On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 04:23:39 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> >> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
> >> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> >> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> >> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
> >> >> >They are religious nationalists.
> >> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
> >> >
> >> >No. I don't think so.
> >> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
> >
> >I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.
> I don't have a sect.
You are not important. What you personally think is irrelevant. I was referring to the US sects, which is what I took you to represent. Unimportant and useless people can be representatives.
> >> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
> >> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
> >> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
> >> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
> >> They are evil and should be destroyed.
> >
> >You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far. Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
> >
> >> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
> >> >> Not in ethics.
> >> >
> >> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
> >> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
> >> Nope.
> >
> >They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
> >They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite fast
> >Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith such as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
> >
> >> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
> >> >They are not Indian yet!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
> >> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
> >> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
> >> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
> >> >> >> pocket?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
> >> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
> >> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
> >> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
> >> >
> >> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
> >> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
> >> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
> >> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
> >> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?
> >
> >> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
> >> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
> >
> >I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get nukes.
> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave them
> up.
> > Chances of WW3 is now less.
> >It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens will not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse viruses that could be set loose.
> >Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed by my experience while touring Russia.
> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar. Russia
> doesn't have a free press. Then again to disagree with Putin will get
> you 15 years in jail or killed.
No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.
And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.
A fine system, far better than US.
He is a Czar and Russia has different ways.
It works for most Russians and they like it this way.
All nations have their ways.
They need not follow other ways.
USA gets along fine with Saudi, China etc. where ways are also brutal.
> >Did Lincoln have a 80% approval rate in the North when he started the civil war?
> >Napoleon had a high approval rate. So did Hitler before WW2.
> >Don't know what will happen. Putin is taking strict security measures, so any assassin sent by your gods gotta be really good at his job. At least as good as Jason Bourne, etc. Will life follow "art"?
> What gods? Putin is a freak.
I meant devils.
Putin is wonderful, does his job, saves us from WW3.
> >> >
> >> >Cheers,
> >> >Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> >

On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 04:34:58 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:02:51 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:33:45 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> >> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
> >> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> >> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> >> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
No, US is a nation of pussies.

On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 05:33:30 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:33:45 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
> >> was
> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
> >> the case.
> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
> >> stopped earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
> >> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam
> >> or Japan.
> >> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
> >> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
> >> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
> >> >
> >> >Russia lost 20 million in the WW2 and if there is a WW3 with nukes,
> >> which is what Zelensky is asking for, they may lose 30-40 million.
> >> >Putin is attacking Ukraine to prevent that catastrophe.
> >> >The fool Zelensky has asked civilians to fight the Russians. Throw
> >> Molotov cocktails. He is fighting behind the civilians, so Putin says.
> >> >Obviously civilians will get killed in such strategies. They should be
> >> evacuated.
> >> >Sad, but rather you than I, is what Putin may say. Very american, what?
> >
> >> Putin is a freak, a very ugly freak, his policies that he is
> >> showing now, show he is much like Hitler and the Nazis.
>
> > He is, and has been, the International Hero fighting against the leaders
> > of the soulless, cunning, racist and bigoted
> > capitalist-imperialist-murderous-enslaving Western European countries
> > and the US.
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crased drunken fantasys.
Rod proves yet again what a lying arsehole he is.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 04:23:39 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> >> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
>> >> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> >> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> >> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> >> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>> >> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>> >> >
>> >> >No. I don't think so.
>> >> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>> >
>> >I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.
>> I don't have a sect.
>You are not important. What you personally think is irrelevant. I was referring to the US sects, which is what I took you to represent. Unimportant and useless people can be representatives.

What do you believe is a 'sect' what are they called?

>> >> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>> >> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>> >> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911 explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>> >> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil. Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
>> >> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>> >
>> >You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far. Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>> >
>> >> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> >> >> Not in ethics.
>> >> >
>> >> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and divorces are the natural outcomes.
>> >> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>> >> Nope.
>> >
>> >They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>> >They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite fast
>> >Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith such as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>> >
>> >> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics. Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>> >> >They are not Indian yet!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> >> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> >> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> >> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> >> >> >> pocket?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> >> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> >> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> >> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> >> >
>> >> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>> >> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of his hotels.
>> >> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over - totally - quite recently.
>> >> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>> >> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet and what more can one expect from any potus?
>> >
>> >> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>> >> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>> >
>> >I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get nukes.
>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave them
>> up.
>> > Chances of WW3 is now less.
>> >It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens will not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse viruses that could be set loose.
>> >Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed by my experience while touring Russia.
>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar. Russia
>> doesn't have a free press. Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>> you 15 years in jail or killed.
>No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.

Then go outside and yell the war must stop or peace now.

>And within the party there is freedom of thought so long as that is not treacherous.

Treacherous is to disagree with Putin.

>A fine system, far better than US.

No.

>He is a Czar and Russia has different ways.

Putin is a useless freak.

>It works for most Russians and they like it this way.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:31:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 04:34:58 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:02:51 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:33:45 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
>> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the case.
>> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> >> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated Vietnam or Japan.
>> >> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> >> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> >> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>No, US is a nation of pussies.

Some are. Yet Russia's defeat near Kiev shows what it is.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:13:28 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> out, stupid.
>>>>
>>>>> What has that to do with today?
>>>>
>>>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>>>
>>> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>>
>>Have fun showing that they are evil today.
>
> Putin and they support the war of aggression being done by Russia.
>You are rather desperate to support that freak, Putin.
>>
Biden and Obama started this around 2013

Yes Putin is maniacally murderous tyrant who thinks he is right
Enjoy WWIII and Joe Bidens crack pipe
Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate Joe Biden’s ‘ability to
f**k things up’

Obama and Biden were trying to gain control of Ukraine after the EU
low balled Ukraine compensation for becoming part of NATO and decided
to accept Russia's deal of a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
natural gas prices by almost a third.

The US forever changed the trajectory of Russia-Ukraine relations: The
2013 Russian trade deal was revoked, this pushed Russia into a similar
deal with China a few months later, and the following years were
filled with periodic announcements of Ukraine’s intentions to join
NATO accompanied with showy military exercises like the NATO-sponsored
‘Clear Sky’ event held in Ukraine in 2018.

Biden's Democrat control of US has forced Putin's hand to invade the
Ukraine, as the Democrat dirty tricks reappeared

This would not of happened under President Trump
--
Petzl
Australian's continue to vote for and believe slogans?

"My first act as Prime Minister will be to raise the speed limit, lower the
fines, cancel the tolls. ban any future virus lock downs.
Thank you " Anthony Albanese

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:58:52 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>That arsehole claimed that he wouldn't be invading.
>
> I didn't believe that for a second to have armies on 3 sides at the
>same time. Only an idiot would believe anything that Putin says. The
>guy has dementia.
>
Anyone or their media in Russia that says that is never seen again.

The Clintons have the same thing going in the USA
Heres a short list
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count
--
Petzl
Score So Far-

TRUMP:
-Unemployment Rate
-GDP
-Wage Growth
-# Blacks Employed
-# Hispanics Employed
-# Women Employed

OBAMA:
-Slick Speaking
-School Shootings
-ISIS Wins
-Homegrown Terror Events

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:18:48 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:11:59 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:48:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>>
>>>>>> You believe in devils?
>>>>
>>>>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>>>
>>>>Nope, its just another fairy story.
>>>>
>>>>There is no heaven or hell of you, just rotting in some
>>>>coffin or getting cremated and tossed in the bin.
>>>
>>> Prove it? I'd also like proof there is a god.
>>>
>>You don't consider intelligent design?
>
> I consider everything, what I don't do is not look at all the facts.
>The Bible has flaws, and even if it didn't, there is no proof other
>than a self-fulfilling prophecy, it is totally of God, the words of
>Paul seem to be very militaristic in nature, not like Jesus.
>
> There is also evidence of evolution. Dinosaurs aren't mentioned and
>we have fossils, how do you explain that?
>
Who knows, maybe all fossils were relics of Noah's flood?
There are also arguments about the accuracy of carbon dating!
--
Petzl
What perfect set of circumstances placed our Sun a
Celestial ball of fire at just the correct distance
from our little blue planet for life to evolve?
All simply conicidence?
The very fact we exist is nothing but the result of a
complex yet inevitable string of chemical accidents
and biological mutations?
There is no Grand meaning? There is no purpose?

If gravity was slightly more powerful
the universe would collapse into a bowl!
If gravity was less powerful the universe would fly apart,
there would be no stars no planets!

Gravity is precisely as strong as it needs to be!
If the ratio of the electromagnetic force to the
strong force wasn't 1% life wouldn't exist!

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:19:14 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:13:23 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:02 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:35:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:24:23 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>>>
>>>>> You believe in devils?
>>>>>
>>>>The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>>
>>>Doubt that.
>>>
>>The Devil is GOD's Angel.
>
> Yet he must have freewill.
>
Or part of God's plan?
Ask a Rabbi
--
Petzl
when man stops believing in God
it’s not that he believes in nothing;
it’s that they’ll believe in anything.
G. K. Chesterton

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To the Marxist freedom is a threat. BTW, did you see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Putin and Biden are photo shopped to hell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.vox.com/2015/6/17/8796659/vladimir-putin-shirtless-video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has had a breast reduction (he's been on steroids for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is sad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin has always been a bullying thug.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His installed crime gang stole all profitable industry and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> murdered
>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who had legitimate claim to them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/13/russia-putin-german-right-hand-man-matthias-warnig>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/y9aeg2xr
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Circles of power: Putin's secret friendship with ex-Stasi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After revelations of Russian president’s links to former
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chancellor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerhard Schröder, investigation sheds light on relationship
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> influential German businessman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bidens crime gang no different
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Very different, Biden has never had anyone murdered.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yep, if he had done, it would have been all over the news, just
>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>> Putin's was.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Putin is a idiot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Biden had someone killed they would report it as a suicide..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit, the press would be all over it. No one would believe the
>>>>>>>> report.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fox might be all over it. The liberal media lied about Hunter's
>>>>>>> laptop right before the election and are just now admitting it.
>>>>
>>>>>> That is nothing even remotely like murder.
>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter
>>>>
>>>> Corse it does, we are discussing whether Biden has
>>>> murdered anyone or has had anyone murdered.
>>
>>> I don't have access to that kind of iinfo.
>>
>> Your problem.
>>
>>> Do you?
>>
>> The world does.

> Then you are talking about the current news organizations?

Nope. Quite a bit of the time the detail is leaked
by one of the ex employees with a grudge etc or
the legal system, particularly in the USA.

We have just seen that with that stupid cow who ended
up last in the Libs Senate ticket, an unwinnable position.

> Pathetic.

Your sig is sposed to be last with a line with just -- on it in front of
it, fuckwit.

>>>>> does show integrity of journalism or lack of it.
>>
>>>> Hardly what you might call news.
>>
>>> Most news sources are biased.
>>
>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof
>> that you are drug crazed and drunk 24/7

>>>>>>> Social
>>>>>>> media banned people from even talking about it before the election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't happen with a murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, what you describe is done more on the left.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As Obama admitted, Biden fucks up everything he is ever involved
>>>>>>>>>> in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://welovetrump.com/2022/04/08/us-banks-flagged-more-than-150-biden-family-business-transactions/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ya7tjoun
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because some stupid trumpet claims something...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CBS digs into Hunter, James Biden scandal:Over 150
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'concerning'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bank
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transactions
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Be concerned, no one actually cares, they made him president
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to have a pole stuck up his ass to stand up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They even have a cosmetic mask put on the lying POS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pocket?

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 05:16:15 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:34:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:27:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:41:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:46:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Japan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. The most they did is self preservation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why would they support what is going on in Ukraine and how is
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> self-preservation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> out, stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What has that to do with today?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>>>>>
>>>>> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Have fun showing that they are evil today.
>>
>>> Putin and they support the war of aggression being done by Russia.

>> That arsehole claimed that he wouldn't be invading.

> I didn't believe that for a second to have armies on 3 sides at the
> same time. Only an idiot would believe anything that Putin says.

Just as true of the russian orthodox church in this situation.

> The guy has dementia.

Corse on the demented ever claim that their
troop massing is just military exercises, eh ?

>> It is very far from clear that whether they support the invasion
>> or not or even what lies they have been fed about the invasion
>> even if they do support it.

> You lack proper sources it seems.

Just what are you claiming is a proper source on that question ?

>>> You are rather desperate to support that freak, Putin.
>>
>> I have never ever supported Putin, you stupid drug
>> crazed drunken fuckwit.

> Then you are just a troll.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

> snipped for space.

Yep, just what you should be.

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 05:19:45 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 03:20:46 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 13:39:48 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:34:25 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 05:44:04 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>>>>>>>>>> happen, was
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>>>>> the case.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian
>>>>>>>>>>> butts.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>>>> or Japan.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have
>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >No. I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have a sect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so,
>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps.
>>>>>>>>>>> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists,
>>>>>>>>>>> selfish-greedy
>>>>>>>>>>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is
>>>>>>>>>>> tension.
>>>>>>>>>>> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say
>>>>>>>>>>> off-hand
>>>>>>>>>>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>>>>>>>>>>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>>>>>>>>>>> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions
>>>>>>>>>>> evil.
>>>>>>>>>>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to
>>>>>>>>>>> another.
>>>>>>>>>>> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so
>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Not in ethics.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever
>>>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>>>>>>>>>>> ethics
>>>>>>>>>>> for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>>>>>>>>>>> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or
>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower
>>>>>>>>>> classes
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>>>>>>>>>> They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and
>>>>>>>>>> dictatorship
>>>>>>>>>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship
>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>> fast
>>>>>>>>>> Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the
>>>>>>>>>> faith
>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>> as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>>>> upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not
>>>>>>>>>>> ethics.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan
>>>>>>>>>>> times.
>>>>>>>>>>> >They are not Indian yet!
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine
>>>>>>>>>>> image.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather
>>>>>>>>>>> disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>>> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in
>>>>>>>>>>> Putin's
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> pocket?
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get
>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>>>>>>>>>>> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> his hotels.
>>>>>>>>>>> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken
>>>>>>>>>>> over -
>>>>>>>>>>> totally - quite recently.
>>>>>>>>>>> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>>>>>>>>>>> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war
>>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>>>>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>>>>>>>>>>> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> nukes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chances of WW3 is now less.
>>>>>>>>>> It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it
>>>>>>>>>> happens
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even
>>>>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>>>>> viruses that could be set loose.
>>>>>>>>>> Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is
>>>>>>>>>> backed
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> my experience while touring Russia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So is Trump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Russia doesn't have a free press.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It never has had.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>>>>>>>>> you 15 years in jail or killed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More of your mindless bullshit with that woman
>>>>>>>> who held up a placard behind the news reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are a Putin lover.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong, as always. I think that Putin is a psychopath
>>>>>> and total arsehole who has those he decides are his
>>>>>> enemys murdered, has just invaded the Ukraine and who
>>>>>> gets no say on what the Ukraine does EU and NATO wise.
>>>>
>>>>> No you are a Putin lover and desire the atheist State called the
>>>>> USSR back.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it, fuckwit child.
>>>
>>> Your words do,
>>
>> You never could bullshit and lie your way out of
>> a wet paper bag, you stupid drug crazed drunken
>> lying arsehole fuckwit.

Some drug crased drunken curry muncher claiming to be
Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> spewed
reams of stinking curry muncher shit, all flushed where it belongs.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:12:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:58:52 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>That arsehole claimed that he wouldn't be invading.
>>
>> I didn't believe that for a second to have armies on 3 sides at the
>>same time. Only an idiot would believe anything that Putin says. The
>>guy has dementia.
>>
>Anyone or their media in Russia that says that is never seen again.

So true.
>
>The Clintons have the same thing going in the USA
>Heres a short list
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count

I have hoped that isn't true.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:06:00 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:13:28 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> out, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What has that to do with today?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>>>
>>>Have fun showing that they are evil today.
>>
>> Putin and they support the war of aggression being done by Russia.
>>You are rather desperate to support that freak, Putin.
>>>
>Biden and Obama started this around 2013
>
>Yes Putin is maniacally murderous tyrant who thinks he is right
>Enjoy WWIII and Joe Bidens crack pipe
>Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate Joe Biden’s ‘ability to
>f**k things up’
>
>Obama and Biden were trying to gain control of Ukraine after the EU
>low balled Ukraine compensation for becoming part of NATO and decided
>to accept Russia's deal of a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>natural gas prices by almost a third.
>
>
>The US forever changed the trajectory of Russia-Ukraine relations: The
>2013 Russian trade deal was revoked, this pushed Russia into a similar
>deal with China a few months later, and the following years were
>filled with periodic announcements of Ukraine’s intentions to join
>NATO accompanied with showy military exercises like the NATO-sponsored
>‘Clear Sky’ event held in Ukraine in 2018.

NATO would never invade Russia unless they attacked first..
>
>
>Biden's Democrat control of US has forced Putin's hand to invade the
>Ukraine, as the Democrat dirty tricks reappeared
>
>This would not of happened under President Trump

Maybe.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:19:26 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:18:48 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:11:59 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:48:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You believe in devils?
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, its just another fairy story.
>>>>>
>>>>>There is no heaven or hell of you, just rotting in some
>>>>>coffin or getting cremated and tossed in the bin.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it? I'd also like proof there is a god.
>>>>
>>>You don't consider intelligent design?
>>
>> I consider everything, what I don't do is not look at all the facts.
>>The Bible has flaws, and even if it didn't, there is no proof other
>>than a self-fulfilling prophecy, it is totally of God, the words of
>>Paul seem to be very militaristic in nature, not like Jesus.
>>
>> There is also evidence of evolution. Dinosaurs aren't mentioned and
>>we have fossils, how do you explain that?
>>
>Who knows, maybe all fossils were relics of Noah's flood?

Doubt that in where they are found.
'
>There are also arguments about the accuracy of carbon dating!
There are also arguments about the accuracy of the Bible.

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:21:18 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:19:14 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:13:23 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:02 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:35:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:24:23 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You believe in devils?
>>>>>>
>>>>>The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>>>
>>>>Doubt that.
>>>>
>>>The Devil is GOD's Angel.
>>
>> Yet he must have freewill.
>>
>Or part of God's plan?

No that isn't so if Satan lacks freewill then all he does is God's
doing and then God is evil. Though I doubt REV is accurate.

>Ask a Rabbi

Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 15:31:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 04:34:58 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 04:02:51 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:33:45 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 02:04:29 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> >> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>>> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>>> the
>>> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>>> Ukraine.
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>>> >> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>>> happen, was
>>> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>>> exactly the case.
>>> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>>> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>>> >> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>>> Vietnam or Japan.
>>> >> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>>> >> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of
>>> this
>>> >> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> No, US is a nation of pussies.
>
> Some are. Yet Russia's defeat near Kiev shows what it is.

Just has a military system that is stupid enough to
use paratroopers with light weight APCs there and
too stupid to work out that modern anti tank missiles
like the Javalin and NLAW mean that their main battle
tanks are useless when the opposition has those.

They are estimated to have lost 700 of those in just 6 weeks,
getting on for 10% of all they have of those and too stupid
to even be able to suppy them with fuel quite a bit of the time.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> out, stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What has that to do with today?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>>>>
>>>> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>>>
>>> Have fun showing that they are evil today.
>>
>> Putin and they support the war of aggression being done by Russia.

>> You are rather desperate to support that freak, Putin.

> Biden and Obama started this around 2013

Nope, Putin did when he sent unbadged russian troops into
the Ukraine when it became clear that the Ukraine wanted to
join the EU and tell Putin to shove his alternative up his arse.

> Yes Putin is maniacally murderous tyrant who thinks he is right

> Enjoy WWIII

Nothing even remotely like WW3, just like the Gulf War wasnt either.

> and Joe Bidens crack pipe

Your's actually.

> Barack Obama once warned not to underestimateJoe Biden’s ‘ability to
> f**k things up’

But he didn't do that then with the Ukraine.

Obama was driving the bus then.

> Obama and Biden were trying to gain control of Ukraine

BULLSHIT.

> after the EU low balled Ukraine compensation forbecoming part of NATO
> and decided to acceptRussia's deal of a $15 billion loan and to cut
> Russian natural gas prices by almost a third.

More bullshit.

> The US forever changed the trajectory of Russia-Ukraine relations:

More bullshit.

> The 2013 Russian trade deal was revoked,

Not by the USA.

> this pushed Russia into a similar
> deal with China a few months later, and the following years were
> filled with periodic announcements of Ukraine’s intentions to join
> NATO

To join the EU, actually. Which is the right thing
for them to choose to do because it is vastly more
successful than russia. Russian GDP doesnt even
beat the UK's, let alone the entire EU.

> accompanied with showy military exercises like the NATO-sponsored
> ‘Clear Sky’ event held in Ukraine in 2018.

More of your mindless bullshit. That was never NATO sponsored.

And even if it was, that is none of Putin's business anyway.

> Biden's Democrat control of US has forced Putin's hand toinvade the
> Ukraine, as the Democrat dirty tricks reappeared

More of your mindless bullshit.

> This would not of happened under President Trump

More of your mindless bullshit.How odd that the unbadged russian troops
did;

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote

>>> That arsehole claimed that he wouldn't be invading.

>> I didn't believe that for a second to have armies on 3 sides at the
>> same time. Only an idiot would believe anything that Putin says. The
>> guy has dementia.

> Anyone or their media in Russia that says that is never seen again.

That is bullshit with that woman that held up a banner behind the new
reader on the TV news.

> The Clintons have the same thing going in the USA

Bullshit.

> Heres a short list
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count

Just because some fool claims something...

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:19:26 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:18:48 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:11:59 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:42 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 09:48:03 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You believe in devils?
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, its just another fairy story.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no heaven or hell of you, just rotting in some
>>>>> coffin or getting cremated and tossed in the bin.
>>>>
>>>> Prove it? I'd also like proof there is a god.
>>>>
>>> You don't consider intelligent design?
>>
>> I consider everything, what I don't do is not look at all the facts.
>> The Bible has flaws, and even if it didn't, there is no proof other
>> than a self-fulfilling prophecy, it is totally of God, the words of
>> Paul seem to be very militaristic in nature, not like Jesus.
>>
>> There is also evidence of evolution. Dinosaurs aren't mentioned and
>> we have fossils, how do you explain that?

> Who knows, maybe all fossils were relics of Noah's flood?

There never was any such animal and it never happened here.

> There are also arguments about the accuracy of carbon dating!

But not about the fact that we know that humans have been around for far
longer than the claimed fairy story of Noah's flood that never happened.

And we know that it isn't even possible for all the animals we
have today to have bred from just a single pair at that time.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:24:04 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:12:46 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:58:52 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>That arsehole claimed that he wouldn't be invading.
>>>
>>> I didn't believe that for a second to have armies on 3 sides at the
>>>same time. Only an idiot would believe anything that Putin says. The
>>>guy has dementia.
>>>
>>Anyone or their media in Russia that says that is never seen again.
>
> So true.
>

Poison is Putin's favorite method, told he draws name out of hat to
select those that have told the truth about him. You think Rod Speed's
name is in that hat?
Won't be the first time Russian operatives have murdered a Australian
in Australia and gotten away with it!
So much for the ANZUS treaty?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZUS>
It provides that an armed attack on any of the three parties would be
dangerous to the others, and that each should act to meet the common
threat. It set up a committee of foreign ministers that can meet for
consultation.
****************
Fell apart when the USA and Australia aided France to bomb the Green
Peace ship Rainbow Warrior in Auckland!
Green Peace was sending the ship to stop nuclear tests in the French
owned pacific Islands!
>>
>>The Clintons have the same thing going in the USA
>>Heres a short list
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count
>
> I have hoped that isn't true.
>
Well enter the "USA Mega Lottery®" and dream, dream, dream!
--
Petzl
Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
"The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
the religion of Christ."

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:19:14 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:13:23 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 19:39:02 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:35:52 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:24:23 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> oops, should be devils, not gods!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You believe in devils?
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Devil of our bible does GOD's dirty work!
>>>>
>>>> Doubt that.
>>>>
>>> The Devil is GOD's Angel.
>>
>> Yet he must have freewill.
>>
> Or part of God's plan?

Yeah, like yawning when 6M of that arsehole's chosen
people were all shot, gassed and crimated or buried
because the buggers stopped grovelling properly.

> Ask a Rabbi

Fuck that.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

> On Tuesday, 12 April 2022 at 04:23:39 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 02:20:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, 11 April 2022 at 13:36:55 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 01:55:40 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 15:40:10 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 22:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, 10 April 2022 at 03:00:33 UTC+10, Mattb wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>> Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>> happen, was
>> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>> the case.
>> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>> stopped earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yet, but not enough, even so, they are kicking Russian butts.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Just annoying them with the javelins and stingers.
>> >> >> >Russia is not treating them so far like the USAns treated
>> Vietnam or Japan.
>> >> >> >But as Mersheimer says, they will if they think they have to.
>> >> >> Russia is a nation of pussies and Putin is the next Hitler of this
>> >> >> century with his attacks on civilians.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> To the Marxist freedom is a threat.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Yes, but the Russians are not Marxists.
>> >> >> >They are religious nationalists.
>> >> >> I can see that as the Russian Orthodox Church is pure evil.
>> >> >
>> >> >No. I don't think so.
>> >> Yes it is. Evil is at its core.
>> >
>> >I will bet they will think the same about your sect whatever that is.

>> I don't have a sect.

> You are not important. What you personally think is irrelevant.

You in spades.

> I was referring to the US sects, which is what I took you to represent.

More fool you.

> Unimportant and useless people can be representatives.

You in spades.

>> >> >They are passionate and idealistic. They take Christianity in the
>> original sense, in the spirit of self-sacrifice, so they are not
>> materialistic. They are spiritual. Very serious; too much so, perhaps.
>> >> >That may not suit the modern atheists, materialists, selfish-greedy
>> sorts; and as they are so different from the ROC, there is tension.
>> >> >As to who is evil, and who is good, is impossible to say off-hand
>> unless we are talking about known devils like Bush2: used 911
>> explosions to fund his mates in wars and invasions.
>> >> >In certain positions one lot is good, and in other positions evil.
>> Depends upon point of view. A terrorist to one, is a hero to another.
>> >> They are evil and should be destroyed.
>> >
>> >You can try. Chaps who tried have not been too successful so far.
>> Except the Mongols, but that was a while ago.
>> >
>> >> >> >Quite the opposite of Marxism.
>> >> >> Not in ethics.
>> >> >
>> >> >In all its entirety, Western "civilization" (if that ever happens
>> it will be a good idea - as Gandhi once mentioned) has no use for
>> ethics for its own sake. It is based upon law and opportunism. Wars and
>> divorces are the natural outcomes.
>> >> >Marxism is the least ethical, true.
>> >> Nope.
>> >
>> >They do not believe in ethics. For them the notion of right or wrong
>> based upon traditional beliefs is conditioning of the lower classes by
>> the higher classes, for the latter to keep the former docile.
>> >They believe in classes, class struggle, class enemy and dictatorship
>> of the proletariat. Well, the last one turns into a dictatorship quite
>> fast
>> >Other sects have faith, and usually there are aspects in the faith
>> such as the ten commandments that have basis in ethics.
>> >
>> >> >Other Western religions support ethics when it suits. They are
>> based upon belief, relating to salvation in the afterlife - not ethics.
>> Ethics is not fundamental - never was even in their pagan times.
>> >> >They are not Indian yet!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > BTW, did you see that picture
>> >> >> >> of Putin on a horse? Putin needs a bra, big time.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >He tries to project the opposite of the drunken swine image.
>> >> >> He looks like a pregnant pig with those tits. Rather disgusting.
>> >> >Yeltsin was preferable to him, what?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> BTW thought progressives and Marxists said Trump was in Putin's
>> >> >> >> pocket?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Who knows. I thought he was in Twitter's tweeting.
>> >> >> >When that balloon burst, he was stuffed.
>> >> >> Trump is a idiot, he also let the media control him and get him
>> >> >> going. Ego problem but then Putin has that also.
>> >> >
>> >> >Trump has some genuine American qualities, that I admire.
>> >> >I saw a photo of him handling the luggage of some guests to one of
>> his hotels.
>> >> >Now that is what made America what it was. Scums have taken over -
>> totally - quite recently.
>> >> >My respects for him. He is USA's best hope.
>> >> >Biden is also good - at least he has not started a nuclear war yet
>> and what more can one expect from any potus?
>> >
>> >> Putin the freak made threats of Nuclear war and he is one sick
>> >> bastard. Maybe one of his own people will kill Putin off.
>> >
>> >I doubt it. They probably feel more safe now that Ukraine will not get
>> nukes.
>> Who said they were going to get Nukes? They had nukes and gave them
>> up.
>> > Chances of WW3 is now less.
>> >It is Zelensky that is asking for a world war, which if it happens
>> will not just be nuclear. There are weapons like Covid and even worse
>> viruses that could be set loose.
>> >Putin has a 80% approval rate, going by Gorbachov and that is backed
>> by my experience while touring Russia.
>> Putin is a war criminal and a freak and a total liar. Russia
>> doesn't have a free press. Then again to disagree with Putin will get
>> you 15 years in jail or killed.

> No, they have a thriving democracy where opposition is allowed.

Nope, you get jailed on trumped up charges
or murdered when the opposion leader.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 18:25:44 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 09:06:00 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:13:28 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> The self preservation was way back when Stalin was trying to stamp
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> out, stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What has that to do with today?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the evidence that they arent evil, fuckwit.
>>>>>
>>>>> No that is not evidence of what they are today, but in the past.
>>>>
>>>>Have fun showing that they are evil today.
>>>
>>> Putin and they support the war of aggression being done by Russia.
>>>You are rather desperate to support that freak, Putin.
>>>>
>>Biden and Obama started this around 2013
>>
>>Yes Putin is maniacally murderous tyrant who thinks he is right
>>Enjoy WWIII and Joe Bidens crack pipe
>>Barack Obama once warned not to underestimate Joe Biden’s ‘ability to
>>f**k things up’
>>
>>Obama and Biden were trying to gain control of Ukraine after the EU
>>low balled Ukraine compensation for becoming part of NATO and decided
>>to accept Russia's deal of a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>>natural gas prices by almost a third.
>>
>>
>>The US forever changed the trajectory of Russia-Ukraine relations: The
>>2013 Russian trade deal was revoked, this pushed Russia into a similar
>>deal with China a few months later, and the following years were
>>filled with periodic announcements of Ukraine’s intentions to join
>>NATO accompanied with showy military exercises like the NATO-sponsored
>>‘Clear Sky’ event held in Ukraine in 2018.
>
>NATO would never invade Russia unless they attacked first..
>
The Russian's are bullshiting on their nuclear capability.
They have done since the end of WWII
They do not have the ability to react, which has to be done in seconds
>>
>>
>>Biden's Democrat control of US has forced Putin's hand to invade the
>>Ukraine, as the Democrat dirty tricks reappeared
>>
>>This would not of happened under President Trump
>
>Maybe.
>
No maybe about it!
Trump ended the Obama/Biden administration destabilizing of the
Ukraine.
Putin acted before Biden could bring it back, even while President
Trump was in office the Obama/Biden/Clinton's were trying to turn the
Ukraine against Russia. Hence the Russians shooting down a Malay
airplane using un-badged Russian troops.

The Democrats love the money war gives their oligarchs.
Many of them RINO's
--
Petzl
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling
through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar
to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he
appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so
that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

- Marcus Tullius Cicero