On Feb 24, 2022 at 4:51:51 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1h4ckpd9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:50:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 2:47:27 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hwr5diymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He never was able to do with his PC what I did with my Mac... and it took me
>>>>>>> just a couple minutes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Few folk have bothered to look! :-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You did an excellent job - again! I even commented on that!
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't stand his accent.
>>>>
>>>> I grew up with a speech impediment. Went through years of speech therapy. A
>>>> lot of Americans think I am Australian or even English... though I cannot
>>>> imagine why.
>>>
>>> You just sound like an American to me. I hate American accents. They sound
>>> egotistical. Especially when they say "now what you're gonna wanna do next is
>>> tighten the screw", whereas I'd say "tighten the screw".
>>
>> What you refer to as OCD.
>
> No, efficiency. OCD people are not efficient.

You create your own rules (I have no issue with that) but then cannot
understand when others do not do the same or think the same. It shows a lack
of flexibility in your thinking.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Feb 24, 2022 at 4:51:25 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1h4cjzc3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:50:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 2:47:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1hwr5ycjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He never was able to do with his PC what I did with my Mac... and it took me
>>>>>> just a couple minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact you needed to make a video showing how to do such a simple operation
>>>>> clearly shows that a simple operation on a Mac isn't simple.
>>>>
>>>> Part of the task is the making of and posting of a video, but you cannot even
>>>> describe how you would do the task.
>>>
>>> It's like asking me to describe how I open a door.
>>
>>
>> You want to try to convince someone that Windows can do those things as easily
>> as macOS... but you show NO evidence. I think by now even you realize Windows,
>> while not bad in terms of saving to PDF, is behind macOS.
>
> Make a video of you opening a door to show it can be done.

If we had a discussion where you said you can show you can open a door in a
better way than I can, and I disagreed, it would make sense for me to show
you. At the very least I would describe in detail what I meant.

You just tossed in your white flag... but then wanted to be seen as having
"won". It really is that simple: you have your ego tied to Windows and will
not admit that macOS does something better.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:13:35 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2022 at 4:51:25 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h4cjzc3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:50:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 2:47:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hwr5ycjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He never was able to do with his PC what I did with my Mac... and it took me
>>>>>>> just a couple minutes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact you needed to make a video showing how to do such a simple operation
>>>>>> clearly shows that a simple operation on a Mac isn't simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of the task is the making of and posting of a video, but you cannot even
>>>>> describe how you would do the task.
>>>>
>>>> It's like asking me to describe how I open a door.
>>>
>>> You want to try to convince someone that Windows can do those things as easily
>>> as macOS... but you show NO evidence. I think by now even you realize Windows,
>>> while not bad in terms of saving to PDF, is behind macOS.
>>
>> Make a video of you opening a door to show it can be done.
>
> If we had a discussion where you said you can show you can open a door in a
> better way than I can, and I disagreed, it would make sense for me to show
> you. At the very least I would describe in detail what I meant.

But you weren't discussing showing something, you were discussing the ease of showing something. And your something was something that doesn't need to be shown.

> You just tossed in your white flag... but then wanted to be seen as having
> "won". It really is that simple: you have your ego tied to Windows and will
> not admit that macOS does something better.

No, I just have better things to do than spend more time than writing a sentence in response to you. You might notice you often write a paragraph and I write once sentence back. You remind me of a certain woman....

On Feb 24, 2022 at 8:35:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1h4mxojdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:13:35 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 24, 2022 at 4:51:25 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1h4cjzc3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:50:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 2:47:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1hwr5ycjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He never was able to do with his PC what I did with my Mac... and it took me
>>>>>>>> just a couple minutes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact you needed to make a video showing how to do such a simple operation
>>>>>>> clearly shows that a simple operation on a Mac isn't simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of the task is the making of and posting of a video, but you cannot even
>>>>>> describe how you would do the task.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's like asking me to describe how I open a door.
>>>>
>>>> You want to try to convince someone that Windows can do those things as easily
>>>> as macOS... but you show NO evidence. I think by now even you realize Windows,
>>>> while not bad in terms of saving to PDF, is behind macOS.
>>>
>>> Make a video of you opening a door to show it can be done.
>>
>> If we had a discussion where you said you can show you can open a door in a
>> better way than I can, and I disagreed, it would make sense for me to show
>> you. At the very least I would describe in detail what I meant.
>
> But you weren't discussing showing something, you were discussing the ease of
> showing something. And your something was something that doesn't need to be
> shown.

The original point was the ease at saving a receipt to a web receipts folder.
This can, of course, be done on Windows. Save it as a PDF, drag and drop (or
copy and paste). Or navigate in the save dialog. If you use it a lot you can
even add it as a favorite. It is not like this is a challenging task in
Windows.

The point was on macOS you can do those things, too, but there is an easier
method where I just "print" it to PDF and then use the PDF menu to put it
where I want. I can do this to preset folder (such as the web receipts) or to
ones I set up myself (such as my recipes folder). I can even have the PDF sent
to Mail or another app or sent to a script of my own design. Or one I find
elsewhere.

This is one area where macOS offers tools to make things easier where Windows
does not. Does not mean macOS is better in all areas -- as we have talked
about, the new window management tools in Windows are ahead of the default
ones on macOS. In that case it is pretty easy to get third party tools to add
onto macOS, but the point remains that Windows default is "better" for many
folks.

>
>> You just tossed in your white flag... but then wanted to be seen as having
>> "won". It really is that simple: you have your ego tied to Windows and will
>> not admit that macOS does something better.
>
> No, I just have better things to do than spend more time than writing a
> sentence in response to you. You might notice you often write a paragraph and
> I write once sentence back. You remind me of a certain woman....

Above I write a bit to go into detail... but with the whole PDF saving you
have spent a LOT more time making excuses than it took me to show you what I
was talking about. Still not even sure if you understand.

https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:48 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 2022 at 7:59:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1hzykmgnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:44:37 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2022 at 9:56:56 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <t1aPJ.27149$EjU2.15366@fx07.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 16/02/2022 07:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 08:31:18 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 04:59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste
>>>>>>>>> superscript
>>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>
>>>>> I fucking worked with the bloody things for 11 years. And persuaded 99%
>>>>> of the users to switch to Windows!
>>>>
>>>> That's like saying you worked with and didn't like a Ford Cortina.
>>>>
>>>> MANY things have improved over the last 15 years. TRY one of the new ones!
>>>
>>> Even 20+ years ago when I taught OS support at Intuit it was informative of
>>> Window and Macs.
>>>
>>> The Mac to Windows users were baffled at how bizarre things were. Why not
>>> allow drag and drop for X, Y, or Z? Why have the control panels be so split
>>> up?
>>
>> ROFL! Remember when Macs couldn't copy and paste files? They insisted on this
>> silly drag and drop!
>
> They handled drag and drop better than Windows. They still do.

Drag and drop is overrated.

>> Most people do not have multiple things on display at once, that requires a
>> very large screen or multiple monitors.
>
> There was value to adding copy and paste for files, but it was not that big of
> a deal.

It was a HUGE deal. Having to open the source and destination folder and get them both lined up and visible was ridiculous.

> Things like spring loaded folders made dragging to "deeper" areas not
> that hard. I still use that more than I use copy and paste... it is more
> visual and I can do it with tabs and the like. But both are fine.

Way easier to go to the source, copy, go to the destination, paste. I do the same in a Word document, I don't this dragging shit.

>>> The Windows to Mac users did sometimes miss features -- but overall they
>>> caught on very quickly on how to use the systems and wanted to know why things
>>> could not be this easy on Windows.
>>>
>>> This was not just me but the other trainers, so not based on a bias of my
>>> teaching.
>>
>> I found the exact opposite with every single user I dealt with. Windows was
>> easy to work out, Mac was just too weird.
>
> And yet you refuse to make a video or show any examples of where you think
> Windows handles things better.

Only because I won't waste time explaining the obvious to you.

>> I think I understand the difference in our experiences. Macs sell better in
>> America, where the average IQ is lower. I see Macs as a Mickey Mouse computer,
>> oversimplified.
>
> Making things easier is what computers are meant to do. Why make things more
> complex than they need to be?

Because Windows isn't complex to someone with three digits in their IQ. We need to delete those with 2 digits, they're dragging down society.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>
>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>
>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>
> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)

This is as bad as Android. How the fuck are users supposed to know if a Leopard is better than a Tiger? Why not just 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 etc?

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:31:00 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>
>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>
>>
>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>
> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
> figure!

When I were a young sexy fit lad at school, ok a young lad, there were mac classics and PCs. The Macs were shite. Black and white 9 inch screens for crying out loud! The BBCs were better. Good doorstops though.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 22:11:17 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <YXaRJ.35647$EjU2.10121@fx07.ams1>:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>
>>> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
>>> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
>>> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
>>> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
>>> figure!
>>
>> I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!
>
> Macs came out in 1984, but they had the Apple II systems before that. My
> family had an Apple IIe -- my brother's but I got to use it. I really like
> AppleWorks -- a word processor, spreadsheet, and database combo.

Where did the silly idea of calling them Macs come from?

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:12:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 2022 at 4:08:46 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <22eRJ.242536$_5r7.214859@fx09.ams1>:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 22:11, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:37:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <YXaRJ.35647$EjU2.10121@fx07.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 12:20:39 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <cIaRJ.68297$fIV5.13225@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the left and
>>>>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the problematic
>>>>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd. To be
>>>>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>>>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>>>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>>>>
>>>>> Classic Mac was pretty amazing for its time, and there are still some things
>>>>> about the Finder and about Preferences files, how the "recent" items were
>>>>> handled in the Apple menu, and I am sure some more that I miss. Overall,
>>>>> though, the modern OS is far past what existed 20 years ago... as one would
>>>>> figure!
>>>>
>>>> I first considered buying a Mac in 1983 - but bought British instead!
>>>
>>> Macs came out in 1984, but they had the Apple II systems before that. My
>>> family had an Apple IIe -- my brother's but I got to use it. I really like
>>> AppleWorks -- a word processor, spreadsheet, and database combo.
>>
>> My mistake - I should have said Apple computer.
>
> If figured you might have meant that.

At least you accept some people don't have OCD.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:20:30 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:30:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h2bc900mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 19:36:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 19, 2022 at 11:42:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1huowttdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:06:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hr4t7oemvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:30:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 11:46:33 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1hmc3vnsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 07:48:58 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 7:53:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1hj7noy4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:30:50 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:55:12 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hifuadzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No we're not. You're free to be safe if you want. But it's wrong to force
>>>>>>>>>>>> others to be safe if they don't want to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The standards are set and cannot be changed on a per-person situation. You go
>>>>>>>>>>> to the store to buy an apple... they are not going to have the apples which
>>>>>>>>>>> have had protections from regulations and the ones that have not. Or if they
>>>>>>>>>>> do they cannot for every product.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But I can buy the fake apples from China with no regulations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if they are found to be unsafe the seller will face consequences.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> China doesn't bother with that shit. Almost everything I buy from China is
>>>>>>>> unsafe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have yet to point to the specific products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have already, lightbulbs, battery chargers, anything that plugs in.
>>>>>
>>>>> But no specific product with a link to it on Amazon or the like so people can
>>>>> actually see if you found a product with no safety standards built into its
>>>>> design.
>>>>
>>>> I take that as a direct insult. You are accusing me of lying. I shall not
>>>> provide proof otherwise.
>>>
>>> I am noting you have offered no evidence. And now you are working to change
>>> the topic.
>>
>> I'm not changing anything, I'm pointing out you don't beleive me.
>
> I have noted your failure to show any evidence. I do not think you are
> actively lying, but I do not know if you are accurate, and I suspect you are
> not.

If you believe in me, you will accept my word.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:26:16 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:25:26 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h2a4ox5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:13:10 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:52:52 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hrxee1jmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:06:18 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:59:42 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hl75syjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:19:05 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 07:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 5:42:31 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <X07OJ.946866$YlU2.320787@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 08:32, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 12:34:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <ww2OJ.599196$hye7.469327@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 01:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 4:15:07 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <%bXNJ.54766$fIV5.3566@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 23:08, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have they recently reduced their cut?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoosh^2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how is it you don't understand very simple words?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is english your second language?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How did you type this word? whoosh^2 (squared - not as it's come out now)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean not as it came out?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/p3mmj3Y/Screenshot-2022-02-12-at-23-18-04.png
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> whoosh carrot 2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How else would it be seen?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like this - https://ibb.co/Q84GGX5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can you not see it displayed like this in this thread?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skimming the thread I do not see that... and when I copy and paste superscript
>>>>>>>> into my editor now it does not "take". Curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> What an odd way to express jealousy.
>>>>
>>>> It never ceases to amaze me how you can misunderstand things. Are you one of
>>>> those people who thinks homophobic people are homosexual?
>>>
>>> Evidence shows there is a correlation there.
>>
>> Yeah.... people who hate something are that thing. What a crock of shit. So,
>> everyone who thinks murderers are scum are murderers themselves?
>
> You said nothing of the evidence... I doubt you are even aware of it.

I do not believe utter shite. Think about it, how many people that hate murderers are murderers?

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:27:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:24:39 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h2a3dsxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 17:12:52 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2022 at 11:55:47 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1hrxi9xdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:07:57 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 10:05:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hl8ftw5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 05:02:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2022 at 9:50:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.1hl7qlpymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 07:48:11 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2022 at 7:49:35 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.1hj7gxsmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 08:25:25 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 8:52:41 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.1hifp3a2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 21:55:57 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 12:38:08 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <B0UNJ.192005$_5r7.47265@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 18:04, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2022 at 1:30:00 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ceKNJ.19199$fGj4.2348@fx04.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/02/2022 03:46, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of that is natural progression... but to this day macOS systems tends to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle drag and drop better. My favorite examples is dragging YouTube URLs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VLC where they play without ads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VLC appears to be an old and outdated software program. It is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available from the Apple App Store. There it offers MKPlayer - much the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same thing I believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think VLC handles more formats =E2=80=94 but been a long time since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used MK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They really should update THIS page:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/5vqGRNm (Screenshot)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This one is fine:- https://www.videolan.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your advice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe they left in the OS X for folks with older systems or using older links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps they have. I did drop them an email about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using OS X in 2022 is rather like folk using Windows 95 - best not to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so, in my opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would agree it is better to use newer systems... though not all have access.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you never heard of piratebay?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have though I have not used it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your "not all have access" is incorrect. Everyone has access to piratebay.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And then your ISP reports you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Move out of fucked up America. In the UK it's only a civil offence, so the
>>>>>>>> worst that can happen is the copyright owner takes you to court and all they
>>>>>>>> can get is the cost of what you "stole". ISPs don't report you here. If they
>>>>>>>> did, you can always use a VPN. I can be from any country I wish. State my IP
>>>>>>>> address using only this post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the US you can pay more and lose your 'net access. I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Land of the free, ROTFPMSL!
>>>>>
>>>>> It is amazing how many in the US insist we have more freedoms than any other
>>>>> people.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And your IP is shown when you use PirateBay... this is not PirateBay. You can
>>>>>>> use a VPN though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yip, just pretend to live in India.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know much about India. If I pretended that I would quickly be called
>>>>> out on it not being true.
>>>>
>>>> Clearly I was talking about your IP, not your accent.
>>>
>>> When I make videos, the main IP I share, I make them with my accept.
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>> Was that a poor attempt at Ingrish?
>
> That was auto-carrot with voice to text. Last word should be "accent".

Too lazy to use the keyboard? Or are you really the author of this?

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On 25/02/2022 07:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the
>>>>> left and
>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>
>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the
>>>> problematic
>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>
>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd.
>>> To be
>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>
>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>
> This is as bad as Android.  How the fuck are users supposed to know if a
> Leopard is better than a Tiger?  Why not just 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 etc?

You may use Wikipedia

There are version names AND numbers - both are shown here:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 08:46:24 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 25/02/2022 07:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:20:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22/02/2022 19:13, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 22, 2022 at 11:56:16 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <llaRJ.965257$YlU2.351869@fx08.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:59:52 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>> Macs aren't even the same, the older ones had only close on the
>>>>>> left and
>>>>>> the other two on the right!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm fairly sure you'd find the new macOS far better than the
>>>>> problematic
>>>>> ones you experienced in the past.
>>>>
>>>> Comparing modern Windows with Macs from 20 years ago does seem odd.
>>>> To be
>>>> fair, though, there are some things from Classic MacOS I still miss.
>>>
>>> The first one I bought had OS X Leopard and I've used every Apple
>>> operating system since then. I had to purchase new hardware, though, to
>>> progress past El Capitan (IIRC)
>>
>> This is as bad as Android. How the fuck are users supposed to know if a
>> Leopard is better than a Tiger? Why not just 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 etc?
>
> You may use Wikipedia
>
> There are version names AND numbers - both are shown here:-
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_version_history

The trouble is, with Anroid and MacOS, people refer to a Lollipop or a Tiger and I can't be bothered looking things up. What's wrong with numbers? Everyone knows 7 is more than 4.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:53:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:36:35 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <UFyRJ.242617$_5r7.16278@fx09.ams1>:
>
>> On 23/02/2022 22:13, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:04:03 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <nbyRJ.242545$_5r7.120632@fx09.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. 🙂
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>
>>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>
>>> I wonder if FedEx would be willing to deliver one?
>>
>> <groan> :-D
>
> :)
>
> At least you got the joke.

I can't see anyone not understanding that, no nohow!

>>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>>
>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>
>>> Same with any system.
>>
>> Hmmm. Many folk using Windows are protected by a third-party
>> anti-malware software program.
>>
>> Most people using Apple devices have no such protection installed.
>
> True enough. Still, updates are important for pretty much any system.

No they aren't. Plenty people still using Windows XP!

>>>> I rarely use Windows nowadays.
>>>
>>> Ditto... though I want to get a computer with Windows 11 just to play. Likely
>>> will eventually.
>>
>> I may get one too - my current laptop is 9 years old (Windows 10 now)
>
> I have an old PC which I rarely even turn on.

Why not get it running Boinc?

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:54:18 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:34:49 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h2ecbcdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:14:33 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 2:54:09 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h2cgjtgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/02/2022 16:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:43:39 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 15:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why turn that off and not this one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I turned this one off when I went to bed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't concern myself with storms. Anyway, my dad unplugged his in a
>>>>>> storm, and the network card was still fried by lightning through the
>>>>>> phone wire, which was also disconnected at the wall. Lightning actually
>>>>>> sends very small amounts through the house and a side fork can get
>>>>>> picked up by a long wire. The local youth club lost 4 soundcards due to
>>>>>> lightning getting attracted to speaker leads.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>
>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately, sleeps
>>>> if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery is nearly
>>>> empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries. The built in ones
>>>> suck when it's also powering all the lights in the house and the fridge and
>>>> freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>
>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved work.
>>>> Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking permission!
>>>
>>> That always baffles me. Neither Linux not macOS do that.
>>
>> Windows didn't used to, the user was asked. Now there isn't even an option to
>> change it to that way, unless you fuck about with the services.
>
> Windows has done that for years. Annoying as hell.

My 7 PCs no longer do it. It's funny to see the more and more angry messages popping up. I do not want to reboot my fucking computers twice a week!

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:54:41 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:32:49 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h2d8znlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:04:03 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>
>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>
>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>
>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>
>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>
>> But there's no great hurry. What was wrong with the old method of putting up
>> a notice asking the user to restart their own property when it's convenient?
>> Anyway I've thwarted their communism by fucking around with the services.
>
> With macOS (and Linux) you are asked.

Almost makes you think MS are up to something....

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:55:23 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:31:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h2d7aqimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:13:36 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:04:03 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <nbyRJ.242545$_5r7.120632@fx09.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>
>>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>
>>> I wonder if FedEx would be willing to deliver one?
>>
>> ROFL!
>>
>>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>>
>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>
>>> Same with any system.
>>>
>>>> I rarely use Windows nowadays.
>>>
>>> Ditto... though I want to get a computer with Windows 11 just to play. Likely
>>> will eventually.
>>
>> Get a second hand one if it's just for playing.
>
> That or just the cheapest I can find. Yeah, not likely going to spend 1/10th
> of what I will on an iMac.

Why not spend the same then do a comparison, make some videos, write a big report, and publish it everywhere?

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:57:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:54:34 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h2e88gtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:36:35 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/02/2022 22:13, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:04:03 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <nbyRJ.242545$_5r7.120632@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if FedEx would be willing to deliver one?
>>>
>>> <groan> :-D
>>
>> Since I'd never hard it before I didn't groan. Try this:
>>
>> Federal Expresso, for when you absolutely have to be awake on time.
>
> FedEx and UPS are going to merge some day. They will be called Fed UPS.

[titter]

TITTER YE NOT!

Am I the only one that's always called it expresso because it's fast? Espresso just isn't a word.

>>>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>>
>>>> Same with any system.
>>>
>>> Hmmm. Many folk using Windows are protected by a third-party
>>> anti-malware software program.
>>
>> All are, and all mac users aswell presumably, now you guys have admitted Macs
>> can indeed get viruses.
>
> Who denied it was possible? It is less likely, but it is possible.

About 15 years ago, many mac users boasted that Windows was full of viruses and Macs had none. I pointed out that was because the user base was so small there was no point in writing one.

I did like the comment from a programmer in one of the science projects I'm in. Apparently Apple's implementation of OpenCL for GPUs is incompatible with everyone else, so they can't be bothered re-writing for it.

>>> Most people using Apple devices have no such protection installed.
>>
>> They're even dumber than I thought.
>
> Far less need.

Brahmin excrement.

In article <op.1h7leamlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> >> All are, and all mac users aswell presumably, now you guys have admitted
> >> Macs
> >> can indeed get viruses.
> >
> > Who denied it was possible? It is less likely, but it is possible.
>
> About 15 years ago, many mac users boasted that Windows was full of viruses
> and Macs had none. I pointed out that was because the user base was so small
> there was no point in writing one.

there was and still is far less malware on macs, not because of the
size of the user base, but because it's significantly more difficult to
do.

writing windows malware is easy and very lucrative, so that's where
malware authors spend their time and profit from it.

> I did like the comment from a programmer in one of the science projects I'm
> in. Apparently Apple's implementation of OpenCL for GPUs is incompatible
> with everyone else, so they can't be bothered re-writing for it.

that is false.

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:42:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 24, 2022 at 8:35:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.1h4mxojdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:13:35 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2022 at 4:51:25 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.1h4cjzc3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:50:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 2:47:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.1hwr5ycjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He never was able to do with his PC what I did with my Mac... and it took me
>>>>>>>>> just a couple minutes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fact you needed to make a video showing how to do such a simple operation
>>>>>>>> clearly shows that a simple operation on a Mac isn't simple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Part of the task is the making of and posting of a video, but you cannot even
>>>>>>> describe how you would do the task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's like asking me to describe how I open a door.
>>>>>
>>>>> You want to try to convince someone that Windows can do those things as easily
>>>>> as macOS... but you show NO evidence. I think by now even you realize Windows,
>>>>> while not bad in terms of saving to PDF, is behind macOS.
>>>>
>>>> Make a video of you opening a door to show it can be done.
>>>
>>> If we had a discussion where you said you can show you can open a door in a
>>> better way than I can, and I disagreed, it would make sense for me to show
>>> you. At the very least I would describe in detail what I meant.
>>
>> But you weren't discussing showing something, you were discussing the ease of
>> showing something. And your something was something that doesn't need to be
>> shown.
>
> The original point was the ease at saving a receipt to a web receipts folder.
> This can, of course, be done on Windows. Save it as a PDF, drag and drop (or
> copy and paste). Or navigate in the save dialog. If you use it a lot you can
> even add it as a favorite. It is not like this is a challenging task in
> Windows.
>
> The point was on macOS you can do those things, too, but there is an easier
> method where I just "print" it to PDF and then use the PDF menu to put it
> where I want. I can do this to preset folder (such as the web receipts) or to
> ones I set up myself (such as my recipes folder). I can even have the PDF sent
> to Mail or another app or sent to a script of my own design. Or one I find
> elsewhere.

How the fuck is that easier? Why would you want to use "print" to save?

> This is one area where macOS offers tools to make things easier where Windows
> does not. Does not mean macOS is better in all areas -- as we have talked
> about, the new window management tools in Windows are ahead of the default
> ones on macOS. In that case it is pretty easy to get third party tools to add
> onto macOS, but the point remains that Windows default is "better" for many
> folks.

The defaults of curvy corners are not better.

>>> You just tossed in your white flag... but then wanted to be seen as having
>>> "won". It really is that simple: you have your ego tied to Windows and will
>>> not admit that macOS does something better.
>>
>> No, I just have better things to do than spend more time than writing a
>> sentence in response to you. You might notice you often write a paragraph and
>> I write once sentence back. You remind me of a certain woman....
>
> Above I write a bit to go into detail... but with the whole PDF saving you
> have spent a LOT more time making excuses than it took me to show you what I
> was talking about. Still not even sure if you understand.
>
> https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0

Typical lefty. "You're confused, you don't understand."

On Feb 26, 2022 at 2:29:43 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1h7vbtmvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:42:34 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 24, 2022 at 8:35:38 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1h4mxojdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 03:13:35 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 24, 2022 at 4:51:25 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.1h4cjzc3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:50:04 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022 at 2:47:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.1hwr5ycjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you've STILL not been into an Apple shop and actually TRIED one!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He never was able to do with his PC what I did with my Mac... and it took me
>>>>>>>>>> just a couple minutes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The fact you needed to make a video showing how to do such a simple operation
>>>>>>>>> clearly shows that a simple operation on a Mac isn't simple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Part of the task is the making of and posting of a video, but you cannot even
>>>>>>>> describe how you would do the task.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's like asking me to describe how I open a door.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You want to try to convince someone that Windows can do those things as easily
>>>>>> as macOS... but you show NO evidence. I think by now even you realize Windows,
>>>>>> while not bad in terms of saving to PDF, is behind macOS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make a video of you opening a door to show it can be done.
>>>>
>>>> If we had a discussion where you said you can show you can open a door in a
>>>> better way than I can, and I disagreed, it would make sense for me to show
>>>> you. At the very least I would describe in detail what I meant.
>>>
>>> But you weren't discussing showing something, you were discussing the ease of
>>> showing something. And your something was something that doesn't need to be
>>> shown.
>>
>> The original point was the ease at saving a receipt to a web receipts folder.
>> This can, of course, be done on Windows. Save it as a PDF, drag and drop (or
>> copy and paste). Or navigate in the save dialog. If you use it a lot you can
>> even add it as a favorite. It is not like this is a challenging task in
>> Windows.
>>
>> The point was on macOS you can do those things, too, but there is an easier
>> method where I just "print" it to PDF and then use the PDF menu to put it
>> where I want. I can do this to preset folder (such as the web receipts) or to
>> ones I set up myself (such as my recipes folder). I can even have the PDF sent
>> to Mail or another app or sent to a script of my own design. Or one I find
>> elsewhere.
>
> How the fuck is that easier? Why would you want to use "print" to save?

It is odd to have the PDF functions in the Save dialog, though it makes sense
given how the system works in the background. But where else would you have
such a PDF menu... it uses all the same features.

And I showed you how it is easier... and then you waved your white flag. :)

>> This is one area where macOS offers tools to make things easier where Windows
>> does not. Does not mean macOS is better in all areas -- as we have talked
>> about, the new window management tools in Windows are ahead of the default
>> ones on macOS. In that case it is pretty easy to get third party tools to add
>> onto macOS, but the point remains that Windows default is "better" for many
>> folks.
>
> The defaults of curvy corners are not better.

They do not really impact functionality in any way I can see.

>
>>>> You just tossed in your white flag... but then wanted to be seen as having
>>>> "won". It really is that simple: you have your ego tied to Windows and will
>>>> not admit that macOS does something better.
>>>
>>> No, I just have better things to do than spend more time than writing a
>>> sentence in response to you. You might notice you often write a paragraph and
>>> I write once sentence back. You remind me of a certain woman....
>>
>> Above I write a bit to go into detail... but with the whole PDF saving you
>> have spent a LOT more time making excuses than it took me to show you what I
>> was talking about. Still not even sure if you understand.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/oNI6aFcuhY0
>
> Typical lefty. "You're confused, you don't understand."

You show no sign of understanding. Same, really, with things like climate
change and Covid. Then you play victim over it.

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On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:55:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1h7leamlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:57:15 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:54:34 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1h2e88gtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:36:35 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/02/2022 22:13, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:04:03 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <nbyRJ.242545$_5r7.120632@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if FedEx would be willing to deliver one?
>>>>
>>>> <groan> :-D
>>>
>>> Since I'd never hard it before I didn't groan. Try this:
>>>
>>> Federal Expresso, for when you absolutely have to be awake on time.
>>
>> FedEx and UPS are going to merge some day. They will be called Fed UPS.
>
> [titter]
>
> TITTER YE NOT!
>
> Am I the only one that's always called it expresso because it's fast?
> Espresso just isn't a word.
>
>>>>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same with any system.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm. Many folk using Windows are protected by a third-party
>>>> anti-malware software program.
>>>
>>> All are, and all mac users aswell presumably, now you guys have admitted Macs
>>> can indeed get viruses.
>>
>> Who denied it was possible? It is less likely, but it is possible.
>
> About 15 years ago, many mac users boasted that Windows was full of viruses
> and Macs had none. I pointed out that was because the user base was so small
> there was no point in writing one.

User base was small but users tended to be wealthier -- so the incentive was
there.

> I did like the comment from a programmer in one of the science projects I'm
> in. Apparently Apple's implementation of OpenCL for GPUs is incompatible with
> everyone else, so they can't be bothered re-writing for it.
>
>>>> Most people using Apple devices have no such protection installed.
>>>
>>> They're even dumber than I thought.
>>
>> Far less need.
>
> Brahmin excrement.

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On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:26:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1h7j2e19mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:55:23 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:31:48 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1h2d7aqimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:13:36 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:04:03 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <nbyRJ.242545$_5r7.120632@fx09.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if FedEx would be willing to deliver one?
>>>
>>> ROFL!
>>>
>>>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>>
>>>> Same with any system.
>>>>
>>>>> I rarely use Windows nowadays.
>>>>
>>>> Ditto... though I want to get a computer with Windows 11 just to play. Likely
>>>> will eventually.
>>>
>>> Get a second hand one if it's just for playing.
>>
>> That or just the cheapest I can find. Yeah, not likely going to spend 1/10th
>> of what I will on an iMac.
>
> Why not spend the same then do a comparison, make some videos, write a big
> report, and publish it everywhere?

Report on what?

I might do some videos on Windows if things jump out at me.

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On Feb 26, 2022 at 10:25:51 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.1h7j1dwlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:54:41 -0000, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 23, 2022 at 3:32:49 PM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.1h2d8znlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 22:04:03 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/02/2022 21:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 20:56:57 -0000, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>> Ah! I wasn't bothered by lightning. I simply didn't want the computer
>>>>>> being put into a forced shutdown because of a power failure.
>>>>>> As it happened, the power failed just before I was about to get into my
>>>>>> shower. Fortunately, it came back on after just a few minutes. =F0=9F=99=82
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have a UPS? Mine pauses any computation in Boinc immediately,
>>>>> sleeps if the battery gets low, and shuts down gracefully if the battery
>>>>> is nearly empty. Which reminds me, I must buy some bigger batteries.
>>>>> The built in ones suck when it's also powering all the lights in the
>>>>> house and the fridge and freezer. A few caravan batteries ought to do it.
>>>>
>>>> No, I've never had a UPS. (Except when I was at work!)
>>>>
>>>>> Forced shutdowns don't break computers anyway, you just lose unsaved
>>>>> work. Just like when Microsoft Updates restart without my fucking
>>>>> permission! Microsoft have actually worded some shite into their legal
>>>>> agreement so they can't be sued because of that. Thousands of people
>>>>> have lost money due to unsaved work on an update restart. Nobody knows
>>>>> why they seem so keen on people getting updates so quickly. A google
>>>>> search shows everybody hates it.
>>>>
>>>> Understood. Apple updates are essential to keep one's devices free from
>>>> malware and for other security matters.
>>>
>>> But there's no great hurry. What was wrong with the old method of putting up
>>> a notice asking the user to restart their own property when it's convenient?
>>> Anyway I've thwarted their communism by fucking around with the services.
>>
>> With macOS (and Linux) you are asked.
>
> Almost makes you think MS are up to something....

Or just not very competent at some basic things.

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