On 12/02/2022 22:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 22:06:10 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 12/02/2022 21:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:51:18 -0000,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/02/2022 13:37, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022 Feb 11, David Brooks wrote
>>>>> (in article <fnBNJ.143840$TXc5.77299@fx14.ams1>):
>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bullshit, it's the best video player ever made, I use it for
>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> VLC is good. It’s not the best.
>>>>
>>>> Understood.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not
>>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please don't tell me you use that shite. You do know you can install
>>>>>>> anything from anywhere, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I DO know that - but Apple advises me not to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> interesting. Exactly where and when did ‘Apple’ publish this
>>>>> ‘advice’?
>>>>
>>>> Let me quote for you:-
>>>>
>>>> //The safest place to get apps for your Mac is the App Store. Apple
>>>> reviews each app in the App Store before it’s accepted and signs it to
>>>> ensure that it hasn’t been tampered with or altered. If there’s ever a
>>>> problem with an app, Apple can remove it from the store quickly.
>>>> If you download and install apps from the Internet or directly from a
>>>> developer, macOS continues to protect your Mac. When you install Mac
>>>> apps, plug-ins and installer packages from outside the App Store, macOS
>>>> checks the Developer ID signature to verify that the software is
>>>> from an
>>>> identified developer and that it has not been altered. By default,
>>>> macOS
>>>> Catalina and later also requires software to be notarised, so you
>>>> can be
>>>> confident that the software you run on your Mac doesn't contain known
>>>> malware. Before opening downloaded software for the first time, macOS
>>>> requests your approval to make sure you aren’t misled into running
>>>> software you didn’t expect.
>>>>
>>>> Running software that hasn’t been signed and notarised may expose your
>>>> computer and personal information to malware that can harm your Mac or
>>>> compromise your privacy.//
>>>>
>>>> Ref:  https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202491
>>>>
>>>> Published Date: May 12, 2021
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
>>>
>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for your
>>> Mac is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App
>>> Store before it’s accepted and signs it to
>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.  If there’s
>>> ever an app that refuses to give us enough commission, Apple can remove
>>> it from the store quickly."
>>>
>>> ROFL!  Then they contradict themselves by saying you're safe anyway:
>>>
>>> If you download and install apps from the Internet or directly from a
>>> developer, macOS continues to protect your Mac. When you install Mac
>>> apps, plug-ins and installer packages from outside the App Store, macOS
>>> checks the Developer ID signature to verify that the software is from an
>>> identified developer and that it has not been altered.
>>>
>>> Then they threaten you and say you can't put unauthorised stuff on YOUR
>>> Mac:
>>>
>>> By default, macOS Catalina and later also ****requires**** software to
>>> be notarised, so you can be confident that the software you run on your
>>> Mac doesn't contain known malware.
>>
>> It's so good to have you on hand to explain things when folk like
>> 'nospam' get into a tailspin for no good reason.
>>
>> Thanks, Commander! 😎
>
> I must have that thing killfiled, you keep talking about him but I don't
> see.  Is that another Diesel?

No, not Dustin.

I can understand why you'd not get on too well with 'nospam'.
He thinks he's God's gift to the Usenet.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 22:23:31 -0000, wrote:

> On 12/02/2022 21:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:53:06 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2022 23:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why
>>>> I buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
>>>> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or at
>>>> difficult angles.
>>>
>>> A while ago I met a recently retired professional carpenter who sliced
>>> off four fingers from his left hand.
>>>
>>> Take care.
>>
>> How many carpenters do you know who didn't?
>
> These Carpenters will keep you entertained for an hour or so!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk9h7Lb-9s

Lovely singing. I think there are LPs of that from my grandfather, he collected all the good stuff.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 22:52:44 -0000, wrote:

> On 12/02/2022 22:49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 22:06:10 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/02/2022 21:12, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:51:18 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/02/2022 13:37, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022 Feb 11, David Brooks wrote
>>>>>> (in article <fnBNJ.143840$TXc5.77299@fx14.ams1>):
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bullshit, it's the best video player ever made, I use it for
>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VLC is good. It’s not the best.
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is not
>>>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please don't tell me you use that shite. You do know you can install
>>>>>>>> anything from anywhere, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I DO know that - but Apple advises me not to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> interesting. Exactly where and when did ‘Apple’ publish this
>>>>>> ‘advice’?
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me quote for you:-
>>>>>
>>>>> //The safest place to get apps for your Mac is the App Store. Apple
>>>>> reviews each app in the App Store before it’s accepted and signs it to
>>>>> ensure that it hasn’t been tampered with or altered. If there’s ever a
>>>>> problem with an app, Apple can remove it from the store quickly.
>>>>> If you download and install apps from the Internet or directly from a
>>>>> developer, macOS continues to protect your Mac. When you install Mac
>>>>> apps, plug-ins and installer packages from outside the App Store, macOS
>>>>> checks the Developer ID signature to verify that the software is
>>>>> from an
>>>>> identified developer and that it has not been altered. By default,
>>>>> macOS
>>>>> Catalina and later also requires software to be notarised, so you
>>>>> can be
>>>>> confident that the software you run on your Mac doesn't contain known
>>>>> malware. Before opening downloaded software for the first time, macOS
>>>>> requests your approval to make sure you aren’t misled into running
>>>>> software you didn’t expect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Running software that hasn’t been signed and notarised may expose your
>>>>> computer and personal information to malware that can harm your Mac or
>>>>> compromise your privacy.//
>>>>>
>>>>> Ref: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT202491
>>>>>
>>>>> Published Date: May 12, 2021
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
>>>>
>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for your
>>>> Mac is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App
>>>> Store before it’s accepted and signs it to
>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work. If there’s
>>>> ever an app that refuses to give us enough commission, Apple can remove
>>>> it from the store quickly."
>>>>
>>>> ROFL! Then they contradict themselves by saying you're safe anyway:
>>>>
>>>> If you download and install apps from the Internet or directly from a
>>>> developer, macOS continues to protect your Mac. When you install Mac
>>>> apps, plug-ins and installer packages from outside the App Store, macOS
>>>> checks the Developer ID signature to verify that the software is from an
>>>> identified developer and that it has not been altered.
>>>>
>>>> Then they threaten you and say you can't put unauthorised stuff on YOUR
>>>> Mac:
>>>>
>>>> By default, macOS Catalina and later also ****requires**** software to
>>>> be notarised, so you can be confident that the software you run on your
>>>> Mac doesn't contain known malware.
>>>
>>> It's so good to have you on hand to explain things when folk like
>>> 'nospam' get into a tailspin for no good reason.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Commander! 😎
>>
>> I must have that thing killfiled, you keep talking about him but I don't
>> see. Is that another Diesel?
>
> No, not Dustin.
>
> I can understand why you'd not get on too well with 'nospam'.
> He thinks he's God's gift to the Usenet.

I delete anyone arrogant or irritating. That Aussie chap goes on and on.. Mainly in the DIY groups. I can't mention his name or this post will be destroyed.

In article <6QWNJ.20172$EjU2.19501@fx07.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
> >>>>
> >>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for your
> >>>> Mac
> >>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App Store
> >>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
> >>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
> >>>
> >>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
> >>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international taxes,
> >>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
> >>>
> >>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that separately,
> >>> reducing net revenue.
> >>>
> >>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
> >>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
> >>> whatever it is they want to do.
> >>>
> >>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
> >>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
> >>> another added cost.
> >>
> >> I don't believe that.
> >
> > then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
> >
> > you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
> >
> > you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
>
> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That figures.

how is it you don't understand very simple words?

is english your second language?

> >>> for indie developers, the app store a very good deal.
> >>>
> >>>> If there1s ever an
> >>>> app that refuses to give us enough commission, Apple can remove it from
> >>>> the
> >>>> store quickly."
> >>>
> >>> that is simply false.
> >>
> >> As is usual for you, you provide no evidence for your claim.
> >
> > no need, since it's wrong on its face.
> >
> > it is not possible for an app to 'refuse to give us enough commission'.
> >
> > read the terms of service for the app store, not that you'll understand
> > it.
>
> I did read there once. Apple take 30% I believe.

whoosh.

On 12/02/2022 22:55, nospam wrote:
> In article <6QWNJ.20172$EjU2.19501@fx07.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for your
>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App Store
>>>>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
>>>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
>>>>>
>>>>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
>>>>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international taxes,
>>>>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
>>>>>
>>>>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that separately,
>>>>> reducing net revenue.
>>>>>
>>>>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
>>>>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
>>>>> whatever it is they want to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
>>>>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
>>>>> another added cost.
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe that.
>>>
>>> then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
>>>
>>> you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
>>>
>>> you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
>>
>> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That figures.
>
> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>
> is english your second language?

It's always best to 'know your enemy'.

There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.

>>>>> for indie developers, the app store a very good deal.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If there1s ever an
>>>>>> app that refuses to give us enough commission, Apple can remove it from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> store quickly."
>>>>>
>>>>> that is simply false.
>>>>
>>>> As is usual for you, you provide no evidence for your claim.
>>>
>>> no need, since it's wrong on its face.
>>>
>>> it is not possible for an app to 'refuse to give us enough commission'.
>>>
>>> read the terms of service for the app store, not that you'll understand
>>> it.
>>
>> I did read there once. Apple take 30% I believe.
>
> whoosh.

Have they recently reduced their cut?

In article <50XNJ.192007$_5r7.54557@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >>>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for your
> >>>>>> Mac
> >>>>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App Store
> >>>>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
> >>>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
> >>>>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international taxes,
> >>>>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that separately,
> >>>>> reducing net revenue.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
> >>>>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
> >>>>> whatever it is they want to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
> >>>>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
> >>>>> another added cost.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't believe that.
> >>>
> >>> then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
> >>>
> >>> you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
> >>>
> >>> you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
> >>
> >> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That figures.
> >
> > how is it you don't understand very simple words?
> >
> > is english your second language?
>
> It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
>
> There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.

you're the one who is being combative.

> >>>>> for indie developers, the app store a very good deal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If there1s ever an
> >>>>>> app that refuses to give us enough commission, Apple can remove it from
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> store quickly."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> that is simply false.
> >>>>
> >>>> As is usual for you, you provide no evidence for your claim.
> >>>
> >>> no need, since it's wrong on its face.
> >>>
> >>> it is not possible for an app to 'refuse to give us enough commission'.
> >>>
> >>> read the terms of service for the app store, not that you'll understand
> >>> it.
> >>
> >> I did read there once. Apple take 30% I believe.
> >
> > whoosh.
>
> Have they recently reduced their cut?

whoosh^2.

how is it you don't understand very simple words?
is english your second language?

On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
> In article <50XNJ.192007$_5r7.54557@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for your
>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App Store
>>>>>>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
>>>>>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
>>>>>>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international taxes,
>>>>>>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that separately,
>>>>>>> reducing net revenue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
>>>>>>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
>>>>>>> whatever it is they want to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
>>>>>>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
>>>>>>> another added cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe that.
>>>>>
>>>>> then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
>>>>>
>>>>> you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
>>>>
>>>> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That figures.
>>>
>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>
>>> is english your second language?
>>
>> It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
>>
>> There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.
>
> you're the one who is being combative.

You really ARE a foreigner aren't you?

I speak and write the QUEEN'S English.

>>>>>>> for indie developers, the app store a very good deal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If there1s ever an
>>>>>>>> app that refuses to give us enough commission, Apple can remove it from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> store quickly."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that is simply false.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As is usual for you, you provide no evidence for your claim.
>>>>>
>>>>> no need, since it's wrong on its face.
>>>>>
>>>>> it is not possible for an app to 'refuse to give us enough commission'.
>>>>>
>>>>> read the terms of service for the app store, not that you'll understand
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I did read there once. Apple take 30% I believe.
>>>
>>> whoosh.
>>
>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>
> whoosh^2.
>
> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
> is english your second language?

How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)

On 12/02/2022 23:15, David Brooks wrote:
> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>> In article <50XNJ.192007$_5r7.54557@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks
>> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs
>>>>>>>>> for your
>>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the
>>>>>>>>> App Store
>>>>>>>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
>>>>>>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates,
>>>>>>>> reviews,
>>>>>>>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international
>>>>>>>> taxes,
>>>>>>>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that
>>>>>>>> separately,
>>>>>>>> reducing net revenue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
>>>>>>>> whatever it is they want to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
>>>>>>>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for
>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>>>> another added cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That
>>>>> figures.
>>>>
>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>
>>>> is english your second language?
>>>
>>> It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
>>>
>>> There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.
>>
>> you're the one who is being combative.
>
> You really ARE a foreigner aren't you?
>
> I speak and write the QUEEN'S English.
>
>>>>>>>> for indie developers, the app store a very good deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there1s ever an
>>>>>>>>> app that refuses to give us enough commission, Apple can remove
>>>>>>>>> it from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> store quickly."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that is simply false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As is usual for you, you provide no evidence for your claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no need, since it's wrong on its face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it is not possible for an app to 'refuse to give us enough
>>>>>> commission'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> read the terms of service for the app store, not that you'll
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did read there once. Apple take 30% I believe.
>>>>
>>>> whoosh.
>>>
>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>
>> whoosh^2.
>>
>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>> is english your second language?
>
> How did you type this word?  whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)

https://ibb.co/5577h5b

Hmmm!

In article <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >>>>>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for
> >>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>> Mac
> >>>>>>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App
> >>>>>>>> Store
> >>>>>>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
> >>>>>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
> >>>>>>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international taxes,
> >>>>>>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that separately,
> >>>>>>> reducing net revenue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
> >>>>>>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
> >>>>>>> whatever it is they want to do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
> >>>>>>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
> >>>>>>> another added cost.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't believe that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
> >>>>
> >>>> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That
> >>>> figures.
> >>>
> >>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
> >>>
> >>> is english your second language?
> >>
> >> It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
> >>
> >> There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.
> >
> > you're the one who is being combative.
>
> You really ARE a foreigner aren't you?
>
> I speak and write the QUEEN'S English.

in devon?

not that it matters, since you're deliberately avoiding the topic,
which means you know you're wrong. again.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:18:22 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:21:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hgo6hafmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:46:46 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>
>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>
>> When did the world get populated by sissies? When I were a lad anyone taking a
>> precaution was laughed at and beaten up.
>
> You assume a character flaw in things that improve society.

Society has not been improved by shoving red tape everywhere to get in the way of people getting their work achieved. The most efficient workers are those that ignore the rules.

> Try living a few hundred years ago. Try living as a hunter and gatherer.

I'd love to. Much simpler. I can't wait until we go back to that when we use up all the resources.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:21:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:22:19 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hgo7hnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>
>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>
>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I used
>>> MK.
>>
>> Never heard of MK, but VLC handles everything. Quite why 50 formats were
>> developed I don't know.
>
> And it is worse than just formats... you have a kazillion video formats and a
> kazillion audio formats and then different wrappers. And of course you can
> also have different subtitle tracks and multiple sound tracks (and video for
> that matter). Some of this comes from the advancement of tech, but some comes
> from people re-inventing the wheel.

Indeed. It's all very well making a new format which has much better compression, but not if it only improves it by 2%.

I bet it's more to do with people not being able to use other formats due to pathetic childish copyright laws.

On that note, I'm surprised VLC can be free when all those codecs are supposed to be paid for.

On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:26:56 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hh566qsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:21:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:22:19 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hgo7hnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>
>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>
>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I used
>>>> MK.
>>>
>>> Never heard of MK, but VLC handles everything. Quite why 50 formats were
>>> developed I don't know.
>>
>> And it is worse than just formats... you have a kazillion video formats and a
>> kazillion audio formats and then different wrappers. And of course you can
>> also have different subtitle tracks and multiple sound tracks (and video for
>> that matter). Some of this comes from the advancement of tech, but some comes
>> from people re-inventing the wheel.
>
> Indeed. It's all very well making a new format which has much better
> compression, but not if it only improves it by 2%.
>
> I bet it's more to do with people not being able to use other formats due to
> pathetic childish copyright laws.

Copyright and other IP laws. Sure.

> On that note, I'm surprised VLC can be free when all those codecs are supposed
> to be paid for.

I have wondered about that.

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On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:25:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hh540bimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:18:22 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:21:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hgo6hafmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:46:46 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>> Yup.
>>>
>>> When did the world get populated by sissies? When I were a lad anyone taking a
>>> precaution was laughed at and beaten up.
>>
>> You assume a character flaw in things that improve society.
>
> Society has not been improved by shoving red tape everywhere to get in the way
> of people getting their work achieved. The most efficient workers are those
> that ignore the rules.

No doubt things have been handled poorly -- and in any large system there will
always be issues. There is no utopia. But we are much better off with safety
standards than without.

>> Try living a few hundred years ago. Try living as a hunter and gatherer.
>
> I'd love to. Much simpler. I can't wait until we go back to that when we use
> up all the resources.

You still can. There are islands where there are few people.

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On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:

> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>> In article <50XNJ.192007$_5r7.54557@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks
>> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for your
>>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App Store
>>>>>>>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
>>>>>>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
>>>>>>>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international taxes,
>>>>>>>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that separately,
>>>>>>>> reducing net revenue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
>>>>>>>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
>>>>>>>> whatever it is they want to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
>>>>>>>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
>>>>>>>> another added cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That figures.
>>>>
>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>
>>>> is english your second language?
>>>
>>> It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
>>>
>>> There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.
>>
>> you're the one who is being combative.
>
> You really ARE a foreigner aren't you?
>
> I speak and write the QUEEN'S English.
>
>>>>>>>> for indie developers, the app store a very good deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If there1s ever an
>>>>>>>>> app that refuses to give us enough commission, Apple can remove it from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> store quickly."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that is simply false.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As is usual for you, you provide no evidence for your claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no need, since it's wrong on its face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it is not possible for an app to 'refuse to give us enough commission'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> read the terms of service for the app store, not that you'll understand
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did read there once. Apple take 30% I believe.
>>>>
>>>> whoosh.
>>>
>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>
>> whoosh^2.
>>
>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>> is english your second language?
>
> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)

What do you mean not as it came out?

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On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:48:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hh1mptimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>> We are superior to you pathetic yanks!
>>
>> Because nothing was ever invented in America?
>
> According to Wikipedia, 79 inventions came from Scotland, and 200 from America.

I doubt Wikipedia says that.

>
> Now consider the populations. That means 1 in 69,189 Scots have invented
> something. But only 1 in 1,670,203 Americans. Which means a Scotsman is 24
> times more likely to invent something than an American.

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On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:42:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hh1dlffmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 04:54:22 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:43 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:09:53 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>>>>>> Royce.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>>>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Double clicking
>>>>>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>>>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>>>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>>>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>>>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>>>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>>>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>>>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>>>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>>>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>>>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>>>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>>>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>>>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>>>>>> associated with the file)
>>>>>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>>>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>>>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>>>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>>>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not just play them in the browser like everyone else?
>>>>
>>>> I don=E2=80=99t like ads.
>>>
>>> Your browser permits ads? Oh dear. I never see Youtube ads or any other ad.
>>
>> What browser do you use that doesn=E2=80=99t show you YouTube ads?
>
> Opera with some plugins. Opera has huge numbers of plugins available. But
> they're available for most other browsers too. I think it's "Enhancer for
> YouTube"

On Feb 12, 2022 at 3:40:15 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hh09dggmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 04:54:21 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:42 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:15:51 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why I
>>>>>>> buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
>>>>>>> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or
>>>>>>> at difficult angles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can%19t avoid benefiting from government regulations that are designed to
>>>>>> protect you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong on both counts. I have just told you how I avoid them. And I
>>>>> don't benefit from something being more expensive so pansies can use them
>>>>> safely.
>>>>
>>>> You benefit in ways you don=E2=80=99t see. Ok.
>>>
>>> How can I benefit from something I don't use? "That's why I buy Chinese
>>> Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test"
>>
>> You benefit from things and the society. As long as you=E2=80=99re in the
>> society
>> you can=E2=80=99t help it.
>
> Yes I can, by not using the safe things.

The things you buy, the roads you use, the tools you work with -- almost all
have some level of safety standards built in. You cannot avoid it and live in
a modern society.

>
>> You simply want to take and not be required to give back.
>
> Nothing to do with this conversation.

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:55:57 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 12:38:08 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <B0UNJ.192005$_5r7.47265@fx09.ams1>:
>
>> On 12/02/2022 18:04, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 1:30:00 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <ceKNJ.19199$fGj4.2348@fx04.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/02/2022 03:46, Snit wrote:
>>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats — but been a long time since I used MK.
>>>>
>>>> They really should update THIS page:-
>>>>
>>>> https://ibb.co/5vqGRNm (Screenshot)
>>>>
>>>> This one is fine:- https://www.videolan.org
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your advice.
>>>
>>> Maybe they left in the OS X for folks with older systems or using older links?
>>
>> Perhaps they have. I did drop them an email about it.
>>
>> Using OS X in 2022 is rather like folk using Windows 95 - best not to do
>> so, in my opinion.
>
> I would agree it is better to use newer systems... though not all have access.

Have you never heard of piratebay?

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:22:05 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:26:56 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hh566qsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:21:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:22:19 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hgo7hnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I used
>>>>> MK.
>>>>
>>>> Never heard of MK, but VLC handles everything. Quite why 50 formats were
>>>> developed I don't know.
>>>
>>> And it is worse than just formats... you have a kazillion video formats and a
>>> kazillion audio formats and then different wrappers. And of course you can
>>> also have different subtitle tracks and multiple sound tracks (and video for
>>> that matter). Some of this comes from the advancement of tech, but some comes
>>> from people re-inventing the wheel.
>>
>> Indeed. It's all very well making a new format which has much better
>> compression, but not if it only improves it by 2%.
>>
>> I bet it's more to do with people not being able to use other formats due to
>> pathetic childish copyright laws.
>
> Copyright and other IP laws. Sure.

Which have caused everyone to reinvent the wheel and cause countless headaches.

>> On that note, I'm surprised VLC can be free when all those codecs are supposed
>> to be paid for.
>
> I have wondered about that.

Because they ignore the stupid rues? Maybe they're based in a more sensible country like China or Russia.

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:23:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:25:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hh540bimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:18:22 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:21:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hgo6hafmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:46:46 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup.
>>>>
>>>> When did the world get populated by sissies? When I were a lad anyone taking a
>>>> precaution was laughed at and beaten up.
>>>
>>> You assume a character flaw in things that improve society.
>>
>> Society has not been improved by shoving red tape everywhere to get in the way
>> of people getting their work achieved. The most efficient workers are those
>> that ignore the rules.
>
> No doubt things have been handled poorly -- and in any large system there will
> always be issues. There is no utopia. But we are much better off with safety
> standards than without.

No we're not. You're free to be safe if you want. But it's wrong to force others to be safe if they don't want to.

>>> Try living a few hundred years ago. Try living as a hunter and gatherer.
>>
>> I'd love to. Much simpler. I can't wait until we go back to that when we use
>> up all the resources.
>
> You still can. There are islands where there are few people.

That's cheating. It would feel like playing a computer game.

On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>
>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>>
>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>
>>> whoosh^2.
>>>
>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>> is english your second language?
>>
>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)
>
> What do you mean not as it came out?

https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png

On 12/02/2022 23:28, nospam wrote:
> In article <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me run that through a translator for you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The most profitable place for us for you downloading programs for
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>>>>>> is the App Store. Apple takes commission from each app in the App
>>>>>>>>>> Store
>>>>>>>>>> before it1s accepted and signs it to
>>>>>>>>>> ensure that we've made a profit off someone else's work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> apple's cut pays for hosting, bandwidth, automatic updates, reviews,
>>>>>>>>> payment processing, fraud, chargebacks, refunds, international taxes,
>>>>>>>>> currency conversions and quite a bit more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> apps not on the app store would need to handle all of that separately,
>>>>>>>>> reducing net revenue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> another cost for apps not on the app store is a nice website and the
>>>>>>>>> necessary seo so that people can find the app when searching to do
>>>>>>>>> whatever it is they want to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> most app developers are not good at designing web sites (and vice
>>>>>>>>> versa) so very likely, they'd need to hire someone to do it, for yet
>>>>>>>>> another added cost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't believe that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> then you'd be wrong. very much wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you've never written any apps, app store or otherwise. i have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you wouldn't even know where to begin, let alone actually do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So now you are telling me that YOU cannot design a web site. That
>>>>>> figures.
>>>>>
>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>
>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>
>>>> It's always best to 'know your enemy'.
>>>>
>>>> There again, I've no idea why you want to fight.
>>>
>>> you're the one who is being combative.
>>
>> You really ARE a foreigner aren't you?
>>
>> I speak and write the QUEEN'S English.
>
> in devon?
>
> not that it matters, since you're deliberately avoiding the topic,
> which means you know you're wrong. again.

Show me an App which you claim you have written.

On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:52:41 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hifp3a2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:55:57 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 12:38:08 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <B0UNJ.192005$_5r7.47265@fx09.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 12/02/2022 18:04, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 1:30:00 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <ceKNJ.19199$fGj4.2348@fx04.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/02/2022 03:46, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I
>>>>>> used MK.
>>>>>
>>>>> They really should update THIS page:-
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ibb.co/5vqGRNm (Screenshot)
>>>>>
>>>>> This one is fine:- https://www.videolan.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your advice.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe they left in the OS X for folks with older systems or using older links?
>>>
>>> Perhaps they have. I did drop them an email about it.
>>>
>>> Using OS X in 2022 is rather like folk using Windows 95 - best not to do
>>> so, in my opinion.
>>
>> I would agree it is better to use newer systems... though not all have access.
>
> Have you never heard of piratebay?

I have though I have not used it.

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On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:54:11 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hifslxcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:22:05 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:26:56 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hh566qsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:21:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:22:19 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1hgo7hnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I used
>>>>>> MK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never heard of MK, but VLC handles everything. Quite why 50 formats were
>>>>> developed I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> And it is worse than just formats... you have a kazillion video formats and a
>>>> kazillion audio formats and then different wrappers. And of course you can
>>>> also have different subtitle tracks and multiple sound tracks (and video for
>>>> that matter). Some of this comes from the advancement of tech, but some comes
>>>> from people re-inventing the wheel.
>>>
>>> Indeed. It's all very well making a new format which has much better
>>> compression, but not if it only improves it by 2%.
>>>
>>> I bet it's more to do with people not being able to use other formats due to
>>> pathetic childish copyright laws.
>>
>> Copyright and other IP laws. Sure.
>
> Which have caused everyone to reinvent the wheel and cause countless headaches.

And also led to some improvements... but, yes, some IP laws can be absurd
(Disney has far too much power in IP laws!)

>
>>> On that note, I'm surprised VLC can be free when all those codecs are supposed
>>> to be paid for.
>>
>> I have wondered about that.
>
> Because they ignore the stupid rues? Maybe they're based in a more sensible
> country like China or Russia.

Does not seem like it... but since it is free they are less impacted by some
laws.

https://www.ffmpeg.org/legal.html

(VLC used FFmpeg)

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On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:55:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hifuadzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 01:23:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 5:25:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hh540bimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 06:18:22 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:21:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1hgo6hafmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:46:46 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup.
>>>>>
>>>>> When did the world get populated by sissies? When I were a lad anyone taking a
>>>>> precaution was laughed at and beaten up.
>>>>
>>>> You assume a character flaw in things that improve society.
>>>
>>> Society has not been improved by shoving red tape everywhere to get in the way
>>> of people getting their work achieved. The most efficient workers are those
>>> that ignore the rules.
>>
>> No doubt things have been handled poorly -- and in any large system there will
>> always be issues. There is no utopia. But we are much better off with safety
>> standards than without.
>
> No we're not. You're free to be safe if you want. But it's wrong to force
> others to be safe if they don't want to.

The standards are set and cannot be changed on a per-person situation. You go
to the store to buy an apple... they are not going to have the apples which
have had protections from regulations and the ones that have not. Or if they
do they cannot for every product.

>
>>>> Try living a few hundred years ago. Try living as a hunter and gatherer.
>>>
>>> I'd love to. Much simpler. I can't wait until we go back to that when we use
>>> up all the resources.
>>
>> You still can. There are islands where there are few people.
>
> That's cheating. It would feel like playing a computer game.

Back to you wanting the benefits but not agreeing to requirements to give back
a smaller amount then you get.

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