In article <op.1haim5bkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>, Commander Kinsey
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

> >>>
> >>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
> >>
> >> You're happy they spy on you?
> >
> > It doesn't bother me at all. Microsoft do it too and, if the truth be
> > known, every man and his dog on the Internet is gathering personal
> > information.
>
> They shouldn't be, what you do is nobody's business.

which is why they don't unless information is explicitly provided to
them.

> There's Duckduckgo, NordVPN, lots of ways to stop it.

those don't do what you might think.

On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>> (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>
>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>> > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>> >
>>> > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>> > > [....]
>>> > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>> and is,
>>> > > > as
>>> > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
>>> computers connected
>>> > > > to
>>> > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>> Apple could
>>> > > > or
>>> > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>> paranoid
>>> > > > idiot.
>>> > >
>>> > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>> >
>>> > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t click on
>>> > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why don’t yoy
>>> > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature?
>>> Oh. Wait.
>>> > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>>>
>>> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>>
>> ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
>
> If you mean rodents, try difenacoum.  If you mean viruses, get a virus
> checker.

Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted outrageous, totally
false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY supporting evidence
for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.

On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>
>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>
>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>
>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>> process."
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>
>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>
>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>
>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>> altogether.
>
> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).

Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
curtail Apple's involvement in China.

In article <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>
> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> curtail Apple's involvement in China.

it did.

you are both a bigot and clueless.

On 06/02/2022 18:35, Wolffan wrote:
> On 2022 Feb 06, David Brooks wrote
> (in article <XMSLJ.10927$EjU2.10622@fx07.ams1>):
>
>> On 06/02/2022 15:27, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2022-02-06, FromTheRafters<erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>
>>>>>>> You might wonder how such a circumstance could come about. I suggest
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> naively downloading and installing appropriate software would be a
>>>>>>> possible route. Most computer users have no idea what actually happens
>>>>>>> when they install software onto their machines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/pub-inf_5317.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> EXCELLENT - I will study later. Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have YOU any suggestion of HOW I can check my iMac? Are you familiar with
>>>>> Knock Knock?
>>>>
>>>> No. You have a habit of asking questions where you have little chance
>>>> of understanding the answers. You asked something general and I
>>>> answered something specific, that is a 'surreptitiously installed' VM
>>>> (like a full featured rootkit type of malware) could be detectable, in
>>>> some cases, by software. My linked answer was about how malware can
>>>> detect malware analyst's VMs from within said VMs.
>>>
>>> +1
>>
>> Just suppose, Steve, that you visited a website and downloaded some
>> software onto your Apple computer and then installed it.
>>
>> Assume, in doing so, you inadvertently installed a "rootkit type of
>> malware" onto your computer.
>
> you’re an idiot. the number of rootkits available for Macs is very low.
> Most of them have problems with XProtect or SIP or both. Apple has
> specifically addressed in November 2021 one strain which could bypass SIP.
> Unless and until new SIP bypasses are developed, any rootkit can’t be
> installed if you have SIP turned on.
>> If you were still able to use your computer
>> to achieve your chosen tasks, how would YOU ever detect that you were
>> hosting a spy within, as it were?
>
> Sophos and MalwareBytes both detected rootkits. Even those which bypass SIP
> or which are installed because some idiot has turned SIP off.
>
> There are also at least two command-line tools available from Git which not
> merelt detect but remove rootkits. As you’re massively incompetent, you
> dpn’t know how to use those tools. Hint: you can get the source code and
> compile them yourself. Well, I could. You’re an idiot. If you have the
> source, you can inspect it and see what each line does and will _know_
> what’s in there.

Interesting comments.

I challenge you.

Install ClamXav on a Mac computer and run a full scan.

Then check - as you are so competent - that there's no Rootkit on the
machine.

Then uninstall ClamXav.

Then inspect said machine to review what it has left behind - lurking!

Please report your findings for everyone to review.

On 08/02/2022 23:32, nospam wrote:
> In article <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>
> it did.

When?

> you are both a bigot and clueless.

My iMac was built in China.

You NEVER back up your claims with evidence.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000, wrote:

> On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>> (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>>> > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>>> >
>>>> > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>> > > [....]
>>>> > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>> and is,
>>>> > > > as
>>>> > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
>>>> computers connected
>>>> > > > to
>>>> > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>> Apple could
>>>> > > > or
>>>> > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>> paranoid
>>>> > > > idiot.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>> >
>>>> > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t click on
>>>> > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why don’t yoy
>>>> > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature?
>>>> Oh. Wait.
>>>> > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>>>
>>> ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
>>
>> If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses, get a virus
>> checker.
>
> Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted outrageous, totally
> false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY supporting evidence
> for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.

I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you did. You'd not be let into heaven!

On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>> (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>>>> > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>> > > [....]
>>>>> > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>> and is,
>>>>> > > > as
>>>>> > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
>>>>> computers connected
>>>>> > > > to
>>>>> > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>> Apple could
>>>>> > > > or
>>>>> > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>> paranoid
>>>>> > > > idiot.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>> >
>>>>> > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t
>>>>> click on
>>>>> > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why
>>>>> don’t yoy
>>>>> > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature?
>>>>> Oh. Wait.
>>>>> > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>>>>
>>>> ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
>>>
>>> If you mean rodents, try difenacoum.  If you mean viruses, get a virus
>>> checker.
>>
>> Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted outrageous, totally
>> false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY supporting evidence
>> for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
>
> I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you did.  You'd
> not be let into heaven!

I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to say!)

Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that one of her
fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had been fit and
well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs but caught
it - and died - ONLY of Covid.

The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:25:25 -0000, wrote:

> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>
>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>
>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>
>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>> altogether.
>>
>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine)..
>
> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> curtail Apple's involvement in China.

Looks like the UK is sticking its nose into Russia. Stop wasting our taxes!

In article <knDMJ.48677$hye7.5092@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
<Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> >> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> >> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
> >
> > it did.
>
> When?

a few years ago.

<https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-w
ere-much-more-damaging-than-thought/>
Donald Trump¹s tariffs and the trade war his administration launched
against China turned out to be far more damaging than many believed.
That is the conclusion of research finding companies, consumers and
the U.S. economy paid a heavy price for the Trump administration¹s
protectionist trade policies.

> > you are both a bigot and clueless.
>
> My iMac was built in China.

so what?

a lot of things are built in china, including just about all consumer
electronics, clothing and quite a bit more.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn>
Notable products manufactured by Foxconn include the BlackBerry,
iPad, iPhone, iPod, Kindle, all Nintendo gaming systems since the
GameCube (except subsequent Nintendo DS models), Nokia devices,
Sony devices (including the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 gaming
consoles), Google Pixel devices, Xiaomi devices, every successor
to Microsoft's first Xbox console,[11] and several CPU sockets,
including the TR4 CPU socket on some motherboards. As of 2012,
Foxconn factories manufactured an estimated 40% of all consumer
electronics sold worldwide.

china has the ability to scale up to the needed volumes. the usa does
not.

another thing you fail to understand is many of the components that are
used in apple products (as well as other companies) are made elsewhere.
only the final assembly is done in china.

<https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503>
Camera: Qualcomm, based in the U.S. with locations in Australia,
Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, and more than a
dozen locations through Europe and Latin America
....
Glass screen: Corning, based in the U.S., with locations in
Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Denmark, France, Germany, Hong
Kong, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Mexico,
Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Taiwan,
The Netherlands, Turkey, the U.K., and the United Arab Emirates 
....
Wi-Fi chip: Murata, based in the U.S. with locations in Japan,
Mexico, Brazil, Canada, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand,
Malaysia, Philippines, India, Vietnam, The Netherlands, Spain,
the U.K., Germany, Hungary, France, Italy, and Finland 

apple is slowly moving manufacturing to other locations, including
india. shutting down china entirely is not a viable option.

some products, such as the trashcan macpro, was made in texas, mostly
because it was a low volume product. as it turned out, the volumes were
lower than they had hoped for.

<https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/apples-new-mac-pro-to-be-made-in-
texas/>
As part of its commitment to US economic growth, Apple today
confirmed that its newly redesigned Mac Pro will be manufactured in
Austin, Texas. This latest generation Mac Pro, which was unveiled at
Apple¹s annual Worldwide Developer Conference in June, will begin
production soon at the same Austin facility where Mac Pro has been
made since 2013.

> You NEVER back up your claims with evidence.

that is very much false.

On 09/02/2022 00:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:25:25 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000,  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked?  https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull.  Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice.
>>>>> They have
>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>> makers --
>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>
>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>
>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>> altogether.
>>>
>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>> workers. The
>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>> maker which
>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>> charge more
>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>
>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>
> Looks like the UK is sticking its nose into Russia.  Stop wasting our
> taxes!

YOU are still young enough to be 'called up' for service!

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it! ;-)

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:

> On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>> (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>>>>> > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>> > > [....]
>>>>>> > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>> and is,
>>>>>> > > > as
>>>>>> > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
>>>>>> computers connected
>>>>>> > > > to
>>>>>> > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>> Apple could
>>>>>> > > > or
>>>>>> > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>> > > > idiot.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t
>>>>>> click on
>>>>>> > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why
>>>>>> don’t yoy
>>>>>> > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature?
>>>>>> Oh. Wait.
>>>>>> > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>>>>>
>>>>> ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
>>>>
>>>> If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses, get a virus
>>>> checker.
>>>
>>> Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted outrageous, totally
>>> false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY supporting evidence
>>> for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
>>
>> I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you did. You'd
>> not be let into heaven!
>
> I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to say!)

Do you have a funny accent?

> Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that one of her
> fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had been fit and
> well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs but caught
> it - and died - ONLY of Covid.

He died because the jabs are absolutely useless.

> The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.

The lord is a cunt and I don't understand why you worship him.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:45:43 -0000, wrote:

> On 09/02/2022 00:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:25:25 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>>>> and is, as
>>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>>>> Apple
>>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send
>>>>>>>> 'anonymous'
>>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid
>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in
>>>>>>> arch-enemy China.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice..
>>>>>> They have
>>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other
>>>>>> makers --
>>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>>> altogether.
>>>>
>>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of
>>>> workers. The
>>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware
>>>> maker which
>>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to
>>>> charge more
>>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>>
>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>
>> Looks like the UK is sticking its nose into Russia. Stop wasting our
>> taxes!
>
> YOU are still young enough to be 'called up' for service!

They don't do that shit anymore and I'm good at getting out of things.

> Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it! ;-)

I prefer marij....er... tobacco.

On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:

> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>
>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>
>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>
>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>> altogether.
>>
>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>
> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
> curtail Apple's involvement in China.

The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2022 Feb 08, David Brooks wrote
(in article <vcDMJ.34863$fIV5.13390@fx12.ams1>):

> On 06/02/2022 18:35, Wolffan wrote:
> > On 2022 Feb 06, David Brooks wrote
> > (in article <XMSLJ.10927$EjU2.10622@fx07.ams1>):
> >
> > > On 06/02/2022 15:27, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > On 2022-02-06, FromTheRafters<erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > > > > > > You might wonder how such a circumstance could come about. I suggest
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > naively downloading and installing appropriate software would be a
> > > > > > > > possible route. Most computer users have no idea what actually happens
> > > > > > > > when they install software onto their machines.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/pub-inf_5317.pdf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > EXCELLENT - I will study later. Thank you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have YOU any suggestion of HOW I can check my iMac? Are you familiar
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > Knock Knock?
> > > > >
> > > > > No. You have a habit of asking questions where you have little chance
> > > > > of understanding the answers. You asked something general and I
> > > > > answered something specific, that is a 'surreptitiously installed' VM
> > > > > (like a full featured rootkit type of malware) could be detectable, in
> > > > > some cases, by software. My linked answer was about how malware can
> > > > > detect malware analyst's VMs from within said VMs.
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > >
> > > Just suppose, Steve, that you visited a website and downloaded some
> > > software onto your Apple computer and then installed it.
> > >
> > > Assume, in doing so, you inadvertently installed a "rootkit type of
> > > malware" onto your computer.
> >
> > you’re an idiot. the number of rootkits available for Macs is very low.
> > Most of them have problems with XProtect or SIP or both. Apple has
> > specifically addressed in November 2021 one strain which could bypass SIP.
> > Unless and until new SIP bypasses are developed, any rootkit can’t be
> > installed if you have SIP turned on.
> > > If you were still able to use your computer
> > > to achieve your chosen tasks, how would YOU ever detect that you were
> > > hosting a spy within, as it were?
> >
> > Sophos and MalwareBytes both detected rootkits. Even those which bypass SIP
> > or which are installed because some idiot has turned SIP off.
> >
> > There are also at least two command-line tools available from Git which not
> > merelt detect but remove rootkits. As you’re massively incompetent, you
> > dpn’t know how to use those tools. Hint: you can get the source code and
> > compile them yourself. Well, I could. You’re an idiot. If you have the
> > source, you can inspect it and see what each line does and will _know_
> > what’s in there.
>
> Interesting comments.
>
> I challenge you.
>
> Install ClamXav on a Mac computer and run a full scan.

no rootkit
>
>
> Then check - as you are so competent - that there's no Rootkit on the
> machine.

no rootkit
>
>
> Then uninstall ClamXav.
>
> Then inspect said machine to review what it has left behind - lurking!

no rootkit
>
>
> Please report your findings for everyone to review.

you’re an idiot.

On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>>> (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>>>>>> > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>> > > [....]
>>>>>>> > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>> and is,
>>>>>>> > > > as
>>>>>>> > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
>>>>>>> computers connected
>>>>>>> > > > to
>>>>>>> > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>> Apple could
>>>>>>> > > > or
>>>>>>> > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>> > > > idiot.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t
>>>>>>> click on
>>>>>>> > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why
>>>>>>> don’t yoy
>>>>>>> > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature?
>>>>>>> Oh. Wait.
>>>>>>> > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you mean rodents, try difenacoum.  If you mean viruses, get a virus
>>>>> checker.
>>>>
>>>> Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted outrageous, totally
>>>> false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY supporting
>>>> evidence
>>>> for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
>>>
>>> I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you did.  You'd
>>> not be let into heaven!
>>
>> I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to say!)
>
> Do you have a funny accent?

No. I took elocution lessons at BRNC Dartmouth because it excused me
from a period of drill on the parade ground!

>> Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that one of her
>> fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had been fit and
>> well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs but caught
>> it - and died - ONLY of Covid.
>
> He died because the jabs are absolutely useless.

The evidence says otherwise. There are always exceptions to any 'rule'.

>> The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.

<Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>

On 09/02/2022 02:01, Snit wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2022 at 4:25:25 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <FZCMJ.48674$hye7.40698@fx11.ams1>:
>
>> On 08/02/2022 15:24, Snit wrote:
>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 8:21:41 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <aUvMJ.363793$9Y33.142758@fx06.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 08/02/2022 15:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022 at 3:44:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <2QrMJ.45146$sga6.5985@fx10.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/02/2022 00:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 10:25:31 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid and is, as
>>>>>>>>> usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple computers
>>>>>>>>> connected to
>>>>>>>>> the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that Apple
>>>>>>>>> could or
>>>>>>>>> would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively paranoid
>>>>>>>>> idiot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those don't look harmfull. Microsoft has stuff like "Send 'anonymous'
>>>>>>> (yeah right) usage data to Microsoft to improve our products."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mind you Apple state....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We believe that law enforcement agencies play a critical role in
>>>>>>> keeping our society safe and we’ve always maintained that if we have
>>>>>>> information we will make it available when presented with valid legal
>>>>>>> process."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/privacy/government-information-requests/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple grass you off!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm happy with the Apple stance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The BIG mistake they made was to have the hardware made in arch-enemy China.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately based on the macroeconomics they have little choice. They have
>>>>> stepped in, at times, to back human rights more than most other makers --
>>>>> which is not to say they do this enough.
>>>>
>>>> Things have changed. Apple could build factories in the USA and, just
>>>> like the Chinese, staff the factories with robots which Apple,
>>>> themselves, could now design and build!
>>>>
>>>> IMO, that is exactly what they SHOULD do - and withdraw from China
>>>> altogether.
>>>
>>> How automated are the factories? If done with very little human workers
>>> perhaps... but from what I understand there are still a lot of workers. The
>>> cost of labor is much lower in China -- which means any hardware maker which
>>> goes with a place where costs are much higher would likely have to charge more
>>> (though Apple could also get a lower profit margin and still be fine).
>>
>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>
> The US government does not do much about such stuff... does not matter how
> many jobs are lost here, and when jobs are here there is often little done to
> make sure safety regulations and the like are followed.

Have you read what 'nospam' has had to say about this?

Do you agree with him?

On 09/02/2022 00:41, nospam wrote:
> In article <knDMJ.48677$hye7.5092@fx11.ams1>, David Brooks
> <Davidb_tj@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Indeed. I'm surprised that the US government hasn't stepped in to
>>>> curtail Apple's involvement in China.
>>>
>>> it did.
>>
>> When?
>
> a few years ago.
>
> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/05/20/trumps-tariffs-w
> ere-much-more-damaging-than-thought/>
> Donald Trump¹s tariffs and the trade war his administration launched
> against China turned out to be far more damaging than many believed.
> That is the conclusion of research finding companies, consumers and
> the U.S. economy paid a heavy price for the Trump administration¹s
> protectionist trade policies.

Do you not understand that having one's enemy manufacture goods for
one's own consumption is a no-no?

>>> you are both a bigot and clueless.
>>
>> My iMac was built in China.
>
> so what?

There may well have been a 'spy' installed within it. There is no way
for an every-day user to check.

> a lot of things are built in china, including just about all consumer
> electronics, clothing and quite a bit more.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn>
> Notable products manufactured by Foxconn include the BlackBerry,
> iPad, iPhone, iPod, Kindle, all Nintendo gaming systems since the
> GameCube (except subsequent Nintendo DS models), Nokia devices,
> Sony devices (including the PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 gaming
> consoles), Google Pixel devices, Xiaomi devices, every successor
> to Microsoft's first Xbox console,[11] and several CPU sockets,
> including the TR4 CPU socket on some motherboards. As of 2012,
> Foxconn factories manufactured an estimated 40% of all consumer
> electronics sold worldwide.

Yes, I'd noticed during my visit to the USA in 2004 that the USA had
chosen a path of self-destruction. Chana has beaten the USA at its own game.

> china has the ability to scale up to the needed volumes. the usa does
> not.

Agree, Another failure.

> another thing you fail to understand is many of the components that are
> used in apple products (as well as other companies) are made elsewhere.
> only the final assembly is done in china.

I completely understand that.

> <https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503>
> Camera: Qualcomm, based in the U.S. with locations in Australia,
> Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, and more than a
> dozen locations through Europe and Latin America
> ...
> Glass screen: Corning, based in the U.S., with locations in
> Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Denmark, France, Germany, Hong
> Kong, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Mexico,
> Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Taiwan,
> The Netherlands, Turkey, the U.K., and the United Arab Emirates
> ...
> Wi-Fi chip: Murata, based in the U.S. with locations in Japan,
> Mexico, Brazil, Canada, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand,
> Malaysia, Philippines, India, Vietnam, The Netherlands, Spain,
> the U.K., Germany, Hungary, France, Italy, and Finland
>
> apple is slowly moving manufacturing to other locations, including
> india. shutting down china entirely is not a viable option.

What happens if the USA goes to war with China?

> some products, such as the trashcan macpro, was made in texas, mostly
> because it was a low volume product. as it turned out, the volumes were
> lower than they had hoped for.

A lot of people now buy the cheapest instead of the best.

> <https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/apples-new-mac-pro-to-be-made-in-
> texas/>
> As part of its commitment to US economic growth, Apple today
> confirmed that its newly redesigned Mac Pro will be manufactured in
> Austin, Texas. This latest generation Mac Pro, which was unveiled at
> Apple¹s annual Worldwide Developer Conference in June, will begin
> production soon at the same Austin facility where Mac Pro has been
> made since 2013.

Apple should MAKE its products in the USA and SELL them overseas.

>> You NEVER back up your claims with evidence.
>
> that is very much false.

That had been my experience. Perhaps you post using a pseudonym.

For what it's worth, NONE of the links you provided here will 'work' in
my Thunderbird newsreader. An expert like you should correct that or at
least raise the question of WHY in 'alt.comp.software.thunderbird'.

--
David B.

On 09/02/2022 10:26, David Brooks wrote:
> For what it's worth, NONE of the links you provided here will 'work' in
> my Thunderbird newsreader. An expert like you should correct that or at
> least raise the question of WHY in 'alt.comp.software.thunderbird'.

Correction.

I apologise.

*SOME* of the links are 'broken' and don't work.

HTH

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:

> On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>>>> (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>>>>>>> > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>>>>> > > [....]
>>>>>>>> > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>>>>>>>> and is,
>>>>>>>> > > > as
>>>>>>>> > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>> > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
>>>>>>>> computers connected
>>>>>>>> > > > to
>>>>>>>> > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>>>>>>>> Apple could
>>>>>>>> > > > or
>>>>>>>> > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>>>>>>>> paranoid
>>>>>>>> > > > idiot.
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t
>>>>>>>> click on
>>>>>>>> > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why
>>>>>>>> don’t yoy
>>>>>>>> > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature?
>>>>>>>> Oh. Wait.
>>>>>>>> > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses, get a virus
>>>>>> checker.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted outrageous, totally
>>>>> false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY supporting
>>>>> evidence
>>>>> for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
>>>>
>>>> I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you did. You'd
>>>> not be let into heaven!
>>>
>>> I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to say!)
>>
>> Do you have a funny accent?
>
> No. I took elocution lessons at BRNC Dartmouth because it excused me
> from a period of drill on the parade ground!

ROTFPMSL!

>>> Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that one of her
>>> fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had been fit and
>>> well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs but caught
>>> it - and died - ONLY of Covid.
>>
>> He died because the jabs are absolutely useless.
>
> The evidence says otherwise. There are always exceptions to any 'rule'..

83% exceptions? That's how many people hospitalised from covid have been jabbed.

>>> The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>
> <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>

Oh dear, you got it bad.

On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
(in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):

> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>
> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000, wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
> > > > > > > > (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
> > > > > > > > > > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > [....]
> > > > > > > > > > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
> > > > > > > > > and is,
> > > > > > > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
> > > > > > > > > computers connected
> > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
> > > > > > > > > Apple could
> > > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
> > > > > > > > > paranoid
> > > > > > > > > > > > idiot.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t
> > > > > > > > > click on
> > > > > > > > > > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why
> > > > > > > > > don’t yoy
> > > > > > > > > > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature?
> > > > > > > > > Oh. Wait.
> > > > > > > > > > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses, get a virus
> > > > > > > checker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted outrageous, totally
> > > > > > false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY supporting
> > > > > > evidence
> > > > > > for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you did. You'd
> > > > > not be let into heaven!
> > > >
> > > > I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to say!)
> > >
> > > Do you have a funny accent?
> >
> > No. I took elocution lessons at BRNC Dartmouth because it excused me
> > from a period of drill on the parade ground!
>
> ROTFPMSL!
>
> > > > Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that one of her
> > > > fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had been fit and
> > > > well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs but caught
> > > > it - and died - ONLY of Covid.
> > >
> > > He died because the jabs are absolutely useless.
> >
> > The evidence says otherwise. There are always exceptions to any 'rule'.
>
> 83% exceptions? That's how many people hospitalised from covid have been
> jabbed.
>
> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
> >
> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>
> Oh dear, you got it bad.

He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>
>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000, wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>> > > > > > > > (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000, Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>> > > > > > > > > > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > [....]
>> > > > > > > > > > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s incredibly stupid
>> > > > > > > > > and is,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > as
>> > > > > > > > > > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor all Apple
>> > > > > > > > > computers connected
>> > > > > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots would think that
>> > > > > > > > > Apple could
>> > > > > > > > > > > > or
>> > > > > > > > > > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is a massively
>> > > > > > > > > paranoid
>> > > > > > > > > > > > idiot.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked? https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know that I don’t
>> > > > > > > > > click on
>> > > > > > > > > > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’ again. Why
>> > > > > > > > > don’t yoy
>> > > > > > > > > > actually type in what you think you did? Which app? Which feature?
>> > > > > > > > > Oh. Wait.
>> > > > > > > > > > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t possibly do that.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to attack?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites containing RATs.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses, get a virus
>> > > > > > > checker.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted outrageous, totally
>> > > > > > false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY supporting
>> > > > > > evidence
>> > > > > > for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you did. You'd
>> > > > > not be let into heaven!
>> > > >
>> > > > I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to say!)
>> > >
>> > > Do you have a funny accent?
>> >
>> > No. I took elocution lessons at BRNC Dartmouth because it excused me
>> > from a period of drill on the parade ground!
>>
>> ROTFPMSL!
>>
>> > > > Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that one of her
>> > > > fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had been fit and
>> > > > well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs but caught
>> > > > it - and died - ONLY of Covid.
>> > >
>> > > He died because the jabs are absolutely useless.
>> >
>> > The evidence says otherwise. There are always exceptions to any 'rule'.
>>
>> 83% exceptions? That's how many people hospitalised from covid have been
>> jabbed.
>>
>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>> >
>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>
>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>
> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.

He likes evidence. Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and even raised my hand for an easy target. Where is the lighting? Is he non-existant or incapable?

On 09/02/2022 21:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
>> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>
>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000, wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000,
>>> Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>> > > > > > > > (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000,
>>> Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>> > > > > > > > > > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > > > > [....]
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s
>>> incredibly stupid
>>> > > > > > > > > and is,
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > as
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor
>>> all Apple
>>> > > > > > > > > computers connected
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots
>>> would think that
>>> > > > > > > > > Apple could
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > or
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is
>>> a massively
>>> > > > > > > > > paranoid
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > idiot.
>>> > > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked?
>>> https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know
>>> that I don’t
>>> > > > > > > > > click on
>>> > > > > > > > > > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’
>>> again. Why
>>> > > > > > > > > don’t yoy
>>> > > > > > > > > > actually type in what you think you did? Which app?
>>> Which feature?
>>> > > > > > > > > Oh. Wait.
>>> > > > > > > > > > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t
>>> possibly do that.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to
>>> attack?
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites
>>> containing RATs.
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses,
>>> get a virus
>>> > > > > > > checker.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted
>>> outrageous, totally
>>> > > > > > false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY
>>> supporting
>>> > > > > > evidence
>>> > > > > > for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you
>>> did. You'd
>>> > > > > not be let into heaven!
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to
>>> say!)
>>> > >
>>> > > Do you have a funny accent?
>>> >
>>> > No. I took elocution lessons at BRNC Dartmouth because it excused me
>>> > from a period of drill on the parade ground!
>>>
>>> ROTFPMSL!
>>>
>>> > > > Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that
>>> one of her
>>> > > > fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had
>>> been fit and
>>> > > > well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs
>>> but caught
>>> > > > it - and died - ONLY of Covid.
>>> > >
>>> > > He died because the jabs are absolutely useless.
>>> >
>>> > The evidence says otherwise. There are always exceptions to any
>>> 'rule'.
>>>
>>> 83% exceptions? That's how many people hospitalised from covid have been
>>> jabbed.
>>>
>>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>>> >
>>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>>
>>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>>
>> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.
>
> He likes evidence.  Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and even
> raised my hand for an easy target.  Where is the lighting?  Is he
> non-existent or incapable?

*Ask him to HEAL you ...... and he will*. ❤️

Here's your starter for ten:-

https://www.xavier.edu/jesuitresource/online-resources/prayer-index/prayers-for-healing

(From a random Google search)

On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 22:45:02 -0000, wrote:

> On 09/02/2022 21:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000, wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000,
>>>> Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>> > > > > > > > (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000,
>>>> Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>>> > > > > > > > > > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > [....]
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s
>>>> incredibly stupid
>>>> > > > > > > > > and is,
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > as
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor
>>>> all Apple
>>>> > > > > > > > > computers connected
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots
>>>> would think that
>>>> > > > > > > > > Apple could
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > or
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is
>>>> a massively
>>>> > > > > > > > > paranoid
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > idiot.
>>>> > > > > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked?
>>>> https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know
>>>> that I don’t
>>>> > > > > > > > > click on
>>>> > > > > > > > > > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’
>>>> again. Why
>>>> > > > > > > > > don’t yoy
>>>> > > > > > > > > > actually type in what you think you did? Which app?
>>>> Which feature?
>>>> > > > > > > > > Oh. Wait.
>>>> > > > > > > > > > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t
>>>> possibly do that.
>>>> > > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > > Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to
>>>> attack?
>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites
>>>> containing RATs.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses,
>>>> get a virus
>>>> > > > > > > checker.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted
>>>> outrageous, totally
>>>> > > > > > false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY
>>>> supporting
>>>> > > > > > evidence
>>>> > > > > > for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you
>>>> did. You'd
>>>> > > > > not be let into heaven!
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to
>>>> say!)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Do you have a funny accent?
>>>> >
>>>> > No. I took elocution lessons at BRNC Dartmouth because it excused me
>>>> > from a period of drill on the parade ground!
>>>>
>>>> ROTFPMSL!
>>>>
>>>> > > > Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that
>>>> one of her
>>>> > > > fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had
>>>> been fit and
>>>> > > > well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs
>>>> but caught
>>>> > > > it - and died - ONLY of Covid.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > He died because the jabs are absolutely useless.
>>>> >
>>>> > The evidence says otherwise. There are always exceptions to any
>>>> 'rule'.
>>>>
>>>> 83% exceptions? That's how many people hospitalised from covid have been
>>>> jabbed.
>>>>
>>>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>>>> >
>>>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>>>
>>>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>>>
>>> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.
>>
>> He likes evidence. Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and even
>> raised my hand for an easy target. Where is the lighting? Is he
>> non-existent or incapable?
>
> *Ask him to HEAL you ...... and he will*. ❤️

My neighbour asked him to heal his wife, the good lord let her die. He is not worthy of worship and is a fucking cunt.

> Here's your starter for ten:-
>
> https://www.xavier.edu/jesuitresource/online-resources/prayer-index/prayers-for-healing
>
> (From a random Google search)

Surely just asking "please heal me" should suffice? Or is he that big-headed?

On 09/02/2022 22:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 22:45:02 -0000,  wrote:
>
>> On 09/02/2022 21:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 21:02:03 -0000, Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2022 Feb 09, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>> (in article <op.1hb973uumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 08:47:52 -0000, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 09/02/2022 00:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> > > On Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:35:19 -0000, wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > > On 09/02/2022 00:24, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 23:23:24 -0000, wrote:
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > On 08/02/2022 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2022 03:49:09 -0000,
>>>>> Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>>>> > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, Commander Kinsey wrote
>>>>> > > > > > > > (in article <op.1g8xw7w3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>):
>>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 13:39:12 -0000,
>>>>> Wolffan<akwolffan@zoho.com>
>>>>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>>>>> > > > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > On 2022 Feb 07, David Brooks wrote
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > (in article <vs6MJ.48231$hye7.39171@fx11.ams1>):
>>>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > On 07/02/2022 03:44, Wolffan wrote:
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > [....]
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > it’d be a problem if it were true. as he’s
>>>>> incredibly stupid
>>>>> > > > > > > > > and is,
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > as
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > usual, utterly wrong, it’s not a problem.
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > Apple does not, and cannot possibly, monitor
>>>>> all Apple
>>>>> > > > > > > > > computers connected
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > to
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > the internet. Only massively paranoid idiots
>>>>> would think that
>>>>> > > > > > > > > Apple could
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > or
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > would do any such thing. Oh. Wait. Our David is
>>>>> a massively
>>>>> > > > > > > > > paranoid
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > idiot.
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > Do YOU have these boxes ticked?
>>>>> https://ibb.co/Zd7fdVy
>>>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > i don’t click on your links, vile one. you know
>>>>> that I don’t
>>>>> > > > > > > > > click on
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > your links, and you know why. Unless you ‘forgot’
>>>>> again. Why
>>>>> > > > > > > > > don’t yoy
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > actually type in what you think you did? Which app?
>>>>> Which feature?
>>>>> > > > > > > > > Oh. Wait.
>>>>> > > > > > > > > > That would take actual intelligence. You can’t
>>>>> possibly do that.
>>>>> > > > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > > Why are you afraid of links? Is your PC vulnerable to
>>>>> attack?
>>>>> > > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > > ol’ yellowstain has been known to link to sites
>>>>> containing RATs.
>>>>> > > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > > If you mean rodents, try difenacoum. If you mean viruses,
>>>>> get a virus
>>>>> > > > > > > checker.
>>>>> > > > > >
>>>>> > > > > > Wolffan is a liar and a coward. He has concocted
>>>>> outrageous, totally
>>>>> > > > > > false, stories about me and has *NEVER* provided ANY
>>>>> supporting
>>>>> > > > > > evidence
>>>>> > > > > > for his false claims - how could he, they are total bollox.
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > I can't see a god fearing person doing what he claimed you
>>>>> did. You'd
>>>>> > > > > not be let into heaven!
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > I already live there! (Devon is heaven as my dear mum used to
>>>>> say!)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Do you have a funny accent?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > No. I took elocution lessons at BRNC Dartmouth because it excused me
>>>>> > from a period of drill on the parade ground!
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFPMSL!
>>>>>
>>>>> > > > Btw - my wife returned from Bridge tonight and reported that
>>>>> one of her
>>>>> > > > fellow players has recently become a widow. Her husband had
>>>>> been fit and
>>>>> > > > well, was a regular golf player, had had all thee Covid jabs
>>>>> but caught
>>>>> > > > it - and died - ONLY of Covid.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > He died because the jabs are absolutely useless.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The evidence says otherwise. There are always exceptions to any
>>>>> 'rule'.
>>>>>
>>>>> 83% exceptions? That's how many people hospitalised from covid have
>>>>> been
>>>>> jabbed.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > > The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > <Breaking one of the Ten Commandments snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh dear, you got it bad.
>>>>
>>>> He’s on a Mission From God. He’s posted so himself several times.
>>>
>>> He likes evidence.  Well I just commanded go to strike me down, and even
>>> raised my hand for an easy target.  Where is the lighting?  Is he
>>> non-existent or incapable?
>>
>> *Ask him to HEAL you ...... and he will*. ❤️
>
> My neighbour asked him to heal his wife, the good lord let her die.  He
> is not worthy of worship <snip blasphemous content>

Perhaps it was her time. *Life is a dying business!!

>> Here's your starter for ten:-
>>
>> https://www.xavier.edu/jesuitresource/online-resources/prayer-index/prayers-for-healing
>>
>>
>> (From a random Google search)
>
> Surely just asking "please heal me" should suffice?  Or is he that
> big-headed?

Not enough. You have to put in to get something out (words to that effect)

Just say the prayers - you may feel your energy return as you speak.

Try it. Do it for me.