On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:47:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 16, 2022 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <1DdPJ.156282$TXc5.86569@fx14.ams1>:
>
>> On 16/02/2022 20:00, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:07:02 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hn8p0zumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>
>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99% of the
>>>> users to switch to Windows!
>>>
>>> Yet you cannot show you can do simple tasks with Windows, nor even describe
>>> them.
>>
>>
>> Ha ha! :-D I'm sure he can.
>> In fact I *KNOW* he can!
>> He's quite a clever fellow, our Commander!
>
> He likely is able to, but never will for at least two reasons:
>
> 1) He knows if he did so it would offer more evidence for my position.
> 2) He is lazy.

I am not making a video about how to do something so simple. It's like asking me to explain why 2+2=4.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:44:37 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>
>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>
>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>
>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99%
>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>
>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford Cortina.
>>
>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of the new ones!
>
> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was informative of
> Window and Macs.
>
> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things were. Why not
> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels be so split
> up?

ROFL! Remember when Macs couldn't copy and paste files? They insisted on this silly drag and drop! Most people do not have multiple things on display at once, that requires a very large screen or multiple monitors.

> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
> could not be this easy on Windows.
>
> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
> teaching.

I found the exact opposite with every single user I dealt with. Windows was easy to work out, Mac was just too weird. I think I understand the difference in our experiences. Macs sell better in America, where the average IQ is lower. I see Macs as a Mickey Mouse computer, oversimplified. Intelligent adults therefore have difficulty with them. Whereas Americans can't understand Windows.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 16/02/2022 19:44, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>
>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99%
>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>
>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford Cortina.
>>>
>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of the new ones!
>>
>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was informative of
>> Window and Macs.
>>
>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things were. Why not
>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels be so split
>> up?
>>
>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>
>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
>> teaching.
>
> You and I are fortunate to be able to use ANY operating system we
> choose. Some folk get stuck in a rut.
>
> The one thing I find irritable about my Linux software is that I keep
> heading to the top left to close a window (as per my macOS) only to find
> that the 'x' to close the window is in the top RIGHT corner.
> Ah! I remember! Microsoft Windows is like that too. <sigh>

Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and the other two on the right!

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:16:17 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 16/02/2022 20:15, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:59:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <YIcPJ.24894$wLv5.6957@fx13.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 16/02/2022 19:44, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99%
>>>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford Cortina.
>>>>>
>>>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of the new ones!
>>>>
>>>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was informative of
>>>> Window and Macs.
>>>>
>>>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things were. Why not
>>>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels be so split
>>>> up?
>>>>
>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>
>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
>>>> teaching.
>>>
>>> You and I are fortunate to be able to use ANY operating system we
>>> choose. Some folk get stuck in a rut.
>>
>> Agreed. And I have the uncommon history of first learning Macs, DOS, and Unix
>> all at the same time.
>
> That's when you were young and bright!

Are you saying Snit is now old and stupid?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 19:12:40 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 17/02/2022 16:48, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 2:16:17 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <BQdPJ.41360$5Ta3.15886@fx05.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 16/02/2022 20:15, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:59:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <YIcPJ.24894$wLv5.6957@fx13.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/02/2022 19:44, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99%
>>>>>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford Cortina.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of the new ones!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was informative of
>>>>>> Window and Macs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things were. Why not
>>>>>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels be so split
>>>>>> up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
>>>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
>>>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>
>>>>> You and I are fortunate to be able to use ANY operating system we
>>>>> choose. Some folk get stuck in a rut.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. And I have the uncommon history of first learning Macs, DOS, and Unix
>>>> all at the same time.
>>>
>>> That's when you were young and bright!
>>
>> True... and not gonna claim to be either now!
>
> :-)
>
>>>>> The one thing I find irritable about my Linux software is that I keep
>>>>> heading to the top left to close a window (as per my macOS) only to find
>>>>> that the 'x' to close the window is in the top RIGHT corner.
>>>>
>>>> On Linux that can often be changed.
>>>
>>> Any idea how?
>>
>> Do you know what distro and DE you are using?
>
> Mint 19 - Tricia?

Do not say to your wife "I'm just off to play with Tricia".

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 22:21:07 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 17/02/2022 21:52, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 12:12:40 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <I6xPJ.31338$wLv5.17570@fx13.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 17/02/2022 16:48, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 2:16:17 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <BQdPJ.41360$5Ta3.15886@fx05.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/02/2022 20:15, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:59:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <YIcPJ.24894$wLv5.6957@fx13.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 19:44, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99%
>>>>>>>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford Cortina.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of the new ones!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was informative of
>>>>>>>> Window and Macs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things were. Why not
>>>>>>>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels be so split
>>>>>>>> up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
>>>>>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
>>>>>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
>>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You and I are fortunate to be able to use ANY operating system we
>>>>>>> choose. Some folk get stuck in a rut.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. And I have the uncommon history of first learning Macs, DOS, and Unix
>>>>>> all at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's when you were young and bright!
>>>>
>>>> True... and not gonna claim to be either now!
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>>>>> The one thing I find irritable about my Linux software is that I keep
>>>>>>> heading to the top left to close a window (as per my macOS) only to find
>>>>>>> that the 'x' to close the window is in the top RIGHT corner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Linux that can often be changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea how?
>>>>
>>>> Do you know what distro and DE you are using?
>>>
>>> Mint 19 - Tricia?
>>
>> Found Mint 20 online. If you are using Mate I assume it is pretty much the
>> same:
>>
>> https://distrotest.net/index.php?module=systems&submodule=run&id=2110800
>>
>> Found it:
>>
>> Go to Control Center > Look and Feel > Desktop Settings > Windows
>>
>> From there you can find "Button Layout"
>>
>>
>> If you are using Cinnamon or something else let me know and I will look what I
>> can find.
>
> Another area I've not explored before! Thanks.
>
> That computer in question is switched off now in preparation to an
> impending storm!

Why turn that off and not this one?

On 22/02/2022 15:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 22:21:07 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 17/02/2022 21:52, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 12:12:40 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <I6xPJ.31338$wLv5.17570@fx13.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 17/02/2022 16:48, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 2:16:17 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <BQdPJ.41360$5Ta3.15886@fx05.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 20:15, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:59:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <YIcPJ.24894$wLv5.6957@fx13.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 19:44, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word?  whoosh^2 (squared - not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and paste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years.  And
>>>>>>>>>>> persuaded 99%
>>>>>>>>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford
>>>>>>>>>> Cortina.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of
>>>>>>>>>> the new ones!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was
>>>>>>>>> informative of
>>>>>>>>> Window and Macs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things
>>>>>>>>> were. Why not
>>>>>>>>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels
>>>>>>>>> be so split
>>>>>>>>> up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but
>>>>>>>>> overall they
>>>>>>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to
>>>>>>>>> know why things
>>>>>>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a
>>>>>>>>> bias of my
>>>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You and I are fortunate to be able to use ANY operating system we
>>>>>>>> choose. Some folk get stuck in a rut.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed. And I have the uncommon history of first learning Macs,
>>>>>>> DOS, and Unix
>>>>>>> all at the same time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's when you were young and bright!
>>>>>
>>>>> True... and not gonna claim to be either now!
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>>>>> The one thing I find irritable about my Linux software is that I
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> heading to the top left to close a window (as per my macOS) only
>>>>>>>> to find
>>>>>>>> that the 'x' to close the window is in the top RIGHT corner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Linux that can often be changed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any idea how?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you know what distro and DE you are using?
>>>>
>>>> Mint 19 - Tricia?
>>>
>>> Found Mint 20 online. If you are using Mate I assume it is pretty
>>> much the
>>> same:
>>>
>>> https://distrotest.net/index.php?module=systems&submodule=run&id=2110800
>>>
>>> Found it:
>>>
>>> Go to Control Center > Look and Feel > Desktop Settings > Windows
>>>
>>>  From there you can find "Button Layout"
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are using Cinnamon or something else let me know and I will
>>> look what I
>>> can find.
>>
>> Another area I've not explored before! Thanks.
>>
>> That computer in question is switched off now in preparation to an
>> impending storm!
>
> Why turn that off and not this one?

On 22/02/2022 15:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 19:12:40 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 17/02/2022 16:48, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 2:16:17 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <BQdPJ.41360$5Ta3.15886@fx05.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 16/02/2022 20:15, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:59:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <YIcPJ.24894$wLv5.6957@fx13.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 19:44, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>> <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word?  whoosh^2 (squared - not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and paste
>>>>>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually
>>>>>>>>>> TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years.  And
>>>>>>>>> persuaded 99%
>>>>>>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford Cortina.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of the
>>>>>>>> new ones!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was
>>>>>>> informative of
>>>>>>> Window and Macs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things were.
>>>>>>> Why not
>>>>>>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels
>>>>>>> be so split
>>>>>>> up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but
>>>>>>> overall they
>>>>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to
>>>>>>> know why things
>>>>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a
>>>>>>> bias of my
>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You and I are fortunate to be able to use ANY operating system we
>>>>>> choose. Some folk get stuck in a rut.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed. And I have the uncommon history of first learning Macs,
>>>>> DOS, and Unix
>>>>> all at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> That's when you were young and bright!
>>>
>>> True... and not gonna claim to be either now!
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>>>>> The one thing I find irritable about my Linux software is that I keep
>>>>>> heading to the top left to close a window (as per my macOS) only
>>>>>> to find
>>>>>> that the 'x' to close the window is in the top RIGHT corner.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Linux that can often be changed.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea how?
>>>
>>> Do you know what distro and DE you are using?
>>
>> Mint 19 - Tricia?
>
> Do not say to your wife "I'm just off to play with Tricia".

Haha! :-D

On 22/02/2022 15:01, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:16:17 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
[....]

>> That's when you were young and bright!
>
> Are you saying Snit is now old and stupid?

No, not at all. However, as I understand matters, Snit is considerably
older than he was when he was a College instructor and has suffered from
a number of medical conditions, not of his own making.

On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> [....]
> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
> the other two on the right!

I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
ones you experienced in the past.

On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:

> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> [....]
>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>> the other two on the right!
>
> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
> ones you experienced in the past.

Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.

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On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:52:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<9iaRJ.42726$wLv5.13327@fx13.ams1>:

> On 22/02/2022 15:01, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:16:17 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
> [....]
>
>>> That's when you were young and bright!
>>
>> Are you saying Snit is now old and stupid?
>
> No, not at all. However, as I understand matters, Snit is considerably
> older than he was when he was a College instructor and has suffered from
> a number of medical conditions, not of his own making.

I have not taught a college class in a few years, and, yes, I have a number of
medical conditions of which there is no cure and they are not of my own
making. No harm in sharing... I have an atypical form of POTS:

https://www.dinet.org/info/pots/pots-symptoms-diagnosis-and-prognosis-r96/

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On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>> [....]
>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>> the other two on the right!
>>
>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>> ones you experienced in the past.
>
> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.

The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
progress past El Capitan (IIRC)

On Feb 22, 2022 at 7:59:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hzykmgnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:44:37 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>
>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99%
>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>
>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford Cortina.
>>>
>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of the new ones!
>>
>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was informative of
>> Window and Macs.
>>
>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things were. Why not
>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels be so split
>> up?
>
> ROFL! Remember when Macs couldn't copy and paste files? They insisted on this
> silly drag and drop!

They handled drag and drop better than Windows. They still do.

> Most people do not have multiple things on display at once, that requires a
> very large screen or multiple monitors.

There was value to adding copy and paste for files, but it was not that big of
a deal. Things like spring loaded folders made dragging to "deeper" areas not
that hard. I still use that more than I use copy and paste... it is more
visual and I can do it with tabs and the like. But both are fine.

>
>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>
>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
>> teaching.
>
> I found the exact opposite with every single user I dealt with. Windows was
> easy to work out, Mac was just too weird.

And yet you refuse to make a video or show any examples of where you think
Windows handles things better.

> I think I understand the difference in our experiences. Macs sell better in
> America, where the average IQ is lower. I see Macs as a Mickey Mouse computer,
> oversimplified.

Making things easier is what computers are meant to do. Why make things more
complex than they need to be?

> Intelligent adults therefore have difficulty with them. Whereas Americans
> can't understand Windows.

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On Feb 22, 2022 at 7:55:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hzyeydemvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:47:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <1DdPJ.156282$TXc5.86569@fx14.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 16/02/2022 20:00, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:07:02 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1hn8p0zumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>
>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99% of the
>>>>> users to switch to Windows!
>>>>
>>>> Yet you cannot show you can do simple tasks with Windows, nor even describe
>>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ha ha! :-D I'm sure he can.
>>> In fact I *KNOW* he can!
>>> He's quite a clever fellow, our Commander!
>>
>> He likely is able to, but never will for at least two reasons:
>>
>> 1) He knows if he did so it would offer more evidence for my position.
>> 2) He is lazy.
>
> I am not making a video about how to do something so simple. It's like asking
> me to explain why 2+2=4.

More of your excuses... backing what I say. It is so simple you cannot show or
describe how simple it is. Nope. Don't buy it. Not for a second. It is based
on your feelings, not on evidence.

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On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:

> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>
>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>
>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>
>
> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)

Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
figure!

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On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>
>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>
>>
>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>
> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
> figure!

I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!

On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<YXaRJ.35647$EjU2.10121@fx07.ams1>:

> On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>
>>>
>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>
>> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
>> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
>> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
>> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
>> figure!
>
> I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!

Macs came out in 1984, but they had the Apple II systems before that. My
family had an Apple IIe -- my brother's but I got to use it. I really like
AppleWorks -- a word processor, spreadsheet, and database combo.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 22/02/2022 22:11, Snit wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <YXaRJ.35647$EjU2.10121@fx07.ams1>:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>
>>> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
>>> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
>>> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
>>> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
>>> figure!
>>
>> I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!
>
> Macs came out in 1984, but they had the Apple II systems before that. My
> family had an Apple IIe -- my brother's but I got to use it. I really like
> AppleWorks -- a word processor, spreadsheet, and database combo.

My mistake - I should have said Apple computer.

I saw a spreadsheet being demonstrated - I was hooked! :-)

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:43:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/02/2022 15:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 22:21:07 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/02/2022 21:52, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 12:12:40 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <I6xPJ.31338$wLv5.17570@fx13.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 16:48, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 2:16:17 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <BQdPJ.41360$5Ta3.15886@fx05.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 20:15, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:59:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <YIcPJ.24894$wLv5.6957@fx13.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 19:44, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and paste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> persuaded 99%
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford
>>>>>>>>>>> Cortina.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of
>>>>>>>>>>> the new ones!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was
>>>>>>>>>> informative of
>>>>>>>>>> Window and Macs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things
>>>>>>>>>> were. Why not
>>>>>>>>>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels
>>>>>>>>>> be so split
>>>>>>>>>> up?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but
>>>>>>>>>> overall they
>>>>>>>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to
>>>>>>>>>> know why things
>>>>>>>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a
>>>>>>>>>> bias of my
>>>>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You and I are fortunate to be able to use ANY operating system we
>>>>>>>>> choose. Some folk get stuck in a rut.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed. And I have the uncommon history of first learning Macs,
>>>>>>>> DOS, and Unix
>>>>>>>> all at the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's when you were young and bright!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True... and not gonna claim to be either now!
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The one thing I find irritable about my Linux software is that I
>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>> heading to the top left to close a window (as per my macOS) only
>>>>>>>>> to find
>>>>>>>>> that the 'x' to close the window is in the top RIGHT corner.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Linux that can often be changed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any idea how?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you know what distro and DE you are using?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mint 19 - Tricia?
>>>>
>>>> Found Mint 20 online. If you are using Mate I assume it is pretty
>>>> much the
>>>> same:
>>>>
>>>> https://distrotest.net/index.php?module=systems&submodule=run&id=2110800
>>>>
>>>> Found it:
>>>>
>>>> Go to Control Center > Look and Feel > Desktop Settings > Windows
>>>>
>>>> From there you can find "Button Layout"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are using Cinnamon or something else let me know and I will
>>>> look what I
>>>> can find.
>>>
>>> Another area I've not explored before! Thanks.
>>>
>>> That computer in question is switched off now in preparation to an
>>> impending storm!
>>
>> Why turn that off and not this one?
>
> I turned this one off when I went to bed.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:17:30 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:52:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <9iaRJ.42726$wLv5.13327@fx13.ams1>:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 15:01, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:16:17 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>> [....]
>>
>>>> That's when you were young and bright!
>>>
>>> Are you saying Snit is now old and stupid?
>>
>> No, not at all. However, as I understand matters, Snit is considerably
>> older than he was when he was a College instructor and has suffered from
>> a number of medical conditions, not of his own making.
>
> I have not taught a college class in a few years, and, yes, I have a number of
> medical conditions of which there is no cure and they are not of my own
> making. No harm in sharing... I have an atypical form of POTS:
>
> https://www.dinet.org/info/pots/pots-symptoms-diagnosis-and-prognosis-r96/

I never cease to be amazed at how many illnesses we can't cure in the 21st century.

BTW, POTS here means Plain Old Telephone Service. An engineer calls it that if there is no digital internet on it.

On 23/02/2022 16:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:43:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 15:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 22:21:07 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/02/2022 21:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 12:12:40 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <I6xPJ.31338$wLv5.17570@fx13.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 16:48, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 2:16:17 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <BQdPJ.41360$5Ta3.15886@fx05.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 20:15, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 12:59:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <YIcPJ.24894$wLv5.6957@fx13.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 19:44, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word?  whoosh^2 (squared - not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and paste
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years.  And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> persuaded 99%
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cortina.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the new ones!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was
>>>>>>>>>>> informative of
>>>>>>>>>>> Window and Macs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things
>>>>>>>>>>> were. Why not
>>>>>>>>>>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels
>>>>>>>>>>> be so split
>>>>>>>>>>> up?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but
>>>>>>>>>>> overall they
>>>>>>>>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to
>>>>>>>>>>> know why things
>>>>>>>>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a
>>>>>>>>>>> bias of my
>>>>>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You and I are fortunate to be able to use ANY operating system we
>>>>>>>>>> choose. Some folk get stuck in a rut.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Agreed. And I have the uncommon history of first learning Macs,
>>>>>>>>> DOS, and Unix
>>>>>>>>> all at the same time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's when you were young and bright!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> True... and not gonna claim to be either now!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The one thing I find irritable about my Linux software is that I
>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>> heading to the top left to close a window (as per my macOS) only
>>>>>>>>>> to find
>>>>>>>>>> that the 'x' to close the window is in the top RIGHT corner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Linux that can often be changed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any idea how?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you know what distro and DE you are using?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mint 19 - Tricia?
>>>>>
>>>>> Found Mint 20 online. If you are using Mate I assume it is pretty
>>>>> much the
>>>>> same:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://distrotest.net/index.php?module=systems&submodule=run&id=2110800
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Found it:
>>>>>
>>>>> Go to Control Center > Look and Feel > Desktop Settings > Windows
>>>>>
>>>>>  From there you can find "Button Layout"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using Cinnamon or something else let me know and I will
>>>>> look what I
>>>>> can find.
>>>>
>>>> Another area I've not explored before! Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> That computer in question is switched off now in preparation to an
>>>> impending storm!
>>>
>>> Why turn that off and not this one?
>>
>> I turned this one off when I went to bed.
>
> I don't concern myself with storms.  Anyway, my dad unplugged his in a
> storm, and the network card was still fried by lightning through the
> phone wire, which was also disconnected at the wall.  Lightning actually
> sends very small amounts through the house and a side fork can get
> picked up by a long wire.  The local youth club lost 4 soundcards due to
> lightning getting attracted to speaker leads.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:12:52 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:55:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hrxi9xdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:07:57 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 10:05:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hl8ftw5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:02:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:50:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hl7qlpymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 07:48:11 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 7:49:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1hj7gxsmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:25:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:52:41 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1hifp3a2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:55:57 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 12:38:08 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <B0UNJ.192005$_5r7.47265@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 18:04, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 1:30:00 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ceKNJ.19199$fGj4.2348@fx04.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 03:46, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used MK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They really should update THIS page:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/5vqGRNm (Screenshot)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one is fine:- https://www.videolan.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your advice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe they left in the OS X for folks with older systems or using older links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps they have. I did drop them an email about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Using OS X in 2022 is rather like folk using Windows 95 - best not to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> so, in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would agree it is better to use newer systems... though not all have access.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you never heard of piratebay?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have though I have not used it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your "not all have access" is incorrect. Everyone has access to piratebay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then your ISP reports you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Move out of fucked up America. In the UK it's only a civil offence, so the
>>>>>> worst that can happen is the copyright owner takes you to court and all they
>>>>>> can get is the cost of what you "stole". ISPs don't report you here. If they
>>>>>> did, you can always use a VPN. I can be from any country I wish. State my IP
>>>>>> address using only this post.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the US you can pay more and lose your 'net access. I think.
>>>>
>>>> Land of the free, ROTFPMSL!
>>>
>>> It is amazing how many in the US insist we have more freedoms than any other
>>> people.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And your IP is shown when you use PirateBay... this is not PirateBay. You can
>>>>> use a VPN though.
>>>>
>>>> Yip, just pretend to live in India.
>>>
>>> I do not know much about India. If I pretended that I would quickly be called
>>> out on it not being true.
>>
>> Clearly I was talking about your IP, not your accent.
>
> When I make videos, the main IP I share, I make them with my accept.
>
> :)

Was that a poor attempt at Ingrish?

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:13:10 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:52:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hrxee1jmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:06:18 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hl75syjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste superscript
>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>
>>> What an odd way to express jealousy.
>>
>> It never ceases to amaze me how you can misunderstand things. Are you one of
>> those people who thinks homophobic people are homosexual?
>
> Evidence shows there is a correlation there.

Yeah.... people who hate something are that thing. What a crock of shit. So, everyone who thinks murderers are scum are murderers themselves?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:36:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 19, 2022 at 11:42:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1huowttdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:06:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hr4t7oemvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:30:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 11:46:33 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hmc3vnsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 07:48:58 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 7:53:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1hj7noy4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:30:50 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:55:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1hifuadzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No we're not. You're free to be safe if you want. But it's wrong to force
>>>>>>>>>> others to be safe if they don't want to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The standards are set and cannot be changed on a per-person situation. You go
>>>>>>>>> to the store to buy an apple... they are not going to have the apples which
>>>>>>>>> have had protections from regulations and the ones that have not. Or if they
>>>>>>>>> do they cannot for every product.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But I can buy the fake apples from China with no regulations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if they are found to be unsafe the seller will face consequences.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> China doesn't bother with that shit. Almost everything I buy from China is
>>>>>> unsafe.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have yet to point to the specific products.
>>>>
>>>> I have already, lightbulbs, battery chargers, anything that plugs in.
>>>
>>> But no specific product with a link to it on Amazon or the like so people can
>>> actually see if you found a product with no safety standards built into its
>>> design.
>>
>> I take that as a direct insult. You are accusing me of lying. I shall not
>> provide proof otherwise.
>
> I am noting you have offered no evidence. And now you are working to change
> the topic.

I'm not changing anything, I'm pointing out you don't beleive me.