Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> On 14/01/2022 17:11, Champ wrote:

>> It's called a theremin
>>
>> Great for making sci-fi noises.
>>
>> You can build one from a kit for about $30
>
> I bought one for SWMBO for her birthday a while ago, to go with the lap
> steel guitar, ocarina, stylophone, and didgeridoo.

I gave my missus the ol' didgeridoo as well.

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Stephen Packer <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a05897e9-302d-4782-b4a5-ad0d329de183n@googlegroups.com:

[snip]

> Looking at Wikipedia (which of course is only a view of a group of
> people and not authoritative) there's this definition which I quite
> liked: "...the style was an outgrowth of psychedelic bands who
> abandoned standard pop traditions in favour of instrumentation and
> compositional techniques more frequently associated with jazz, folk,
> or classical music. Additional elements contributed to its
> "progressive" label: lyrics were more poetic, technology was harnessed
> for new sounds, music approached the condition of "art", and the
> studio, rather than the stage, became the focus of musical activity,
> which often involved creating music for listening rather than
> dancing."
>

Sky Arts showed a documentary about Jethro Tull early this morning. I
watched part of it and have the last 75 minutes recorded as it is very
long, but quite interesting.

The bit about drifting towards folk/jazz and away from blues was given as
the root cause of the ejection of Mick Abrahams

Prior to Tull programme was a documentary about rock drumming, with its
roots in military beats and jazz patterns. It was interesting to hear from
the drummers in Deep Purple and Black Sabbath how they took bits from these
traditions to create their unique styles. Both documentaries go to show how
new music genres are fusions of what has gone before and a little
originality. Bands have to be considered in Venn diagrams not single
categories.

On 1/15/2022 2:59 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 14/01/2022 16:30, Turby wrote:
>>
>> I'll never forget sitting in the 2nd row at that Led Zep concert in
>> Berlin (tripping on acid, btw,)
>
> You seemed to have dropped a fair bit of that.
>
Not really. Maybe as many as 30 times over 5 or 6 years. The first time
was life changing, in a positive way. The last few were meh, so-so.

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 1/15/2022 6:35 AM, Stephen Packer wrote:
>
>
> Looking at Wikipedia (which of course is only a view of a group of people and not
> authoritative) there's this definition which I quite liked:

Any definition that includes the Beatles, the Beach Boys and the
Grateful Dead is a waste of time. It's akin to saying a sourdough loaf,
pita and tortillas are all bread.

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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:53:13 -0000 (UTC), Mark Olson
<olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

>Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 14/01/2022 17:11, Champ wrote:
>
>>> It's called a theremin
>>>
>>> Great for making sci-fi noises.
>>>
>>> You can build one from a kit for about $30
>>
>> I bought one for SWMBO for her birthday a while ago, to go with the lap
>> steel guitar, ocarina, stylophone, and didgeridoo.
>
>I gave my missus the ol' didgeridoo as well.

Fnarr!

--

-Pip

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/15/2022 6:35 AM, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looking at Wikipedia (which of course is only a view of a group of people and not
>> authoritative) there's this definition which I quite liked:
>
> Any definition that includes the Beatles, the Beach Boys and the
> Grateful Dead is a waste of time. It's akin to saying a sourdough loaf,
> pita and tortillas are all bread.

# Who draws the crowd and plays so loud ...

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In article <8ab3ug9kn02gob4slhcu3nkfmrpoe099t0@4ax.com>,
Champ says...
>
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 14:04:49 +0100, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
> >I do miss The Album, though. The very essence of progrockness, now I
> >come to think about it. You had to start at the beginning and listen
> >to the whole album through, preferably on your own in a darkened room,
> >otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to have an opinion on it.
>
> I agree, although not sure that the room needs to be darkened
>
> Danny Baker did a great TV programme on the album a few years ago, but
> I've searched and can't find a reference to it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qkvxr << that one?

On 15/01/2022 14:09, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:29:46 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/01/2022 17:14, Champ wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 13:27:36 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tricky fitting BJH into every prog rock top ten, when there's bands more
>>>> deserving such as Focus or Deep Purple not included.
>
>>> OK, Deep Purple (who were the very first rock band I loved) are
>>> definitely not remotely prog
>
>> http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1969
>
> You can probably find a webpage supporting any assertion you can
> imagine somewhere on the internet. Doesn't make the assertion true

Point of order.

Bands evolve.

Personally, I really like Jethro Tull, even some of the comparatively
recent stuff like jtull.com. They certainly progressed through 'prog' to
folk rock and beyond?

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On 15/01/2022 14:42, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 14:20:06 UTC, Champ wrote:
>> I wonder it the term "Mother of the House" (and the single duty that
>> falls to the longest serving MP, which is running the election of the
>> speaker) will be formally used for Harriet Harman if/when Peter
>> Bottomley retires/falls of his perch (he is in his late 70s now).
>
> Given Harman has said she's retiring at the end of this parliament,
> we'll only find out if Bottomley falls of his perch in the next couple
> of years.
>
> What I find quite staggering is that Harman's only 6 years younger
> than Bottomley. Exactly six years younger. How did she get to be
> middle aged so soon?

She's seven years older than me. How long have you fancied her for, for
heaven's sake?

On 15/01/2022 10:56, Ace wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 10:29:46 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/01/2022 17:14, Champ wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 13:27:36 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tricky fitting BJH into every prog rock top ten, when there's bands more
>>>> deserving such as Focus or Deep Purple not included.
>>>
>>> OK, Deep Purple (who were the very first rock band I loved) are
>>> definitely not remotely prog
>>
>> http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1969
>
> Well yes, this correctly describes them as "The archetypal hard rock
> band" It also tags them as "proto-prog", but really that could apply
> to almost all mid-60s rock, especially anyone using the almost
> ubiquitous Hammond organ.
>
> I think part of the problem lies with the change of word usage over
> time - there's no doubt that back then a lot of bands including DP
> were viewed as 'progressive', but I'd argue that the modern-day usage
> of the term to define a whole genre has (a long time ago) shifted a
> long way from that.
>
> (I was about to jokingly suggest that if you label DP as prog then
> you'd also have to include bands like the Doors, but I see that the
> website you linked actually does so, which just goes to show how
> different are the definitions we're using.)

There are some indicators, which are neither exclusive to prog nor
necessary for prog. Odd time signatures (as you'll also find in Foo
Fighters' "Times like these" and John Miles' "Music", not to mention
"Golden Brown" by the Stranglers - I'd mention "Tubular Bells" but I'm
not sure which side of the divide you want to place that) and operatta
form (also found in "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "Music" (again), not to
mention "Bat out of Hell" and "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" by Meat
Loaf). And concept albums aren't always prog indicators (The Who,
despite "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia", have never been regarded as prog).
But Focus, despite sticking to 3/4 and 4/4, and doing nothing prog
except fusing rock, classical, and jazz, were one of the major prog
bands in the 70s (along with Yes and Genesis, but funnily enough Pink
Floyd didn't get mentioned early one, not till DSOTM came out).

Early Purple had a lot of classical influence.

Queen's second and fourth albums especially were thoroughly prog, and
their first and third had plenty of prog components.

Marillion have odd time signatures, concept albums, and keyboards. What
more do they need to be prog? What was the last Marillion song that you
listened to?

wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote in
news:XnsAE20A7C03BE1Fwtymmmsas@144.76.35.252:

> Sky Arts showed a documentary about Jethro Tull early this morning. I
> watched part of it and have the last 75 minutes recorded as it is very
> long, but quite interesting.
>
> The bit about drifting towards folk/jazz and away from blues was given
> as the root cause of the ejection of Mick Abrahams
>
> Prior to Tull programme was a documentary about rock drumming, with
> its roots in military beats and jazz patterns. It was interesting to
> hear from the drummers in Deep Purple and Black Sabbath how they took
> bits from these traditions to create their unique styles. Both
> documentaries go to show how new music genres are fusions of what has
> gone before and a little originality. Bands have to be considered in
> Venn diagrams not single categories.

and to follow on after watching the last hour of this documentary. Towards
the end they all had a jolly good laugh over Tull winning a Grammy for the
best heavy rock album, with Crest of a Knave, edging out Metallica.

Rock classification is utterly fucked.

stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Looking at Wikipedia (which of course is only a view of a group of people and not
> authoritative) there's this definition which I quite liked:
> "...the style was an outgrowth of psychedelic bands who abandoned standard pop
> traditions in favour of instrumentation and compositional techniques more frequently
> associated with jazz, folk, or classical music. Additional elements contributed to its
> "progressive" label: lyrics were more poetic, technology was harnessed for new
> sounds, music approached the condition of "art", and the studio, rather than the
> stage, became the focus of musical activity, which often involved creating music
> for listening rather than dancing."

Thank god for Punk.

On 1/16/2022 2:59 AM, ogden wrote:
> stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Looking at Wikipedia (which of course is only a view of a group of people and not
>> authoritative) there's this definition which I quite liked:
>> "...the style was an outgrowth of psychedelic bands who abandoned standard pop
>> traditions in favour of instrumentation and compositional techniques more frequently
>> associated with jazz, folk, or classical music. Additional elements contributed to its
>> "progressive" label: lyrics were more poetic, technology was harnessed for new
>> sounds, music approached the condition of "art", and the studio, rather than the
>> stage, became the focus of musical activity, which often involved creating music
>> for listening rather than dancing."
>
> Thank god for Punk.

Right up there with hiphop.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 10:43:42 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>Rock classification is utterly fucked.

The new VoR
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 16/01/2022 10:43, wessie wrote:
> wessie <willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote in
> news:XnsAE20A7C03BE1Fwtymmmsas@144.76.35.252:
<snip>

>
> and to follow on after watching the last hour of this documentary. Towards
> the end they all had a jolly good laugh over Tull winning a Grammy for the
> best heavy rock album, with Crest of a Knave, edging out Metallica.
>
<listens>
Oh
</l>
> Rock classification is utterly fucked.
Quite

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"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
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On 16/01/2022 10:59, ogden wrote:
> stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Looking at Wikipedia (which of course is only a view of a group of people and not
>> authoritative) there's this definition which I quite liked:
>> "...the style was an outgrowth of psychedelic bands who abandoned standard pop
>> traditions in favour of instrumentation and compositional techniques more frequently
>> associated with jazz, folk, or classical music. Additional elements contributed to its
>> "progressive" label: lyrics were more poetic, technology was harnessed for new
>> sounds, music approached the condition of "art", and the studio, rather than the
>> stage, became the focus of musical activity, which often involved creating music
>> for listening rather than dancing."
>
> Thank god for Punk.

What became of Ged?

--
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"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
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On 16/01/2022 18:15, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 16/01/2022 10:59, ogden wrote:
>> stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Looking at Wikipedia (which of course is only a view of a group of
>>> people and not
>>> authoritative) there's this definition which I quite liked:
>>> "...the style was an outgrowth of psychedelic bands who abandoned
>>> standard pop
>>> traditions in favour of instrumentation and compositional techniques
>>> more frequently
>>> associated with jazz, folk, or classical music. Additional elements
>>> contributed to its
>>> "progressive" label: lyrics were more poetic, technology was
>>> harnessed for new
>>> sounds, music approached the condition of "art", and the studio,
>>> rather than the
>>> stage, became the focus of musical activity, which often involved
>>> creating music
>>> for listening rather than dancing."
>>
>> Thank god for Punk.
>
> What became of Ged?

He got married a couple of years ago.

On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 18:15:46 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 16/01/2022 10:59, ogden wrote:
> > Thank god for Punk.
> What became of Ged?

I think I'm missing something. Well, I know I'm missing a lot but
specifically the connection between Ged and punk.

I seem to remember (apropos Ged) that TOG sold him a Jawa 350 outfit
that Ged arrived to collect with his (young) son. Ged had never ridden/driven/
piloted an outfit before and somewhere not far from Sutton had decided that
a first journey from Sutton to Manchesterish (?) was more than he fancied
doing, especially with his son in the sidecar. So he did what he thought
necessary; pulled the HT cable from the plug and called the AA.

Sadly the AA man found the fault and had to be persuaded to un-find it and
drag the outfit to Ged's home.

Just had a look and sadly while I can find follow ups to TOG's post (in
October 199-fucking-9) he x-noarchived his posts so they've (mostly)
disappeared into the ether; a great shame since the fucker could write.

On 1/16/2022 2:43 AM, wessie wrote:
>
>
> Rock classification is utterly fucked.

+1

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 1/16/2022 12:30 PM, Stephen Packer wrote:
>
>
> Just had a look and sadly while I can find follow ups to TOG's post (in
> October 199-fucking-9) he x-noarchived his posts so they've (mostly)
> disappeared into the ether; a great shame since the fucker could write.

A mortal sin for UKRM.

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:30:07 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>Just had a look and sadly while I can find follow ups to TOG's post (in
>October 199-fucking-9) he x-noarchived his posts so they've (mostly)
>disappeared into the ether; a great shame since the fucker could write.

That is something of a tragedy. We who read them originally will just
have to console ourselves with the sense that "we were there"

And put it down to the same paranoia that meant he wouldn't use bank
ATMs
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Stephen Packer <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 18:15:46 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 16/01/2022 10:59, ogden wrote:

>> > Thank god for Punk.
>> What became of Ged?
>
> I think I'm missing something. Well, I know I'm missing a lot but
> specifically the connection between Ged and punk.
>
> I seem to remember (apropos Ged) that TOG sold him a Jawa 350 outfit
> that Ged arrived to collect with his (young) son. Ged had never ridden/driven/
> piloted an outfit before and somewhere not far from Sutton had decided that
> a first journey from Sutton to Manchesterish (?) was more than he fancied
> doing, especially with his son in the sidecar. So he did what he thought
> necessary; pulled the HT cable from the plug and called the AA.
>
> Sadly the AA man found the fault and had to be persuaded to un-find it and
> drag the outfit to Ged's home.

Great story. Right now, I don't remember reading about it, but of
course at the time I would have done. Too bad I can't go back and
refresh my memory now.

> Just had a look and sadly while I can find follow ups to TOG's post (in
> October 199-fucking-9) he x-noarchived his posts so they've (mostly)
> disappeared into the ether; a great shame since the fucker could write.

That (x-no-archive) is a damned shame. Ged was one of the better
storytellers here.

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 12:30:07 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 18:15:46 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 16/01/2022 10:59, ogden wrote:
>
>> > Thank god for Punk.
>> What became of Ged?
>
>I think I'm missing something.

Thank Ged.
--
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http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 16/01/2022 20:30, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 18:15:46 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 16/01/2022 10:59, ogden wrote:
>
>>> Thank god for Punk.
>> What became of Ged?
>
> I think I'm missing something. Well, I know I'm missing a lot but
> specifically the connection between Ged and punk.
>
> I seem to remember (apropos Ged) that TOG sold him a Jawa 350 outfit
> that Ged arrived to collect with his (young) son. Ged had never ridden/driven/
> piloted an outfit before and somewhere not far from Sutton had decided that
> a first journey from Sutton to Manchesterish (?) was more than he fancied
> doing, especially with his son in the sidecar. So he did what he thought
> necessary; pulled the HT cable from the plug and called the AA.
>
> Sadly the AA man found the fault and had to be persuaded to un-find it and
> drag the outfit to Ged's home.
>
> Just had a look and sadly while I can find follow ups to TOG's post (in
> October 199-fucking-9) he x-noarchived his posts so they've (mostly)
> disappeared into the ether; a great shame since the fucker could write.

Thank Ged.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:39:44 PM UTC, Turby wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 2:59 AM, ogden wrote:
> > stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Looking at Wikipedia (which of course is only a view of a group of people and not
> >> authoritative) there's this definition which I quite liked:
> >> "...the style was an outgrowth of psychedelic bands who abandoned standard pop
> >> traditions in favour of instrumentation and compositional techniques more frequently
> >> associated with jazz, folk, or classical music. Additional elements contributed to its
> >> "progressive" label: lyrics were more poetic, technology was harnessed for new
> >> sounds, music approached the condition of "art", and the studio, rather than the
> >> stage, became the focus of musical activity, which often involved creating music
> >> for listening rather than dancing."
> >
> > Thank god for Punk.
> Right up there with hiphop.

Again, such a minefield, old school hip-hop vs the chart shite classed as hip-hop these days.

Right up there with noticing Bob Vylan (no - not a typo) making the cover of Kerrang recently, that just confused me. Always assumed it was a metal rag, but to see a grime/punk outfit make the cover was a whoa moment !! (This will mean absolutely nothing to most of the clientele of Chez UKRM).