On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 7:47:05 PM UTC-4, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Kevrob <kev...@my-deja.com> wrote in
> news:a1bc43c3-ed22-4bd4...@googlegroups.com:

[snip]

> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/His_Girl_Friday
> >
> That's not excatly a blockbuster movie.
> --

Pretty high up on the list of classic Hollywood comedies,
{screwball category} though.

--
Kevin R

In article <XnsAD59A60498037taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:qvJE86.10nM@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article
>> <e1841106-62b4-4dab-8d5e-b56836e40608n@googlegroups.com>,
>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt
>>>wrote:
>>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>> >begin fnord
>>>> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>>>FOUNDATION will be
>>>> >> available on September 24th this year.
>>>> >
>>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all
>>>> >to do with the project.
>>>> >
>>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show
>>>> >women doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is
>>>> >smoking.
>>>
>>>Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>>
>>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>>>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human
>>>> species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord
>>>> Dorwin.)
>>>>
>>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>
>>>In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the
>>>scenes but don't show up
>>>much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on Kalgan
>>>who poses as a ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem
>>>Palver's wife (enough in the background
>>>that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation.
>>>Both could have expanded
>>>roles in a movie.
>>
>> So they well might.
>>
>> It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter subscribes
>> to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it launches, to
>> see if I want to save my nickels and dimes and get the DVDs.
>>
>Does Apple release DVDs of their original productions?

Damfino. I've described the time I had a secretarial job where
everyone in the lab used Macs, and I had to too. If by any
chance Apple did release DVDs, they'd likely be some format I
couldn't play.

That, if you please, was me distrusting Apple.

>Amazon has a
>habit of not always doing so (because then you won't subscribe to
>Prime).

Well, I do subscribe to Prime, because I consider (for example)
getting cat food delivered on time worth it. YM almost certainly
will V.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <p6cqdg9shvrvk6u0eau9se38vtnl9qncmu@4ax.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 22:52:54 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>Heydt) wrote:
>
>>In article <e1841106-62b4-4dab-8d5e-b56836e40608n@googlegroups.com>,
>>William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>> >begin fnord
>>>> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>>>FOUNDATION will be
>>>> >> available on September 24th this year.
>>>> >
>>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
>>>> >the project.
>>>> >
>>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>>> >things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>>>
>>>Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>>
>>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>>>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
>>>> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>>>
>>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>
>>>In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the scenes
>>>but don't show up
>>>much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on Kalgan who
>poses as a
>>>ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem Palver's wife (enough in
>>>the background
>>>that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation. Both could
>>>have expanded
>>>roles in a movie.
>>
>>So they well might.
>>
>>It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter subscribes
>>to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it launches, to see
>>if I want to save my nickels and dimes and get the DVDs.
>
>There's not a lot on Apple+ (literally--it seems to be a showcase
>service with very limited content) and there's a free trial--you can
>get the trial and binge just about everything that's on it before the
>trial expires.

Hmmmmm.

I might just try that. Maybe. Thanks!

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Wednesday, 30 June 2021 at 16:54:45 UTC+1, Steve Coltrin wrote:
> begin fnord
> -dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>
> > On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of FOUNDATION will be
> > available on September 24th this year.
> An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
> the project.
>
> Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
> things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.

To check: who is complaining, and do they possibly
think that they are being ironic?

I mean, this is - at first - 1940s science fiction,
a great work by one of the best authors of the time,
so I expect that someone as dumb as you describe
has never heard of it.

As for smoking... probably most 1940s writers
were kippered up to their elbows, but stories of
the distant future either regarded the human body
as a secular temple with sacred flame not required,
or represented new drugs with no connection to
present-day ones except for superiority. What
people actually consume in the Foundation, I don't
remember, but after all... it's a library!...

> Steve Coltrin
> > Dorothy J Heydt
> >
> > And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>
> Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in the series
> is apparently some sort of war crime.

It's a valid complaint, as these remakes that change the cast into women
or minorities are presented as being somehow "empowering" when they’re
actually all about attacking and tearing down White men and Western
civilization.

The result is they only further the belief that women and minorities can't
create their own art and have to steal it from White men.

begin fnord
djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:

> It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter subscribes
> to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it launches, to see
> if I want to save my nickels and dimes and get the DVDs.

I wouldn't give good odds of it ever showing up on DVD.

While I'm well aware money doesn't grow on trees, you might also be
interested in Apple+' _For All Mankind_, whose opening scenes take place
on June 26, 1969, as the world watches Alexei Leonov take the first
steps on the Moon...

--
Steve Coltrin spcoltri@omcl.org Google Groups killfiled here
"A group known as the League of Human Dignity helped arrange for Deuel
to be driven to a local livestock scale, where he could be weighed."
- Associated Press

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qvJqtD.1Bs4@kithrup.com:

> In article <XnsAD59A60498037taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:qvJE86.10nM@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article
>>> <e1841106-62b4-4dab-8d5e-b56836e40608n@googlegroups.com>,
>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J
>>>>Heydt wrote:
>>>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>>> >begin fnord
>>>>> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes
>>>>> >> of
>>>>FOUNDATION will be
>>>>> >> available on September 24th this year.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all
>>>>> >to do with the project.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show
>>>>> >women doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody
>>>>> >is smoking.
>>>>
>>>>Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>>>
>>>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they
>>>>> take place in a future so distant that the origin of the
>>>>> human species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask
>>>>> Lord Dorwin.)
>>>>>
>>>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>>
>>>>In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the
>>>>scenes but don't show up
>>>>much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on
>>>>Kalgan who poses as a ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and
>>>>Preem Palver's wife (enough in the background
>>>>that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation.
>>>>Both could have expanded
>>>>roles in a movie.
>>>
>>> So they well might.
>>>
>>> It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter
>>> subscribes to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it
>>> launches, to see if I want to save my nickels and dimes and
>>> get the DVDs.
>>>
>>Does Apple release DVDs of their original productions?
>
> Damfino. I've described the time I had a secretarial job where
> everyone in the lab used Macs, and I had to too. If by any
> chance Apple did release DVDs, they'd likely be some format I
> couldn't play.

If they *callI it a DVD, it will play. Otherwise, they'd be in
violation of the licensing agreement on the trademarks, and Apple
has very deep pockets.

On the other hand, they're far more likely to release is in Blue
Ray. A lot of stuff doesn't actually get DVD releases any more.
>
> That, if you please, was me distrusting Apple.

And not without reasons. They're very protective of their walled
garden. But they still have to abide by contractual obligations.
>
>>Amazon has a
>>habit of not always doing so (because then you won't subscribe
>>to Prime).
>
> Well, I do subscribe to Prime, because I consider (for example)
> getting cat food delivered on time worth it. YM almost
> certainly will V.
>
I live across the street from a grocery store. :) (There's nothing
I need from Amazon that I need that quickly without paying extra
for fast delivery. Plus, where I live, normal delivery is very,
very quick anyway. And in a real pinch, I could order through the
work account, which doesn't have Prime but has the same benefits
regarding fast, free delivery. Just makes payment a bit more
complicated.)

Amazon, BTW, is every bit as much an evil empire as as Apple, if
not more so. Their latest bad PR is because they won't do business
with small supplies unless you sell them shares of your company at
below market rates.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0d10ac3b-cf07-4cb4-9ed3-533b29d5d171n@googlegroups.com:

>> Steve Coltrin
>> > Dorothy J Heydt
>> >
>> > And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>
>> Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in
>> the series
>
>> is apparently some sort of war crime.
>
> It's a valid complaint, as these remakes that change the cast
> into women or minorities are presented as being somehow
> "empowering" when they’re actually all about attacking and
> tearing down White men and Western civilization.

What it' about is making money. If you make a movie that offends a
significant part of the potential audience, you won't get to make
any more movies.

Movies (like science fiction) reflect the society they're made for,
not the other way around. And right now, you're in a minority. How
small a minority is hard to say, but definition a minority of the
movie going public, at least.
>
> The result is they only further the belief that women and
> minorities can't create their own art and have to steal it from
> White men.
>
Shiny side in, or out? A tough question. Shiny side out reflects
the orbital tracking satellites, but shiny side in absorbs the mind
control lasers.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

In article <m2tulem51i.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>begin fnord
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>
>> It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter subscribes
>> to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it launches, to see
>> if I want to save my nickels and dimes and get the DVDs.
>
>I wouldn't give good odds of it ever showing up on DVD.

Well, then, I'm saving some money by not buying it.

>While I'm well aware money doesn't grow on trees, you might also be
>interested in Apple+' _For All Mankind_, whose opening scenes take place
>on June 26, 1969, as the world watches Alexei Leonov take the first
>steps on the Moon...

No, thanks.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 11:16:43 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:qvIzuM.M7J@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>begin fnord
>>>-dsr- <dsr-usenet@randomstring.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>>>> FOUNDATION will be available on September 24th this year.
>>>
>>>An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to
>>>do with the project.
>>>
>>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women
>>>doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>>
>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human
>> species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord
>> Dorwin.)
>
>And in science fiction, the figure always looks like the present. And
>in the 40s, a woman's place was in the kitchen and everybody smoked.
>
>The complaints are that it's not *just* like the books. It doesn't
>matter *how* it's different, only *that* it is, for people to
>complain. This is routine when adapting existing written works of any
>kind to a different medium.

Indeed it is.

This is because they haven't discovered the First Rule of Adaptations:

an Adaptation is /not/ a Transcription

and so are looking for a Transcription, not an Adaptation.

>(And as often as not, the stuff people complain about is either
>irrelevant to the actual story, or stuff that would make the move/TV
>show suck because movies and TV are not books.)

Indeed.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:17:03 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <qvJ3u6.qLy@kithrup.com>,
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>>In article <m2tulfgq15.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>begin fnord
>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) writes:
>>>
>>>> In article <m2tulfs5z7.fsf@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>>> Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>>>>things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>>>>
>>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>>>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
>>>> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>>
>>>I'm not saying I understand it.
>>>
>>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>
>>>Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in the series
>>>is apparently some sort of war crime.
>>>
>>Bah.
>>
>>But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2016_, with
>>a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot filled
>>by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.
>
>(Addendum: apparently _Ghostbusters 2_ was a different film, with
>the same cast of frat-boys as the first one.

Yes, /Ghostbusters 2/ was a sequel.

In which the "dumb blond" is revealed to be not "dumb" at all, albeit
a bit strange.

But I thought the main complaint was that the remake was an R-rated
raunch fest instead of a PG-rated comedy. But perhaps the reviews I
read were a bit ... biased.

Note: I didn't see the remake because of the reviews. /Scary Movie/
was enough of an R-rated raunch fest for me.

>>
>>_____
>>*From men, of course.
>>
>Oh, yes: remember the film version of _The Andromeda Strain_,
>with Kate Reid playing the scientist with attitude and epilepsy?
>In the book, all the scientists were men. I don't know who made
>the decision to cast Reid instead of yet more male person, but
>Reid and David Wayne saved that movie.

Somehow, I think the movie would have worked with an all-male cast. No
need for it to be "saved". The selling point (as it were) was the
frantic internal tower climb at the end.

As the trailer said, "Rated G, but may be too /intense/ for younger
children". This while show a direct laser hit to the cheek, IIRC.

That said, Kate Reid certainly did add value to the story.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 04:57:39 -0700 (PDT), "edstas...@gmail.com"
<edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Steve Coltrin
>> > Dorothy J Heydt
>> >
>> > And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>
>> Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in the series
>> is apparently some sort of war crime.
>
>It's a valid complaint, as these remakes that change the cast into women
>or minorities are presented as being somehow "empowering" when they’re
>actually all about attacking and tearing down White men and Western
>civilization.
>
>The result is they only further the belief that women and minorities can't
>create their own art and have to steal it from White men.

Thanks for your insight into what the Alt-Right is thinking.

Always nice to have another data-point.

Even for forms of insanity.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."

In article <XnsAD5A5912432E5taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>"edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:0d10ac3b-cf07-4cb4-9ed3-533b29d5d171n@googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in
>>> the series
>>
>>> is apparently some sort of war crime.
>>
>> It's a valid complaint, as these remakes that change the cast
>> into women or minorities are presented as being somehow
>> "empowering" when they’re actually all about attacking and
>> tearing down White men and Western civilization.
>
>What it's about is making money. If you make a movie that offends a
>significant part of the potential audience, you won't get to make
>any more movies.

Ayup. Remember the ruckus when _Doctor Strange_ came out, and
the Ancient One was portrayed as Irish or something instead of
Tibetan? That was because if it showed even an ersatz Tibetan in
a positive role, they'd never sell the movie in China.

(Also a female instead of a male, but that's irrelevant; Tilda
Swinton can portray any gender she wants to, and has done.)
>
>> The result is they only further the belief that women and
>> minorities can't create their own art and have to steal it from
>> White men.
>>
>Shiny side in, or out? A tough question. Shiny side out reflects
>the orbital tracking satellites, but shiny side in absorbs the mind
>control lasers.

A hit, a palpable hit.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

In article <XnsAD5A58301AC12taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>news:qvJqtD.1Bs4@kithrup.com:
>
>> In article <XnsAD59A60498037taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>news:qvJE86.10nM@kithrup.com:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> <e1841106-62b4-4dab-8d5e-b56836e40608n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J
>>>>>Heydt wrote:
>>>>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>>>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >begin fnord
>>>>>> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes
>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>FOUNDATION will be
>>>>>> >> available on September 24th this year.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all
>>>>>> >to do with the project.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show
>>>>>> >women doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody
>>>>>> >is smoking.
>>>>>
>>>>>Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they
>>>>>> take place in a future so distant that the origin of the
>>>>>> human species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask
>>>>>> Lord Dorwin.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the
>>>>>scenes but don't show up
>>>>>much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on
>>>>>Kalgan who poses as a ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and
>>>>>Preem Palver's wife (enough in the background
>>>>>that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation.
>>>>>Both could have expanded
>>>>>roles in a movie.
>>>>
>>>> So they well might.
>>>>
>>>> It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter
>>>> subscribes to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it
>>>> launches, to see if I want to save my nickels and dimes and
>>>> get the DVDs.
>>>>
>>>Does Apple release DVDs of their original productions?
>>
>> Damfino. I've described the time I had a secretarial job where
>> everyone in the lab used Macs, and I had to too. If by any
>> chance Apple did release DVDs, they'd likely be some format I
>> couldn't play.
>
>If they *callI it a DVD, it will play. Otherwise, they'd be in
>violation of the licensing agreement on the trademarks, and Apple
>has very deep pockets.
>
>On the other hand, they're far more likely to release is in Blue
>Ray. A lot of stuff doesn't actually get DVD releases any more.
>>
>> That, if you please, was me distrusting Apple.
>
>And not without reasons. They're very protective of their walled
>garden. But they still have to abide by contractual obligations.
>>
>>>Amazon has a
>>>habit of not always doing so (because then you won't subscribe
>>>to Prime).
>>
>> Well, I do subscribe to Prime, because I consider (for example)
>> getting cat food delivered on time worth it. YM almost
>> certainly will V.
>>
>I live across the street from a grocery store. :) (There's nothing
>I need from Amazon that I need that quickly without paying extra
>for fast delivery. Plus, where I live, normal delivery is very,
>very quick anyway. And in a real pinch, I could order through the
>work account, which doesn't have Prime but has the same benefits
>regarding fast, free delivery. Just makes payment a bit more
>complicated.)

Well, that's you. The nearest place that sells cat food is a Petco
in a shopping mall several miles away; I don't drive; and
currently I can't even walk without something to hold onto. If I
need to buy something, it's Amazon or else persuade Hal to go out
and get it for me, when he'd rather be sitting in front of his
computer watching live videos of the current eruption in Iceland.

We do what we can, and cope with what we can't.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> writes:
>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:18:01 -0700, William Hyde wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>> >begin fnord -dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>> >
>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>>> >> FOUNDATION will be available on September 24th this year.
>>> >
>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do with
>>> >the project.
>>> >
>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>> >things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>>
>> Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>
>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take place in
>>> a future so distant that the origin of the human species is a matter of
>>> fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>>
>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>
>> In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the scenes
>> but don't show up much in the text, there's the second foundation agent
>> on Kalgan who poses as a ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem
>> Palver's wife (enough in the background that I can't recall her name)
>> who is also second foundation. Both could have expanded roles in a
>> movie.
>>
>> William Hyde
>
>That would require thought and some desire to stay true to the story.
>Much easier to gender and race swap characters at random until you have
>the perfect mix for twitter of the current five minutes. And
>"improve"(piss on) the story to bring it up to current day standards(when
>the people improving it are talentless hacks who will never produce
>anything that anyone will remember 10 years from now not to mention 70+).

How many people in the world have actually read _Foundation_ et alia?

The people funding the series hope for a much larger audience. Much, much
larger, or they're just throwing their money away; if they piss off a few
hard-core science fiction fans in the process of making loads of money,
they'll cry all the way to the bank.

Sad, but true.

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in

>> But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2016[ed.]_,
>> with a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot
>> filled by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.
>>
>I suspect that, where the fans are concerned, it's not so much "but
>gurls has cooties" as it is "it's different than the original that
>is the mostest bested classic movie ever made so it has to suck."
>You'd see the same sort of reaction from mostly the same people if
>you remade a class that originally starred women with men in the
>same roles. If such things ever happened.
>
>How about recasting Wonder Woman as a man? Prince Dane of the all
>male island of something-mumble, and so on. You *really* think
>there wouldn't be the same (only more so) reaction to a Wonder Man
>movie?

I'm not sure I get the attraction of "Wonder Woman" (aside from the
eye-candy). The 30 minutes of "Wonder Woman 1984" I caught on TV
last week was _bad_. Bad acting, bad writing. Almost down to the
level of Batman vs. Superman bad.

On 30/06/2021 14.18, William Hyde wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:

(potential film of _Fouondation_)

>>> Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>> things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>
> Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>
>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take
>> place in a future so distant that the origin of the human species
>> is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>
>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>
> In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the scenes but don't show up
> much in the text,

Actually, in the five stories that compose _Foundation_ proper, only in
"The Merchant Princes" (o/t "The Big and the Little") are any women at
all even mentioned, the Comdorra and one of her serving girls. Neither
of them is given a name.

> there's the second foundation agent on Kalgan who poses as a
> ditzy courtesan but is anything but, and Preem Palver's wife (enough in the background
> that I can't recall her name)

Referred to only as "Mamma".

> who is also second foundation.

As is Palver himself.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Indians scattered on dawn's highway bleeding;
Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile eggshell mind.

In article <RRnDI.6080$Tf7.4158@fx26.iad>,
Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> writes:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>
>>> But it's in keeping with the outcry* about _Ghostbusters 2016[ed.]_,
>>> with a mostly female cast, with the dumb-blonde-secretary slot
>>> filled by the cute, blond, and definitely male Chris Hemsworth.
>>>
>>I suspect that, where the fans are concerned, it's not so much "but
>>gurls has cooties" as it is "it's different than the original that
>>is the mostest bested classic movie ever made so it has to suck."
>>You'd see the same sort of reaction from mostly the same people if
>>you remade a class that originally starred women with men in the
>>same roles. If such things ever happened.
>>
>>How about recasting Wonder Woman as a man? Prince Dane of the all
>>male island of something-mumble, and so on. You *really* think
>>there wouldn't be the same (only more so) reaction to a Wonder Man
>>movie?
>
>I'm not sure I get the attraction of "Wonder Woman" (aside from the
>eye-candy). The 30 minutes of "Wonder Woman 1984" I caught on TV
>last week was _bad_. Bad acting, bad writing. Almost down to the
>level of Batman vs. Superman bad.

You are aware that there are 80 years of Wonder Woman comics, a number
of good animated takes, a tv series and a first modern movie? Not all
were stellar by any means, but I don't think anyone would say, "I saw
30 minutes of Superman IV, and I don't see the attraction."
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

On 01/07/2021 06.40, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Wednesday, 30 June 2021 at 16:54:45 UTC+1, Steve Coltrin wrote:

> To check: who is complaining, and do they possibly
> think that they are being ironic?
>
> I mean, this is - at first - 1940s science fiction,
> a great work by one of the best authors of the time,
> so I expect that someone as dumb as you describe
> has never heard of it.
>
> As for smoking... probably most 1940s writers
> were kippered up to their elbows,

dead fish? huh?

> but stories of
> the distant future either regarded the human body
> as a secular temple with sacred flame not required,
> or represented new drugs with no connection to
> present-day ones except for superiority. What
> people actually consume in the Foundation, I don't
> remember,

Although Asimov was a non-smoker, he portrayed Salvor Hardin
as being an enthusiastic cigar smoker.

> but after all... it's a library!...

What is? Not the Foundation. That was (briefly) camoflaged
as a group chartered with writing an Encyclopedia.

A library (the big one on Trantor) is portrayed in two of the
nine original stories.

--
Michael F. Stemper
Galatians 3:28

In article <sbl3e7$m6e$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 01/07/2021 06.40, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 30 June 2021 at 16:54:45 UTC+1, Steve Coltrin wrote:
>
>> To check: who is complaining, and do they possibly
>> think that they are being ironic?
>>
>> I mean, this is - at first - 1940s science fiction,
>> a great work by one of the best authors of the time,
>> so I expect that someone as dumb as you describe
>> has never heard of it.
>>
>> As for smoking... probably most 1940s writers
>> were kippered up to their elbows,
>
>dead fish? huh?

Kippers are herring that have been preserved by smoking. I never
saw "kippered up" as an adjectival phrase before, but then I'm a
Yank. It was easy enough to decipher.
>

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 18:29:24 +0000, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> Magewolf <Magewolf@nc.rr.com> writes:
>>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:18:01 -0700, William Hyde wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>> >begin fnord -dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes of
>>>> >> FOUNDATION will be available on September 24th this year.
>>>> >
>>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck all to do
>>>> >with the project.
>>>> >
>>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show women doing
>>>> >things other than fetching coffee, and nobody is smoking.
>>>
>>> Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>>
>>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they take place
>>>> in a future so distant that the origin of the human species is a
>>>> matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask Lord Dorwin.)
>>>>
>>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>
>>> In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind the scenes
>>> but don't show up much in the text, there's the second foundation
>>> agent on Kalgan who poses as a ditzy courtesan but is anything but,
>>> and Preem Palver's wife (enough in the background that I can't recall
>>> her name) who is also second foundation. Both could have expanded
>>> roles in a movie.
>>>
>>> William Hyde
>>
>>That would require thought and some desire to stay true to the story.
>>Much easier to gender and race swap characters at random until you have
>>the perfect mix for twitter of the current five minutes. And
>>"improve"(piss on) the story to bring it up to current day
>>standards(when the people improving it are talentless hacks who will
>>never produce anything that anyone will remember 10 years from now not
>>to mention 70+).
>
> How many people in the world have actually read _Foundation_ et alia?
>
> The people funding the series hope for a much larger audience. Much,
> much larger, or they're just throwing their money away; if they piss off
> a few hard-core science fiction fans in the process of making loads of
> money, they'll cry all the way to the bank.
>
> Sad, but true.

No offense intended but I have heard that argument a lot and it never
made any sense to me. You pay money(often a lot of money) for the rights
to something and then act like it is a set of chains you have to
destroy. It seems to me if you are so much better than the property you
are working on then you would be better off making your own story and
putting the rights money into the budget for your own personal story.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 08:45:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
wrote:

> "edstas...@gmail.com" <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:0d10ac3b-cf07-4cb4-9ed3-533b29d5d171n@googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Steve Coltrin
>>> > Dorothy J Heydt
>>> >
>>> > And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>
>>> Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in the
>>> series
>>
>>> is apparently some sort of war crime.
>>
>> It's a valid complaint, as these remakes that change the cast into
>> women or minorities are presented as being somehow "empowering" when
>> they’re actually all about attacking and tearing down White men and
>> Western civilization.
>
> What it' about is making money. If you make a movie that offends a
> significant part of the potential audience, you won't get to make any
> more movies.

Who would not having the correct percentage of minorities(determined by
who?) actually offend? A few people on twitter and their sock-puppet
accounts? It is not like I said to myself I can not go to Black Panther
because there are not enough white people in it.

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qvKtvM.ByD@kithrup.com:

> In article <XnsAD5A58301AC12taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>news:qvJqtD.1Bs4@kithrup.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsAD59A60498037taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
>>>>news:qvJE86.10nM@kithrup.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <e1841106-62b4-4dab-8d5e-b56836e40608n@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 2:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J
>>>>>>Heydt wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <m2tulfs...@kelutral.omcl.org>,
>>>>>>> Steve Coltrin <spco...@omcl.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> >begin fnord
>>>>>>> >-dsr- <dsr-u...@randomstring.org> writes:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, Amazon says the first three episodes
>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>FOUNDATION will be
>>>>>>> >> available on September 24th this year.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >An odd thing for them to do, considering they have fuck
>>>>>>> >all to do with the project.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Already people are complaining because the trailers show
>>>>>>> >women doing things other than fetching coffee, and nobody
>>>>>>> >is smoking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Asimov would probably be happy with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whaaat? The stories were *written* in the 1940s, but they
>>>>>>> take place in a future so distant that the origin of the
>>>>>>> human species is a matter of fruitless debate. (Just ask
>>>>>>> Lord Dorwin.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter
>>>>>>> Arkady.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In the category of women in the series who do a lot behind
>>>>>>the scenes but don't show up
>>>>>>much in the text, there's the second foundation agent on
>>>>>>Kalgan who poses as a ditzy courtesan but is anything but,
>>>>>>and Preem Palver's wife (enough in the background
>>>>>>that I can't recall her name) who is also second foundation.
>>>>>>Both could have expanded
>>>>>>roles in a movie.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they well might.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's on Apple+, isn't it? I don't think my daughter
>>>>> subscribes to that. I'll have to wait for reviews after it
>>>>> launches, to see if I want to save my nickels and dimes and
>>>>> get the DVDs.
>>>>>
>>>>Does Apple release DVDs of their original productions?
>>>
>>> Damfino. I've described the time I had a secretarial job
>>> where everyone in the lab used Macs, and I had to too. If by
>>> any chance Apple did release DVDs, they'd likely be some
>>> format I couldn't play.
>>
>>If they *callI it a DVD, it will play. Otherwise, they'd be in
>>violation of the licensing agreement on the trademarks, and
>>Apple has very deep pockets.
>>
>>On the other hand, they're far more likely to release is in Blue
>>Ray. A lot of stuff doesn't actually get DVD releases any more.
>>>
>>> That, if you please, was me distrusting Apple.
>>
>>And not without reasons. They're very protective of their walled
>>garden. But they still have to abide by contractual obligations.
>>>
>>>>Amazon has a
>>>>habit of not always doing so (because then you won't subscribe
>>>>to Prime).
>>>
>>> Well, I do subscribe to Prime, because I consider (for
>>> example) getting cat food delivered on time worth it. YM
>>> almost certainly will V.
>>>
>>I live across the street from a grocery store. :) (There's
>>nothing I need from Amazon that I need that quickly without
>>paying extra for fast delivery. Plus, where I live, normal
>>delivery is very, very quick anyway. And in a real pinch, I
>>could order through the work account, which doesn't have Prime
>>but has the same benefits regarding fast, free delivery. Just
>>makes payment a bit more complicated.)
>
> Well, that's you.

Indeed. I would never presume to claim otherwise.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:8frrdgho4jvopdg7hchjbtbtv7qnqib3tf@4ax.com:

> Note: I didn't see the remake because of the reviews.

I didn't see the remake because I don't boether with remakes.

(Though the presence of Melissan McCarthy would have done it, too.
Like Will Ferrell, she's very good at what she does, and what she
does is annoying as shit to me.)

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:v8srdghrf1ifdg11r8lh16ldj2mhqic0oc@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 04:57:39 -0700 (PDT), "edstas...@gmail.com"
> <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Steve Coltrin
>>> > Dorothy J Heydt
>>> >
>>> > And let's not forget Bayta Darrell, and her daughter Arkady.
>>>
>>> Oh, and characters who were men in the stories being women in
>>> the series is apparently some sort of war crime.
>>
>>It's a valid complaint, as these remakes that change the cast
>>into women or minorities are presented as being somehow
>>"empowering" when they�re actually all about attacking and
>>tearing down White men and Western civilization.
>>
>>The result is they only further the belief that women and
>>minorities can't create their own art and have to steal it from
>>White men.
>
> Thanks for your insight into what the Alt-Right is thinking.
>
> Always nice to have another data-point.
>
> Even for forms of insanity.

It compares and contrasts nicely with your own instanity, doesn't it?

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB