On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:31:54 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 27, 2022 at 9:50:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h9c1zu6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:37:16 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:25:51 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h7j1dwlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:54:41 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:32:49 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1h2d8znlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:04:03 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>>>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>>>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>>>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>>>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>>>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>>>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>>>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>>>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>>>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>>>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But there's no great hurry. What was wrong with the old method of putting up
>>>>>> a notice asking the user to restart their own property when it's convenient?
>>>>>> Anyway I've thwarted their communism by fucking around with the services.
>>>>>
>>>>> With macOS (and Linux) you are asked.
>>>>
>>>> Almost makes you think MS are up to something....
>>>
>>> Or just not very competent at some basic things.
>>
>> They changed it. They didn't do that by accident. This isn't programming
>> incompetance, this is insane decisions.
>
> What is the benefit to them?

They claim it's to make sure people don't have security holes. I don't believe them. And security holes shouldn't be there in the first place. And it's not worth interrupting someone for a hole that probably won't leak.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:32:35 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 27, 2022 at 9:49:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h9c0vmdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:36:51 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:26:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h7j2e19mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:55:23 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:31:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1h2d7aqimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:13:36 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ditto... though I want to get a computer with Windows 11 just to play. Likely
>>>>>>> will eventually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get a second hand one if it's just for playing.
>>>>>
>>>>> That or just the cheapest I can find. Yeah, not likely going to spend 1/10th
>>>>> of what I will on an iMac.
>>>>
>>>> Why not spend the same then do a comparison, make some videos, write a big
>>>> report, and publish it everywhere?
>>>
>>> Report on what?
>>
>> The relative prices, usability, performance, whatever you like.
>
> If I like the idea of making such a video I very well might. Easier with a VM
> based on the better screencasting tools on macOS.
>
>>> I might do some videos on Windows if things jump out at me.
>>
>> I'll watch those when Youtube runs out of fail videos.
>
> Windows UI videos often are fail videos.

Not as funny as someone falling a great distance and breaking a bone.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:33:36 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 27, 2022 at 4:16:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h8xmi05mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:35:51 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:55:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h7leamlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:57:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:54:34 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1h2e88gtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:36:35 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/02/2022 22:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:04:03 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <nbyRJ.242545$_5r7.120632@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>>>>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Same with any system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm. Many folk using Windows are protected by a third-party
>>>>>>> anti-malware software program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All are, and all mac users aswell presumably, now you guys have admitted Macs
>>>>>> can indeed get viruses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who denied it was possible? It is less likely, but it is possible.
>>>>
>>>> About 15 years ago, many mac users boasted that Windows was full of viruses
>>>> and Macs had none. I pointed out that was because the user base was so small
>>>> there was no point in writing one.
>>>
>>> User base was small but users tended to be wealthier -- so the incentive was
>>> there.
>>
>> A virus that can steal money? Never heard of that. They just fuck about
>> usually.
>
> Malware is often about trying to get money from you.

Never heard of that.

In article <op.1iowaprjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> A virus that can steal money? Never heard of that. They just fuck about
> >> usually.
> >
> > Malware is often about trying to get money from you.
>
> Never heard of that.

the entire goal of ransomware is to extract money from people.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:50:36 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 28, 2022 at 8:50:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1ia4xsv1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>>>>> But no specific product with a link to it on Amazon or the like so people can
>>>>>>>>> actually see if you found a product with no safety standards built into its
>>>>>>>>> design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I take that as a direct insult. You are accusing me of lying. I shall not
>>>>>>>> provide proof otherwise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am noting you have offered no evidence. And now you are working to change
>>>>>>> the topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not changing anything, I'm pointing out you don't beleive me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have noted your failure to show any evidence. I do not think you are
>>>>> actively lying, but I do not know if you are accurate, and I suspect you are
>>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>> If you believe in me, you will accept my word.
>>>
>>> Your word is not the same as you showing evidence. Remember, I like evidence.
>>
>> But I have seen the evidence, you are doubting my word.
>
> I absolutely doubt your accuracy. Your claim is rather absurd... pretty much
> any product you get will be tied to some safety standards or regulations. And
> you have no evidence to back the idea they are not. Not a single product which
> fails to have any such standards. Not one.
>
> So, yes, I doubt your rather outrageous claim.

You are familiar with China?

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:56:59 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 28, 2022 at 7:31:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1ia1am2pmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:48:37 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 1:06:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h4zhjd7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:26:16 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:25:26 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1h2a4ox5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:13:10 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:52:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1hrxee1jmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:06:18 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1hl75syjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What an odd way to express jealousy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how you can misunderstand things. Are you one of
>>>>>>>> those people who thinks homophobic people are homosexual?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Evidence shows there is a correlation there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah.... people who hate something are that thing. What a crock of shit. So,
>>>>>> everyone who thinks murderers are scum are murderers themselves?
>>>>>
>>>>> You said nothing of the evidence... I doubt you are even aware of it.
>>>>
>>>> I do not believe utter shite. Think about it, how many people that hate
>>>> murderers are murderers?
>>>
>>> False equivalencies are false.
>>>
>>> Again: I am speaking of the evidence... a thing you tend to avoid.
>>
>> Did you not understand my analogy? People who hate X are not likely to be X.
>> If Mr smith was a homosexual, he wouldn't go around proclaiming they're all
>> evil, thats not in his best interests.
>
>
> I understand why your analogy is a side issue and not relevant... it is a
> false equivalency. And, again, I tend to go with evidence and not your gut
> feelings. Your gut feelings are not evidence.
>
> Here is one study:
>
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
> -----
> Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the
> homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
> -----
>
> This has been replicated and found repeatedly to be true.

Then everyone doing that study is a fucking moron. I've only ever met the following types of people:

1) Homosexuals who openly admit they are and like homosexuals.
2) Homosexuals who pretend not to be, but they're not going to say anything abd about their own kind.
3) Straight people who don't mind homosexuals.
4) Straight people who hate homosexuals.

So, only 4) will say anything bad about homosexuals, and they're straight.

On Mar 7, 2022 at 10:26:02 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1io5dou3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:56:59 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 28, 2022 at 7:31:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1ia1am2pmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:48:37 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 1:06:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1h4zhjd7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:26:16 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:25:26 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1h2a4ox5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:13:10 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:52:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.1hrxee1jmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:06:18 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hl75syjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What an odd way to express jealousy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how you can misunderstand things. Are you one of
>>>>>>>>> those people who thinks homophobic people are homosexual?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evidence shows there is a correlation there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah.... people who hate something are that thing. What a crock of shit. So,
>>>>>>> everyone who thinks murderers are scum are murderers themselves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said nothing of the evidence... I doubt you are even aware of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not believe utter shite. Think about it, how many people that hate
>>>>> murderers are murderers?
>>>>
>>>> False equivalencies are false.
>>>>
>>>> Again: I am speaking of the evidence... a thing you tend to avoid.
>>>
>>> Did you not understand my analogy? People who hate X are not likely to be X.
>>> If Mr smith was a homosexual, he wouldn't go around proclaiming they're all
>>> evil, thats not in his best interests.
>>
>>
>> I understand why your analogy is a side issue and not relevant... it is a
>> false equivalency. And, again, I tend to go with evidence and not your gut
>> feelings. Your gut feelings are not evidence.
>>
>> Here is one study:
>>
>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
>> -----
>> Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the
>> homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
>> -----
>>
>> This has been replicated and found repeatedly to be true.
>
> Then everyone doing that study is a fucking moron. I've only ever met the
> following types of people:
>
> 1) Homosexuals who openly admit they are and like homosexuals.
> 2) Homosexuals who pretend not to be, but they're not going to say anything
> abd about their own kind.
> 3) Straight people who don't mind homosexuals.
> 4) Straight people who hate homosexuals.
>
> So, only 4) will say anything bad about homosexuals, and they're straight.

I accept you FEEL that way, but I will go with evidence.

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On Mar 7, 2022 at 9:17:13 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1io16zjkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:50:36 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 28, 2022 at 8:50:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1ia4xsv1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> But no specific product with a link to it on Amazon or the like so people can
>>>>>>>>>> actually see if you found a product with no safety standards built into its
>>>>>>>>>> design.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I take that as a direct insult. You are accusing me of lying. I shall not
>>>>>>>>> provide proof otherwise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am noting you have offered no evidence. And now you are working to change
>>>>>>>> the topic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not changing anything, I'm pointing out you don't beleive me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have noted your failure to show any evidence. I do not think you are
>>>>>> actively lying, but I do not know if you are accurate, and I suspect you are
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you believe in me, you will accept my word.
>>>>
>>>> Your word is not the same as you showing evidence. Remember, I like evidence.
>>>
>>> But I have seen the evidence, you are doubting my word.
>>
>> I absolutely doubt your accuracy. Your claim is rather absurd... pretty much
>> any product you get will be tied to some safety standards or regulations. And
>> you have no evidence to back the idea they are not. Not a single product which
>> fails to have any such standards. Not one.
>>
>> So, yes, I doubt your rather outrageous claim.
>
> You are familiar with China?

Yes. And I am aware you have not backed your rather outrageous claim.

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On Mar 7, 2022 at 7:09:51 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1iowaprjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:33:36 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 4:16:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1h8xmi05mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:35:51 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:55:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1h7leamlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:57:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:54:34 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1h2e88gtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:36:35 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23/02/2022 22:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:04:03 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <nbyRJ.242545$_5r7.120632@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>>>>>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Same with any system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm. Many folk using Windows are protected by a third-party
>>>>>>>> anti-malware software program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All are, and all mac users aswell presumably, now you guys have admitted Macs
>>>>>>> can indeed get viruses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who denied it was possible? It is less likely, but it is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> About 15 years ago, many mac users boasted that Windows was full of viruses
>>>>> and Macs had none. I pointed out that was because the user base was so small
>>>>> there was no point in writing one.
>>>>
>>>> User base was small but users tended to be wealthier -- so the incentive was
>>>> there.
>>>
>>> A virus that can steal money? Never heard of that. They just fuck about
>>> usually.
>>
>> Malware is often about trying to get money from you.
>
> Never heard of that.

It is a very common goal.

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On Mar 7, 2022 at 7:07:51 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1iov7dbmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:32:35 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 9:49:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1h9c0vmdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:36:51 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:26:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1h7j2e19mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:55:23 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:31:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1h2d7aqimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:13:36 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ditto... though I want to get a computer with Windows 11 just to play. Likely
>>>>>>>> will eventually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get a second hand one if it's just for playing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That or just the cheapest I can find. Yeah, not likely going to spend 1/10th
>>>>>> of what I will on an iMac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not spend the same then do a comparison, make some videos, write a big
>>>>> report, and publish it everywhere?
>>>>
>>>> Report on what?
>>>
>>> The relative prices, usability, performance, whatever you like.
>>
>> If I like the idea of making such a video I very well might. Easier with a VM
>> based on the better screencasting tools on macOS.
>>
>>>> I might do some videos on Windows if things jump out at me.
>>>
>>> I'll watch those when Youtube runs out of fail videos.
>>
>> Windows UI videos often are fail videos.
>
> Not as funny as someone falling a great distance and breaking a bone.

Depends on your sense of humor.

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On Mar 7, 2022 at 5:18:13 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1ioq4nw4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:31:54 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 9:50:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1h9c1zu6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:37:16 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:25:51 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1h7j1dwlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:54:41 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:32:49 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1h2d8znlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:04:03 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>>>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>>>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>>>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>>>>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>>>>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>>>>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>>>>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>>>>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>>>>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>>>>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>>>>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>>>>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>>>>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>>>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But there's no great hurry. What was wrong with the old method of putting up
>>>>>>> a notice asking the user to restart their own property when it's convenient?
>>>>>>> Anyway I've thwarted their communism by fucking around with the services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With macOS (and Linux) you are asked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Almost makes you think MS are up to something....
>>>>
>>>> Or just not very competent at some basic things.
>>>
>>> They changed it. They didn't do that by accident. This isn't programming
>>> incompetance, this is insane decisions.
>>
>> What is the benefit to them?
>
> They claim it's to make sure people don't have security holes. I don't believe
> them. And security holes shouldn't be there in the first place. And it's not
> worth interrupting someone for a hole that probably won't leak.

So what do you think is the actual benefit?

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Tuesday, 8 March 2022 at 06:30:30 UTC, Snit wrote:
> On Mar 7, 2022 at 10:26:02 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1io5d...@ryzen.lan>:
> > On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:56:59 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 28, 2022 at 7:31:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> >> <op.1ia1a...@ryzen.lan>:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:48:37 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 1:06:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> >>>> <op.1h4zh...@ryzen.lan>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:26:16 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:25:26 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> >>>>>> <op.1h2a4...@ryzen.lan>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:13:10 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:52:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> >>>>>>>> <op.1hrxe...@ryzen.lan>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:06:18 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> <op.1hl75...@ryzen.lan>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What an odd way to express jealousy.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how you can misunderstand things. Are you one of
> >>>>>>>>> those people who thinks homophobic people are homosexual?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Evidence shows there is a correlation there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yeah.... people who hate something are that thing. What a crock of shit. So,
> >>>>>>> everyone who thinks murderers are scum are murderers themselves?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You said nothing of the evidence... I doubt you are even aware of it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I do not believe utter shite. Think about it, how many people that hate
> >>>>> murderers are murderers?
> >>>>
> >>>> False equivalencies are false.
> >>>>
> >>>> Again: I am speaking of the evidence... a thing you tend to avoid.
> >>>
> >>> Did you not understand my analogy? People who hate X are not likely to be X.
> >>> If Mr smith was a homosexual, he wouldn't go around proclaiming they're all
> >>> evil, thats not in his best interests.
> >>
> >>
> >> I understand why your analogy is a side issue and not relevant... it is a
> >> false equivalency. And, again, I tend to go with evidence and not your gut
> >> feelings. Your gut feelings are not evidence.
> >>
> >> Here is one study:
> >>
> >> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
> >> -----
> >> Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the
> >> homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
> >> -----
> >>
> >> This has been replicated and found repeatedly to be true.
> >
> > Then everyone doing that study is a fucking moron. I've only ever met the
> > following types of people:
> >
> > 1) Homosexuals who openly admit they are and like homosexuals.
> > 2) Homosexuals who pretend not to be, but they're not going to say anything
> > abd about their own kind.
> > 3) Straight people who don't mind homosexuals.
> > 4) Straight people who hate homosexuals.
> >
> > So, only 4) will say anything bad about homosexuals, and they're straight.
> I accept you FEEL that way, but I will go with evidence.

Yeah me too, I rememebr in the early 80s when the Chelsea COP fan base were anti-gay,
and the police raided the home of the chelsea COP leader on a drugs charge and they found him in bed with
another man having sex.
A friends of mine was anti-gay used to go about saying look at those pooftas
and leaning out of car windows wolf whistling at girls and saying cor look at that.

He asked me why I don't do the same I said well that has never got me a girl-friend, so I think it but don't say it.
He thought men with long hair were all gay so had his hair cropped a bit like jimmy summerville

20 years later I met up with him and he is happly married to his boyfriend
and lives in Grimsby

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:58:54 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 28, 2022 at 7:19:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1ia0qeromvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 21:25:05 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 1:47:37 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <KrRSJ.104358$sga6.41870@fx10.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 27/02/2022 20:38, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 1:28:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <Q9RSJ.86410$5Ta3.15445@fx05.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 20:23, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 11:42:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1h9h8mkamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:48:06 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 1:11:07 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1h4zoti6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:27:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That was auto-carrot with voice to text. Last word should be "accent".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Too lazy to use the keyboard? Or are you really the author of this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was on the phone when I was writing that... not that I type well on a
>>>>>>>>> computer!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, you admit typing on a phone is absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What newsreader do you use on a 'phone?
>>>>>
>>>>> NewsTap. Wish my desktop app had some of the same features.
>>>>
>>>> OK. Thanks. I have that on my iPad but don't like it at all. :-(
>>>
>>> There are things I like about it... and some things I do not. Like the
>>> flagging, do not like sorting.
>>>
>>>> What does that have which Usenapp doesn't? Have you discussed with the
>>>> developer at Xorosoft?
>>>
>>> I have... the flagging. Say I want to have any post with the word "penguin"
>>> marked... no way to do it.
>>
>> Can't anything do that? On Opera I'd go to the folder I'm interested in, say
>> "sent", and type "penguin" into the search box at the top. It immediately
>> (dunno how it finds them so fast) only displays the posts with penguin in it.
>
> Usenapp does it... but it is slow. And even with what you describe you have to
> do a search.

Opera has a massive index, as big as the messages themselves. Eventually it takes too long to open the program, so I clear things out, it had an 8GB index last time I did it! But it does mean in a fraction of a second I type a word and all those messages appear. It also lets it filter things very easily, I can put anything containing the word penguin (or more often the name of someone I don't like) into a certain folder.

> I want smart folders where I can select them and the searches are
> already done, or as a second-best to be able to color code messages with
> specific content.

Yeah same as I do. Any newsgroup posts which are in reply to me, or in reply to reply to me etc, are in 1 folder. That's where I go first.

>>>>>>> It is harder on a small screen than full sized keyboard. Was that in question?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought at first, how can you use voice to text when talking on the phone.
>>>>>>>> "On the phone" means something different to people my age.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure you are much older than I am.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try 10 years younger. That's why he's not as knowledgeable as you! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Not surprised. :)
>>>>
>>>> He does behave rather childishly sometimes. ;-)
>>>
>>> Only sometimes?
>>
>> Teenagers are the correct form of people. Adults have become too serious (the
>> comedian Alan Davies suggested this and I agree fully). Ever heard of the
>> phrase "young at heart"?
>
> https://youtu.be/45Fvy5h38KI
>
> Many advantages to teenagers... though their brains are not fully developed
> until they are 25 or so.

Bullshit. I don't feel different now to when I was 12. Maybe americans are slower to develop, which explains your higher age of consent.

On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 14:13:55 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 8 March 2022 at 06:30:30 UTC, Snit wrote:
>> On Mar 7, 2022 at 10:26:02 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1io5d...@ryzen.lan>:
>> > On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:56:59 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Feb 28, 2022 at 7:31:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> >> <op.1ia1a...@ryzen.lan>:
>> >>
>> >>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:48:37 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 1:06:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> >>>> <op.1h4zh...@ryzen.lan>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:26:16 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:25:26 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> >>>>>> <op.1h2a4...@ryzen.lan>:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:13:10 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:52:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> >>>>>>>> <op.1hrxe...@ryzen.lan>:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:06:18 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> >>>>>>>>>> <op.1hl75...@ryzen.lan>:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> What an odd way to express jealousy.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how you can misunderstand things. Are you one of
>> >>>>>>>>> those people who thinks homophobic people are homosexual?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Evidence shows there is a correlation there.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Yeah.... people who hate something are that thing. What a crock of shit. So,
>> >>>>>>> everyone who thinks murderers are scum are murderers themselves?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You said nothing of the evidence... I doubt you are even aware of it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I do not believe utter shite. Think about it, how many people that hate
>> >>>>> murderers are murderers?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> False equivalencies are false.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Again: I am speaking of the evidence... a thing you tend to avoid.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did you not understand my analogy? People who hate X are not likely to be X.
>> >>> If Mr smith was a homosexual, he wouldn't go around proclaiming they're all
>> >>> evil, thats not in his best interests.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I understand why your analogy is a side issue and not relevant... it is a
>> >> false equivalency. And, again, I tend to go with evidence and not your gut
>> >> feelings. Your gut feelings are not evidence.
>> >>
>> >> Here is one study:
>> >>
>> >> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
>> >> -----
>> >> Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the
>> >> homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
>> >> -----
>> >>
>> >> This has been replicated and found repeatedly to be true.
>> >
>> > Then everyone doing that study is a fucking moron. I've only ever met the
>> > following types of people:
>> >
>> > 1) Homosexuals who openly admit they are and like homosexuals.
>> > 2) Homosexuals who pretend not to be, but they're not going to say anything
>> > abd about their own kind.
>> > 3) Straight people who don't mind homosexuals.
>> > 4) Straight people who hate homosexuals.
>> >
>> > So, only 4) will say anything bad about homosexuals, and they're straight.
>> I accept you FEEL that way, but I will go with evidence.
>
> Yeah me too, I rememebr in the early 80s when the Chelsea COP fan base were anti-gay,
> and the police raided the home of the chelsea COP leader on a drugs charge and they found him in bed with
> another man having sex.
> A friends of mine was anti-gay used to go about saying look at those pooftas
> and leaning out of car windows wolf whistling at girls and saying cor look at that.
>
> He asked me why I don't do the same I said well that has never got me a girl-friend, so I think it but don't say it.
> He thought men with long hair were all gay so had his hair cropped a bit like jimmy summerville
>
> 20 years later I met up with him and he is happly married to his boyfriend
> and lives in Grimsby

These are a small number of morons. Every gay person I know either hid it but never said anything bad about other gays, or openly admitted to it.

On Mar 8, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1iqzjag7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 14:13:55 -0000, whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 8 March 2022 at 06:30:30 UTC, Snit wrote:
>>> On Mar 7, 2022 at 10:26:02 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1io5d...@ryzen.lan>:
>>>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:56:59 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2022 at 7:31:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1ia1a...@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:48:37 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 1:06:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1h4zh...@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:26:16 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:25:26 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1h2a4...@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:13:10 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:52:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hrxe...@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:06:18 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hl75...@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What an odd way to express jealousy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how you can misunderstand things. Are you one of
>>>>>>>>>>>> those people who thinks homophobic people are homosexual?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence shows there is a correlation there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah.... people who hate something are that thing. What a crock of shit. So,
>>>>>>>>>> everyone who thinks murderers are scum are murderers themselves?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You said nothing of the evidence... I doubt you are even aware of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not believe utter shite. Think about it, how many people that hate
>>>>>>>> murderers are murderers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> False equivalencies are false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again: I am speaking of the evidence... a thing you tend to avoid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you not understand my analogy? People who hate X are not likely to be X.
>>>>>> If Mr smith was a homosexual, he wouldn't go around proclaiming they're all
>>>>>> evil, thats not in his best interests.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand why your analogy is a side issue and not relevant... it is a
>>>>> false equivalency. And, again, I tend to go with evidence and not your gut
>>>>> feelings. Your gut feelings are not evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is one study:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8772014/
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the
>>>>> homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
>>>>> -----
>>>>>
>>>>> This has been replicated and found repeatedly to be true.
>>>>
>>>> Then everyone doing that study is a fucking moron. I've only ever met the
>>>> following types of people:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Homosexuals who openly admit they are and like homosexuals.
>>>> 2) Homosexuals who pretend not to be, but they're not going to say anything
>>>> abd about their own kind.
>>>> 3) Straight people who don't mind homosexuals.
>>>> 4) Straight people who hate homosexuals.
>>>>
>>>> So, only 4) will say anything bad about homosexuals, and they're straight.
>>> I accept you FEEL that way, but I will go with evidence.
>>
>> Yeah me too, I rememebr in the early 80s when the Chelsea COP fan base were
>> anti-gay,
>> and the police raided the home of the chelsea COP leader on a drugs charge
>> and they found him in bed with
>> another man having sex.
>> A friends of mine was anti-gay used to go about saying look at those pooftas
>> and leaning out of car windows wolf whistling at girls and saying cor look at
>> that.
>>
>> He asked me why I don't do the same I said well that has never got me a
>> girl-friend, so I think it but don't say it.
>> He thought men with long hair were all gay so had his hair cropped a bit like
>> jimmy summerville
>>
>> 20 years later I met up with him and he is happly married to his boyfriend
>> and lives in Grimsby
>
> These are a small number of morons. Every gay person I know either hid it but
> never said anything bad about other gays, or openly admitted to it.

Or were homophobic.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Mar 8, 2022 at 10:08:29 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1iqy8fwmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 16:58:54 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 28, 2022 at 7:19:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1ia0qeromvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 21:25:05 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 1:47:37 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <KrRSJ.104358$sga6.41870@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 20:38, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 1:28:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <Q9RSJ.86410$5Ta3.15445@fx05.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 20:23, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 11:42:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.1h9h8mkamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:48:06 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 1:11:07 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.1h4zoti6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:27:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was auto-carrot with voice to text. Last word should be "accent".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Too lazy to use the keyboard? Or are you really the author of this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was on the phone when I was writing that... not that I type well on a
>>>>>>>>>> computer!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, you admit typing on a phone is absurd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What newsreader do you use on a 'phone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NewsTap. Wish my desktop app had some of the same features.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. Thanks. I have that on my iPad but don't like it at all. :-(
>>>>
>>>> There are things I like about it... and some things I do not. Like the
>>>> flagging, do not like sorting.
>>>>
>>>>> What does that have which Usenapp doesn't? Have you discussed with the
>>>>> developer at Xorosoft?
>>>>
>>>> I have... the flagging. Say I want to have any post with the word "penguin"
>>>> marked... no way to do it.
>>>
>>> Can't anything do that? On Opera I'd go to the folder I'm interested in, say
>>> "sent", and type "penguin" into the search box at the top. It immediately
>>> (dunno how it finds them so fast) only displays the posts with penguin in it.
>>
>> Usenapp does it... but it is slow. And even with what you describe you have to
>> do a search.
>
> Opera has a massive index, as big as the messages themselves. Eventually it
> takes too long to open the program, so I clear things out, it had an 8GB index
> last time I did it!

Thunderbird does much the same.

> But it does mean in a fraction of a second I type a word and all those
> messages appear. It also lets it filter things very easily, I can put anything
> containing the word penguin (or more often the name of someone I don't like)
> into a certain folder.

Entourage used to do that well. Not much else well, but it did that well. :)

>
>> I want smart folders where I can select them and the searches are
>> already done, or as a second-best to be able to color code messages with
>> specific content.
>
> Yeah same as I do. Any newsgroup posts which are in reply to me, or in reply
> to reply to me etc, are in 1 folder. That's where I go first.

Makes sense. I want that functionality. I will grant that most Usenet clients
on macOS suck. The one I am using sucks less than others for my tastes and
needs.

>
>>>>>>>> It is harder on a small screen than full sized keyboard. Was that in question?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought at first, how can you use voice to text when talking on the phone.
>>>>>>>>> "On the phone" means something different to people my age.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure you are much older than I am.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try 10 years younger. That's why he's not as knowledgeable as you! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not surprised. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> He does behave rather childishly sometimes. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Only sometimes?
>>>
>>> Teenagers are the correct form of people. Adults have become too serious (the
>>> comedian Alan Davies suggested this and I agree fully). Ever heard of the
>>> phrase "young at heart"?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/45Fvy5h38KI
>>
>> Many advantages to teenagers... though their brains are not fully developed
>> until they are 25 or so.
>
> Bullshit. I don't feel different now to when I was 12.

It is merely an average that most mature past that.

> Maybe americans are slower to develop, which explains your higher age of
> consent.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 17:00:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 28, 2022 at 7:16:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1ia0lanrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 20:23:45 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2022 at 11:42:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h9h8mkamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:48:06 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 1:11:07 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1h4zoti6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:27:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:24:39 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1h2a3dsxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:12:52 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:55:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1hrxi9xdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:07:57 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do not know much about India. If I pretended that I would quickly be called
>>>>>>>>>>> out on it not being true.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Clearly I was talking about your IP, not your accent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I make videos, the main IP I share, I make them with my accept.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was that a poor attempt at Ingrish?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was auto-carrot with voice to text. Last word should be "accent".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too lazy to use the keyboard? Or are you really the author of this?
>>>>>
>>>>> I was on the phone when I was writing that... not that I type well on a
>>>>> computer!
>>>>
>>>> Ah, you admit typing on a phone is absurd.
>>>
>>> It is harder on a small screen than full sized keyboard. Was that in question?
>>
>> Not by you.
>
> Nor anyone in this conversation. :)

You were typing to me on a phone.

>> But I had a conversation in an Android forum where a woman told me computers
>> are dinosaurs and would soon disappear, and everyone would do everything on
>> phones. She has a real keyboard and monitor connected to her phone and uses it
>> like we use a computer. Very odd.
>
> I have seen that claim, too. I think Carroll has said much the same -- at
> least for most people. I think he has. If he says otherwise I accept that...
> not looking to get him riled up.

It's a stupid claim. Might aswell say bicycles will replace the car.

>>>> I thought at first, how can you use voice to text when talking on the phone.
>>>> "On the phone" means something different to people my age.
>>>
>>> Not sure you are much older than I am.
>>
>> I was going to say I feel older, but you have similar health problems to me so
>> maybe not.
>
> Likely not.

I'm currently running on a 32 hour body clock, beat that. Quite fun though having every "day" different. Sometimes it's dark and quiet, sometimes I see the sunset, sometimes I see the sunrise. Sometimes my neighbour doesn't like the loud music at my "midday".

>> As far as ideas go, I'd say I'm more old fashioned than you. I don't ever type
>> much on my phone. I use it only for texts,
>
> How do you do texts without typing?

"type much".

>> calls, and the internet when I'm away from home and want to look something up,
>> or pass the time watching youtube when waiting for someone.
>
> I do more and more on my phone these days.

Like what? If you're at home, why not use the computer?

On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:51:51 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 1, 2022 at 11:31:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1id4e5h1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:53:20 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:05:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h4wmwapmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 22:11:17 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <YXaRJ.35647$EjU2.10121@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
>>>>>>> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
>>>>>>> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
>>>>>>> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
>>>>>>> figure!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!
>>>>>
>>>>> Macs came out in 1984, but they had the Apple II systems before that. My
>>>>> family had an Apple IIe -- my brother's but I got to use it. I really like
>>>>> AppleWorks -- a word processor, spreadsheet, and database combo.
>>>>
>>>> Where did the silly idea of calling them Macs come from?
>>>
>>> Misspelling of McIntosh.
>>
>> All those sorta names can be spelt Mc or Mac. So who is this Macintosh? The
>> only one I know of invented some stupid new age furniture with everything at
>> right angles.
>
> The apple variety is McIntosh. The Macintosh name is based on that, but either
> on accident or purpose they misspelled it. I would like to think on purpose.

I'm sure the name was around long before that in Scotland.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:52:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 1, 2022 at 11:30:49 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1id4dny6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:52:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:05:40 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h4wnqnimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:12:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 4:08:46 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <22eRJ.242536$_5r7.214859@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 22:11, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <YXaRJ.35647$EjU2.10121@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>>>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>>>>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>>>>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
>>>>>>>>> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
>>>>>>>>> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
>>>>>>>>> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
>>>>>>>>> figure!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Macs came out in 1984, but they had the Apple II systems before that. My
>>>>>>> family had an Apple IIe -- my brother's but I got to use it. I really like
>>>>>>> AppleWorks -- a word processor, spreadsheet, and database combo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My mistake - I should have said Apple computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> If figured you might have meant that.
>>>>
>>>> At least you accept some people don't have OCD.
>>>
>>> Never suggested otherwise.
>>
>> Then follow their lead.
>
> I shall not join you in pushing such rules onto others.

I push the absence of rules. You might aswell say an atheist has a belief!

On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:55:06 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 2, 2022 at 1:01:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1id8kuufmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:55:00 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:03:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h4wjvjrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>>
>>>> This is as bad as Android. How the fuck are users supposed to know if a
>>>> Leopard is better than a Tiger? Why not just 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 etc?
>>>
>>> I tend to look at the version numbers... but many products have such names.
>>> Look at Android and the candy names.
>>
>> Exactly they're both stupid. I go to download a program for my phone and it
>> says "this is compatible with lollipop and upwards". How the fuck do I know if
>> a candy is more than a lollipop? I'm not a fucking child, I know how to count.
>
> I actually tend to agree with you and prefer numbers... but what the hell
> happened to Windows 4 through 94? And then what type number is NT. And then
> what version of Windows 10 or Windows 11 are you running? How do you
> differentiate? The latest Windows 10 version is, from what I just found on
> line, "20H2". What the hell is that about?

Yes, it's a fucking mess. Sometimes I think people make things more complicated so they can sound clever. Like left wing folk using many long words.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2022 02:19:58 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mar 2, 2022 at 1:03:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1id8nkqkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:57:02 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:02:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h4wh1ddmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:48 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 7:59:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hzykmgnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ROFL! Remember when Macs couldn't copy and paste files? They insisted on this
>>>>>> silly drag and drop!
>>>>>
>>>>> They handled drag and drop better than Windows. They still do.
>>>>
>>>> Drag and drop is overrated.
>>>
>>> Not when it works well... you are just not used to it doing so.
>>
>> As below, the two places are not usually both visible.
>
> Spring loaded folders. There were also third party apps to give you a shelf. I
> can see your point, and I think this counts as a place where Windows *was*
> ahead, but it was rarely an issue. Also not like PDF Services is a huge deal.

It was always an issue. It was so cumbersome to find the two folders then drag.

>>>>>> Most people do not have multiple things on display at once, that requires a
>>>>>> very large screen or multiple monitors.
>>>>>
>>>>> There was value to adding copy and paste for files, but it was not that big of
>>>>> a deal.
>>>>
>>>> It was a HUGE deal. Having to open the source and destination folder and get
>>>> them both lined up and visible was ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Not generally.
>>
>> How is it not ridiculous to have to open two folders at once and have them
>> both visible to transfer a file?
>
> Why would you have to? Why not use Spring Loaded folders. But I do get your
> point -- sorta why I like PDF Services, no need to dig through folders. Never
> thought of how those were similar... so thank you.

How does PDF services change digging through folders?

>>>>> Things like spring loaded folders made dragging to "deeper" areas not
>>>>> that hard. I still use that more than I use copy and paste... it is more
>>>>> visual and I can do it with tabs and the like. But both are fine.

You mean hovering on them to open each one? Ever tried that in windows? See the column on the left with the folder tree? You're just about to deposit your copied files into it, and the thing scrolls up or opens something and you lose the files somewhere. Even if Windows doesn't fuck up, the number of users who said to me they'd lost a file because they inaccurately used the mouse and dropped it in the wrong place. I like to get into the folder I'm going to paste it in, then paste it.

Talking of dragging stuff, ever put shutdown in the startup folder of an old mac?

>>>> Way easier to go to the source, copy, go to the destination, paste.
>>>
>>> Unless you get caught up in something as you dig.
>>
>> Like what?
>
> The ol' something shiny came along that most folks have on the computer.

Huh?

>>>> I do the same in a Word document, I don't this dragging shit.
>>>>
>>>>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
>>>>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
>>>>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found the exact opposite with every single user I dealt with. Windows was
>>>>>> easy to work out, Mac was just too weird.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet you refuse to make a video or show any examples of where you think
>>>>> Windows handles things better.
>>>>
>>>> Only because I won't waste time explaining the obvious to you.
>>>
>>> It is obvious that the workflow on Windows is harder. Sure.
>>
>> Stop using leftie buzzwords.
>
> I do not even know what word you mean.

Workflow. You'll be telling me to action something next.

Actually workflow isn't in my newsreader's dictionary!

> But back to the issue, you made a claim
> and your only example is copy and paste from the past.

I'm not sad enough to keep a diary.

On Thursday, 10 March 2022 at 08:28:07 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:51:51 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 1, 2022 at 11:31:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> > <op.1id4e...@ryzen.lan>:
> >
> >> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:53:20 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:05:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> >>> <op.1h4wm...@ryzen.lan>:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 22:11:17 -0000, Snit <brock.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> >>>>> <YXaRJ.35647$EjU2....@fx07.ams1>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> >>>>>>> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5....@fx12.ams1>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> >>>>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2....@fx08.ams1>:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <B...@invalid.invalid>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> [....]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
> >>>>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
> >>>>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
> >>>>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
> >>>>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
> >>>>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
> >>>>>>> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
> >>>>>>> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
> >>>>>>> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
> >>>>>>> figure!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Macs came out in 1984, but they had the Apple II systems before that. My
> >>>>> family had an Apple IIe -- my brother's but I got to use it. I really like
> >>>>> AppleWorks -- a word processor, spreadsheet, and database combo.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where did the silly idea of calling them Macs come from?
> >>>
> >>> Misspelling of McIntosh.
> >>
> >> All those sorta names can be spelt Mc or Mac. So who is this Macintosh? The
> >> only one I know of invented some stupid new age furniture with everything at
> >> right angles.
> >
> > The apple variety is McIntosh. The Macintosh name is based on that, but either
> > on accident or purpose they misspelled it. I would like to think on purpose.

That name "McIntosh" was already taken by an audio manufacturer so they had to change it.
These are very high end audio products check this out and get 5% discount on your first order ;-)

https://www.kronosav.com/products/fo_c=2991&fo_k=0788bfb8871bdcd596bc3780d82d14b5&fo_s=gplauk?cmp_id=1767893886&adg_id=124706798793&kwd=&device=c

> I'm sure the name was around long before that in Scotland.

In article <20958b42-3b87-4598-ae5a-cd8e01f82bdfn@googlegroups.com>,
whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> > >>>> Where did the silly idea of calling them Macs come from?
> > >>>
> > >>> Misspelling of McIntosh.
> > >>
> > >> All those sorta names can be spelt Mc or Mac. So who is this Macintosh?
> > >> The
> > >> only one I know of invented some stupid new age furniture with
> > >> everything at
> > >> right angles.
> > >
> > > The apple variety is McIntosh. The Macintosh name is based on that, but
> > > either
> > > on accident or purpose they misspelled it. I would like to think on
> > > purpose.
>
> That name "McIntosh" was already taken by an audio manufacturer so they had
> to change it.

not quite. jef raskin chose macintosh because of mcintosh labs,
however, the trademark was denied because both sound the same. apple
asked mcintosh labs for permission to use it, who said no. apple was
eventually able to get the rights to use macintosh before its release,
but that didn't stop mcintosh labs from suing anyway. apple ultimately
bought the rights to the trademark.

On Mar 10, 2022 at 3:31:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1is8vefnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 03 Mar 2022 02:19:58 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 2, 2022 at 1:03:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1id8nkqkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:57:02 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:02:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1h4wh1ddmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:48 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 7:59:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1hzykmgnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROFL! Remember when Macs couldn't copy and paste files? They insisted on this
>>>>>>> silly drag and drop!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They handled drag and drop better than Windows. They still do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drag and drop is overrated.
>>>>
>>>> Not when it works well... you are just not used to it doing so.
>>>
>>> As below, the two places are not usually both visible.
>>
>> Spring loaded folders. There were also third party apps to give you a shelf. I
>> can see your point, and I think this counts as a place where Windows *was*
>> ahead, but it was rarely an issue. Also not like PDF Services is a huge deal.
>
> It was always an issue. It was so cumbersome to find the two folders then
> drag.

I have said I can see the value of the alternate way, but do not really find
it that cumbersome to open a folder, especially when with your method you
STILL have to open it.

With PDF Services, if there is a common folder you often want to save PDF
versions of websites or emails or whatever to, you do not even have to open
the folder. I showed this with the Receipts folder. No need to do the
"cumbersome" work of opening a folder, especially one that is buried a bit.

>
>>>>>>> Most people do not have multiple things on display at once, that requires a
>>>>>>> very large screen or multiple monitors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was value to adding copy and paste for files, but it was not that big of
>>>>>> a deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a HUGE deal. Having to open the source and destination folder and get
>>>>> them both lined up and visible was ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> Not generally.
>>>
>>> How is it not ridiculous to have to open two folders at once and have them
>>> both visible to transfer a file?
>>
>> Why would you have to? Why not use Spring Loaded folders. But I do get your
>> point -- sorta why I like PDF Services, no need to dig through folders. Never
>> thought of how those were similar... so thank you.
>
> How does PDF services change digging through folders?

It eliminates the "cumbersome" work of having to dig down to the folder. I
showed this with the Web Receipts folder.

>
>>>>>> Things like spring loaded folders made dragging to "deeper" areas not
>>>>>> that hard. I still use that more than I use copy and paste... it is more
>>>>>> visual and I can do it with tabs and the like. But both are fine.
>
> You mean hovering on them to open each one? Ever tried that in windows? See
> the column on the left with the folder tree? You're just about to deposit your
> copied files into it, and the thing scrolls up or opens something and you lose
> the files somewhere. Even if Windows doesn't fuck up, the number of users who
> said to me they'd lost a file because they inaccurately used the mouse and
> dropped it in the wrong place. I like to get into the folder I'm going to
> paste it in, then paste it.
>
> Talking of dragging stuff, ever put shutdown in the startup folder of an old
> mac?
>
>>>>> Way easier to go to the source, copy, go to the destination, paste.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you get caught up in something as you dig.
>>>
>>> Like what?
>>
>> The ol' something shiny came along that most folks have on the computer.
>
> Huh?

When you have a simple task (drag and drop, essentially) split into two
discreet tasks (copy, do stuff, then paste) you allow for people to get caught
up in another task.

>
>>>>> I do the same in a Word document, I don't this dragging shit.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
>>>>>>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
>>>>>>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
>>>>>>>> teaching.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found the exact opposite with every single user I dealt with. Windows was
>>>>>>> easy to work out, Mac was just too weird.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet you refuse to make a video or show any examples of where you think
>>>>>> Windows handles things better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only because I won't waste time explaining the obvious to you.
>>>>
>>>> It is obvious that the workflow on Windows is harder. Sure.
>>>
>>> Stop using leftie buzzwords.
>>
>> I do not even know what word you mean.
>
> Workflow. You'll be telling me to action something next.

What do you mean by "action something"?

>
> Actually workflow isn't in my newsreader's dictionary!
>
>> But back to the issue, you made a claim
>> and your only example is copy and paste from the past.
>
> I'm not sad enough to keep a diary.

You make more excuses for a lack of evidence than most. It is a skill!

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Mar 10, 2022 at 3:26:38 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1is8mor0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 23:55:06 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 2, 2022 at 1:01:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1id8kuufmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 03:55:00 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2022 at 12:03:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1h4wjvjrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>>>
>>>>> This is as bad as Android. How the fuck are users supposed to know if a
>>>>> Leopard is better than a Tiger? Why not just 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 etc?
>>>>
>>>> I tend to look at the version numbers... but many products have such names.
>>>> Look at Android and the candy names.
>>>
>>> Exactly they're both stupid. I go to download a program for my phone and it
>>> says "this is compatible with lollipop and upwards". How the fuck do I know if
>>> a candy is more than a lollipop? I'm not a fucking child, I know how to count.
>>
>> I actually tend to agree with you and prefer numbers... but what the hell
>> happened to Windows 4 through 94? And then what type number is NT. And then
>> what version of Windows 10 or Windows 11 are you running? How do you
>> differentiate? The latest Windows 10 version is, from what I just found on
>> line, "20H2". What the hell is that about?
>
> Yes, it's a fucking mess. Sometimes I think people make things more
> complicated so they can sound clever. Like left wing folk using many long
> words.

Some of it is marketing, but there is also in ANY group going to be jargon to
help be more specific. Those not in the field will find it cumbersome and
confusing. This is true of tech, medicine, law, construction, ... pretty much
anything.

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