On 10.03.23 17:41, Nobody wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:21:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 09/03/2023 22:39, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:26:06 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/03/2023 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:06:01 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 16:31, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <qm3h0ipcplb7pt5h8jqpkudmt6oakmsc4p@4ax.com>, at 13:35:09 on
>>>>>>>> Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:38:50 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nor did I that deny there might be a reduction in the force of the
>>>>>>>>>> collision (although the aftermath could have been worse in a less
>>>>>>>>>> favorable location).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you still interested in being notified of your gradual switch to US
>>>>>>>>> spelling?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I said last time you tried to start one of your pointless arguments
>>>>>>>> about this, there's so many postings to reply to (you being one of the
>>>>>>>> worst offenders) I don't time to correct my spell-checker back to
>>>>>>>> UK-English as thoroughly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But if course, you knew what I meant, even if seeing US spelling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I knew what you meant. But you had denied that your posts
>>>>>>> (whoever types them) increasingly used US spelling, and asked me to prove
>>>>>>> it. Now I have, you say you didn't want to know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we know you use an ancient, long-unsupported, locally-written news
>>>>>>> reader. Surely it came with a UK spell checker, if it has one at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It was there long before Columbus found (or thought he had found) it.
>>>>
>>>> Columbus never discovered, or arrived at America, as in the Good Old US of.
>>>>
>>> America doesn't belong to the USA despite their continuing efforts to
>>> do so. Ask (almost) anyone from the True North.
>>
>> Colunbus certainly never went near the True North!
>
> Someone loved him enuf to call the original mainland colony British
> Columbia, and the name stuck on amalgamation with Vancouver Island in
> 1866.

Somewhat indirectly. British Columbia takes its name from the Columbia
River (to distinguish it from Oregon to the south, the American portion
of the Columbia river basin). The river takes its name from the ship
Columbia Rediviva (Columbus revived), an American ship involved in the
fur trade, the first to record the existence of the river.

Robin

On 10.03.23 17:31, Nobody wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 09:36:08 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:tudhog$1k0ke$5@dont-email.me...
>>> Program and programme have now acquired different meanings here: we have
>>> computer programs but TV programmes.
>>
>> True. And we've never adopted the American habit of referring to a training
>> course as a program. Just as "college" is further education, after leaving
>> school at 16 or 18, not school itself. Interesting how British and American
>> English have diverged in lots of little ways like that. When I went over to
>> see my sister who was living in Boston for a few years, I know about all the
>> obvious things like faucet/tap, apartment/flat, closet/cupboard.
>
> A cupboard is a cupboard, at least in Canaduh.
>
> A closet is its taller cousin, floor-to-ceiling type, a built-in
> wardrobe generally in hallways or bedrooms, though occasionally in
> kitchens where it's home to brooms 'n stuff.

You wouldn't be able to fit a skeleton in a cupboard.

Robin

In message <2K6dndiw6NYAqZb5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
13:46:07 on Fri, 10 Mar 2023, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:
>On 10/03/2023 11:51, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> "Bob" <bob@domain.com> wrote in message news:tuesuq$1tf72$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> Formally, jail/gaol and prison are different things. A jail is the cells
>>>> in a police station or court building, where you are held on arrest or in
>>>> remand, while a prison is where custodial sentances are served. For
>>>> practical reasons, if someone is remanded in custody due to bail being
>>>> denied, this ususally happens in a prison as they are set up for long
>>>> duration stays rather than the rather more short term custody of a jail.
>>>
>>> I never knew about that distinction. I've always used the two words as
>>> synonyms, which it seems was wrong. I get the impression that US usage
>>> doesn't make that distinction, in the same way that they don't distinguish
>>> between "licence" (the noun) and "license" (the verb).
>> In US usage license is the noun and licence the verb! USAians don’t
>> practise anything, though.
>
>Oh, right. I didn't know the spelling "licence" was used in the States.
>
>Next we get onto "laboratory" pronounced like "lavatory" ;-) And 'erbs
>(as in parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme) and "soddering" (joining
>wires to terminals using molten metal). And the let's play the game of
>"how many syllables can you break 'vehicle' into?" ;-)

Then there's the thing called the Inner-Net, which presumably
distinguishes it from the hypothetical Outer-Net; but where in
this grand scheme of things is the Intra-Net?
--
Roland Perry

On 10/03/2023 17:35, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <2K6dndiw6NYAqZb5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
> 13:46:07 on Fri, 10 Mar 2023, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:
>> On 10/03/2023 11:51, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "Bob" <bob@domain.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:tuesuq$1tf72$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Formally, jail/gaol and prison are different things. A jail is the
>>>>> cells
>>>>> in a police station or court building, where you are held on arrest
>>>>> or in
>>>>> remand, while a prison is where custodial sentances are served. For
>>>>> practical reasons, if someone is remanded in custody due to bail being
>>>>> denied, this ususally happens in a prison as they are set up for long
>>>>> duration stays rather than the rather more short term custody of a
>>>>> jail.
>>>>
>>>> I never knew about that distinction. I've always used the two words as
>>>> synonyms, which it seems was wrong. I get the impression that US usage
>>>> doesn't make that distinction, in the same way that they don't
>>>> distinguish
>>>> between "licence" (the noun) and "license" (the verb).
>>>  In US usage license is the noun and licence the verb!  USAians don’t
>>> practise anything, though.
>>
>> Oh, right. I didn't know the spelling "licence" was used in the States.
>>
>> Next we get onto "laboratory" pronounced like "lavatory" ;-)  And
>> 'erbs (as in parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme) and "soddering"
>> (joining wires to terminals using molten metal). And the let's play
>> the game of "how many syllables can you break 'vehicle' into?" ;-)
>
> Then there's the thing called the Inner-Net, which  presumably
> distinguishes it from the hypothetical Outer-Net; but where in
> this grand scheme of things is the Intra-Net?

Somewhere between the two?
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:25:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <tuetm0$1tksf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:36:08 on Fri, 10 Mar
>2023, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>>"Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:tudhog$1k0ke$5@dont-email.me...
>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> It's interesting that US spelling has prevailed in the UK for
>>>> computer-related words such as "program" and "disk", but we still use our
>>>> own spelling for "colour" as in "16-million-colour graphics mode". I
>>>>think
>>>> "disk" is regarded as a less US-specific spelling than "program":
>>>>I've seen
>>>> some UK car-related information referring to "disk brakes".
>>>
>>> Program and programme have now acquired different meanings here: we have
>>> computer programs but TV programmes.
>>
>>True. And we've never adopted the American habit of referring to a
>>training course as a program. Just as "college" is further education,
>>after leaving school at 16 or 18, not school itself.
>
>The USA-ians refer to their University as "going to school", or was that
>part of your rather ambiguous statement above?
>
>>Interesting how British and American English have diverged in lots of
>>little ways like that. When I went over to see my sister who was living
>>in Boston for a few years, I know about all the obvious things like
>>faucet/tap, apartment/flat, closet/cupboard. But the one thing that
>>caught me out was when someone asked me how long I was staying in
>>America and I replied "a fortnight" which was met with blank
>>incomprehension: I hadn't realised that the word "fortnight", meaning
>>two weeks, was not as widely used in America.
>
>That's one of a fairly short list that they don't comprehend. Whereas
>things like "rubber" - cf Durex=Sellotape in Australia - simply have an
>unexpected connotation.

I'm not sure what you're trying to cover with Durex=Sellotape in
Aussie? Sellotape is the major brand of adhesive tape Down Under (as
in the Ewe Kay too I think). 3M's Scotch Tape in North America
ditto... and both brands' names have entered local lexicon as the
generic label for the item.

Aussies giggle at clothing from a True North company whose products
are emblazoned with "Roots Canada".

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:41:09 +0100, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:

>On 10.03.23 17:41, Nobody wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:21:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/03/2023 22:39, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:26:06 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/03/2023 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:06:01 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 16:31, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <qm3h0ipcplb7pt5h8jqpkudmt6oakmsc4p@4ax.com>, at 13:35:09 on
>>>>>>>>> Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:38:50 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nor did I that deny there might be a reduction in the force of the
>>>>>>>>>>> collision (although the aftermath could have been worse in a less
>>>>>>>>>>> favorable location).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you still interested in being notified of your gradual switch to US
>>>>>>>>>> spelling?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like I said last time you tried to start one of your pointless arguments
>>>>>>>>> about this, there's so many postings to reply to (you being one of the
>>>>>>>>> worst offenders) I don't time to correct my spell-checker back to
>>>>>>>>> UK-English as thoroughly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But if course, you knew what I meant, even if seeing US spelling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course I knew what you meant. But you had denied that your posts
>>>>>>>> (whoever types them) increasingly used US spelling, and asked me to prove
>>>>>>>> it. Now I have, you say you didn't want to know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And we know you use an ancient, long-unsupported, locally-written news
>>>>>>>> reader. Surely it came with a UK spell checker, if it has one at all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was there long before Columbus found (or thought he had found) it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Columbus never discovered, or arrived at America, as in the Good Old US of.
>>>>>
>>>> America doesn't belong to the USA despite their continuing efforts to
>>>> do so. Ask (almost) anyone from the True North.
>>>
>>> Colunbus certainly never went near the True North!
>>
>> Someone loved him enuf to call the original mainland colony British
>> Columbia, and the name stuck on amalgamation with Vancouver Island in
>> 1866.
>
>Somewhat indirectly. British Columbia takes its name from the Columbia
>River (to distinguish it from Oregon to the south,

Yeah, and the area to the north (i.e. a large portion of present day
Washington state) was stolen from "us".

Queen Vicky somehow got involved in the 49th eventually becoming the
mainland border to tidewater, resulting in us holding a tiny finger of
WA state hostage south of Vancouver!

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tuer2t$1t7i5$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:51:41 on Fri, 10 Mar
> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tudgsl$1js5p$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:51:39 on Thu, 9 Mar
>>> 2023, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> It's actually a product for a worldwide audience, or didn't you see the
>>>>>> list of European languages I gave? Then it was also aimed somewhat at an
>>>>>> audience of computer geeks, and American is the language spoken there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CGA = Color Graphics Adapter; HDD = Hard Disk Drive, and so on.
>>>>
>>>> But CD = Compact Disc ;-) Because Philips chose to use the UK spelling.
>>>
>>> And when launched, it wasn't a format for computer storage, just music.
>>>
>>>> It's interesting that US spelling has prevailed in the UK for
>>>> computer-related words such as "program"
>>>
>>> Programmes have only ever been those things on the TV, as far as I'm
>>> aware. Programmers, the other hand is a bilingual expression.
>>>
>>>> and "disk", but we still use our own spelling for "colour" as in
>>>> "16-million-colour graphics mode".
>>>
>>> In common parlance, yes. However graphics modes aren't the only thing
>>> with colours - railway train liveries have those too. USA computing
>>> predominated described itself (for example Tandy TRS-80, having a "Color
>>> BASIC") with their terminology. Arguably it's rude to use a different
>>> spelling behind of such items their back.
>>>
>>> Of course sometimes we just pronounce things differently, see row[rhymes
>>> with cow]-ters versus roo-ters.
>>
>> The trouble with that one (and I have a professional interest here) is that
>> there are three verbs with three meanings but only two pronounciations (or
>> is that pronunciations?): to rout, to route and to root.
>
> If you mean hacking as applied to rooting a Unix device, that's a very
> specialist term.

<https://www.wordnik.com/words/root> plenty to choose from.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 10/03/2023 11:51, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>> "Bob" <bob@domain.com> wrote in message news:tuesuq$1tf72$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> Formally, jail/gaol and prison are different things. A jail is the cells
>>>> in a police station or court building, where you are held on arrest or in
>>>> remand, while a prison is where custodial sentances are served. For
>>>> practical reasons, if someone is remanded in custody due to bail being
>>>> denied, this ususally happens in a prison as they are set up for long
>>>> duration stays rather than the rather more short term custody of a jail.
>>>
>>> I never knew about that distinction. I've always used the two words as
>>> synonyms, which it seems was wrong. I get the impression that US usage
>>> doesn't make that distinction, in the same way that they don't distinguish
>>> between "licence" (the noun) and "license" (the verb).
>>
>> In US usage license is the noun and licence the verb! USAians don’t
>> practise anything, though.
>
> Oh, right. I didn't know the spelling "licence" was used in the States.
>
> Next we get onto "laboratory" pronounced like "lavatory" ;-) And 'erbs
> (as in parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme) and "soddering" (joining wires
> to terminals using molten metal). And the let's play the game of "how
> many syllables can you break 'vehicle' into?" ;-)

To divert even further, I remember hearing on a radio program that Japanese
people tend to hear between 3 and 5 syllables in the word “skate”.

Sam

--
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Spit the dummy to reply

On 10.03.23 19:25, Nobody wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:41:09 +0100, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10.03.23 17:41, Nobody wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:21:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/03/2023 22:39, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:26:06 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:06:01 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 16:31, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <qm3h0ipcplb7pt5h8jqpkudmt6oakmsc4p@4ax.com>, at 13:35:09 on
>>>>>>>>>> Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:38:50 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor did I that deny there might be a reduction in the force of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> collision (although the aftermath could have been worse in a less
>>>>>>>>>>>> favorable location).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you still interested in being notified of your gradual switch to US
>>>>>>>>>>> spelling?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like I said last time you tried to start one of your pointless arguments
>>>>>>>>>> about this, there's so many postings to reply to (you being one of the
>>>>>>>>>> worst offenders) I don't time to correct my spell-checker back to
>>>>>>>>>> UK-English as thoroughly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But if course, you knew what I meant, even if seeing US spelling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course I knew what you meant. But you had denied that your posts
>>>>>>>>> (whoever types them) increasingly used US spelling, and asked me to prove
>>>>>>>>> it. Now I have, you say you didn't want to know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And we know you use an ancient, long-unsupported, locally-written news
>>>>>>>>> reader. Surely it came with a UK spell checker, if it has one at all?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was there long before Columbus found (or thought he had found) it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Columbus never discovered, or arrived at America, as in the Good Old US of.
>>>>>>
>>>>> America doesn't belong to the USA despite their continuing efforts to
>>>>> do so. Ask (almost) anyone from the True North.
>>>>
>>>> Colunbus certainly never went near the True North!
>>>
>>> Someone loved him enuf to call the original mainland colony British
>>> Columbia, and the name stuck on amalgamation with Vancouver Island in
>>> 1866.
>>
>> Somewhat indirectly. British Columbia takes its name from the Columbia
>> River (to distinguish it from Oregon to the south,
>
> Yeah, and the area to the north (i.e. a large portion of present day
> Washington state) was stolen from "us".
>
> Queen Vicky somehow got involved in the 49th eventually becoming the
> mainland border to tidewater, resulting in us holding a tiny finger of
> WA state hostage south of Vancouver!

The 49th extending so far was something of an accident. When that border
was agreed, it was to extend from Lake of the Woods (the NW corner,
leading to the other oddity in the border) to where it met the
Mississippi river, on the belief that it extended that far north. The
agreement, once the fact that it didn't cross the Mississippi led to
another awkward incident. It was agreed that Vancouver Island would be
British, so the border was to extend to the tidewaters of the Pacific
and then follow the middle of the "main channel" between there and the
ocean around the southern tip of Vancouver Island.

Unfortunately there is no "main channel", there are islands that fill
the channel with no clear main channel. The islands were slowly
populated by both Americans and British (Canada wasn't involved in the
west yet), and nobody really was much concerned, until a pig belonging
to a British settler was shot for digging up the garden of an American
settler on one of the islands in between Vancouver Island and the
mainland. There resulted a jurisdictional disagreement that resulted in
500 US soldiers and 5 RN warships with over 2000 men threatening war.
Cool heads on the ground prevailed, and initially everyone agreed to
disagree peacefully, until the Kaiser was brought in as an independent
arbitrator to resolve where the border should be (he made the wrong choice).

Robin

On 10.03.23 18:35, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <2K6dndiw6NYAqZb5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, at
> 13:46:07 on Fri, 10 Mar 2023, NY <me@privacy.net> remarked:
>> On 10/03/2023 11:51, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>> "Bob" <bob@domain.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:tuesuq$1tf72$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Formally, jail/gaol and prison are different things. A jail is the
>>>>> cells
>>>>> in a police station or court building, where you are held on arrest
>>>>> or in
>>>>> remand, while a prison is where custodial sentances are served. For
>>>>> practical reasons, if someone is remanded in custody due to bail being
>>>>> denied, this ususally happens in a prison as they are set up for long
>>>>> duration stays rather than the rather more short term custody of a
>>>>> jail.
>>>>
>>>> I never knew about that distinction. I've always used the two words as
>>>> synonyms, which it seems was wrong. I get the impression that US usage
>>>> doesn't make that distinction, in the same way that they don't
>>>> distinguish
>>>> between "licence" (the noun) and "license" (the verb).
>>>  In US usage license is the noun and licence the verb!  USAians don’t
>>> practise anything, though.
>>
>> Oh, right. I didn't know the spelling "licence" was used in the States.
>>
>> Next we get onto "laboratory" pronounced like "lavatory" ;-)  And
>> 'erbs (as in parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme) and "soddering"
>> (joining wires to terminals using molten metal). And the let's play
>> the game of "how many syllables can you break 'vehicle' into?" ;-)
>
> Then there's the thing called the Inner-Net, which  presumably
> distinguishes it from the hypothetical Outer-Net; but where in
> this grand scheme of things is the Intra-Net?

See also the confusion betwen the name of Canada's largest city and the
capital of Albania.

Robin

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:19:11 -0800, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:25:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <tuetm0$1tksf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:36:08 on Fri, 10 Mar
>>2023, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>>>"Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tudhog$1k0ke$5@dont-email.me...
>>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> It's interesting that US spelling has prevailed in the UK for
>>>>> computer-related words such as "program" and "disk", but we still use our
>>>>> own spelling for "colour" as in "16-million-colour graphics mode". I
>>>>>think
>>>>> "disk" is regarded as a less US-specific spelling than "program":
>>>>>I've seen
>>>>> some UK car-related information referring to "disk brakes".
>>>>
>>>> Program and programme have now acquired different meanings here: we have
>>>> computer programs but TV programmes.
>>>
>>>True. And we've never adopted the American habit of referring to a
>>>training course as a program. Just as "college" is further education,
>>>after leaving school at 16 or 18, not school itself.
>>
>>The USA-ians refer to their University as "going to school", or was that
>>part of your rather ambiguous statement above?
>>
>>>Interesting how British and American English have diverged in lots of
>>>little ways like that. When I went over to see my sister who was living
>>>in Boston for a few years, I know about all the obvious things like
>>>faucet/tap, apartment/flat, closet/cupboard. But the one thing that
>>>caught me out was when someone asked me how long I was staying in
>>>America and I replied "a fortnight" which was met with blank
>>>incomprehension: I hadn't realised that the word "fortnight", meaning
>>>two weeks, was not as widely used in America.
>>
>>That's one of a fairly short list that they don't comprehend. Whereas
>>things like "rubber" - cf Durex=Sellotape in Australia - simply have an
>>unexpected connotation.
>
>I'm not sure what you're trying to cover with Durex=Sellotape in
>Aussie? Sellotape is the major brand of adhesive tape Down Under (as
>in the Ewe Kay too I think). 3M's Scotch Tape in North America
>ditto... and both brands' names have entered local lexicon as the
>generic label for the item.
>
>Aussies giggle at clothing from a True North company whose products
>are emblazoned with "Roots Canada".
>
Then there are US males apparently equipped with fannies.

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:15:20 +0000, Charles Ellson
<charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:19:11 -0800, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:25:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>In message <tuetm0$1tksf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:36:08 on Fri, 10 Mar
>>>2023, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>>>>"Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tudhog$1k0ke$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> It's interesting that US spelling has prevailed in the UK for
>>>>>> computer-related words such as "program" and "disk", but we still use our
>>>>>> own spelling for "colour" as in "16-million-colour graphics mode". I
>>>>>>think
>>>>>> "disk" is regarded as a less US-specific spelling than "program":
>>>>>>I've seen
>>>>>> some UK car-related information referring to "disk brakes".
>>>>>
>>>>> Program and programme have now acquired different meanings here: we have
>>>>> computer programs but TV programmes.
>>>>
>>>>True. And we've never adopted the American habit of referring to a
>>>>training course as a program. Just as "college" is further education,
>>>>after leaving school at 16 or 18, not school itself.
>>>
>>>The USA-ians refer to their University as "going to school", or was that
>>>part of your rather ambiguous statement above?
>>>
>>>>Interesting how British and American English have diverged in lots of
>>>>little ways like that. When I went over to see my sister who was living
>>>>in Boston for a few years, I know about all the obvious things like
>>>>faucet/tap, apartment/flat, closet/cupboard. But the one thing that
>>>>caught me out was when someone asked me how long I was staying in
>>>>America and I replied "a fortnight" which was met with blank
>>>>incomprehension: I hadn't realised that the word "fortnight", meaning
>>>>two weeks, was not as widely used in America.
>>>
>>>That's one of a fairly short list that they don't comprehend. Whereas
>>>things like "rubber" - cf Durex=Sellotape in Australia - simply have an
>>>unexpected connotation.
>>
>>I'm not sure what you're trying to cover with Durex=Sellotape in
>>Aussie? Sellotape is the major brand of adhesive tape Down Under (as
>>in the Ewe Kay too I think). 3M's Scotch Tape in North America
>>ditto... and both brands' names have entered local lexicon as the
>>generic label for the item.
>>
>>Aussies giggle at clothing from a True North company whose products
>>are emblazoned with "Roots Canada".
>>
>Then there are US males apparently equipped with fannies.

And then there was the left-pondian musician and actor Lou Rawls,
pronounced "Loo Rolls".

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:33:08 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <tuesuq$1tf72$2@dont-email.me>, at 10:23:36 on Fri, 10 Mar
>2023, Bob <bob@domain.com> remarked:
>>On 09.03.23 21:51, NY wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> It's actually a product for a worldwide audience, or didn't you see the
>>>>> list of European languages I gave? Then it was also aimed somewhat at an
>>>>> audience of computer geeks, and American is the language spoken there.
>>>>>
>>>>> CGA = Color Graphics Adapter; HDD = Hard Disk Drive, and so on.
>>> But CD = Compact Disc ;-)   Because Philips chose to use the UK
>>>spelling.
>>> It's interesting that US spelling has prevailed in the UK for
>>>computer-related words such as "program" and "disk", but we still use
>>>our own spelling for "colour" as in "16-million-colour graphics mode".
>>>I think "disk" is regarded as a less US-specific spelling than
>>>"program": I've seen some UK car-related information referring to
>>>"disk brakes".
>>> I resist most imposed US spellings, but I do think that "jail" is a
>>>*much* better spelling than "gaol". If "jail" is regarded as too
>>>American, I'll use "prison" in preference to "gaol" which is as absurd
>>>and archaic as "connexion", "alarum" and "shew" (connection, alarm and
>>>show) ;-)
>>
>>Fromally, jail/gaol and prison are different things. A jail is the
>>cells in a police station or court building, where you are held on
>>arrest or in remand, while a prison is where custodial sentances are
>>served. For practical reasons, if someone is remanded in custody due to
>>bail being denied, this ususally happens in a prison as they are set up
>>for long duration stays rather than the rather more short term custody
>>of a jail.
>
>Meanwhile on the South Bank there's the lockup known as:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clink
>
A custodial version of vacuum cleaner versus hoover (lower case).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_of_the_Clink
(which also hints that using "goose bumps" instead of "goose pimples"
could be a bad idea).

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:41:19 -0800, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:21:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
><rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On 09/03/2023 22:39, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:26:06 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/03/2023 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:06:01 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 16:31, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <qm3h0ipcplb7pt5h8jqpkudmt6oakmsc4p@4ax.com>, at 13:35:09 on
>>>>>>>> Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:38:50 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nor did I that deny there might be a reduction in the force of the
>>>>>>>>>> collision (although the aftermath could have been worse in a less
>>>>>>>>>> favorable location).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you still interested in being notified of your gradual switch to US
>>>>>>>>> spelling?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Like I said last time you tried to start one of your pointless arguments
>>>>>>>> about this, there's so many postings to reply to (you being one of the
>>>>>>>> worst offenders) I don't time to correct my spell-checker back to
>>>>>>>> UK-English as thoroughly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But if course, you knew what I meant, even if seeing US spelling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course I knew what you meant. But you had denied that your posts
>>>>>>> (whoever types them) increasingly used US spelling, and asked me to prove
>>>>>>> it. Now I have, you say you didn't want to know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And we know you use an ancient, long-unsupported, locally-written news
>>>>>>> reader. Surely it came with a UK spell checker, if it has one at all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It was there long before Columbus found (or thought he had found) it.
>>>>
>>>> Columbus never discovered, or arrived at America, as in the Good Old US of.
>>>>
>>> America doesn't belong to the USA despite their continuing efforts to
>>> do so. Ask (almost) anyone from the True North.
>>
>>Colunbus certainly never went near the True North!
>
>Someone loved him enuf to call the original mainland colony British
>Columbia, and the name stuck on amalgamation with Vancouver Island in
>1866.
>
Apparently the naming is not directly connected to the Genoese chap
rather than an 18th century ship the "Columbia Rediviva" via the name
of a river -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Rediviva
Ultimately the name derives from the Latin for a cock-pigeon but that
probably wouldn't sound so good.

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:25:16 -0800, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:41:09 +0100, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>
>>On 10.03.23 17:41, Nobody wrote:
>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:21:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/03/2023 22:39, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:26:06 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:06:01 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 16:31, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In message <qm3h0ipcplb7pt5h8jqpkudmt6oakmsc4p@4ax.com>, at 13:35:09 on
>>>>>>>>>> Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:38:50 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor did I that deny there might be a reduction in the force of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> collision (although the aftermath could have been worse in a less
>>>>>>>>>>>> favorable location).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you still interested in being notified of your gradual switch to US
>>>>>>>>>>> spelling?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like I said last time you tried to start one of your pointless arguments
>>>>>>>>>> about this, there's so many postings to reply to (you being one of the
>>>>>>>>>> worst offenders) I don't time to correct my spell-checker back to
>>>>>>>>>> UK-English as thoroughly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But if course, you knew what I meant, even if seeing US spelling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course I knew what you meant. But you had denied that your posts
>>>>>>>>> (whoever types them) increasingly used US spelling, and asked me to prove
>>>>>>>>> it. Now I have, you say you didn't want to know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And we know you use an ancient, long-unsupported, locally-written news
>>>>>>>>> reader. Surely it came with a UK spell checker, if it has one at all?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was there long before Columbus found (or thought he had found) it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Columbus never discovered, or arrived at America, as in the Good Old US of.
>>>>>>
>>>>> America doesn't belong to the USA despite their continuing efforts to
>>>>> do so. Ask (almost) anyone from the True North.
>>>>
>>>> Colunbus certainly never went near the True North!
>>>
>>> Someone loved him enuf to call the original mainland colony British
>>> Columbia, and the name stuck on amalgamation with Vancouver Island in
>>> 1866.
>>
>>Somewhat indirectly. British Columbia takes its name from the Columbia
>>River (to distinguish it from Oregon to the south,
>
>Yeah, and the area to the north (i.e. a large portion of present day
>Washington state) was stolen from "us".
>
The whole lot was earlier stolen from the locals.

>Queen Vicky somehow got involved in the 49th eventually becoming the
>mainland border to tidewater, resulting in us holding a tiny finger of
>WA state hostage south of Vancouver!

On 10/03/2023 21:49, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:25:16 -0800, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:41:09 +0100, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10.03.23 17:41, Nobody wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:21:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/03/2023 22:39, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:26:06 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:06:01 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 16:31, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In message <qm3h0ipcplb7pt5h8jqpkudmt6oakmsc4p@4ax.com>, at 13:35:09 on
>>>>>>>>>>> Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:38:50 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor did I that deny there might be a reduction in the force of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collision (although the aftermath could have been worse in a less
>>>>>>>>>>>>> favorable location).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you still interested in being notified of your gradual switch to US
>>>>>>>>>>>> spelling?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like I said last time you tried to start one of your pointless arguments
>>>>>>>>>>> about this, there's so many postings to reply to (you being one of the
>>>>>>>>>>> worst offenders) I don't time to correct my spell-checker back to
>>>>>>>>>>> UK-English as thoroughly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But if course, you knew what I meant, even if seeing US spelling.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course I knew what you meant. But you had denied that your posts
>>>>>>>>>> (whoever types them) increasingly used US spelling, and asked me to prove
>>>>>>>>>> it. Now I have, you say you didn't want to know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And we know you use an ancient, long-unsupported, locally-written news
>>>>>>>>>> reader. Surely it came with a UK spell checker, if it has one at all?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was there long before Columbus found (or thought he had found) it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Columbus never discovered, or arrived at America, as in the Good Old US of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> America doesn't belong to the USA despite their continuing efforts to
>>>>>> do so. Ask (almost) anyone from the True North.
>>>>>
>>>>> Colunbus certainly never went near the True North!
>>>>
>>>> Someone loved him enuf to call the original mainland colony British
>>>> Columbia, and the name stuck on amalgamation with Vancouver Island in
>>>> 1866.
>>>
>>> Somewhat indirectly. British Columbia takes its name from the Columbia
>>> River (to distinguish it from Oregon to the south,
>>
>> Yeah, and the area to the north (i.e. a large portion of present day
>> Washington state) was stolen from "us".
>>
> The whole lot was earlier stolen from the locals.
>

Who, allegedly, stole it from previous occupants according to their own
legends.

--
Graeme Wall
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:31:14 -0600, Christopher A. Lee
<c.lee@fairpoint.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:15:20 +0000, Charles Ellson
><charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 10:19:11 -0800, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:25:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <tuetm0$1tksf$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:36:08 on Fri, 10 Mar
>>>>2023, NY <me@privacy.invalid> remarked:
>>>>>"Recliner" <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:tudhog$1k0ke$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's interesting that US spelling has prevailed in the UK for
>>>>>>> computer-related words such as "program" and "disk", but we still use our
>>>>>>> own spelling for "colour" as in "16-million-colour graphics mode". I
>>>>>>>think
>>>>>>> "disk" is regarded as a less US-specific spelling than "program":
>>>>>>>I've seen
>>>>>>> some UK car-related information referring to "disk brakes".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Program and programme have now acquired different meanings here: we have
>>>>>> computer programs but TV programmes.
>>>>>
>>>>>True. And we've never adopted the American habit of referring to a
>>>>>training course as a program. Just as "college" is further education,
>>>>>after leaving school at 16 or 18, not school itself.
>>>>
>>>>The USA-ians refer to their University as "going to school", or was that
>>>>part of your rather ambiguous statement above?
>>>>
>>>>>Interesting how British and American English have diverged in lots of
>>>>>little ways like that. When I went over to see my sister who was living
>>>>>in Boston for a few years, I know about all the obvious things like
>>>>>faucet/tap, apartment/flat, closet/cupboard. But the one thing that
>>>>>caught me out was when someone asked me how long I was staying in
>>>>>America and I replied "a fortnight" which was met with blank
>>>>>incomprehension: I hadn't realised that the word "fortnight", meaning
>>>>>two weeks, was not as widely used in America.
>>>>
>>>>That's one of a fairly short list that they don't comprehend. Whereas
>>>>things like "rubber" - cf Durex=Sellotape in Australia - simply have an
>>>>unexpected connotation.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure what you're trying to cover with Durex=Sellotape in
>>>Aussie? Sellotape is the major brand of adhesive tape Down Under (as
>>>in the Ewe Kay too I think). 3M's Scotch Tape in North America
>>>ditto... and both brands' names have entered local lexicon as the
>>>generic label for the item.
>>>
>>>Aussies giggle at clothing from a True North company whose products
>>>are emblazoned with "Roots Canada".
>>>
>>Then there are US males apparently equipped with fannies.
>
>And then there was the left-pondian musician and actor Lou Rawls,
>pronounced "Loo Rolls".
>
Stacy Keach might have considered a name change if he had moved to
Scotland.

On 10/03/2023 17:25, Roland Perry wrote:
> I always chuckle when an USA-ian reaches out for a handshake and says
> "Hello, I'm Randy".

"... and I think your wife have a very cute fanny".

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 21:06:18 +0100, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:

>On 10.03.23 19:25, Nobody wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:41:09 +0100, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10.03.23 17:41, Nobody wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 08:21:46 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/03/2023 22:39, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 08:26:06 +0000, Graeme Wall
>>>>>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 21:54, Charles Ellson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 17:06:01 +0000, Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 08/03/2023 16:31, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In message <qm3h0ipcplb7pt5h8jqpkudmt6oakmsc4p@4ax.com>, at 13:35:09 on
>>>>>>>>>>> Wed, 8 Mar 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 12:38:50 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor did I that deny there might be a reduction in the force of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collision (although the aftermath could have been worse in a less
>>>>>>>>>>>>> favorable location).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you still interested in being notified of your gradual switch to US
>>>>>>>>>>>> spelling?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like I said last time you tried to start one of your pointless arguments
>>>>>>>>>>> about this, there's so many postings to reply to (you being one of the
>>>>>>>>>>> worst offenders) I don't time to correct my spell-checker back to
>>>>>>>>>>> UK-English as thoroughly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But if course, you knew what I meant, even if seeing US spelling.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course I knew what you meant. But you had denied that your posts
>>>>>>>>>> (whoever types them) increasingly used US spelling, and asked me to prove
>>>>>>>>>> it. Now I have, you say you didn't want to know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And we know you use an ancient, long-unsupported, locally-written news
>>>>>>>>>> reader. Surely it came with a UK spell checker, if it has one at all?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was there long before Columbus found (or thought he had found) it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Columbus never discovered, or arrived at America, as in the Good Old US of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> America doesn't belong to the USA despite their continuing efforts to
>>>>>> do so. Ask (almost) anyone from the True North.
>>>>>
>>>>> Colunbus certainly never went near the True North!
>>>>
>>>> Someone loved him enuf to call the original mainland colony British
>>>> Columbia, and the name stuck on amalgamation with Vancouver Island in
>>>> 1866.
>>>
>>> Somewhat indirectly. British Columbia takes its name from the Columbia
>>> River (to distinguish it from Oregon to the south,
>>
>> Yeah, and the area to the north (i.e. a large portion of present day
>> Washington state) was stolen from "us".
>>
>> Queen Vicky somehow got involved in the 49th eventually becoming the
>> mainland border to tidewater, resulting in us holding a tiny finger of
>> WA state hostage south of Vancouver!
>
>The 49th extending so far was something of an accident. When that border
>was agreed, it was to extend from Lake of the Woods (the NW corner,
>leading to the other oddity in the border) to where it met the
>Mississippi river, on the belief that it extended that far north. The
>agreement, once the fact that it didn't cross the Mississippi led to
>another awkward incident.

An initial Brit-US agreement in 1818 was for the 49th from Lake of the
Woods to the peak of the Rockies, based on watersheds.

The Hudson's Bay Company had established their trading post at Fort
Vancouver (now Vancouver, WA opposite Portland, OR), on the north bank
of the Columbia in the mid-1800's.

The two governments squabbled over the Oregon Territory as increasing
numbers of settlers trundled in the wake of Lewis and Clark, until the
tidewater treaty in 1846.

Wonkpedia mentions the early Brit wish to cut the 49th extension where
it hits the Columbia, and for the river to be the border to the
Pacific.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_boundary_dispute>

The river hits the paralleI within easy walking distance from
present-day Trail, BC where I once lived. That's ~800km (40% of its
total length) from source in BC's Rocky Mountain trench.

In message <rurm0il0hu3427qeib8nnlpqmncqh9187k@4ax.com>, at 10:19:11 on
Fri, 10 Mar 2023, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:

>>>I hadn't realised that the word "fortnight", meaning
>>>two weeks, was not as widely used in America.
>>
>>That's one of a fairly short list that they don't comprehend. Whereas
>>things like "rubber" - cf Durex=Sellotape in Australia - simply have an
>>unexpected connotation.
>
>I'm not sure what you're trying to cover with Durex=Sellotape in
>Aussie? Sellotape is the major brand of adhesive tape Down Under (as
>in the Ewe Kay too I think). 3M's Scotch Tape in North America
>ditto... and both brands' names have entered local lexicon as the
>generic label for the item.

"Proper noun

Durex

(Britain) A brand of condom.
(Australia) A brand of adhesive tape; sometimes used as the generic term
for adhesive tape."

--
Roland Perry

On 10/03/2023 23:01, NY wrote:
> On 10/03/2023 17:25, Roland Perry wrote:
>> I always chuckle when an USA-ian reaches out for a handshake and says
>> "Hello, I'm Randy".
>
> "... and I think your wife have a very cute fanny".

Apropos of absolutely nothing, I see Sharon Stone is back in the news.

--
Graeme Wall
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On 08/03/2023 17:06, Certes wrote:
> I don't think America had been invented then.

Always amusing when a Scot has a moan about a foreigner calling Britain
'England' and then go on themselves to call the USA 'America' or the
Netherlands 'Holland'.

On 11/03/2023 13:19, MB wrote:
> On 08/03/2023 17:06, Certes wrote:
>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>
>
>
> Always amusing when a Scot has a moan about a foreigner calling Britain
> 'England' and then go on themselves to call the USA 'America' or the
> Netherlands 'Holland'.
>
>
I get annoyed when people who should know better call the UK Britain.

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 14:13:04 +0000, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

>On 11/03/2023 13:19, MB wrote:
>> On 08/03/2023 17:06, Certes wrote:
>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>
>>
>>
>> Always amusing when a Scot has a moan about a foreigner calling Britain
>> 'England' and then go on themselves to call the USA 'America' or the
>> Netherlands 'Holland'.
>>
>>
>I get annoyed when people who should know better call the UK Britain.

The distinction is probably only temporary.

On 11/03/2023 14:47, Recliner wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 14:13:04 +0000, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 11/03/2023 13:19, MB wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2023 17:06, Certes wrote:
>>>> I don't think America had been invented then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Always amusing when a Scot has a moan about a foreigner calling Britain
>>> 'England' and then go on themselves to call the USA 'America' or the
>>> Netherlands 'Holland'.
>>>
>>>
>> I get annoyed when people who should know better call the UK Britain.
>
> The distinction is probably only temporary.

Hopefully!
--
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