On 2022-09-27 10:13, Robert Woodward wrote:
> In article <tgu2mc$1ub$2@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-26 22:38, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>>> news:ac01f843-52c3-4c90-b892-5353e70b1ffbn@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-6, Ninapenda
>>>> Jibini wrote:
>>>>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
>>>>>> really stupid* and there were an unusual number of unfaithful
>>>>>> electors in the Electoral College, but what insurrection was
>>>>>> there?
>>>>
>>>>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will not
>>>>> let you accept it.
>>>>
>>>> What I remember seeing mentioned in this newsgroup was that
>>>> there were violent protests at the result of the 2016 election.
>>>> The mainstream news media has not seen fit to categorize them as
>>>> an insurrection comparable to the events of January 6th - even
>>>> if they may have caused more total death and destruction, they
>>>> weren't concentrated in the one place where they could
>>>> concievably have actually *interfered* with the result of the
>>>> election taking effect, which is probably the reason why.
>>>>
>>> The *stated* intent was to overturn the results of an election that
>>> they acknowledged was legitimate.
>>
>> Cite, please!
>>
>
> What I was referring to in my reply (that is quoted above), an idiot
> talked about a military coup to prevent Trump from taking office (thus
> Kratman's over the top response).
>

I know.

But Terry is talking about protests and claiming that their stated
intent was to overturn a legitimate election.

And that's just not true.

Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:

> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:18:44 AM UTC+10, Jibini
> Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> And the fuel used in reactors *can't* be used for nuclear
>> bombs. It's not enriched enough.
>
> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb that
> just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good weapon
>
Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of course, Putin
is, these days, more terrorist than head of state anyway.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 2022-09-27 11:28, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:18:44 AM UTC+10, Jibini
>> Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> And the fuel used in reactors *can't* be used for nuclear
>>> bombs. It's not enriched enough.
>>
>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb that
>> just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good weapon
>>
> Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of course, Putin
> is, these days, more terrorist than head of state anyway.
>

That explains why Trump admires him so much...

Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
news:robertaw-1CDBEB.10131627092022@news.individual.net:

> In article <tgu2mc$1ub$2@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-09-26 22:38, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>> > news:ac01f843-52c3-4c90-b892-5353e70b1ffbn@googlegroups.com:
>> >
>> >> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-6,
>> >> Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> >>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>> >>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
>> >>
>> >>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
>> >>>> really stupid* and there were an unusual number of
>> >>>> unfaithful electors in the Electoral College, but what
>> >>>> insurrection was there?
>> >>
>> >>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will
>> >>> not let you accept it.
>> >>
>> >> What I remember seeing mentioned in this newsgroup was that
>> >> there were violent protests at the result of the 2016
>> >> election. The mainstream news media has not seen fit to
>> >> categorize them as an insurrection comparable to the events
>> >> of January 6th - even if they may have caused more total
>> >> death and destruction, they weren't concentrated in the one
>> >> place where they could concievably have actually
>> >> *interfered* with the result of the election taking effect,
>> >> which is probably the reason why.
>> >>
>> > The *stated* intent was to overturn the results of an
>> > election that they acknowledged was legitimate.
>>
>> Cite, please!
>>
>
> What I was referring to in my reply (that is quoted above), an
> idiot talked about a military coup to prevent Trump from taking
> office (thus Kratman's over the top response).
>
Where is there any mention of a *military* coup? You are,
literally, hallucinating.

In all seriosness, son, *get* *help*.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 28/09/22 15:27, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
> news:robertaw-1CDBEB.10131627092022@news.individual.net:
>
snip for brevity
>>
>> What I was referring to in my reply (that is quoted above), an
>> idiot talked about a military coup to prevent Trump from taking
>> office (thus Kratman's over the top response).
>>
> Where is there any mention of a *military* coup? You are,
> literally, hallucinating.

How can he be literally typing and literally hallucinating at the same
time? Shirley! If he was, then at least his spelling and possibly his
punctuation would be all over the place which they are not.

> In all seriosness, son, *get* *help*.
Oops. Sorry. I didn't realise he was your son. If I had known this I
would not have interfered as I did above. Sorry.

On Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:48:26 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>On the other hand, you should think kindly of Dorothy. An uncle
>of hers was a pilot in the Lafayette Escadrille, and so
>contributed to the defeat of Germany in WW1. You can think well
>of both of us because our respective fathers both served in US
>forces in WW2. Hers as an Army officer helping train Army Air
>Corps pilots and mine as part of the US Maritime Service
>re-training ships engineers on the new power systems that were
>bing installed.

My Canadian grandfather volunteered for the Navy (he was a commercial
fisherman and his father had been a Royal Navy officer) but was
rejected on medical grounds (he had lost 3 fingers in a fishing
accident) but worked on contract for the British ministry of food and
developed a process in early 1943 that for the first time allowed
salmon to be shipped to Britain (and arrive in edible condition) and
got a reward for it.

My American grandfather was a farmer with 6 kids; his eldest son
served in the US air force during Korea. His father worked in a
military plant.

Several of my American cousins served in the USAF including one cousin
who ended up being posted to NATO headquarters where she met her
Portugese husband and after her service has lived in Paris these last
35 years.

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:27:54 PM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
> news:robertaw-1CDBEB...@news.individual.net:
> > In article <tgu2mc$1ub$2...@dont-email.me>, Alan <nuh...@nope.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-09-26 22:38, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> >> > Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
> >> > news:ac01f843-52c3-4c90...@googlegroups.com:
> >> >
> >> >> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-6,
> >> >> Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
> >> >>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
> >> >>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
> >> >>
> >> >>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying something
> >> >>>> really stupid* and there were an unusual number of
> >> >>>> unfaithful electors in the Electoral College, but what
> >> >>>> insurrection was there?
> >> >>
> >> >>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will
> >> >>> not let you accept it.
> >> >>
> >> >> What I remember seeing mentioned in this newsgroup was that
> >> >> there were violent protests at the result of the 2016
> >> >> election. The mainstream news media has not seen fit to
> >> >> categorize them as an insurrection comparable to the events
> >> >> of January 6th - even if they may have caused more total
> >> >> death and destruction, they weren't concentrated in the one
> >> >> place where they could concievably have actually
> >> >> *interfered* with the result of the election taking effect,
> >> >> which is probably the reason why.
> >> >>
> >> > The *stated* intent was to overturn the results of an
> >> > election that they acknowledged was legitimate.
> >>
> >> Cite, please!
> >>
> >
> > What I was referring to in my reply (that is quoted above), an
> > idiot talked about a military coup to prevent Trump from taking
> > office (thus Kratman's over the top response).
> >
> Where is there any mention of a *military* coup? You are,
> literally, hallucinating.

No, he's not lying. You're in denial.

If you bother to go back in the thread, Robert is citing a blog
post by Tom Kratman. Here's what Robert said:

"Tom Kratman's response on his blog might have been over the top, but
his basic point that military officers weren't likely to violate their
oaths of office for the sake of people they despise still holds."

pt

On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:18:44 AM UTC+10, Jibini
>> Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> And the fuel used in reactors *can't* be used for nuclear
>>> bombs. It's not enriched enough.
>>
>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb that
>> just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good weapon
>>
>Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of course, Putin
>is, these days, more terrorist than head of state anyway.

As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20 or 30
bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the middle of the
night. Not in military topics.

Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of doing what
he wants nor in planning military operations (overlooking logistics is
typical of inexperience in this area) nor (as I expect we shall soon
see) in micromanaging the forces.

Now that Tsar Putin is holed up in his Winter Palace (which I trust we
know the location of from our various satellites), the only question
is: has he started moving /imaginary/ armies around (as Adolph did,
when the walls closed in at the end) yet?
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:18:44 AM UTC+10, Jibini
>>> Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>> And the fuel used in reactors *can't* be used for nuclear
>>>> bombs. It's not enriched enough.
>>>
>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb that
>>> just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good weapon
>>>
>>Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of course, Putin
>>is, these days, more terrorist than head of state anyway.
>
>As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20 or 30
>bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the middle of the
>night. Not in military topics.
>
>Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of doing what
>he wants nor in planning military operations (overlooking logistics is
>typical of inexperience in this area) nor (as I expect we shall soon
>see) in micromanaging the forces.

The actuality is far more nuanced. Back in 2008, to save funds, the
former soviet training systems were discontinued and the conscription
system was reduced to one year of service. That's led directly
to a force consisting of soldiers with very limited training and
a very small pool of reservists (who, unlike the reservists in the
USA, don't have recurring training operations).

The soviet system has never generated the type of NCO regime used
in western militaries, which is where the bulk of the institutional
knowledge is contained, and from which most of the unit-level leadership
skills are developed.

"A mobilized servicemember of the 1st Tank Regiment of an
unspecified unit recorded a video plea stating that his unit
will not receive training prior to deploying to Kherson Oblast
on September 29. RFE/RL's Mark Krutov geolocated the serviceman's
surroundings to the 2nd Guards Motor Rifle Division's base in
Kalininets, Moscow Oblast. ISW previously reported that Russian
forces have committed elements of the 147th Artillery Regiment
of the 2nd Motor Rifle Division to Kherson Oblast in late August,
and are likely attempting to reinforce units in the south (that
have operated in Kyiv and Kharkiv Oblasts) in short periods with
untrained, newly-mobilized men. Elements of the 2nd Motor Rifle
Division previously based out of Izyum asked to leave their
positions on August 30 due to moral exhaustion. Russian opposition
outlet Mediazona also reported that mobilized men of the 237th Tank
Regiment of the WMD's 3rd Motor Rifle Division based out of Valuyki
are deploying to Donbas frontlines after only one day of training."

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-27

Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:th0g06$9p0j$1@dont-email.me:

> On 28/09/22 15:27, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote in
>> news:robertaw-1CDBEB.10131627092022@news.individual.net:
>>
> snip for brevity
>>>
>>> What I was referring to in my reply (that is quoted above), an
>>> idiot talked about a military coup to prevent Trump from
>>> taking office (thus Kratman's over the top response).
>>>
>> Where is there any mention of a *military* coup? You are,
>> literally, hallucinating.
>
> How can he be literally typing and literally hallucinating at
> the same time? Shirley!

multitasking
/?m?lte'taskiNG,?m?l?ti'taskiNG/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1. the performance of more than one task at the same time.
"parenting skills such as multitasking and concentrating amid
distractions are easily transferable to the workplace"
2. the execution by a computer of more than one program or task
simultaneously.
"multitasking didn't slow down the smartphone at any point"

(And I never said anything about typing. If you believe I did,
you're hallucinating, too. Otherwise, you're just making shit up.)

> If he was, then at least his spelling
> and possibly his punctuation would be all over the place which
> they are not.

You're as stupid as he is.
>
>> In all seriosness, son, *get* *help*.
> Oops. Sorry. I didn't realise he was your son. If I had known
> this I would not have interfered as I did above. Sorry.
>
But not stupider. You really couldn't be.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b2a4d0b8-b5ae-43e2-b3c4-1877e210d5a8n@googlegroups.com:

> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:27:54 PM UTC-4, Ninapenda
> Jibini wrote:
>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>> news:robertaw-1CDBEB...@news.individual.net:
>> > In article <tgu2mc$1ub$2...@dont-email.me>, Alan
>> > <nuh...@nope.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2022-09-26 22:38, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> >> > Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
>> >> > news:ac01f843-52c3-4c90...@googlegroups.com:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 12:25:56 AM UTC-6,
>> >> >> Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
>> >> >>> Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com> wrote in
>> >> >>> news:robertaw-209BE7...@news.individual.net:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>> I distinctly remember at least one idiot saying
>> >> >>>> something really stupid* and there were an unusual
>> >> >>>> number of unfaithful electors in the Electoral College,
>> >> >>>> but what insurrection was there?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> It's been discussed many times. Your mental illness will
>> >> >>> not let you accept it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What I remember seeing mentioned in this newsgroup was
>> >> >> that there were violent protests at the result of the
>> >> >> 2016 election. The mainstream news media has not seen fit
>> >> >> to categorize them as an insurrection comparable to the
>> >> >> events of January 6th - even if they may have caused more
>> >> >> total death and destruction, they weren't concentrated in
>> >> >> the one place where they could concievably have actually
>> >> >> *interfered* with the result of the election taking
>> >> >> effect, which is probably the reason why.
>> >> >>
>> >> > The *stated* intent was to overturn the results of an
>> >> > election that they acknowledged was legitimate.
>> >>
>> >> Cite, please!
>> >>
>> >
>> > What I was referring to in my reply (that is quoted above),
>> > an idiot talked about a military coup to prevent Trump from
>> > taking office (thus Kratman's over the top response).
>> >
>> Where is there any mention of a *military* coup? You are,
>> literally, hallucinating.
>
> No, he's not lying. You're in denial.
>
> If you bother to go back in the thread, Robert is citing a blog
> post by Tom Kratman. Here's what Robert said:
>
> "Tom Kratman's response on his blog might have been over the
> top, but his basic point that military officers weren't likely
> to violate their oaths of office for the sake of people they
> despise still holds."
>
Perhaps he should be more careful in using terms like "quoted
abocve," because for at least one reasonable interpretation of it,
it was not, in fact, quoted above.

And he's clearly unhinged, and has been for a *long* time. Not as
unhinged as Alan, but still.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 2022-09-28 10:15, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> And he's clearly unhinged, and has been for a*long* time. Not as
> unhinged as Alan, but still.
>
> -- Terry Austin "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
> asshole." -- David Bilek Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

He "literally" cannot stop begging for my attention...

:-)

On 28/09/2022 12.07, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:

>>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb that
>>>> just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good weapon
>>>>
>>> Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of course, Putin
>>> is, these days, more terrorist than head of state anyway.
>>
>> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20 or 30
>> bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the middle of the
>> night. Not in military topics.
>>
>> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of doing what
>> he wants nor in planning military operations (overlooking logistics is
>> typical of inexperience in this area) nor (as I expect we shall soon
>> see) in micromanaging the forces.
>
> The actuality is far more nuanced. Back in 2008, to save funds, the
> former soviet training systems were discontinued and the conscription
> system was reduced to one year of service. That's led directly
> to a force consisting of soldiers with very limited training and
> a very small pool of reservists (who, unlike the reservists in the
> USA, don't have recurring training operations).

Last week, _All Things Considered_ interviewed a Russian who was
officially a reservist and therefore subject to La Puta's activation
order. When describing his training, he said that he had held a machine
gun. Not fired, just held.

Because he had a degree, he was commissioned as a lieutenant.

--
Michael F. Stemper
This post contains greater than 95% post-consumer bytes by weight.

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
news:ljs8jhh7lmjg29n03b9r4061uivhceelci@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:18:44 AM UTC+10, Jibini
>>> Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>> And the fuel used in reactors *can't* be used for nuclear
>>>> bombs. It's not enriched enough.
>>>
>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb
>>> that just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good
>>> weapon
>>>
>>Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of course,
>>Putin is, these days, more terrorist than head of state anyway.
>
> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20
> or 30 bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the
> middle of the night. Not in military topics.

And clearly, nobody in the human race could possibly learn
*anything* new on *any* subect in the space of 31 years, eh?
>
> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of
> doing what he wants nor in planning military operations
> (overlooking logistics is typical of inexperience in this area)
> nor (as I expect we shall soon see) in micromanaging the forces.

Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but until this year, pretty much
everybody, everywhere, especially people who know more about it
than either of us, thought he had the second most powerful military
in the world. Certianly, it was build over the course of 30+ years
according to long standing Soviet/Russian doctrine. The biggest
flaw, of course, is that one of the core values of that doctrine is
to embezzle as much as possible as often as possible. (There are
other, strategic, flaws in it as well, but the corruption is, by
far, the worst.)
>
> Now that Tsar Putin is holed up in his Winter Palace (which I
> trust we know the location of from our various satellites), the
> only question is: has he started moving /imaginary/ armies
> around (as Adolph did, when the walls closed in at the end) yet?

Personally, I believe he's far too busy worrying about
assassination, by his own people. Or the every growing mobs of
protestors deciding to engage in yet another long standing Russian
tradition, of human wave attacks until there are no more security
forces between them and him. (And if anybody understands poorly or
un-armed human wave attacks against heavily armed enemies, it's
Russians.)

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
news:2b%YK.151317$w35c.69991@fx47.iad:

> The soviet system has never generated the type of NCO regime
> used in western militaries, which is where the bulk of the
> institutional knowledge is contained, and from which most of the
> unit-level leadership skills are developed.
>
Doing so would conflict directly with their strategic doctrine. They
don't *trust* the lower level people to be politically reliable
enough to be allowed any kind of iniative.

For good reason.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote in
news:th1vos$dgu2$1@dont-email.me:

> On 28/09/2022 12.07, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:
>
>>>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb
>>>>> that just disperses radioactive material but that's not a
>>>>> good weapon
>>>>>
>>>> Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of
>>>> course, Putin is, these days, more terrorist than head of
>>>> state anyway.
>>>
>>> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20
>>> or 30 bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the
>>> middle of the night. Not in military topics.
>>>
>>> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of
>>> doing what he wants nor in planning military operations
>>> (overlooking logistics is typical of inexperience in this
>>> area) nor (as I expect we shall soon see) in micromanaging the
>>> forces.
>>
>> The actuality is far more nuanced. Back in 2008, to save
>> funds, the former soviet training systems were discontinued and
>> the conscription system was reduced to one year of service.
>> That's led directly to a force consisting of soldiers with very
>> limited training and a very small pool of reservists (who,
>> unlike the reservists in the USA, don't have recurring training
>> operations).
>
> Last week, _All Things Considered_ interviewed a Russian who was
> officially a reservist and therefore subject to La Puta's
> activation order. When describing his training, he said that he
> had held a machine gun. Not fired, just held.

Who was it that had training excercies, that wouldn't pony up even
for blanks, and just had the traineers yell BANG! The Brits?
Somebody.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:24:02 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> "Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:th1vos$dgu2$1...@dont-email.me:
> > On 28/09/2022 12.07, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
> >>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
> >>> Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>> news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd...@googlegroups.com:
> >
> >>>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb
> >>>>> that just disperses radioactive material but that's not a
> >>>>> good weapon
> >>>>>
> >>>> Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of
> >>>> course, Putin is, these days, more terrorist than head of
> >>>> state anyway.
> >>>
> >>> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20
> >>> or 30 bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the
> >>> middle of the night. Not in military topics.
> >>>
> >>> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of
> >>> doing what he wants nor in planning military operations
> >>> (overlooking logistics is typical of inexperience in this
> >>> area) nor (as I expect we shall soon see) in micromanaging the
> >>> forces.
> >>
> >> The actuality is far more nuanced. Back in 2008, to save
> >> funds, the former soviet training systems were discontinued and
> >> the conscription system was reduced to one year of service.
> >> That's led directly to a force consisting of soldiers with very
> >> limited training and a very small pool of reservists (who,
> >> unlike the reservists in the USA, don't have recurring training
> >> operations).
> >
> > Last week, _All Things Considered_ interviewed a Russian who was
> > officially a reservist and therefore subject to La Puta's
> > activation order. When describing his training, he said that he
> > had held a machine gun. Not fired, just held.
> Who was it that had training excercies, that wouldn't pony up even
> for blanks, and just had the traineers yell BANG! The Brits?
> Somebody.
> --
> Terry Austin
>
> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
> -- David Bilek
>
> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Could be from the UK (and Commonwealth) Home Guard trying to train with a severe shortage of equipment - a web search finds e.g. https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/world-war-two-in-western-europe/britains-home-front-in-world-war-two/home-guard/ which talks about drilling with broomsticks.

Andrew McDowell <mcdowell_ag@sky.com> wrote in
news:b14e9c35-8b42-49c9-a1e1-a4b469f6ed41n@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:24:02 PM UTC+1, Jibini
> Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> "Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:th1vos$dgu2$1...@dont-email.me:
>> > On 28/09/2022 12.07, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> >> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>> >>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> >>> Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>> news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd...@googlegroups.com:
>> >
>> >>>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty
>> >>>>> bomb that just disperses radioactive material but that's
>> >>>>> not a good weapon
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of
>> >>>> course, Putin is, these days, more terrorist than head of
>> >>>> state anyway.
>> >>>
>> >>> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together
>> >>> 20 or 30 bully boys and sending them out to arrest people
>> >>> in the middle of the night. Not in military topics.
>> >>>
>> >>> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of
>> >>> doing what he wants nor in planning military operations
>> >>> (overlooking logistics is typical of inexperience in this
>> >>> area) nor (as I expect we shall soon see) in micromanaging
>> >>> the forces.
>> >>
>> >> The actuality is far more nuanced. Back in 2008, to save
>> >> funds, the former soviet training systems were discontinued
>> >> and the conscription system was reduced to one year of
>> >> service. That's led directly to a force consisting of
>> >> soldiers with very limited training and a very small pool of
>> >> reservists (who, unlike the reservists in the USA, don't
>> >> have recurring training operations).
>> >
>> > Last week, _All Things Considered_ interviewed a Russian who
>> > was officially a reservist and therefore subject to La Puta's
>> > activation order. When describing his training, he said that
>> > he had held a machine gun. Not fired, just held.
>> Who was it that had training excercies, that wouldn't pony up
>> even for blanks, and just had the traineers yell BANG! The
>> Brits? Somebody.
>> --
>> Terry Austin
>>
>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>> -- David Bilek
>>
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
> Could be from the UK (and Commonwealth) Home Guard trying to
> train with a severe shortage of equipment - a web search finds
> e.g.
> https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/world-war-two
> -in-western-europe/britains-home-front-in-world-war-two/home-guar
> d/ which talks about drilling with broomsticks.
>
This is more recent than WWII, but it doesn't surprise me there's
precedent.

--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On 9/28/2022 10:48 AM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:24:02 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> "Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:th1vos$dgu2$1...@dont-email.me:
>>> On 28/09/2022 12.07, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>>> Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd...@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>>>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb
>>>>>>> that just disperses radioactive material but that's not a
>>>>>>> good weapon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of
>>>>>> course, Putin is, these days, more terrorist than head of
>>>>>> state anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20
>>>>> or 30 bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the
>>>>> middle of the night. Not in military topics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of
>>>>> doing what he wants nor in planning military operations
>>>>> (overlooking logistics is typical of inexperience in this
>>>>> area) nor (as I expect we shall soon see) in micromanaging the
>>>>> forces.
>>>>
>>>> The actuality is far more nuanced. Back in 2008, to save
>>>> funds, the former soviet training systems were discontinued and
>>>> the conscription system was reduced to one year of service.
>>>> That's led directly to a force consisting of soldiers with very
>>>> limited training and a very small pool of reservists (who,
>>>> unlike the reservists in the USA, don't have recurring training
>>>> operations).
>>>
>>> Last week, _All Things Considered_ interviewed a Russian who was
>>> officially a reservist and therefore subject to La Puta's
>>> activation order. When describing his training, he said that he
>>> had held a machine gun. Not fired, just held.
>> Who was it that had training excercies, that wouldn't pony up even
>> for blanks, and just had the traineers yell BANG! The Brits?
>> Somebody.
>> --
>> Terry Austin
>>
>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>> -- David Bilek
>>
>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
> Could be from the UK (and Commonwealth) Home Guard trying to train with a severe shortage of equipment - a web search finds e.g. https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/world-war-two-in-western-europe/britains-home-front-in-world-war-two/home-guard/ which talks about drilling with broomsticks.

The US Army in the 1930's trained with wooden guns and machine guns and
"tanks" that were canvas shells on trucks.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

In article <XnsAF2069C9420CCtaustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>Who was it that had training excercies, that wouldn't pony up even
>for blanks, and just had the traineers yell BANG! The Brits?
>Somebody.

(Hal Heydt)
There is, IIRC, a early WW2 Bill Mauldin cartoon of US trainees
drilling with broomsticks owing to a shortage or rifles.

On Tuesday, September 20, 2022 at 7:07:14 AM UTC-6, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 19/09/2022 20.14, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> > On 9/19/2022 5:40 PM, Magewolf wrote:
> >> On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:53:33 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:
>
> >> Can we give the authoritarian neo-puritan left to china instead?
> >
> > Especially the ones in Martha's Vineyard that refused to help those poor refugees.
> Don't let the facts get in the way of your blind hatred:
>
>
> [...] "Given that they were suddenly dropped in Martha's Vineyard
> it's hard for a lot of folks to create a plan given how quickly they
> were transferred. Not a moment's notice to craft that plan,"
> said Rosenfeld.
>
> <https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/refugee-groups-help-migrants-relocated-marthas-vineyard-florida/>
>
>
> On Wednesday afternoon when two planes arrived unannounced at Martha’s
> Vineyard Airport carrying the migrants and refugees, Island social
> services, public safety, school officials, and volunteers sprung into
> action creating a temporary shelter at St. Andrew’s Church in Edgartown.
> That was always seen as a short-term solution because of the crowded
> conditions and lack of facilities at the church and its rectory.
>
> <https://www.mvtimes.com/2022/09/19/marthas-vineyard-remains-national-spotlight/>
>
>
> Volunteers on the island rallied to provide clothing, shoes, food,
> and interpreters after the refugees’ arrival. The ordeal has garnered
> national attention, as state and federal officials scramble to find
> answers on the circumstances of the flights.
>
> “While Wednesday’s arrival on Martha’s Vineyard was unexpected, the
> extraordinary response was not,” Public Safety and Security Secretary
> Terrence Reidy said in a statement.
>
> <https://www.wpri.com/new-england/massachusetts/venezuelan-refugees-moved-from-marthas-vineyard-to-cape-cod/>

I had come across this video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQxxzxQZD1k

but I see someone already pointed out the facts.

John Savard

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:20:15 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 28/09/2022 12.07, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
>>> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:
>
>>>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb that
>>>>> just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good weapon
>>>>>
>>>> Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of course, Putin
>>>> is, these days, more terrorist than head of state anyway.
>>>
>>> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20 or 30
>>> bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the middle of the
>>> night. Not in military topics.
>>>
>>> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of doing what
>>> he wants nor in planning military operations (overlooking logistics is
>>> typical of inexperience in this area) nor (as I expect we shall soon
>>> see) in micromanaging the forces.
>>
>> The actuality is far more nuanced. Back in 2008, to save funds, the
>> former soviet training systems were discontinued and the conscription
>> system was reduced to one year of service. That's led directly
>> to a force consisting of soldiers with very limited training and
>> a very small pool of reservists (who, unlike the reservists in the
>> USA, don't have recurring training operations).
>
>Last week, _All Things Considered_ interviewed a Russian who was
>officially a reservist and therefore subject to La Puta's activation
>order. When describing his training, he said that he had held a machine
>gun. Not fired, just held.
>
>Because he had a degree, he was commissioned as a lieutenant.

Probably the safest course (for his fellow soldiers), unless Russian
lieutenants regularly fire machine guns.

And, if the reports of at least one 60-year-old never-been-in-the-Army
diabetic being called up are correct, it appears that the Soviet Draft
System is also ... thoroughly Putinized.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:35:40 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
<dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

>On 9/28/2022 10:48 AM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 6:24:02 PM UTC+1, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>> "Michael F. Stemper" <michael...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:th1vos$dgu2$1...@dont-email.me:
>>>> On 28/09/2022 12.07, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Paul S Person <pspe...@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>>>>>> Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd...@googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb
>>>>>>>> that just disperses radioactive material but that's not a
>>>>>>>> good weapon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of
>>>>>>> course, Putin is, these days, more terrorist than head of
>>>>>>> state anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20
>>>>>> or 30 bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the
>>>>>> middle of the night. Not in military topics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of
>>>>>> doing what he wants nor in planning military operations
>>>>>> (overlooking logistics is typical of inexperience in this
>>>>>> area) nor (as I expect we shall soon see) in micromanaging the
>>>>>> forces.
>>>>>
>>>>> The actuality is far more nuanced. Back in 2008, to save
>>>>> funds, the former soviet training systems were discontinued and
>>>>> the conscription system was reduced to one year of service.
>>>>> That's led directly to a force consisting of soldiers with very
>>>>> limited training and a very small pool of reservists (who,
>>>>> unlike the reservists in the USA, don't have recurring training
>>>>> operations).
>>>>
>>>> Last week, _All Things Considered_ interviewed a Russian who was
>>>> officially a reservist and therefore subject to La Puta's
>>>> activation order. When describing his training, he said that he
>>>> had held a machine gun. Not fired, just held.
>>> Who was it that had training excercies, that wouldn't pony up even
>>> for blanks, and just had the traineers yell BANG! The Brits?
>>> Somebody.
>>> --
>>> Terry Austin
>>>
>>> "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
>>> -- David Bilek
>>>
>>> Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
>> Could be from the UK (and Commonwealth) Home Guard trying to train with a severe shortage of equipment - a web search finds e.g. https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/world-war-two-in-western-europe/britains-home-front-in-world-war-two/home-guard/ which talks about drilling with broomsticks.
>
>The US Army in the 1930's trained with wooden guns and machine guns and
>"tanks" that were canvas shells on trucks.

To be fair, wooden guns and machines are a /lot/ safer than the real
thing. [1]

And we weren't fighting anybody at the time.

And there was a Depression going on.

[1] In Basic, we had an "infiltration course" which involved
low-crawling under barbed wire while /live machineguns/ fired over our
heads. We were advised to not get up under any circumstances,
especially at the end of the course, because, while the bullets were
10 feet above the surface when we started, they were significantly
closer to the ground at the end.

It goes without saying that, about half-way through, we were "helped"
with "friendly screening smoke" which was combined with CN (tear gas).
This was no surprise.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:22:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
>news:2b%YK.151317$w35c.69991@fx47.iad:
>
>> The soviet system has never generated the type of NCO regime
>> used in western militaries, which is where the bulk of the
>> institutional knowledge is contained, and from which most of the
>> unit-level leadership skills are developed.
>>
>Doing so would conflict directly with their strategic doctrine. They
>don't *trust* the lower level people to be politically reliable
>enough to be allowed any kind of iniative.
>
>For good reason.

I'm amazed that they allow the lower level people to actually have
live ammo. The temptation to use it on their officers/NCOs must be
quite strong.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:20:40 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote in
>news:ljs8jhh7lmjg29n03b9r4061uivhceelci@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2022 11:28:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
>> Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:d7a38641-e26d-4fdd-84c5-558c6709c278n@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:18:44 AM UTC+10, Jibini
>>>> Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>>>> And the fuel used in reactors *can't* be used for nuclear
>>>>> bombs. It's not enriched enough.
>>>>
>>>> Not for standard nukes, it can be used to make a dirty bomb
>>>> that just disperses radioactive material but that's not a good
>>>> weapon
>>>>
>>>Useful for terrorism, but not for military purposes. Of course,
>>>Putin is, these days, more terrorist than head of state anyway.
>>
>> As former KGB, Putin's expertise lies in gathering together 20
>> or 30 bully boys and sending them out to arrest people in the
>> middle of the night. Not in military topics.
>
>And clearly, nobody in the human race could possibly learn
>*anything* new on *any* subect in the space of 31 years, eh?

Of course /some/ people manage to learn new things over time, but what
makes you think Putin is capable of doing so? "Once KGB, always KGB".
>> Neither in building up an Armed Forces structure capable of
>> doing what he wants nor in planning military operations
>> (overlooking logistics is typical of inexperience in this area)
>> nor (as I expect we shall soon see) in micromanaging the forces.
>
>Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but until this year, pretty much
>everybody, everywhere, especially people who know more about it
>than either of us, thought he had the second most powerful military
>in the world. Certianly, it was build over the course of 30+ years
>according to long standing Soviet/Russian doctrine. The biggest
>flaw, of course, is that one of the core values of that doctrine is
>to embezzle as much as possible as often as possible. (There are
>other, strategic, flaws in it as well, but the corruption is, by
>far, the worst.)

I certainly did. I was amazed at how well the Ukrainians did
initially.

And happy. Very very happier. The only thing better would have for
Putin to have given up and gone home after the second week.
>> Now that Tsar Putin is holed up in his Winter Palace (which I
>> trust we know the location of from our various satellites), the
>> only question is: has he started moving /imaginary/ armies
>> around (as Adolph did, when the walls closed in at the end) yet?
>
>Personally, I believe he's far too busy worrying about
>assassination, by his own people. Or the every growing mobs of
>protestors deciding to engage in yet another long standing Russian
>tradition, of human wave attacks until there are no more security
>forces between them and him. (And if anybody understands poorly or
>un-armed human wave attacks against heavily armed enemies, it's
>Russians.)

It's a good thing Trump couldn't get enough people motivated for such
an attack on 1/6/21.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."