On 23/09/22 03:40, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 9/21/2022 9:36 PM, Titus G wrote:
>> On 22/09/22 10:02, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>
>> snip
>>
>>> Either way, Ukraine would suffer first.  It's not
>>> a good "weapon" unless the population plans to
>>> leave the territory for Russia to take the territory.
>>> And it's not clear to me that Russia objects
>>> strongly to Ukrainians abandoning Ukraine.
>>> Russia may object to calling that genocide,
>>> but I think that's in the official definition
>>> that I expect they agreed to.
>>
>> Perhaps you should read about the Minsk Agreement, negotiated by France
>> and Germany in which the Western Ukraine government promised greater
>> autonomy for the rebellious Eastern provinces.
>>
> I feel confident in doubting that such an agreement allowed for Russian
> occupation and annexation of those provinces.
>

Yes. Agreed. But I was replying to the nonsensical ideas of the previous
poster such that the pro-Russian Ukrainians East of the ceasefire line
would flee to the 'safety" of the pro-Nazi Ukrainians West of the
ceasefire line. Did all Texas escape to New York after the US Uncivil War?

On 9/22/2022 9:58 PM, Titus G wrote:
> On 23/09/22 03:40, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 9/21/2022 9:36 PM, Titus G wrote:
>>> On 22/09/22 10:02, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>
>>> snip
>>>
>>>> Either way, Ukraine would suffer first.  It's not
>>>> a good "weapon" unless the population plans to
>>>> leave the territory for Russia to take the territory.
>>>> And it's not clear to me that Russia objects
>>>> strongly to Ukrainians abandoning Ukraine.
>>>> Russia may object to calling that genocide,
>>>> but I think that's in the official definition
>>>> that I expect they agreed to.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you should read about the Minsk Agreement, negotiated by France
>>> and Germany in which the Western Ukraine government promised greater
>>> autonomy for the rebellious Eastern provinces.
>>>
>> I feel confident in doubting that such an agreement allowed for Russian
>> occupation and annexation of those provinces.
>>
>
> Yes. Agreed. But I was replying to the nonsensical ideas of the previous
> poster such that the pro-Russian Ukrainians East of the ceasefire line
> would flee to the 'safety" of the pro-Nazi Ukrainians West of the
> ceasefire line. Did all Texas escape to New York after the US Uncivil War?

I didn't read Robert's post as saying the pro-Russian population would
flee Russian occupied territory. I read it as pro-Ukrainian population
would. And Russia doesn't want that either. Their stated objective is
the destruction of Ukraine as a country, culture and people. Please
note the mass graves being found in liberated parts of Ukraine and the
documented deportation of Ukrainians to scatter them throughout Russia
(assuming it isn't deportation to mass graves inside Russia).

--
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dirty old man.

On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:23:02 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 9/21/2022 9:37 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:45:32 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Considering that the majority of asylum seekers _don't_ come from
>>>>> Mexico, I'm not sure what your point is...
>>>>
>>>> Refugees originating from Guatemala have tended to approach the
>>>> United States *through* Mexico.
>>>
>>> Except most of the refugees are from Venezuela. That's a long hike
>>> through Mexico.
>>
>> Those trafficked to Martha's Vinyard with promises of jobs and housing
>> may now be eligible for Visas for the victims of trafficking. And so
>> eventual citizenship. Way to go DeSantis!
>>
> From what I've read they were all in the US legally seeking asylum
>before being lured by false promises into being shipped off out of state.

Which, apparently, makes the flight /illegal under the very law
DeSantis is citing/ because /that/ law only applies to unauthorized
persons.

Also because it originated in Texas. Apparently, the law requires that
the people moved be moved /from Florida/.

We haven't seen the end of this by any means.
--
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development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On 24/09/22 02:54, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 9/22/2022 9:58 PM, Titus G wrote:
>> On 23/09/22 03:40, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 9/21/2022 9:36 PM, Titus G wrote:
>>>> On 22/09/22 10:02, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>> Either way, Ukraine would suffer first.  It's not
>>>>> a good "weapon" unless the population plans to
>>>>> leave the territory for Russia to take the territory.
>>>>> And it's not clear to me that Russia objects
>>>>> strongly to Ukrainians abandoning Ukraine.
>>>>> Russia may object to calling that genocide,
>>>>> but I think that's in the official definition
>>>>> that I expect they agreed to.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you should read about the Minsk Agreement, negotiated by France
>>>> and Germany in which the Western Ukraine government promised greater
>>>> autonomy for the rebellious Eastern provinces.
>>>>
>>> I feel confident in doubting that such an agreement allowed for Russian
>>> occupation and annexation of those provinces.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Agreed. But I was replying to the nonsensical ideas of the previous
>> poster such that the pro-Russian Ukrainians East of the ceasefire line
>> would flee to the 'safety" of the pro-Nazi Ukrainians West of the
>> ceasefire line. Did all Texas escape to New York after the US Uncivil
>> War?
>
> I didn't read Robert's post as saying the pro-Russian population would
> flee Russian occupied territory.  I read it as pro-Ukrainian population
> would.  And Russia doesn't want that either.  Their stated objective is
> the destruction of Ukraine as a country, culture and people.

I can see no benefit for either of us in continuing this exchange.

David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:tgj1j2$4f9$1@gioia.aioe.org:

> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>
>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>>
>>> Really?
>>>
>>> Then let's see the quote.
>>
>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
>> them "semi" fascist?
>
> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK with
> the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election, or with
> the laws intended to allow Republican state legislatures to toss
> out election results they don't like.
>
As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the 2016
election, which he approves of.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 2022-09-25 11:09, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> Then let's see the quote.
>>>
>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
>>> them "semi" fascist?
>>
>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK with
>> the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election, or with
>> the laws intended to allow Republican state legislatures to toss
>> out election results they don't like.
>>
> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the 2016
> election, which he approves of.
>

There was no such insurrection...

...and no one in the White House was in phone contact with any protester
of the 2016 election during a protest, either.

In article <XnsAF1D718281169taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>
> > On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> >>
> >>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
> >>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
> >>
> >>> Really?
> >>>
> >>> Then let's see the quote.
> >>
> >> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
> >> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
> >> them "semi" fascist?
> >
> > He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK with
> > the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election, or with
> > the laws intended to allow Republican state legislatures to toss
> > out election results they don't like.
> >
> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the 2016
> election, which he approves of.

I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really stupid*
and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors in the Electoral
College, but what insurrection was there?

*Tom Kratman's response on his blog might have been over the top, but
his basic point that military officers weren't likely to violate their
oaths of office for the sake of people they despise still holds

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Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
news:robertaw-209BE7.21544025092022@news.individual.net:

> In article <XnsAF1D718281169taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>> > On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>> >>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>> >>
>> >>> Really?
>> >>>
>> >>> Then let's see the quote.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>> >> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
>> >> them "semi" fascist?
>> >
>> > He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK
>> > with the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election,
>> > or with the laws intended to allow Republican state
>> > legislatures to toss out election results they don't like.
>> >
>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the
>> 2016 election, which he approves of.
>
> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really
> stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors
> in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was there?

It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not let
you accept it.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-6, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:

> > I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really
> > stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors
> > in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was there?

> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not let
> you accept it.

What I remember seeing mentioned in this newsgroup was that there
were violent protests at the result of the 2016 election. The mainstream
news media has not seen fit to categorize them as an insurrection
comparable to the events of January 6th - even if they may have caused
more total death and destruction, they weren't concentrated in the one place
where they could concievably have actually *interfered* with the result of
the election taking effect, which is probably the reason why.

John Savard

On 2022-09-25 23:25, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
> news:robertaw-209BE7.21544025092022@news.individual.net:
>
>> In article <XnsAF1D718281169taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>>>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
>>>>> them "semi" fascist?
>>>>
>>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK
>>>> with the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election,
>>>> or with the laws intended to allow Republican state
>>>> legislatures to toss out election results they don't like.
>>>>
>>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the
>>> 2016 election, which he approves of.
>>
>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really
>> stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors
>> in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was there?
>
> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not let
> you accept it.
>

It's certainly easier to sling insults...

...than to actually produce cite.

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:36:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-09-25 23:25, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> > Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
> > news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
> >
> >> In article <XnsAF1D7182811...@85.12.62.232>,
> >> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
> >>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Really?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
> >>>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
> >>>>> them "semi" fascist?
> >>>>
> >>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK
> >>>> with the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election,
> >>>> or with the laws intended to allow Republican state
> >>>> legislatures to toss out election results they don't like.
> >>>>
> >>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the
> >>> 2016 election, which he approves of.
> >>
> >> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really
> >> stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors
> >> in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was there?
> >
> > It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not let
> > you accept it.
> >
> It's certainly easier to sling insults...
>
> ..than to actually produce cite.

Yeah, this is one of Terry's go-tos when he's called to account.
"I already posted this. You're too dumb to remember. No, I won't repost it."

Then you search, and ..... he never did so.

pt

On 9/25/2022 9:54 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <XnsAF1D718281169taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
>>>> them "semi" fascist?
>>>
>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK with
>>> the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election, or with
>>> the laws intended to allow Republican state legislatures to toss
>>> out election results they don't like.
>>>
>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the 2016
>> election, which he approves of.
>
> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really stupid*
> and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors in the Electoral
> College, but what insurrection was there?
>
In 2016 there wasn't one.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

On 2022-09-26 07:37, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:36:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-09-25 23:25, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsAF1D7182811...@85.12.62.232>,
>>>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>>>>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>>>>>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
>>>>>>> them "semi" fascist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK
>>>>>> with the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election,
>>>>>> or with the laws intended to allow Republican state
>>>>>> legislatures to toss out election results they don't like.
>>>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the
>>>>> 2016 election, which he approves of.
>>>>
>>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really
>>>> stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors
>>>> in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was there?
>>>
>>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not let
>>> you accept it.
>>>
>> It's certainly easier to sling insults...
>>
>> ..than to actually produce cite.
>
> Yeah, this is one of Terry's go-tos when he's called to account.
> "I already posted this. You're too dumb to remember. No, I won't repost it."
>
> Then you search, and ..... he never did so.

And to borrow a Terryism:

Every, single time.

:-)

On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 17:14:10 UTC+1, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-09-26 07:37, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:36:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
> >> On 2022-09-25 23:25, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> >>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
> >>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <XnsAF1D7182811...@85.12.62.232>,
> >>>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >>>>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
> >>>>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Really?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
> >>>>>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
> >>>>>>> them "semi" fascist?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK
> >>>>>> with the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election,
> >>>>>> or with the laws intended to allow Republican state
> >>>>>> legislatures to toss out election results they don't like.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the
> >>>>> 2016 election, which he approves of.
> >>>>
> >>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really
> >>>> stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors
> >>>> in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was there?
> >>>
> >>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not let
> >>> you accept it.
> >>>
> >> It's certainly easier to sling insults...
> >>
> >> ..than to actually produce cite.
> >
> > Yeah, this is one of Terry's go-tos when he's called to account.
> > "I already posted this. You're too dumb to remember. No, I won't repost it."
> >
> > Then you search, and ..... he never did so.
> And to borrow a Terryism:
>
> Every, single time.
>
> :-)

It appears that being talked about is equally satisfying.
So it's odd when I am the one chosen to talk about.

Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in
news:tgsdle$3opai$1@dont-email.me:

> On 9/25/2022 9:54 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> In article <XnsAF1D718281169taustingmail@85.12.62.232>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>>>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
>>>>> them "semi" fascist?
>>>>
>>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK
>>>> with the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election,
>>>> or with the laws intended to allow Republican state
>>>> legislatures to toss out election results they don't like.
>>>>
>>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the
>>> 2016 election, which he approves of.
>>
>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
>> really stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful
>> electors in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was
>> there?
>>
> In 2016 there wasn't one.
>
You're halluciantuing again.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ab6cd11c-0c94-4283-8f2c-b7acac95b827n@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:36:54 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-09-25 23:25, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> > Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>> > news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
>> >
>> >> In article <XnsAF1D7182811...@85.12.62.232>,
>> >> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>> >>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>> >>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Really?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>> >>>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only
>> >>>>> calling them "semi" fascist?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK
>> >>>> with the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the
>> >>>> election, or with the laws intended to allow Republican
>> >>>> state legislatures to toss out election results they don't
>> >>>> like.
>> >>>>
>> >>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn
>> >>> the 2016 election, which he approves of.
>> >>
>> >> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
>> >> really stupid* and there were an unusual number of
>> >> unfaithful electors in the Electoral College, but what
>> >> insurrection was there?
>> >
>> > It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not
>> > let you accept it.
>> >
>> It's certainly easier to sling insults...
>>
>> ..than to actually produce cite.
>
> Yeah, this is one of Terry's go-tos when he's called to account.
> "I already posted this. You're too dumb to remember. No, I won't
> repost it."
>
> Then you search, and ..... he never did so.
>
You're hallucinating again.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:54:45 AM UTC-4, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <XnsAF1D7182811...@85.12.62.232>,
> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > news:tgj1j2$4f9$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
> >
> > > On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
> > >>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
> > >>
> > >>> Really?
> > >>>
> > >>> Then let's see the quote.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
> > >> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
> > >> them "semi" fascist?
> > >
> > > He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK with
> > > the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election, or with
> > > the laws intended to allow Republican state legislatures to toss
> > > out election results they don't like.
> > >
> > As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the 2016
> > election, which he approves of.
> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really stupid*
> and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors in the Electoral
> College, but what insurrection was there?

It seems there were seven faithless electors, two defected from Trump but five from Clinton.

The electors voted for Colin Powell, Ron Paul, and Bernie Sanders, among others.

Three others tried to alter their votes, but the states in question did not allow it.

Somebody said (was it here?) something like "The state can survive four years of any president, it probably won't survive an election decided by faithless electors".

William Hyde

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:18:44 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> And the fuel used in reactors *can't* be used for nuclear bombs.
> It's not enriched enough.

Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb that just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good weapon

On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 2:58:24 PM UTC+10, Titus G wrote:
> On 23/09/22 03:40, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > On 9/21/2022 9:36 PM, Titus G wrote:
> >> On 22/09/22 10:02, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> >>
> >> snip
> >>
> >>> Either way, Ukraine would suffer first. It's not
> >>> a good "weapon" unless the population plans to
> >>> leave the territory for Russia to take the territory.
> >>> And it's not clear to me that Russia objects
> >>> strongly to Ukrainians abandoning Ukraine.
> >>> Russia may object to calling that genocide,
> >>> but I think that's in the official definition
> >>> that I expect they agreed to.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should read about the Minsk Agreement, negotiated by France
> >> and Germany in which the Western Ukraine government promised greater
> >> autonomy for the rebellious Eastern provinces.
> >>
> > I feel confident in doubting that such an agreement allowed for Russian
> > occupation and annexation of those provinces.
> >
> Yes. Agreed. But I was replying to the nonsensical ideas of the previous
> poster such that the pro-Russian Ukrainians East of the ceasefire line
> would flee to the 'safety" of the pro-Nazi Ukrainians West of the
> ceasefire line. Did all Texas escape to New York after the US Uncivil War?

You're drinking the Russian cool-aid if you actually think western Ukraine is pro-nazi.
The extreme right wing political parties have sod all support

On 2022-09-26 1:54 p.m., William Hyde wrote:
> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:54:45 AM UTC-4, Robert Woodward wrote:
>> In article <XnsAF1D7182811...@85.12.62.232>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been roundly
>>>>> criticized for being soft on the Republicans by only calling
>>>>> them "semi" fascist?
>>>>
>>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are OK with
>>>> the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the election, or with
>>>> the laws intended to allow Republican state legislatures to toss
>>>> out election results they don't like.
>>>>
>>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn the 2016
>>> election, which he approves of.
>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something really stupid*
>> and there were an unusual number of unfaithful electors in the Electoral
>> College, but what insurrection was there?
>
> It seems there were seven faithless electors, two defected from Trump but five from Clinton.
>
> The electors voted for Colin Powell, Ron Paul, and Bernie Sanders, among others.
>
> Three others tried to alter their votes, but the states in question did not allow it.
>
> Somebody said (was it here?) something like "The state can survive four years of any president, it probably won't survive an election decided by faithless electors".
>
> William Hyde
>

Neither violent nor unconstitutional. I mean the possibility is why the
electoral college is a stupid institution but it wouldn't be insurrection.

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:ac01f843-52c3-4c90-b892-5353e70b1ffbn@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-6, Ninapenda
> Jibini wrote:
>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
>
>> > I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
>> > really stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful
>> > electors in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was
>> > there?
>
>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not
>> let you accept it.
>
> What I remember seeing mentioned in this newsgroup was that
> there were violent protests at the result of the 2016 election.
> The mainstream news media has not seen fit to categorize them as
> an insurrection comparable to the events of January 6th - even
> if they may have caused more total death and destruction, they
> weren't concentrated in the one place where they could
> concievably have actually *interfered* with the result of the
> election taking effect, which is probably the reason why.
>
The *stated* intent was to overturn the results of an election that
they acknowledged was legitimate.

Swallower whatever propganda you want - your don't matter - but the
facts are the facts.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote in
news:9d743ff0-a9f2-4ae5-940f-1bf4b6bb96ban@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, 26 September 2022 at 17:14:10 UTC+1, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-09-26 07:37, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 4:36:54 AM UTC-4, Alan
>> > wrote:
>> >> On 2022-09-25 23:25, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> >>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>> >>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
>> >>>
>> >>>> In article <XnsAF1D7182811...@85.12.62.232>,
>> >>>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> David Johnston <davidjo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >>>>> news:tgj1j2$4f9$1...@gioia.aioe.org:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 2022-09-20 6:43 p.m., Quadibloc wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 2:13:03 PM UTC-6,
>> >>>>>>> Alan wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 2022-09-20 12:58, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> And Biden just accused anyone who disagrees with his
>> >>>>>>>>> puppeteers' opiinions of treason.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Really?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Then let's see the quote.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Maybe he is thinking of the one where he has been
>> >>>>>>> roundly criticized for being soft on the Republicans by
>> >>>>>>> only calling them "semi" fascist?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> He didn't call all of them that. Just the ones who are
>> >>>>>> OK with the attempt to unconstitutionally reverse the
>> >>>>>> election, or with the laws intended to allow Republican
>> >>>>>> state legislatures to toss out election results they
>> >>>>>> don't like.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> As opposed to the violent insurrection trying to overturn
>> >>>>> the 2016 election, which he approves of.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
>> >>>> really stupid* and there were an unusual number of
>> >>>> unfaithful electors in the Electoral College, but what
>> >>>> insurrection was there?
>> >>>
>> >>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will
>> >>> not let you accept it.
>> >>>
>> >> It's certainly easier to sling insults...
>> >>
>> >> ..than to actually produce cite.
>> >
>> > Yeah, this is one of Terry's go-tos when he's called to
>> > account. "I already posted this. You're too dumb to remember.
>> > No, I won't repost it."
>> >
>> > Then you search, and ..... he never did so.
>> And to borrow a Terryism:
>>
>> Every, single time.
>>
>> :-)
>
> It appears that being talked about is equally satisfying.
> So it's odd when I am the one chosen to talk about.
>
You never could pass up an opportunity to talk about me. And I do
mean you *can't*.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 2022-09-26 22:38, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> news:ac01f843-52c3-4c90-b892-5353e70b1ffbn@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-6, Ninapenda
>> Jibini wrote:
>>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
>>
>>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
>>>> really stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful
>>>> electors in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was
>>>> there?
>>
>>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not
>>> let you accept it.
>>
>> What I remember seeing mentioned in this newsgroup was that
>> there were violent protests at the result of the 2016 election.
>> The mainstream news media has not seen fit to categorize them as
>> an insurrection comparable to the events of January 6th - even
>> if they may have caused more total death and destruction, they
>> weren't concentrated in the one place where they could
>> concievably have actually *interfered* with the result of the
>> election taking effect, which is probably the reason why.
>>
> The *stated* intent was to overturn the results of an election that
> they acknowledged was legitimate.

Cite, please!

>
> Swallower whatever propganda you want - your don't matter - but the
> facts are the facts.

On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 17:37:12 -0700 (PDT), Hamish Laws
<hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:18:44 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> And the fuel used in reactors *can't* be used for nuclear bombs.
>> It's not enriched enough.
>
>Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb that just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good weapon

Actually, if it means that the effects (given correct wind flow) that
go beyond Ukraine /stay in Russia/ and do not reach anywhere else, it
would be a very good weapon.

But I wouldn't recommend using it, even as a response to a Russian
nuke. Finding the base it was fired from and taking that out (with
conventional weapons, BTW) would be much better. Let /Russia/ use them
if it is going to; we should not unless the balloon truly goes up.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

In article <tgu2mc$1ub$2@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2022-09-26 22:38, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> > news:ac01f843-52c3-4c90-b892-5353e70b1ffbn@googlegroups.com:
> >
> >> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-6, Ninapenda
> >> Jibini wrote:
> >>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
> >>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
> >>
> >>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
> >>>> really stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful
> >>>> electors in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was
> >>>> there?
> >>
> >>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not
> >>> let you accept it.
> >>
> >> What I remember seeing mentioned in this newsgroup was that
> >> there were violent protests at the result of the 2016 election.
> >> The mainstream news media has not seen fit to categorize them as
> >> an insurrection comparable to the events of January 6th - even
> >> if they may have caused more total death and destruction, they
> >> weren't concentrated in the one place where they could
> >> concievably have actually *interfered* with the result of the
> >> election taking effect, which is probably the reason why.
> >>
> > The *stated* intent was to overturn the results of an election that
> > they acknowledged was legitimate.
>
> Cite, please!
>

What I was referring to in my reply (that is quoted above), an idiot
talked about a military coup to prevent Trump from taking office (thus
Kratman's over the top response).

--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com