghostbusters 2_ was a different film,
> with the same cast of frat-boys as the first one.

Yeah, it was just so bad most people drill holes in their brains to
forget seeing it. You're thinking of the recent remake, which was
not a sequel.
>>
>>_____
>>*From men, of course.
>>
> Oh, yes: remember the film version of _The Andromeda Strain_,
> with Kate Reid playing the scientist with attitude and epilepsy?
> In the book, all the scientists were men. I don't know who made
> the decision to cast Reid instead of yet more male person, but
> Reid and David Wayne saved that movie.
>
The book was a lot better, though.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote in
news:ec52822a-02d7-47e4-8d12-ee5ff4d4d49dn@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:34:38 PM UTC-4, Steve Coltrin
> wrote:
>> begin fnord
>
> [snip]
>
>> Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in
>> the series is apparently some sort of war crime.
>
> It's worse than that. It has become a cliche.
>
I honestly believe the elevator pitch for the Battlestar Galactica
series was "We'll make everything in the exact opposite of the
original, and give half the characters tits."

On the other hand, I believe it still has the highest ratings of any
series in the history of the network. Which is how it *got* to be the
cliche. (Though Starget blazed the trail.)

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

In article <XnsAD5985E3A552Ataustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:qvJ48F.r6K@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <qvJ3u6.qLy@kithrup.com>,
>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2016_,
>>>with a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot
>>>filled by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.
>>
>> (Addendum: apparently _Ghostbusters 2_ was a different film,
>> with the same cast of frat-boys as the first one.
>
>Yeah, it was just so bad most people drill holes in their brains to
>forget seeing it. You're thinking of the recent remake, which was
>not a sequel.

OK, I sit corrected. I never saw the other one.
>>>
>>>_____
>>>*From men, of course.
>>>
>> Oh, yes: remember the film version of _The Andromeda Strain_,
>> with Kate Reid playing the scientist with attitude and epilepsy?
>> In the book, all the scientists were men. I don't know who made
>> the decision to cast Reid instead of yet more male person, but
>> Reid and David Wayne saved that movie.
>>
>The book was a lot better, though.
>

Well, I disagree. I still have the book somewhere about, I think,
but haven't read it in years. I have the movie on DVD, and watch
it about once a year. IMNSHO the movie was better.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <e1841106-62b4-4dab-8d5e-b56836e40608n@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>> >begin fnord
>> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>> >
>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>FOUNDATION will be
>> >> available on September 24th this year.
>> >
>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
>> >the project.
>> >
>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>> >things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>
>Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>
>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
>> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>
>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>
>In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the scenes
>but don't show up
>much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on Kalgan who poses as a
>ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem Palver's wife (enough in
>the background
>that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation. Both could
>have expanded
>roles in a movie.

So they well might.

It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter subscribes
to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it launches, to see
if I want to save my nickels and dimes and get the DVDs.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qvJE3E.10Iw@kithrup.com:

> In article <XnsAD5985E3A552Ataustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:qvJ48F.r6K@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article <qvJ3u6.qLy@kithrup.com>,
>>> Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters
>>>>2016_, with a mostly female cast, with the
>>>>dumb-blonde-secretary slot filled by the cute, blond, and
>>>>definitely male Chris Hemsworth.
>>>
>>> (Addendum: apparently _Ghostbusters 2_ was a different film,
>>> with the same cast of frat-boys as the first one.
>>
>>Yeah, it was just so bad most people drill holes in their brains
>>to forget seeing it. You're thinking of the recent remake, which
>>was not a sequel.
>
> OK, I sit corrected. I never saw the other one.

Lucky you.

>>>>
>>>>_____
>>>>*From men, of course.
>>>>
>>> Oh, yes: remember the film version of _The Andromeda Strain_,
>>> with Kate Reid playing the scientist with attitude and
>>> epilepsy? In the book, all the scientists were men. I don't
>>> know who made the decision to cast Reid instead of yet more
>>> male person, but Reid and David Wayne saved that movie.
>>>
>>The book was a lot better, though.
>>
>
> Well, I disagree. I still have the book somewhere about, I
> think, but haven't read it in years. I have the movie on DVD,
> and watch it about once a year. IMNSHO the movie was better.
>
Heretic. (Or perhaps tastes vary. One or the other.)

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qvJE86.10nM@kithrup.com:

> In article
> <e1841106-62b4-4dab-8d5e-b56836e40608n@googlegroups.com>,
> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt
>>wrote:
>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>> >begin fnord
>>> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>> >
>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>>FOUNDATION will be
>>> >> available on September 24th this year.
>>> >
>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all
>>> >to do with the project.
>>> >
>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show
>>> >women doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is
>>> >smoking.
>>
>>Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>
>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human
>>> species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord
>>> Dorwin.)
>>>
>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>
>>In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the
>>scenes but don't show up
>>much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on Kalgan
>>who poses as a ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem
>>Palver's wife (enough in the background
>>that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation.
>>Both could have expanded
>>roles in a movie.
>
> So they well might.
>
> It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter subscribes
> to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it launches, to
> see if I want to save my nickels and dimes and get the DVDs.
>
Does Apple release DVDs of their original productions? Amazon has a
habit of not always doing so (because then you won't subscribe to
Prime).

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 4:08:34 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
> news:qvJ3u...@kithrup.com:
> > In article <m2tulfg...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
> > Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
> >>begin fnord
> >>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
> >>
> >>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
> >>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women
> >>>>doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is
> >>>>smoking.
> >>>
> >>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they
> >>> take place in a future so distant that the origin of the human
> >>> species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord
> >>> Dorwin.)
> >>
> >>I'm not saying I understand it.
> >>
> >>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
> >>
> >>Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in
> >>the series is apparently some sort of war crime.
> >>
> > Bah.
> >
> > But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2_,
> > with a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot
> > filled by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.
> >
> I suspect that, where the fans are concerned, it's not so much "but
> gurls has cooties" as it is "it's different than the original that
> is the mostest bested classic movie ever made so it has to suck."
> You'd see the same sort of reaction from mostly the same people if
> you remade a class that originally starred women with men in the
> same roles. If such things ever happened.
>
> How about recasting Wonder Woman as a man? Prince Dane of the all
> male island of something-mumble, and so on. You *really* think
> there wouldn't be the same (only more so) reaction to a Wonder Man
> movie?

Have you been reading the comics' fan sites?

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-11

A whole "gender-flipped" parallel world - 15
years ago.

https://www.comics.org/issue/278256/cover/4/

https://www.comics.org/issue/395161/cover/4/

https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-fight-counterpart-multiverse-wonder-man/

Take it back to 1980. I bought this at the comic shop.

https://www.comics.org/issue/34518/cover/4/ [SUPERMAN #349]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenderFlip

Sometimes a "gender-flip" adds something. My favorite is
Roz Russell as Hildy Johnson, turning "The Front Page" into
"His Girl Friday."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Girl_Friday

--
Kevin R

Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote in
news:a1bc43c3-ed22-4bd4-9af8-3e0fc61508fcn@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 4:08:34 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>> news:qvJ3u...@kithrup.com:
>> > In article <m2tulfg...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>> > Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>> >>begin fnord
>> >>djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>> >>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show
>> >>>>women doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody
>> >>>>is smoking.
>> >>>
>> >>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they
>> >>> take place in a future so distant that the origin of the
>> >>> human species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask
>> >>> Lord Dorwin.)
>> >>
>> >>I'm not saying I understand it.
>> >>
>> >>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter
>> >>> Arkady.
>> >>
>> >>Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in
>> >>the series is apparently some sort of war crime.
>> >>
>> > Bah.
>> >
>> > But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2_,
>> > with a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary
>> > slot filled by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris
>> > Hemsworth.
>> >
>> I suspect that, where the fans are concerned, it's not so much
>> "but gurls has cooties" as it is "it's different than the
>> original that is the mostest bested classic movie ever made so
>> it has to suck." You'd see the same sort of reaction from
>> mostly the same people if you remade a class that originally
>> starred women with men in the same roles. If such things ever
>> happened.
>>
>> How about recasting Wonder Woman as a man? Prince Dane of the
>> all male island of something-mumble, and so on. You *really*
>> think there wouldn't be the same (only more so) reaction to a
>> Wonder Man movie?
>
> Have you been reading the comics' fan sites?
>
> https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-11
>
> A whole "gender-flipped" parallel world - 15
> years ago.
>
> https://www.comics.org/issue/278256/cover/4/
>
> https://www.comics.org/issue/395161/cover/4/
>
> https://www.cbr.com/wonder-woman-fight-counterpart-multiverse-won
> der-man/
>
> Take it back to 1980. I bought this at the comic shop.
>
> https://www.comics.org/issue/34518/cover/4/ [SUPERMAN #349]
>
> https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenderFlip
>
> Sometimes a "gender-flip" adds something. My favorite is
> Roz Russell as Hildy Johnson, turning "The Front Page" into
> "His Girl Friday."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Girl_Friday
>
That's not excatly a blockbuster movie.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:52:54 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <e1841106-62b4-4dab-8d5e-b56836e40608n@googlegroups.com>,
>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>> >begin fnord
>>> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>> >
>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>>FOUNDATION will be
>>> >> available on September 24th this year.
>>> >
>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
>>> >the project.
>>> >
>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>> >things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>>
>>Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>
>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
>>> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>>
>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>
>>In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the scenes
>>but don't show up
>>much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on Kalgan who poses as a
>>ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem Palver's wife (enough in
>>the background
>>that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation. Both could
>>have expanded
>>roles in a movie.
>
>So they well might.
>
>It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter subscribes
>to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it launches, to see
>if I want to save my nickels and dimes and get the DVDs.

There's not a lot on Apple+ (literally--it seems to be a showcase
service with very limited content) and there's a free trial--you can
get the trial and binge just about everything that's on it before the
trial expires.