On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:10:48 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly
>>>>>>>>>>> stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>
>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>
>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>
>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>
>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>
> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
> weakness itself.

Can't you learn to state your opinion more precisely? I can't be bothered parsing that.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:10:48 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly
>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>
>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>
>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>
>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>> weakness itself.
>
> Can't you learn to state your opinion more precisely? I can't be bothered parsing that.
>

You noted a weakness of unfettered markets.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>
>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>
>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>
>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>> weakness itself.
>>
>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>
> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why I
> buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or at difficult angles.
>

You can’t avoid benefiting from government regulations that are designed to
protect you.

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:15:50 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:10:48 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>
>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>
>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>> weakness itself.
>>
>> Can't you learn to state your opinion more precisely? I can't be bothered parsing that.
>>
>
> You noted a weakness of unfettered markets.

There you go again.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:15:51 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>
>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>> weakness itself.
>>>
>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>
>> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why I
>> buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
>> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or at difficult angles.
>
> You can’t avoid benefiting from government regulations that are designed to
> protect you.

Wrong on both counts. I have just told you how I avoid them. And I don't benefit from something being more expensive so pansies can use them safely.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:15:51 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>
>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>
>>> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why I
>>> buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
>>> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or
>>> at difficult angles.
>>
>> You cant avoid benefiting from government regulations that are designed to
>> protect you.
>
> Wrong on both counts. I have just told you how I avoid them. And I
> don't benefit from something being more expensive so pansies can use them safely.
>

You benefit in ways you don’t see. Ok.

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:09:53 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>> Royce.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>
>>>> * Double clicking
>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>> associated with the file)
>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>
>>> All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
>>
>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>> VLC where they play without ads.
>
> Why not just play them in the browser like everyone else?

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:22:01 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>
>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>> how
>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>> done to
>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>
>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>> Royce.
>>
>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>> introduced to the world:
>>
>> * Double clicking
>> * Trash can (or the like)
>> * Graying out inactive items
>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>> * Drag and drop
>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>> * Control panel to set system settings
>> * Pull down menus
>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>> associated with the file)
>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>> and done at NeXT)
>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>
> Start menu, worth more than all of those.

One cluttered place where you can do anything.

Except start the computer.

> Mac users are obsessed with using the desktop!

Huh?

> I have nothing on the desktop. It's under the program I'm running, I
> don't want to have to go under there!

What do I need to keep on the desktop?

> And if you want big lists, this is everything the Scots have invented:
>
> Road transport innovations
> Macadamised roads (the basis for, but not specifically, tarmac): John
> Loudon McAdam (1756–1836)[3]
> The pedal bicycle: Attributed to both Kirkpatrick Macmillan
> (1813–1878)[2] and Thomas McCall (1834–1904)
> The pneumatic tyre: Robert William Thomson and John Boyd Dunlop (1822–1873)[9]
> The overhead valve engine: David Dunbar Buick (1854–1929)[10]
> Civil engineering innovations
> Tubular steel: Sir William Fairbairn (1789–1874)[11]
> The Falkirk wheel: Initial designs by Nicoll Russell Studios, Architects,
> RMJM and engineers Binnie, Black, and Veatch (Opened 2002)[12][13]
> The patent slip for docking vessels: Thomas Morton (1781–1832)[14][15]
> The Drummond Light: Thomas Drummond (1797–1840)[16]
> Canal design: Thomas Telford (1757–1834)[17]
> Dock design improvements: John Rennie (1761–1821)[18]
> Crane design improvements: James Bremner (1784–1856)[19]
> "Trac Rail Transposer", a machine to lay rail track patented in 2005,
> used by Network Rail in the United Kingdom and the New York City Subway
> in the United States.[20][21][22]
> Aviation innovations
> Aircraft design: Frank Barnwell (1910) Establishing the fundamentals of
> aircraft design at the University of Glasgow.[23]
> Power innovations
> Condensing steam engine improvements: James Watt (1736–1819)[1]
> Thermodynamic cycle: William John Macquorn Rankine (1820–1872)[24]
> Coal-gas lighting: William Murdoch (1754–1839)[25]
> The Stirling heat engine: Rev. Robert Stirling (1790–1878)[26]
> Carbon brushes for dynamos: George Forbes (1849–1936)[27]
> The Clerk cycle gas engine: Sir Dugald Clerk (1854–1932)[28]
> The wave-powered electricity generator: by South African Engineer Stephen
> Salter in 1977[29]
> The Pelamis Wave Energy Converter ("red sea snake"
> wave energy device): Richard Yemm, 1998[30]
> Shipbuilding innovations
> Europe's first passenger steamboat: Henry Bell (1767–1830)[31]
> The first iron–hulled steamship: Sir William Fairbairn (1789–1874)[32]
> The first practical screw propeller: Robert Wilson (1803–1882)[citation needed]
> Marine engine innovations: James Howden (1832–1913)[33]
> John Elder and Charles Randolph (Marine Compound expansion engine)[33]
> Military innovations
> Lieutenant-General Sir David Henderson two areas:
> Field intelligence. Argued for the establishment of the Intelligence
> Corps. Wrote Field Intelligence: Its Principles and Practice (1904) and
> The Art of Reconnaissance (1907) on the tactical intelligence of modern warfare.[34]
> Intelligence: Allan Pinkerton developed the still relevant intelligence
> techniques of "shadowing" (surveillance) and "assuming a role"
> (undercover work) in his time as head of the Union Intelligence Service.
> Heavy industry innovations
> Coal mining extraction in the sea on an artificial island by Sir George
> Bruce of Carnock (1575). Regarded as one of the industrial wonders of the
> late medieval period.[35]
> Making cast steel from wrought iron: David Mushet (1772–1847)[36]
> Wrought iron sash bars for glass houses: John C. Loudon (1783–1865)[37]
> The hot blast oven: James Beaumont Neilson (1792–1865)[38]
> The steam hammer: James Nasmyth (1808–1890)[39]
> Wire rope: Robert Stirling Newall (1812–1889)[40]
> Steam engine improvements: William Mcnaught (1831–1881)[41]
> The Fairlie, a narrow gauge, double-bogie railway engine: Robert Francis
> Fairlie (1831–1885)[42]
> Cordite - Sir James Dewar, Sir Frederick Abel (1889)[43]
> Agricultural innovations
> Threshing machine improvements: James Meikle (c.1690-c.1780) & Andrew
> Meikle (1719–1811)[44]
> Hollow pipe drainage: Sir Hew Dalrymple, Lord
> Drummore (1700–1753)[45]
> The Scotch plough: James Anderson of Hermiston (1739–1808)[46]
> Deanstonisation soil-drainage system: James Smith (1789–1850)[47]
> The mechanical reaping machine: Rev. Patrick Bell (1799–1869)[48]
> The Fresno scraper: James Porteous (1848–1922)[49]
> The Tuley tree shelter: Graham Tuley in 1979[50]
> Communication innovations
> Telephone: Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922)
> Print stereotyping: William Ged (1690–1749)[51]
> Roller printing: Thomas Bell (patented 1783)[52]
> The adhesive postage stamp and the postmark: claimed by James Chalmers (1782–1853)[53]
> The Waverley pen nib innovations thereof: Duncan Cameron (1825–1901) The
> popular "Waverley" was unique in design with a narrow waist and an
> upturned tip designed to make the ink flow more smoothly on the paper.[54]
> Universal Standard Time: Sir Sandford Fleming (1827–1915)[55]
> Light signalling between ships: Admiral Philip H. Colomb (1831–1899)[56]
> The underlying principles of radio: James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879)[57]
> The Kinetoscope, a motion picture camera: devised in 1889 by William
> Kennedy Dickson (1860-1935)[58]
> The teleprinter: Frederick G. Creed (1871–1957)[59]
> The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC): John Reith, 1st Baron Reith
> (1922) its founder, first general manager and director-general of the
> British Broadcasting Corporation[60]
> RADAR: A significant contribution made by Robert Watson-Watt (1892–1973)
> alongside Englishman Henry Tizard (1885-1959) and others[61]
> The automated teller machine and Personal Identification Number system:
> James Goodfellow (born 1937)[62]
> Publishing firsts
> The first edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1768–81)[63]
> The first English textbook on surgery (1597)[64]
> The first modern pharmacopaedia, William Cullen (1776). The book became
> 'Europe's principal text on the classification and treatment of disease'.
> His ideas survive in the terms nervous energy and neuroses (a word that Cullen coined).[65]
> The first postcards and picture postcards in the UK[66]
> The educational foundation of Ophthalmology: Stewart Duke-Elder in his
> ground breaking work including ‘Textbook of Ophthalmology and fifteen
> volumes of System of Ophthalmology’[67]
> Culture and the arts
> Scottish National Portrait Gallery, designed by Sir Robert Rowand
> Anderson (1889): the world's first purpose-built portrait gallery.[68]
> Scientific innovations
> Logarithms: John Napier (1550–1617)[69]
> Modern Economics founded by Adam Smith (1776) 'The father of modern
> economics'[70] with the publication of The Wealth of Nations.[71][72]
> Modern Sociology: Adam Ferguson (1767) ‘The Father of Modern Sociology’
> with his work An Essay on the History of Civil Society[73]
> Hypnotism: James Braid (1795–1860) the Father of Hypnotherapy[74]
> Tropical medicine: Sir Patrick Manson known as the father of Tropical Medicine[75]
> Modern Geology: James Hutton ‘The Founder of Modern Geology’[76][77][78]
> The theory of Uniformitarianism: James Hutton (1788): a fundamental
> principle of Geology the features of the geologic time takes millions of years.[79]
> The theory of electromagnetism: James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879)[80]
> The discovery of the Composition of Saturn's Rings James Clerk Maxwell
> (1859): determined the rings of Saturn were composed of numerous small
> particles, all independently orbiting the planet. At the time it was
> generally thought the rings were solid. The Maxwell Ringlet and Maxwell
> Gap were named in his honor.[81]
> The Maxwell–Boltzmann distribution by James Clerk Maxwell (1860): the
> basis of the kinetic theory of gases, that speeds of molecules in a gas
> will change at different temperatures. The original theory first
> hypothesised by Maxwell and confirmed later in conjunction with Ludwig Boltzmann.[82]
> Popularising the decimal point: John Napier (1550–1617)[83]
> The first theory of the Higgs boson by English born [84] Peter Higgs
> particle-physics theorist at the University of Edinburgh (1964)[85]
> The Gregorian telescope: James Gregory (1638–1675)[86]
> The discovery of Proxima Centauri, the closest known star to the Sun, by
> Robert Innes (1861–1933)[87]
> One of the earliest measurements of distance to the Alpha Centauri star
> system, the closest such system outside of the Solar System, by Thomas
> Henderson (1798–1844)[88]
> The discovery of Centaurus A, a well-known starburst galaxy in the
> constellation of Centaurus, by James Dunlop (1793–1848)[89]
> The discovery of the Horsehead Nebula in the constellation of Orion, by
> Williamina Fleming (1857–1911)[90]
> The world's first oil refinery and a process of extracting paraffin from
> coal laying the foundations for the modern oil industry: James Young (1811–1883)[91]
> The identification of the minerals yttrialite, thorogummite, aguilarite
> and nivenite: by William Niven (1889)[92]
> The concept of latent heat by French-born Joseph Black (1728–1799)[93]
> Discovering the properties of Carbon dioxide by French-born Joseph Black (1728–1799)
> The concept of Heat capacity by French-born Joseph Black (1728–1799)
> The pyroscope, atmometer and aethrioscope scientific instruments: Sir
> John Leslie (1766–1832)[94]
> Identifying the nucleus in living cells: Robert Brown (1773–1858)[95]
> An early form of the Incandescent light bulb: James Bowman Lindsay (1799-1862)[96]
> Colloid chemistry: Thomas Graham (1805–1869)[97]
> The kelvin SI unit of temperature by Irishman William Thomson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907)[98]
> Devising the diagramatic system of representing chemical bonds: Alexander
> Crum Brown (1838–1922)[99]
> Criminal fingerprinting: Henry Faulds (1843–1930)[100]
> The noble gases: Sir William Ramsay (1852–1916)[101]
> The cloud chamber recording of atoms: Charles Thomson Rees Wilson (1869–1959)[102][103]
> The discovery of the Wave of Translation, leading to the modern general
> theory of solitons by John Scott Russell (1808-1882)[104]
> Statistical graphics: William Playfair founder of the first statistical
> line charts, bar charts, and pie charts in (1786) and (1801) known as a
> scientific ‘milestone’ in statistical graphs and data visualization[105][106]
> The Arithmetic mean density of the Earth: Nevil Maskelyne conducted the
> Schiehallion experiment conducted at the Scottish mountain of
> Schiehallion, Perthshire 1774[107]
> The first isolation of methylated sugars, trimethyl and tetramethyl
> glucose: James Irvine[108][109]
> Discovery of the Japp–Klingemann reaction: to synthesize hydrazones from
> β-keto-acids (or β-keto-esters) and aryl diazonium salts 1887[110]
> Pioneering work on nutrition and poverty: John Boyd Orr (1880–1971)[111]
> Ferrocene synthetic substances: Peter Ludwig Pauson in 1955[112]
> The first cloned mammal (Dolly the Sheep): Was conducted in The Roslin
> Institute research centre in 1996 by English scientists Ian Wilmut (born
> 1944) and Keith Campbell (1954–2012).[113]
> The seismometer innovations thereof: James David Forbes[114]
> Metaflex fabric innovations thereof: University of St. Andrews (2010)
> application of the first manufacturing fabrics that manipulate light in
> bending it around a subject. Before this such light manipulating atoms
> were fixed on flat hard surfaces. The team at St Andrews are the first to
> develop the concept to fabric.[115]
> Tractor beam innovations thereof: St. Andrews University (2013) the
> world's first to succeed in creating a functioning Tractor beam that
> pulls objects on a microscopic level[116][117]
> Macaulayite: Dr. Jeff Wilson of the Macaulay Institute, Aberdeen.[118]
> Discovery of Catacol whitebeam by Scottish Natural Heritage and the Royal
> Botanic Garden Edinburgh (1990s): a rare tree endemic and unique to the
> Isle of Arran in south west Scotland. The trees were confirmed as a
> distinct species by DNA testing.[119]
> The first positive displacement liquid flowmeter, the reciprocating
> piston meter by Thomas Kennedy Snr.[120]
>
> Sports innovations
> Main article: Sport in Scotland
> Scots have been instrumental in the invention and early development of several sports:
>
> Australian rules football Scots were prominent with many innovations in
> the early evolution of the game, including the establishment of the
> Essendon Football Club by the McCracken family from Ayrshire[121][122][123]
> Several modern athletics events, i.e. shot put[124] and the hammer
> throw,[124] derive from Highland Games and earlier 12th century Scotland[124]
> Curling[125]
> Gaelic handball The modern game of handball is first recorded in Scotland
> in 1427, when King James I, an ardent handball player, had his men block
> up a cellar window in his palace courtyard that was interfering with his game.[126]
> Cycling, invention of the pedal-cycle[127]
> Golf (see Golf in Scotland)
> 1848: Association football's Glasgow rules (largely the sport's rules as
> we know them today) established at University of Glasgow.[128]
> Ice Hockey, invented by the Scots regiments in Atlantic Canada by playing
> Shinty on frozen lakes.
> Shinty The history of Shinty as a non-standardised sport pre-dates
> Scotland the Nation. The rules were standardised in the 19th century by
> Archibald Chisholm[129]
> Rugby sevens: Ned Haig and David Sanderson (1883)[130]
> The Dugout was invented by Aberdeen FC Coach Donald Colman in the 1920s
> The world's first Robot Olympics which took place in Glasgow in 1990.
> Medical innovations
> Pioneering the use of surgical anaesthesia with Chloroform: Firstly in
> 1842 by Robert Mortimer Glover then extended for use on humans by Sir
> James Young Simpson (1811–1870)[131] Initial use of chloroform in
> dentistry by Francis Brodie Imlach
> The Saline drip by Dr Thomas Latta of Leith in 1831/32
> The hypodermic syringe: Alexander Wood (1817–1884)[132]
> First diagnostic applications of an ultrasound scanner: Ian Donald (1910–1987)[133]
> Independent discovery of inoculation for smallpox: Johnnie Notions (c. 1730 – c. 1803)[134]
> Discovery of hypnotism (November 1841): James Braid (1795–1860)[135]
> General anaesthetic: Pioneered by Scotsman James Young Simpson and
> Englishman John Snow[136]
> Identifying the mosquito as the carrier of
> malaria: Sir Ronald Ross (1857–1932)[137]
> Identifying the cause of brucellosis: Sir David Bruce (1855–1931)[138]
> Discovering the vaccine for typhoid fever: Sir William B. Leishman (1865–1926)[139]
> Electrocardiography: Alexander Muirhead (1869)[140][141]
> Discovery of Staphylococcus: Sir Alexander Ogston (1880)[142]
> Discovering insulin: John J R Macleod (1876–1935) with others[8] The
> discovery led him to be awarded the 1923 Nobel prize in Medicine.[143]
> Penicillin: Sir Alexander Fleming (1881–1955)[7]
> Pioneering of X-ray cinematography: John Macintyre (1896); the first
> moving real time X-ray image and the first KUB X-ray diagnostic image of
> a kidney stone in situ[144][145][146]
> Establishment of standardized Ophthalmology: Sir Stewart Duke-Elder, a
> pioneering Ophthalmologist in the 1930-50s[67]
> The first hospital Radiation therapy unit: John Macintyre (1902); to
> assist in the diagnosis and treatment of injuries and illness at Glasgow
> Royal Infirmary[144]
> The Haldane effect, a property of hemoglobin: First described by John
> Scott Haldane (1907)[147]
> The first Decompression tables: John Scott Haldane (1908); to calculate
> the safe return of deep-sea divers to surface atmospheric pressure[148]
> Oxygen therapy: John Scott Haldane (1922), with the publication of ‘The
> Therapeutic Administration of Oxygen Therapy’, beginning the modern era
> of Oxygen therapy[149]
> Transplant rejection: Professor Thomas Gibson (1940s) the first medical
> doctor to understand the relationship between donor graft tissue and host
> tissue rejection and tissue transplantation by his work on aviation burns
> victims during World War II[150]
> Discovering an effective tuberculosis treatment: Sir John Crofton in the 1950s[151]
> Developing the first beta-blocker drugs: Sir James W. Black in 1964;[152]
> revolutionized the medical management of angina[153] and is considered to
> be one of the most important contributions to clinical medicine and
> pharmacology of the 20th century.[154] In 1988 Black was awarded the
> Nobel Prize in Medicine.
> Developing modern asthma therapy based both on bronchodilation
> (salbutamol) and anti-inflammatory steroids (beclomethasone
> dipropionate): Sir David Jack (1972)
> Glasgow coma scale: Graham Teasdale and Bryan J. Jennett (1974)[155]
> Glasgow Outcome Scale: Bryan J. Jennett & Sir Michael Bond (1975):
> diagnostic tool for patients with brain injuries, such as cerebral traumas[156]
> Discovering and developing the anesthetic drug Propofol: Dr. John B. Glen
> (1977); a globally-used surgical anesthetic common in general surgery
> cases. In 2018 Dr. Glen received a Lasker Award.[157]
> Glasgow Anxiety Scale: J.Mindham and C.A Espie (2003)[158]
> Glasgow Depression Scale: Fiona Cuthill (2003); the first accurate
> self-report scale to measure the levels of depression in people with
> learning disabilities[159]
> Discovering the Human papillomavirus vaccine: Ian Frazer (2006); the
> second cancer preventing vaccine, and the world's first vaccine designed
> to prevent a cancer[160]
> Surface Enhanced Raman Scattering (SERS): Strathclyde University (2014);
> a laser and nanoparticle test to detect Meningitis or multiple pathogenic
> agents at the same time.[161]
> Household innovations
> The television: John Logie Baird (1923)
> The refrigerator: William Cullen (1748)[162]
> The first electric bread toaster: Alan MacMasters (1893)
> The flush toilet: Alexander Cumming (1775)[163]
> The vacuum flask: Sir James Dewar (1847–1932)[164]
> The first distiller to triple distill Irish whiskey:[165]John Jameson (Whisky distiller)
> The piano footpedal: John Broadwood (1732–1812)[166]
> The first automated can-filling machine John West (1809–1888)[167]
> The waterproof macintosh: Charles Macintosh (1766–1843)[168]
> The kaleidoscope: Sir David Brewster (1781–1868)[169]
> Keiller's marmalade Janet Keiller (1797) - The first recipe of rind
> suspended marmalade or Dundee marmalade produced in Dundee.
> The modern lawnmower: Alexander Shanks (1801–1845)[170]
> The Lucifer friction match: Sir Isaac Holden (1807–1897)[171]
> The self filling pen: Robert Thomson (1822–1873)[172]
> Cotton-reel thread: J & J Clark of Paisley[173]
> Lime cordial: Lauchlan Rose in 1867
> Bovril beef extract: John Lawson Johnston in 1874[174]
> The electric clock: Alexander Bain (1840)[175]
> Chemical Telegraph (Automatic Telegraphy) Alexander Bain (1846) In
> England Bain's telegraph was used on the wires of the Electric Telegraph
> Company to a limited extent, and in 1850 it was used in America.[176]
> Barr's Irn-Bru, soft drink produced by Barr's in Cumbernauld Scotland and
> exported all around the world. The drink is so widely popular in Scotland
> that it outsells both American colas Coca-Cola and Pepsi and ranks 3rd
> most popular drink in the UK with Coca-Cola and Pepsi taking the first two spots.[177]
> Weapons innovations
> The carronade cannon: Robert Melville (1723–1809)[178]
> The Ferguson rifle: Patrick Ferguson in 1770[179]
> The Lee bolt system as used in the Lee–Metford and Lee–Enfield series
> rifles: James Paris Lee[180]
> The Ghillie suit pioneered by the Lovat Scouts[181]
> The percussion cap: invented by Scottish Presbyterian clergyman Alexander Forsyth[182]
> Miscellaneous innovations
> Boys' Brigade: Sir William Alexander Smith[183]
> Bank of England devised by William Paterson
> Bank of France devised by John Law
> Grand Theft Auto: developed by Scottish game developers DMA Design (later
> known as Rockstar North)
> The industrialisation and modernisation of Japan by Thomas Blake Glover[184]
> Colour photography: the first known permanent colour photograph was taken
> by James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879)[185]
> Buick Motor Company by David Dunbar Buick[186]
> New York Herald newspaper by James Gordon Bennett, Sr.[186]
> Pinkerton National Detective Agency by Allan Pinkerton[186]
> Forbes magazine by B. C. Forbes[186]
> The establishment of a standardized botanical institute: Isaac Bayley Balfour[187]
> London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine: founded by Sir Patrick Manson in 1899[75]
>

David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 19:09, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>> Royce.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>
>>>> * Double clicking
>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>> associated with the file)
>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>
>>> All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
>>
>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>> VLC where they play without ads.
>
> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
> same thing I believe.

David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>> it=E2=80=99d be a problem if it were true. as he=E2=80=99s incredibly
>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it=E2=80=99s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we=E2=80=99ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>
>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>
>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>
>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>> weakness itself.
>
> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>
>

Yup.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:42 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:15:51 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>
>>>> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why I
>>>> buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
>>>> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or
>>>> at difficult angles.
>>>
>>> You can%19t avoid benefiting from government regulations that are designed to
>>> protect you.
>>
>> Wrong on both counts. I have just told you how I avoid them. And I
>> don't benefit from something being more expensive so pansies can use them safely.
>
> You benefit in ways you don’t see. Ok.

How can I benefit from something I don't use? "That's why I buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test"

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:43 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:09:53 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>>> Royce.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Double clicking
>>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>>> associated with the file)
>>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>>
>>>> All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
>>>
>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>
>> Why not just play them in the browser like everyone else?
>
> I don’t like ads.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:44 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:22:01 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>> done to
>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>> nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>> Royce.
>>>
>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>> introduced to the world:
>>>
>>> * Double clicking
>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>> * Drag and drop
>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>> * Pull down menus
>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>> associated with the file)
>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>> and done at NeXT)
>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>
>> Start menu, worth more than all of those.
>
> One cluttered place where you can do anything.
>
> Except start the computer.

Obviously you can't interact with something that's off. It means to start a program, duh. No silly docks or desktops needed.

>> Mac users are obsessed with using the desktop!
>
> Huh?
>
>> I have nothing on the desktop. It's under the program I'm running, I
>> don't want to have to go under there!
>
> What do I need to keep on the desktop?

I see people with shortcuts/aliases to start programs there. A mess of documents, etc.

>> And if you want big lists, this is everything the Scots have invented:
>>
>> Road transport innovations
>> Macadamised roads (the basis for, but not specifically, tarmac): John
>> Loudon McAdam (1756–1836)[3]
>> The pedal bicycle: Attributed to both Kirkpatrick Macmillan
>> (1813–1878)[2] and Thomas McCall (1834–1904)
>> The pneumatic tyre: Robert William Thomson and John Boyd Dunlop (1822–1873)[9]
>> The overhead valve engine: David Dunbar Buick (1854–1929)[10]
>> Civil engineering innovations
>> Tubular steel: Sir William Fairbairn (1789–1874)[11]
>> The Falkirk wheel: Initial designs by Nicoll Russell Studios, Architects,
>> RMJM and engineers Binnie, Black, and Veatch (Opened 2002)[12][13]
>> The patent slip for docking vessels: Thomas Morton (1781–1832)[14][15]
>> The Drummond Light: Thomas Drummond (1797–1840)[16]
>> Canal design: Thomas Telford (1757–1834)[17]
>> Dock design improvements: John Rennie (1761–1821)[18]
>> Crane design improvements: James Bremner (1784–1856)[19]
>> "Trac Rail Transposer", a machine to lay rail track patented in 2005,
>> used by Network Rail in the United Kingdom and the New York City Subway
>> in the United States.[20][21][22]
>> Aviation innovations
>> Aircraft design: Frank Barnwell (1910) Establishing the fundamentals of
>> aircraft design at the University of Glasgow.[23]
>> Power innovations
>> Condensing steam engine improvements: James Watt (1736–1819)[1]
>> Thermodynamic cycle: William John Macquorn Rankine (1820–1872)[24]
>> Coal-gas lighting: William Murdoch (1754–1839)[25]
>> The Stirling heat engine: Rev. Robert Stirling (1790–1878)[26]
>> Carbon brushes for dynamos: George Forbes (1849–1936)[27]
>> The Clerk cycle gas engine: Sir Dugald Clerk (1854–1932)[28]
>> The wave-powered electricity generator: by South African Engineer Stephen
>> Salter in 1977[29]
>> The Pelamis Wave Energy Converter ("red sea snake"
>> wave energy device): Richard Yemm, 1998[30]
>> Shipbuilding innovations
>> Europe's first passenger steamboat: Henry Bell (1767–1830)[31]
>> The first iron–hulled steamship: Sir William Fairbairn (1789–1874)[32]
>> The first practical screw propeller: Robert Wilson (1803–1882)[citation needed]
>> Marine engine innovations: James Howden (1832–1913)[33]
>> John Elder and Charles Randolph (Marine Compound expansion engine)[33]
>> Military innovations
>> Lieutenant-General Sir David Henderson two areas:
>> Field intelligence. Argued for the establishment of the Intelligence
>> Corps. Wrote Field Intelligence: Its Principles and Practice (1904) and
>> The Art of Reconnaissance (1907) on the tactical intelligence of modern warfare.[34]
>> Intelligence: Allan Pinkerton developed the still relevant intelligence
>> techniques of "shadowing" (surveillance) and "assuming a role"
>> (undercover work) in his time as head of the Union Intelligence Service.
>> Heavy industry innovations
>> Coal mining extraction in the sea on an artificial island by Sir George
>> Bruce of Carnock (1575). Regarded as one of the industrial wonders of the
>> late medieval period.[35]
>> Making cast steel from wrought iron: David Mushet (1772–1847)[36]
>> Wrought iron sash bars for glass houses: John C. Loudon (1783–1865)[37]
>> The hot blast oven: James Beaumont Neilson (1792–1865)[38]
>> The steam hammer: James Nasmyth (1808–1890)[39]
>> Wire rope: Robert Stirling Newall (1812–1889)[40]
>> Steam engine improvements: William Mcnaught (1831–1881)[41]
>> The Fairlie, a narrow gauge, double-bogie railway engine: Robert Francis
>> Fairlie (1831–1885)[42]
>> Cordite - Sir James Dewar, Sir Frederick Abel (1889)[43]
>> Agricultural innovations
>> Threshing machine improvements: James Meikle (c.1690-c.1780) & Andrew
>> Meikle (1719–1811)[44]
>> Hollow pipe drainage: Sir Hew Dalrymple, Lord
>> Drummore (1700–1753)[45]
>> The Scotch plough: James Anderson of Hermiston (1739–1808)[46]
>> Deanstonisation soil-drainage system: James Smith (1789–1850)[47]
>> The mechanical reaping machine: Rev. Patrick Bell (1799–1869)[48]
>> The Fresno scraper: James Porteous (1848–1922)[49]
>> The Tuley tree shelter: Graham Tuley in 1979[50]
>> Communication innovations
>> Telephone: Alexander Graham Bell (1847-1922)
>> Print stereotyping: William Ged (1690–1749)[51]
>> Roller printing: Thomas Bell (patented 1783)[52]
>> The adhesive postage stamp and the postmark: claimed by James Chalmers (1782–1853)[53]
>> The Waverley pen nib innovations thereof: Duncan Cameron (1825–1901) The
>> popular "Waverley" was unique in design with a narrow waist and an
>> upturned tip designed to make the ink flow more smoothly on the paper..[54]
>> Universal Standard Time: Sir Sandford Fleming (1827–1915)[55]
>> Light signalling between ships: Admiral Philip H. Colomb (1831–1899)[56]
>> The underlying principles of radio: James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879)[57]
>> The Kinetoscope, a motion picture camera: devised in 1889 by William
>> Kennedy Dickson (1860-1935)[58]
>> The teleprinter: Frederick G. Creed (1871–1957)[59]
>> The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC): John Reith, 1st Baron Reith
>> (1922) its founder, first general manager and director-general of the
>> British Broadcasting Corporation[60]
>> RADAR: A significant contribution made by Robert Watson-Watt (1892–1973)
>> alongside Englishman Henry Tizard (1885-1959) and others[61]
>> The automated teller machine and Personal Identification Number system:
>> James Goodfellow (born 1937)[62]
>> Publishing firsts
>> The first edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica (1768–81)[63]
>> The first English textbook on surgery (1597)[64]
>> The first modern pharmacopaedia, William Cullen (1776). The book became
>> 'Europe's principal text on the classification and treatment of disease'.
>> His ideas survive in the terms nervous energy and neuroses (a word that Cullen coined).[65]
>> The first postcards and picture postcards in the UK[66]
>> The educational foundation of Ophthalmology: Stewart Duke-Elder in his
>> ground breaking work including ‘Textbook of Ophthalmology and fifteen
>> volumes of System of Ophthalmology’[67]
>> Culture and the arts
>> Scottish National Portrait Gallery, designed by Sir Robert Rowand
>> Anderson (1889): the world's first purpose-built portrait gallery.[68]
>> Scientific innovations
>> Logarithms: John Napier (1550–1617)[69]
>> Modern Economics founded by Adam Smith (1776) 'The father of modern
>> economics'[70] with the publication of The Wealth of Nations.[71][72]
>> Modern Sociology: Adam Ferguson (1767) ‘The Father of Modern Sociology’
>> with his work An Essay on the History of Civil Society[73]
>> Hypnotism: James Braid (1795–1860) the Father of Hypnotherapy[74]
>> Tropical medicine: Sir Patrick Manson known as the father of Tropical Medicine[75]
>> Modern Geology: James Hutton ‘The Founder of Modern Geology’[76][77][78]
>> The theory of Uniformitarianism: James Hutton (1788): a fundamental
>> principle of Geology the features of the geologic time takes millions of years.[79]
>> The theory of electromagnetism: James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879)[80]
>> The discovery of the Composition of Saturn's Rings James Clerk Maxwell
>> (1859): determined the rings of Saturn were composed of numerous small
>> particles, all independently orbiting the planet. At the time it was
>> generally thought the rings were solid. The Maxwell Ringlet and Maxwell
>> Gap were named in his honor.[81]
>> The Maxwell–Boltzmann distribution by James Clerk Maxwell (1860): the
>> basis of the kinetic theory of gases, that speeds of molecules in a gas
>> will change at different temperatures. The original theory first
>> hypothesised by Maxwell and confirmed later in conjunction with Ludwig Boltzmann.[82]
>> Popularising the decimal point: John Napier (1550–1617)[83]
>> The first theory of the Higgs boson by English born [84] Peter Higgs
>> particle-physics theorist at the University of Edinburgh (1964)[85]
>> The Gregorian telescope: James Gregory (1638–1675)[86]
>> The discovery of Proxima Centauri, the closest known star to the Sun, by
>> Robert Innes (1861–1933)[87]
>> One of the earliest measurements of distance to the Alpha Centauri star
>> system, the closest such system outside of the Solar System, by Thomas
>> Henderson (1798–1844)[88]
>> The discovery of Centaurus A, a well-known starburst galaxy in the
>> constellation of Centaurus, by James Dunlop (1793–1848)[89]
>> The discovery of the Horsehead Nebula in the constellation of Orion, by
>> Williamina Fleming (1857–1911)[90]
>> The world's first oil refinery and a process of extracting paraffin from
>> coal laying the foundations for the modern oil industry: James Young (1811–1883)[91]
>> The identification of the minerals yttrialite, thorogummite, aguilarite
>> and nivenite: by William Niven (1889)[92]
>> The concept of latent heat by French-born Joseph Black (1728–1799)[93]
>> Discovering the properties of Carbon dioxide by French-born Joseph Black (1728–1799)
>> The concept of Heat capacity by French-born Joseph Black (1728–1799)
>> The pyroscope, atmometer and aethrioscope scientific instruments: Sir
>> John Leslie (1766–1832)[94]
>> Identifying the nucleus in living cells: Robert Brown (1773–1858)[95]
>> An early form of the Incandescent light bulb: James Bowman Lindsay (1799-1862)[96]
>> Colloid chemistry: Thomas Graham (1805–1869)[97]
>> The kelvin SI unit of temperature by Irishman William Thomson, Lord Kelvin (1824–1907)[98]
>> Devising the diagramatic system of representing chemical bonds: Alexander
>> Crum Brown (1838–1922)[99]
>> Criminal fingerprinting: Henry Faulds (1843–1930)[100]
>> The noble gases: Sir William Ramsay (1852–1916)[101]
>> The cloud chamber recording of atoms: Charles Thomson Rees Wilson (1869–1959)[102][103]
>> The discovery of the Wave of Translation, leading to the modern general
>> theory of solitons by John Scott Russell (1808-1882)[104]
>> Statistical graphics: William Playfair founder of the first statistical
>> line charts, bar charts, and pie charts in (1786) and (1801) known as a
>> scientific ‘milestone’ in statistical graphs and data visualization[105][106]
>> The Arithmetic mean density of the Earth: Nevil Maskelyne conducted the
>> Schiehallion experiment conducted at the Scottish mountain of
>> Schiehallion, Perthshire 1774[107]
>> The first isolation of methylated sugars, trimethyl and tetramethyl
>> glucose: James Irvine[108][109]
>> Discovery of the Japp–Klingemann reaction: to synthesize hydrazones from
>> β-keto-acids (or β-keto-esters) and aryl diazonium salts 1887[110]
>> Pioneering work on nutrition and poverty: John Boyd Orr (1880–1971)[111]
>> Ferrocene synthetic substances: Peter Ludwig Pauson in 1955[112]
>> The first cloned mammal (Dolly the Sheep): Was conducted in The Roslin
>> Institute research centre in 1996 by English scientists Ian Wilmut (born
>> 1944) and Keith Campbell (1954–2012).[113]
>> The seismometer innovations thereof: James David Forbes[114]
>> Metaflex fabric innovations thereof: University of St. Andrews (2010)
>> application of the first manufacturing fabrics that manipulate light in
>> bending it around a subject. Before this such light manipulating atoms
>> were fixed on flat hard surfaces. The team at St Andrews are the first to
>> develop the concept to fabric.[115]
>> Tractor beam innovations thereof: St. Andrews University (2013) the
>> world's first to succeed in creating a functioning Tractor beam that
>> pulls objects on a microscopic level[116][117]
>> Macaulayite: Dr. Jeff Wilson of the Macaulay Institute, Aberdeen.[118]
>> Discovery of Catacol whitebeam by Scottish Natural Heritage and the Royal
>> Botanic Garden Edinburgh (1990s): a rare tree endemic and unique to the
>> Isle of Arran in south west Scotland. The trees were confirmed as a
>> distinct species by DNA testing.[119]
>> The first positive displacement liquid flowmeter, the reciprocating
>> piston meter by Thomas Kennedy Snr.[120]
>>
>> Sports innovations
>> Main article: Sport in Scotland
>> Scots have been instrumental in the invention and early development of several sports:
>>
>> Australian rules football Scots were prominent with many innovations in
>> the early evolution of the game, including the establishment of the
>> Essendon Football Club by the McCracken family from Ayrshire[121][122][123]
>> Several modern athletics events, i.e. shot put[124] and the hammer
>> throw,[124] derive from Highland Games and earlier 12th century Scotland[124]
>> Curling[125]
>> Gaelic handball The modern game of handball is first recorded in Scotland
>> in 1427, when King James I, an ardent handball player, had his men block
>> up a cellar window in his palace courtyard that was interfering with his game.[126]
>> Cycling, invention of the pedal-cycle[127]
>> Golf (see Golf in Scotland)
>> 1848: Association football's Glasgow rules (largely the sport's rules as
>> we know them today) established at University of Glasgow.[128]
>> Ice Hockey, invented by the Scots regiments in Atlantic Canada by playing
>> Shinty on frozen lakes.
>> Shinty The history of Shinty as a non-standardised sport pre-dates
>> Scotland the Nation. The rules were standardised in the 19th century by
>> Archibald Chisholm[129]
>> Rugby sevens: Ned Haig and David Sanderson (1883)[130]
>> The Dugout was invented by Aberdeen FC Coach Donald Colman in the 1920s
>> The world's first Robot Olympics which took place in Glasgow in 1990.
>> Medical innovations
>> Pioneering the use of surgical anaesthesia with Chloroform: Firstly in
>> 1842 by Robert Mortimer Glover then extended for use on humans by Sir
>> James Young Simpson (1811–1870)[131] Initial use of chloroform in
>> dentistry by Francis Brodie Imlach
>> The Saline drip by Dr Thomas Latta of Leith in 1831/32
>> The hypodermic syringe: Alexander Wood (1817–1884)[132]
>> First diagnostic applications of an ultrasound scanner: Ian Donald (1910–1987)[133]
>> Independent discovery of inoculation for smallpox: Johnnie Notions (c.. 1730 – c. 1803)[134]
>> Discovery of hypnotism (November 1841): James Braid (1795–1860)[135]
>> General anaesthetic: Pioneered by Scotsman James Young Simpson and
>> Englishman John Snow[136]
>> Identifying the mosquito as the carrier of
>> malaria: Sir Ronald Ross (1857–1932)[137]
>> Identifying the cause of brucellosis: Sir David Bruce (1855–1931)[138]
>> Discovering the vaccine for typhoid fever: Sir William B. Leishman (1865–1926)[139]
>> Electrocardiography: Alexander Muirhead (1869)[140][141]
>> Discovery of Staphylococcus: Sir Alexander Ogston (1880)[142]
>> Discovering insulin: John J R Macleod (1876–1935) with others[8] The
>> discovery led him to be awarded the 1923 Nobel prize in Medicine.[143]
>> Penicillin: Sir Alexander Fleming (1881–1955)[7]
>> Pioneering of X-ray cinematography: John Macintyre (1896); the first
>> moving real time X-ray image and the first KUB X-ray diagnostic image of
>> a kidney stone in situ[144][145][146]
>> Establishment of standardized Ophthalmology: Sir Stewart Duke-Elder, a
>> pioneering Ophthalmologist in the 1930-50s[67]
>> The first hospital Radiation therapy unit: John Macintyre (1902); to
>> assist in the diagnosis and treatment of injuries and illness at Glasgow
>> Royal Infirmary[144]
>> The Haldane effect, a property of hemoglobin: First described by John
>> Scott Haldane (1907)[147]
>> The first Decompression tables: John Scott Haldane (1908); to calculate
>> the safe return of deep-sea divers to surface atmospheric pressure[148]
>> Oxygen therapy: John Scott Haldane (1922), with the publication of ‘The
>> Therapeutic Administration of Oxygen Therapy’, beginning the modern era
>> of Oxygen therapy[149]
>> Transplant rejection: Professor Thomas Gibson (1940s) the first medical
>> doctor to understand the relationship between donor graft tissue and host
>> tissue rejection and tissue transplantation by his work on aviation burns
>> victims during World War II[150]
>> Discovering an effective tuberculosis treatment: Sir John Crofton in the 1950s[151]
>> Developing the first beta-blocker drugs: Sir James W. Black in 1964;[152]
>> revolutionized the medical management of angina[153] and is considered to
>> be one of the most important contributions to clinical medicine and
>> pharmacology of the 20th century.[154] In 1988 Black was awarded the
>> Nobel Prize in Medicine.
>> Developing modern asthma therapy based both on bronchodilation
>> (salbutamol) and anti-inflammatory steroids (beclomethasone
>> dipropionate): Sir David Jack (1972)
>> Glasgow coma scale: Graham Teasdale and Bryan J. Jennett (1974)[155]
>> Glasgow Outcome Scale: Bryan J. Jennett & Sir Michael Bond (1975):
>> diagnostic tool for patients with brain injuries, such as cerebral traumas[156]
>> Discovering and developing the anesthetic drug Propofol: Dr. John B. Glen
>> (1977); a globally-used surgical anesthetic common in general surgery
>> cases. In 2018 Dr. Glen received a Lasker Award.[157]
>> Glasgow Anxiety Scale: J.Mindham and C.A Espie (2003)[158]
>> Glasgow Depression Scale: Fiona Cuthill (2003); the first accurate
>> self-report scale to measure the levels of depression in people with
>> learning disabilities[159]
>> Discovering the Human papillomavirus vaccine: Ian Frazer (2006); the
>> second cancer preventing vaccine, and the world's first vaccine designed
>> to prevent a cancer[160]
>> Surface Enhanced Raman Scattering (SERS): Strathclyde University (2014);
>> a laser and nanoparticle test to detect Meningitis or multiple pathogenic
>> agents at the same time.[161]
>> Household innovations
>> The television: John Logie Baird (1923)
>> The refrigerator: William Cullen (1748)[162]
>> The first electric bread toaster: Alan MacMasters (1893)
>> The flush toilet: Alexander Cumming (1775)[163]
>> The vacuum flask: Sir James Dewar (1847–1932)[164]
>> The first distiller to triple distill Irish whiskey:[165]John Jameson (Whisky distiller)
>> The piano footpedal: John Broadwood (1732–1812)[166]
>> The first automated can-filling machine John West (1809–1888)[167]
>> The waterproof macintosh: Charles Macintosh (1766–1843)[168]
>> The kaleidoscope: Sir David Brewster (1781–1868)[169]
>> Keiller's marmalade Janet Keiller (1797) - The first recipe of rind
>> suspended marmalade or Dundee marmalade produced in Dundee.
>> The modern lawnmower: Alexander Shanks (1801–1845)[170]
>> The Lucifer friction match: Sir Isaac Holden (1807–1897)[171]
>> The self filling pen: Robert Thomson (1822–1873)[172]
>> Cotton-reel thread: J & J Clark of Paisley[173]
>> Lime cordial: Lauchlan Rose in 1867
>> Bovril beef extract: John Lawson Johnston in 1874[174]
>> The electric clock: Alexander Bain (1840)[175]
>> Chemical Telegraph (Automatic Telegraphy) Alexander Bain (1846) In
>> England Bain's telegraph was used on the wires of the Electric Telegraph
>> Company to a limited extent, and in 1850 it was used in America.[176]
>> Barr's Irn-Bru, soft drink produced by Barr's in Cumbernauld Scotland and
>> exported all around the world. The drink is so widely popular in Scotland
>> that it outsells both American colas Coca-Cola and Pepsi and ranks 3rd
>> most popular drink in the UK with Coca-Cola and Pepsi taking the first two spots.[177]
>> Weapons innovations
>> The carronade cannon: Robert Melville (1723–1809)[178]
>> The Ferguson rifle: Patrick Ferguson in 1770[179]
>> The Lee bolt system as used in the Lee–Metford and Lee–Enfield series
>> rifles: James Paris Lee[180]
>> The Ghillie suit pioneered by the Lovat Scouts[181]
>> The percussion cap: invented by Scottish Presbyterian clergyman Alexander Forsyth[182]
>> Miscellaneous innovations
>> Boys' Brigade: Sir William Alexander Smith[183]
>> Bank of England devised by William Paterson
>> Bank of France devised by John Law
>> Grand Theft Auto: developed by Scottish game developers DMA Design (later
>> known as Rockstar North)
>> The industrialisation and modernisation of Japan by Thomas Blake Glover[184]
>> Colour photography: the first known permanent colour photograph was taken
>> by James Clerk Maxwell (1831–1879)[185]
>> Buick Motor Company by David Dunbar Buick[186]
>> New York Herald newspaper by James Gordon Bennett, Sr.[186]
>> Pinkerton National Detective Agency by Allan Pinkerton[186]
>> Forbes magazine by B. C. Forbes[186]
>> The establishment of a standardized botanical institute: Isaac Bayley Balfour[187]
>> London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine: founded by Sir Patrick Manson in 1899[75]
>
> Ok.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:42 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:15:51 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>>>>> weakness itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use. That's why I
>>>>> buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
>>>>> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or
>>>>> at difficult angles.
>>>>
>>>> You can%19t avoid benefiting from government regulations that are designed to
>>>> protect you.
>>>
>>> Wrong on both counts. I have just told you how I avoid them. And I
>>> don't benefit from something being more expensive so pansies can use them safely.
>>
>> You benefit in ways you don’t see. Ok.
>
> How can I benefit from something I don't use? "That's why I buy Chinese
> Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test"
>

You benefit from things and the society. As long as you’re in the society
you can’t help it.
You simply want to take and not be required to give back.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:43 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:09:53 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>>>> Royce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Double clicking
>>>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>>>> associated with the file)
>>>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>>>
>>>>> All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
>>>>
>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>
>>> Why not just play them in the browser like everyone else?
>>
>> I don’t like ads.
>
> Your browser permits ads? Oh dear. I never see Youtube ads or any other ad.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:32:44 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:22:01 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>> Royce.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>
>>>> * Double clicking
>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>> associated with the file)
>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>
>>> Start menu, worth more than all of those.
>>
>> One cluttered place where you can do anything.
>>
>> Except start the computer.
>
> Obviously you can't interact with something that's off.

Incorrect: I am interacting with you.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:46:46 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>
>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>
>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>> weakness itself.
>>
>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>
> Yup.

When did the world get populated by sissies? When I were a lad anyone taking a precaution was laughed at and beaten up.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:46:47 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 11/02/2022 19:09, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>>>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>>>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>>>>>>>> workers. The
>>>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>>>>>>>> maker which
>>>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>>>>>>>> charge more
>>>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little
>>>>>>>> done to
>>>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the value of
>>>>>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like Rolls
>>>>>> Royce.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or NeXT)
>>>>> introduced to the world:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Double clicking
>>>>> * Trash can (or the like)
>>>>> * Graying out inactive items
>>>>> * Checkmarks next to menu items
>>>>> * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
>>>>> * Drag and drop
>>>>> * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
>>>>> * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
>>>>> * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
>>>>> * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
>>>>> so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
>>>>> * Control panel to set system settings
>>>>> * Pull down menus
>>>>> * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
>>>>> * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
>>>>> associated with the file)
>>>>> * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
>>>>> was still held in memory even when not visible, making the redraw be
>>>>> instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double buffering
>>>>> and done at NeXT)
>>>>> * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
>>>>
>>>> All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
>>>
>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>
>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>> same thing I believe.
>
> I think VLC handles more formats — but been a long time since I used MK.

On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:21:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hgo6hafmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 03:46:46 -0000, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/02/2022 19:10, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 10, 2022 at 6:15:17 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1hei3rzpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>>>>>> altogether.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>>>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>>>>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>>>>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>>>>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
>>>>>> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
>>>>>> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
>>>>
>>>> Hunan rights matter to me... but good you see a weakness of a free market
>>>> without such restrictions, even if you have a hard time understanding the
>>>> weakness itself.
>>>
>>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>>
>> Yup.
>
> When did the world get populated by sissies? When I were a lad anyone taking a
> precaution was laughed at and beaten up.

You assume a character flaw in things that improve society. Try living a few
hundred years ago. Try living as a hunter and gatherer.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:22:19 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1hgo7hnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>
>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>> same thing I believe.
>>
>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I used
>> MK.
>
> Never heard of MK, but VLC handles everything. Quite why 50 formats were
> developed I don't know.

And it is worse than just formats... you have a kazillion video formats and a
kazillion audio formats and then different wrappers. And of course you can
also have different subtitle tracks and multiple sound tracks (and video for
that matter). Some of this comes from the advancement of tech, but some comes
from people re-inventing the wheel.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 11/02/2022 23:38, nospam wrote:
> In article <yjCNJ.185241$_5r7.122121@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>> apple stated that the apple silicon transition would take two years,
>>>> which means it should be complete by fall 2023, assuming it began with
>>>> the first m1 macs in november 2021. some people think it's 2 years from
>>>> the original announcement in june 2021, which means by summer 2023.
>>>> supply chain issues may have had an impact on the original plans.
>>>
>>> i'm living in the future. i meant june 2020 through summer/fall 2022.
>>
>> Nobody is perfect, not even you! ;-)
>
> before that, i was.

*I am*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_am_(biblical_term)

On 11/02/2022 23:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:10:15 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> Most consumers value the safety measures taken by manufacturers.
>
> I don't, it makes them more expensive and difficult to use.  That's why
> I buy Chinese Ebay stuff that hasn't passed a safety test, and why I
> removed the safety guard from my angle grinder so I can cut closer or at
> difficult angles.

A while ago I met a recently retired professional carpenter who sliced
off four fingers from his left hand.

Take care.

On 12/02/2022 03:46, Snit wrote:
> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
[....]
>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>
>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>> same thing I believe.
>
> I think VLC handles more formats — but been a long time since I used MK.

They really should update THIS page:-

https://ibb.co/5vqGRNm (Screenshot)

This one is fine:- https://www.videolan.org

Thanks for your advice.

In article <ceKNJ.19199$fGj4.2348@fx04.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>
> They really should update THIS page:-
>
> https://ibb.co/5vqGRNm (Screenshot)

given that it mentions apple silicon, it's obviously current.

On 2022 Feb 11, David Brooks wrote
(in article <fnBNJ.143840$TXc5.77299@fx14.ams1>):

> On 11/02/2022 20:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:08:49 -0000, wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/02/2022 19:09, Snit wrote:
> > > > On Feb 11, 2022 at 10:46:32 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> > > > <2ixNJ.14557$EjU2.11533@fx07.ams1>:
> > > >
> > > > > On 11/02/2022 17:22, Snit wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 11, 2022 at 1:27:51 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> > > > > > <b6pNJ.584849$hye7.291063@fx11.ams1>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/02/2022 01:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:01:40 -0000, Snit
> > > > > > > > <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> > > > > > > > > <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [....]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stupid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and is, as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computers
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connected to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paranoid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > idiot.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'anonymous'
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > products."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind you Apple state....
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information we will make it available when presented with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valid
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > process."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-request
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apple grass you off!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm happy with the Apple stance.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > arch-enemy China.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little
> > > > > > > > > > > > > choice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > They have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
> > > > > > > > > > > > > makers --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > which is not to say they do this enough.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA
> > > > > > > > > > > > and, just
> > > > > > > > > > > > like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
> > > > > > > > > > > > themselves, could now design and build!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from
> > > > > > > > > > > > China
> > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How automated are the factories? If done with very little
> > > > > > > > > > > human workers
> > > > > > > > > > > perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
> > > > > > > > > > > workers. The
> > > > > > > > > > > cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
> > > > > > > > > > > maker which
> > > > > > > > > > > goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely
> > > > > > > > > > > have to
> > > > > > > > > > > charge more
> > > > > > > > > > > (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still
> > > > > > > > > > > be fine).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> > > > > > > > > > curtail Apple's involvement in China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not
> > > > > > > > > matter
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often
> > > > > > > > > little
> > > > > > > > > done to
> > > > > > > > > make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Glad to hear it. Things cost a lot more to make with safety.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It sounds to me as if you know the cost of everything but the
> > > > > > > value of
> > > > > > > nothing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apple sets the standards which others try to emulate. A bit like
> > > > > > > Rolls
> > > > > > > Royce.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. And this goes back some time. These are all things Apple (or
> > > > > > NeXT)
> > > > > > introduced to the world:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Double clicking
> > > > > > * Trash can (or the like)
> > > > > > * Graying out inactive items
> > > > > > * Checkmarks next to menu items
> > > > > > * Keyboard shortcuts for menu items
> > > > > > * Drag and drop
> > > > > > * Full file system in GUI (as icons)
> > > > > > * GUI based hierarchical folder structure
> > > > > > * Editing documents with direct mouse manipulation
> > > > > > * The clipboard (and later one with multiple versions of the same data
> > > > > > so you can paste plain text or formatted text, etc.)
> > > > > > * Control panel to set system settings
> > > > > > * Pull down menus
> > > > > > * Desktop accessories (now known as widgets or gadgets)
> > > > > > * Meta-data associations with icons (data about the data being
> > > > > > associated with the file)
> > > > > > * Self-redrawing windows (at Apple) and later windows where the image
> > > > > > was still held in memory even when not visible, making the
> > > > > > redraw be
> > > > > > instantaneous from the perspective of a user (called double
> > > > > > buffering
> > > > > > and done at NeXT)
> > > > > > * X to close a window (this is from NeXT - I was surprised by that)
> > > > >
> > > > > All wonderfully magical to me! :-D
> > > >
> > > > Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems
> > > > tends to
> > > > handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube
> > > > URLs to
> > > > VLC where they play without ads.
> > >
> > > VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program.
> >
> > Bullshit, it's the best video player ever made, I use it for everything.
>
> Noted.