On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
>
> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC daily.
>
> Says it all really?

FAKE NEWS ALERT!

https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/which-newspapers-does-the-bbc-buy/

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On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC daily.
>
> Says it all really?

It is usually said that it only survives because of the number of copies
that Leftie institutions take.

On 11/12/2022 15:16, William Wright wrote:
> On 09/12/2022 10:13, alan_m wrote:
>> On 08/12/2022 17:02, JNugent wrote:
>>
>>> And as extra TV channels became available (principally ITV and BBC2,
>>> but also Channel 5*), potential viewers had to buy new equipment, if
>>> not a completely new set.
>>
>> Didn't most people rent from companies such as radio rentals?  It was
>> still the era of people expecting TVs to break down on a regular basis.

> Rental had about 60% market share for colour sets in the 80s.

That must have been a follow-on from earlier unreliable sets. I bought
an 18" Sony CTV in 1978 and it worked without a fail until 1996.

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On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
> On Mon 12/12/2022 12:25, Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 22:02:26 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/12/2022 16:58, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>> Much better.
>>>> No paywall at the Guardian.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just begging messages.
>>>
>>
>> and a compete newspaper.
>
>
> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC daily.
>
> Says it all really?

So Guardian articles are so full of "attitude" that you have to read an
article from a different paper to see that it is about.

See, e.g.:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/11/michael-gove-calls-new-york-times-useful-idiots-for-trojan-horse-podcast

vs.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/

or

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/

....if you don't have a subscription.

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In message <tn7e00$27u7m$4@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> writes
>On 11/12/2022 15:16, William Wright wrote:
>> On 09/12/2022 10:13, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2022 17:02, JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>>> And as extra TV channels became available (principally ITV and
>>>>BBC2, but also Channel 5*), potential viewers had to buy new
>>>>equipment, if not a completely new set.
>>>
>>> Didn't most people rent from companies such as radio rentals?  It
>>>was still the era of people expecting TVs to break down on a regular
>>>basis.
>
>> Rental had about 60% market share for colour sets in the 80s.
>
>That must have been a follow-on from earlier unreliable sets. I bought
>an 18" Sony CTV in 1978 and it worked without a fail until 1996.
>
In circa 1976 I bought a Sony 18" colour TV, on the basis Sony sets had
a fantastic reputation for quality and reliability. It broke down three
times in the first three months (the first time after three weeks, when
a 1A fuse feeding the CRT heater went O/C). It took the dealer at least
two weeks to fix it).

As for the other two times, I managed to fix it myself (as I had access
to the full workshop manual, and the faults were pretty obvious).

I later learned that it might have been one of the first to be assembled
in Wales, and not in Japan - and it was said that those-in-the-know
sometimes specified that what they were buying should be 100% Japanese.
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On 12/12/2022 13:55, MB wrote:
>
> On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
>>
>> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
>> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC
>> daily.
>>
>> Says it all really?
>
>
> It is usually said that it only survives because of the number of copies
> that Leftie institutions take.

FAKE NEWS REPEATED!

See link in previous post for debunking.

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On 12/12/2022 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
>> On Mon 12/12/2022 12:25, Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 22:02:26 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/12/2022 16:58, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>> Much better.
>>>>> No paywall at the Guardian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just begging messages.
>>>>
>>>
>>> and a compete newspaper.
>>
>>
>> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
>> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC
>> daily.
>>
>> Says it all really?
>
> So Guardian articles are so full of "attitude" that you have to read an
> article from a different paper to see that it is about.
>
> See, e.g.:
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/11/michael-gove-calls-new-york-times-useful-idiots-for-trojan-horse-podcast
>
>
> vs.
>
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>
>
> or
>
> https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>
>
> ....if you don't have a subscription.

The Guardian report just gives the facts, whereas the Telegraph's
repeats the original fraudulent claims about Islamist extremists trying
to take over schools.

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On 12/12/2022 16:14, Java Jive wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 14:39, Max Demian wrote:

>> So Guardian articles are so full of "attitude" that you have to read
>> an article from a different paper to see that it is about.
>>
>> See, e.g.:
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/11/michael-gove-calls-new-york-times-useful-idiots-for-trojan-horse-podcast
>>
>> vs.
>>
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>
>> or
>>
>> https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>
>> ....if you don't have a subscription.
>
> The Guardian report just gives the facts, whereas the Telegraph's
> repeats the original fraudulent claims about Islamist extremists trying
> to take over schools.

Sez the Guardian.

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On 12/12/2022 18:13, Max Demian wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 16:14, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 12/12/2022 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
>
>>> So Guardian articles are so full of "attitude" that you have to read
>>> an article from a different paper to see that it is about.
>>>
>>> See, e.g.:
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/11/michael-gove-calls-new-york-times-useful-idiots-for-trojan-horse-podcast
>>>
>>>
>>> vs.
>>>
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>>
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>>
>>>
>>> ....if you don't have a subscription.
>>
>> The Guardian report just gives the facts, whereas the Telegraph's
>> repeats the original fraudulent claims about Islamist extremists
>> trying to take over schools.
>
> Sez the Guardian.

AFAIAA, says most if not all other reputable newspapers. See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse_scandal

"The latter found that there is "no evidence to suggest that there is a
problem with governance generally" nor any "evidence of terrorism,
radicalisation or violent extremism in the schools of concern in
Birmingham", but said that there was "evidence that there are a number
of people, associated with each other and in positions of influence in
schools and governing bodies, who espouse, sympathise with or fail to
challenge extremist views", and that there had been "co-ordinated,
deliberate and sustained" attempts "by a number of associated
individuals, to introduce an intolerant and aggressive Islamic ethos"
into "a few schools in Birmingham".[3][18] The report found that senior
council officials and elected members were apparently aware of these
issues, but dealt with them on a case-by-case basis rather than making
"any serious attempt to see if there was a pattern", though it is not
clear whether this was due to "community cohesion", an "issue of
education management", or appeasement.[3][4] Birmingham City Council
imposed a temporary freeze on the appointment of school governors after
probes into Operation Trojan Horse were announced.[19] After the Trojan
Horse affair, this[clarification needed] was replaced by a new duty to
promote "fundamental British values".[20]"

So I don't think anyone's denying that there was a relatively small
group of individuals in Birmingham in public education governance whose
activities were certainly questionable, but the claim that there was a
full-blown conspiracy that had completely taken over so many schools was
found to be untrue, and, as above, the local authority were dealing with
any such problems as and when they arose. Inevitably however, The Daily
Telegraph majors on the right-wing propaganda claims rather than simply
reporting the much less interesting and much less alarming truth.

Over recent years, The Daily Telegraph has become lamentable, a
newspaper in name alone. Their fact checking seems to be almost
non-existent, as the pandemic showed their so-called science reporting
is completely unscientific, and they are now little more than just an
echo-chamber for right-wing propaganda, no matter how daft or amoral.
For example, AFAIAA, it's the only mainstream newspaper still pushing
climate denialism, some time after even The Daily Fail has abandoned it.

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On 12/12/2022 19:03, Java Jive wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 18:13, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 12/12/2022 16:14, Java Jive wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2022 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
>>
>>>> So Guardian articles are so full of "attitude" that you have to read
>>>> an article from a different paper to see that it is about.
>>>>
>>>> See, e.g.:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/11/michael-gove-calls-new-york-times-useful-idiots-for-trojan-horse-podcast
>>>>
>>>> vs.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>>>
>>>> ....if you don't have a subscription.
>>>
>>> The Guardian report just gives the facts, whereas the Telegraph's
>>> repeats the original fraudulent claims about Islamist extremists
>>> trying to take over schools.
>>
>> Sez the Guardian.
>
> AFAIAA, says most if not all other reputable newspapers.  See also:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse_scandal

Actually, what I'm really saying is it's hard to tell what the issue is
from the Guardian article. In common with other G. articles, it assumes
that all their readers know what the issues are and have been following
it, rather than summarising it.

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On 09/12/2022 10:13 am, alan_m wrote:

> On 08/12/2022 17:02, JNugent wrote:
>
>> And as extra TV channels became available (principally ITV and BBC2,
>> but also Channel 5*), potential viewers had to buy new equipment, if
>> not a completely new set.
>
> Didn't most people rent from companies such as radio rentals?

I don't know whether it was a majority. But please regard "buy" as
including "rent". Similar financial rules applied to both.

> It was
> still the era of people expecting TVs to break down on a regular basis.

I don't know whether you have reason to know, but TV rental companies
always spoke internally in terms of "sales" whether the set was going to
be rented or sold outright.

On 09/12/2022 12:50 pm, Scott wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:07:40 +0000, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 09/12/2022 10:13, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2022 17:02, JNugent wrote:
>
>>>> And as extra TV channels became available (principally ITV and BBC2,
>>>> but also Channel 5*), potential viewers had to buy new equipment, if
>>>> not a completely new set.
>
>>> Didn't most people rent from companies such as radio rentals?  It was
>>> still the era of people expecting TVs to break down on a regular basis.
>
>> True, but they still needed to buy a UHF (or as they were called in the
>> 60s, a BBC 2) aerial
>
> I thought the rental company would install this as part of the rental
> agreement in the same way that Sky install the dish. I doubt if there
> are many old enough to remember though.

Rental of aerials must have been rare.

I rented a colour set from 1978 to 1992, but owned my own aerial.

Just imagine a TV service engineer sent out to get up onto the roof and
repossess the aerial.

[A relative worked at a rental company. Aerials were not rented,
according to that person.]

On 11/12/2022 03:23 pm, William Wright wrote:
> On 09/12/2022 12:50, Scott wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:07:40 +0000, Mark Carver
>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/12/2022 10:13, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 08/12/2022 17:02, JNugent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And as extra TV channels became available (principally ITV and BBC2,
>>>>> but also Channel 5*), potential viewers had to buy new equipment, if
>>>>> not a completely new set.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't most people rent from companies such as radio rentals?  It was
>>>> still the era of people expecting TVs to break down on a regular basis.
>>>>
>>> True, but they still needed to buy a UHF (or as they were called in the
>>> 60s, a BBC 2) aerial
>>
>> I thought the rental company would install this as part of the rental
>> agreement in the same way that Sky install the dish.  I doubt if there
>> are many old enough to remember though.
>>
> Most rental companies offered a fixed price aerial installation.

That accords with what a relative (who worked in TV rentals) tells me.

On 12/12/2022 12:25 pm, Martin wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Dec 2022 22:02:26 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 11/12/2022 16:58, Brian Gregory wrote:

>>> Much better.
>>> No paywall at the Guardian.

>> Just begging messages.

> and a compete newspaper.

Have you ever found the weather forecast page?

On 12/12/2022 12:47 pm, Java Jive wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
>>
>> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
>> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC
>> daily.
>>
>> Says it all really?
>
> FAKE NEWS ALERT!
>
> https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/which-newspapers-does-the-bbc-buy/

In how many papers, other than The Guardian, does the BBC advertise BBC
jobs?

On 12/12/2022 02:31 pm, Max Demian wrote:
> On 11/12/2022 15:16, William Wright wrote:
>> On 09/12/2022 10:13, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2022 17:02, JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>>> And as extra TV channels became available (principally ITV and BBC2,
>>>> but also Channel 5*), potential viewers had to buy new equipment, if
>>>> not a completely new set.
>>>
>>> Didn't most people rent from companies such as radio rentals?  It was
>>> still the era of people expecting TVs to break down on a regular basis.
>
>> Rental had about 60% market share for colour sets in the 80s.
>
> That must have been a follow-on from earlier unreliable sets. I bought
> an 18" Sony CTV in 1978 and it worked without a fail until 1996.

I never had a colour set until 1979 (rented), but my observational
experience before that was that they were decidedly flakey.

My first bought colour set arrived in 1982. It worked well. I can't
remember when we got rid of it. Perhaps it went into a bedroom.

On 12/12/2022 04:11 pm, Java Jive wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 13:55, MB wrote:
>>
>> On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
>>>
>>> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
>>> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC
>>> daily.
>>>
>>> Says it all really?
>>
>>
>> It is usually said that it only survives because of the number of
>> copies that Leftie institutions take.
>
> FAKE NEWS REPEATED!
>
> See link in previous post for debunking.

How about lefty advertising (especially for jobs at local authorities
and the BBC)?

JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 12:47 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
>>>
>>> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
>>> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC
>>> daily.
>>>
>>> Says it all really?
>>
>> FAKE NEWS ALERT!
>>
>> https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/which-newspapers-does-the-bbc-buy/
>
> In how many papers, other than The Guardian, does the BBC advertise BBC
> jobs?
>

The BBC used to advertise both in The Guardian and Telegraph media jobs
sections equally. Then the Telegraph closed their media jobs section.
Winding forwards to the modern day web world, there is not a single BBC job
currently being advertised on The Guardian’s job website. But if you go to
the BBC’s own jobs website there’s loads of jobs on offer.

On 13/12/2022 11:59, Max Demian wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 19:03, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 12/12/2022 18:13, Max Demian wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2022 16:14, Java Jive wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2022 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So Guardian articles are so full of "attitude" that you have to
>>>>> read an article from a different paper to see that it is about.
>>>>>
>>>>> See, e.g.:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/11/michael-gove-calls-new-york-times-useful-idiots-for-trojan-horse-podcast
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> vs.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>> https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ....if you don't have a subscription.
>>>>
>>>> The Guardian report just gives the facts, whereas the Telegraph's
>>>> repeats the original fraudulent claims about Islamist extremists
>>>> trying to take over schools.
>>>
>>> Sez the Guardian.
>>
>> AFAIAA, says most if not all other reputable newspapers.  See also:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse_scandal
>
> Actually, what I'm really saying is it's hard to tell what the issue is
> from the Guardian article. In common with other G. articles, it assumes
> that all their readers know what the issues are and have been following
> it, rather than summarising it.

Shifting goalposts noted.

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Just noticed I'd forgotten to reply to this ...

On 08/12/2022 17:09, Mark Carver wrote:
>
> On 08/12/2022 16:32, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 08/12/2022 15:55, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2022-06-09/around-4000-homes-without-internet-after-builders-cut-through-fibre-cables
>>
>> Machinery photo looks a little like a posthole borer used on farms,
>> but AFAIAA they don't usually have toothed edges to the auger, and of
>> course would normally be vertical, not horizontal. Some sort of duct
>> tunnelling device perhaps?  Anyone know?
>>
> The description of 'builders' in the article is a little misleading.
> It's a two year job to totally rebuild a major roundabout, and it's been
> total chaos (with still another 15 months to go)
>
> I think they were attempting to stick in piles for a new gantry when the
> accident happened.

Drilling holes for piles would explain the superficial resemblance to a
posthole borer. Presumably the machine must have been photographed
resting on its side after being withdrawn because of becoming clogged
with cabling, probably so that it could be disentangled.

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On 13/12/2022 12:42 pm, Tweed wrote:
> JNugent <jenningsandco@mail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/12/2022 12:47 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2022 12:42, Woody wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Its not called the Grauniad for nothing you know AND it is the only
>>>> newspaper - nearly 3000 copies of it - that is delivered to the BBC
>>>> daily.
>>>>
>>>> Says it all really?
>>>
>>> FAKE NEWS ALERT!
>>>
>>> https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/which-newspapers-does-the-bbc-buy/
>>
>> In how many papers, other than The Guardian, does the BBC advertise BBC
>> jobs?
>>
>
> The BBC used to advertise both in The Guardian and Telegraph media jobs
> sections equally.

When was that?

I was at university until 1981 and it was a commonplace in the library
that the only place to find BBC ads was the Graun.

> Then the Telegraph closed their media jobs section.
> Winding forwards to the modern day web world, there is not a single BBC job
> currently being advertised on The Guardian’s job website. But if you go to
> the BBC’s own jobs website there’s loads of jobs on offer.

I dare say that the recent new broom approach may have had an effect.
OTOH, we don't know what's in the print version.

On 13/12/2022 12:25, JNugent wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 02:31 pm, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 11/12/2022 15:16, William Wright wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2022 10:13, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 08/12/2022 17:02, JNugent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And as extra TV channels became available (principally ITV and
>>>>> BBC2, but also Channel 5*), potential viewers had to buy new
>>>>> equipment, if not a completely new set.
>>>>
>>>> Didn't most people rent from companies such as radio rentals?  It
>>>> was still the era of people expecting TVs to break down on a regular
>>>> basis.
>>
>>> Rental had about 60% market share for colour sets in the 80s.
>>
>> That must have been a follow-on from earlier unreliable sets. I bought
>> an 18" Sony CTV in 1978 and it worked without a fail until 1996.
>
> I never had a colour set until 1979 (rented), but my observational
> experience before that was that they were decidedly flakey.
>
> My first bought colour set arrived in 1982. It worked well. I can't
> remember when we got rid of it. Perhaps it went into a bedroom.

This one was available in the UK in the early 70s and was very highly
thought of:
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co8066774/sony-trinitron-colour-television-1969-1970-television-receiver

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On 13/12/2022 13:36, Java Jive wrote:
> On 13/12/2022 11:59, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 12/12/2022 19:03, Java Jive wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2022 18:13, Max Demian wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2022 16:14, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>> On 12/12/2022 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> So Guardian articles are so full of "attitude" that you have to
>>>>>> read an article from a different paper to see that it is about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See, e.g.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/11/michael-gove-calls-new-york-times-useful-idiots-for-trojan-horse-podcast
>>>>>>
>>>>>> vs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/11/gove-accuses-new-york-times-trying-rewrite-history-trojan-horse/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ....if you don't have a subscription.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Guardian report just gives the facts, whereas the Telegraph's
>>>>> repeats the original fraudulent claims about Islamist extremists
>>>>> trying to take over schools.
>>>>
>>>> Sez the Guardian.
>>>
>>> AFAIAA, says most if not all other reputable newspapers.  See also:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse_scandal
>>
>> Actually, what I'm really saying is it's hard to tell what the issue
>> is from the Guardian article. In common with other G. articles, it
>> assumes that all their readers know what the issues are and have been
>> following it, rather than summarising it.
>
> Shifting goalposts noted.

I'm restoring the "goalposts" to their original position of "Some
Guardian articles are so full of 'attitude' that you have to read an
article from a different paper to see that it is about."

I don't have an opinion on the actual issue.

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On 13/12/2022 12:19, JNugent wrote:
> Rental of aerials must have been rare.

I never came across it, although some aerials were boughtg on HP.

Bill

On 12/12/2022 14:31, Max Demian wrote:
> That must have been a follow-on from earlier unreliable sets. I bought
> an 18" Sony CTV in 1978 and it worked without a fail until 1996.

No, Sonys were remarkably reliable at the time. There were still plenty
of unreliable sets around in the late 70s and early 80s.

Bill