https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/

I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
or even no broadband at all.

On 07/12/2022 22:28, SH wrote:
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>
>
> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
> going for those who have  boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
> or even no broadband at all.

Also:

BBC preparing to go online-only over next decade, says director general
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/07/bbc-will-go-online-only-by-2030s-says-director-general

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"SH" <i.love@spam.com> wrote in message news:tmr430$l33f$1@dont-email.me...
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>
> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
> going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
> or even no broadband at all.

I wonder how the BBC will continue to fund itself when terrestrial
TV is eventually switched off.

Currently their forced funding model relies solely on the entirely false
claim that 'Freeview doesn't support encryption, as would be required
for subscription-based services'.

I doubt if they'd continue to provide scheduled linear broadcast
service purely for the Freesat platform, as the audience would likely be
too small to make it economically viable.

But looking at it from another angle, assuming broadcast radio
continues in the VHF bands, much of the infrastructure required for
Freeview broadcasts would still have to be maintained in any event
(since the two often share the same masts, network infrastructure
etc), so the cost saving of a full switch off is likely to be quite
small.

Op 7-12-2022 om 23:56 schreef Java Jive:
> On 07/12/2022 22:28, SH wrote:
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>>
>>
>> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still
>> be going for those who have  boradband that is not viable for TV
>> streaming or even no broadband at all.
>
> Also:
>
> BBC preparing to go online-only over next decade, says director general
> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/07/bbc-will-go-online-only-by-2030s-says-director-general
>
>

Commercial TV and Radio would love that !

Some rich broadcast man thinks that everybody can do the same as he can.

Investigations resulted in the fact that about one million people in The
Netherlands never has been on internet, that's about 4% of all Dutch people.
And a lot of the people, who has been on internet does not know anything
about it.

Rink

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:56:27 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

>On 07/12/2022 22:28, SH wrote:
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>>
>>
>> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
>> going for those who have  boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
>> or even no broadband at all.
>
>Also:
>
>BBC preparing to go online-only over next decade, says director general
>https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/07/bbc-will-go-online-only-by-2030s-says-director-general

They can do it tomorrow if they like, as far as I'm concerned. I
haven't watched Freeview for more than a year now.

Curiously, no particular reason is given for wanting to switch it off.
"Imagine a world that is internet-only" - but why? He doesn't say. He
just wants to switch it off. The fundamental reason isn't hard to
guess though, as the internet already has the mechanisms that would be
necessary for a paywall whereas traditional broacasting hasn't. As
long as a paywall is implemented *instead of* and not *as well as* the
licence fee, and we don't have to pay the BBC to watch other
broadcasters' programmes, I'd be quite happy with that. It works for
the likes of Amazon and Netflix, so I don't see why it couldn't work
for the BBC too, though they'd have to learn very quickly how to run a
business and provide what their viewers want.

Of course the entire population isn't equipped for internet TV yet,
but then the entire population wasn't equipped for broadcasting itself
when that started. It spread gradually over many years, and an
internet based BBC could do the same.

Rod.

"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:tk53ph9kobp3r3fdnuiipptvholivcdk3l@4ax.com...
> Curiously, no particular reason is given for wanting to switch it off.
> "Imagine a world that is internet-only" - but why? He doesn't say. He
> just wants to switch it off. The fundamental reason isn't hard to
> guess though, as the internet already has the mechanisms that would be
> necessary for a paywall whereas traditional broacasting hasn't. As
> long as a paywall is implemented *instead of* and not *as well as* the
> licence fee, and we don't have to pay the BBC to watch other
> broadcasters' programmes, I'd be quite happy with that. It works for
> the likes of Amazon and Netflix, so I don't see why it couldn't work
> for the BBC too, though they'd have to learn very quickly how to run a
> business and provide what their viewers want.

I suspect that copy-protection is one of the issues. A lot depends on the
charging model. If you can buy specific programmes that you want to watch,
and the cost of watching only those programmes is less than the annual
licence fee, then it will be to the punters' benefit. But if you still have
to take out an annual "licence" that covers all programmes provided by a
specific broadcaster, then it could end up more expensive if you need
several accounts to cover the various different channels that you want to
watch.

> Of course the entire population isn't equipped for internet TV yet,
> but then the entire population wasn't equipped for broadcasting itself
> when that started. It spread gradually over many years, and an
> internet based BBC could do the same.

I wonder how long it will take before enough of the population had fast
enough broadband and has an internet-capable TV, before the government
decide that terrestrial and satellite broadcasting can be stopped.

I would really miss the ability to make my own copies of programmes so I can
play them (eg using VLC) as I want - eg faster than normal but with the
ability to go back and play bits again and to single-step through
"interesting" bits - eg "I wonder where that mansion is that they've used as
a location - grab a frame and post it on a forum to ask people".

On 08/12/2022 08:13, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:56:27 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/12/2022 22:28, SH wrote:
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>>>
>>>
>>> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
>>> going for those who have  boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
>>> or even no broadband at all.
>>
>> Also:
>>
>> BBC preparing to go online-only over next decade, says director general
>> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/07/bbc-will-go-online-only-by-2030s-says-director-general
>
> They can do it tomorrow if they like, as far as I'm concerned. I
> haven't watched Freeview for more than a year now.

Then you are in a fairly small minority. Just because you have no
interest in mainstream TV reception doesn't mean that everybody else has
no interest. From the Telegraph article:

"Freeview, a terrestrial joint venture between the BBC, ITV, Channel 4
and Sky that is used by 18 million people, has a guaranteed spectrum
until 2034 but TV channels are ultimately expected to shift to
internet-only broadcasting over time.

The BBC's iPlayer currently attracts 12 million log-ins per week and
accounts for 16pc of all viewing of the corporation's programmes."

For a start, that's not an obvious like-for-like comparison. The first
paragraph refers to 18 million *people*. The second to 12 million
*log-ins per week*. I would assume, hopefully accurately, that means 18
million people watch terrestrial TV every day. Probably less than 3
million (16%) watch only via the internet.

The article goes on"“TikTok is now bigger than the BBC in video for
16-24s in the UK,” Mr Davie said.". So why did he move BBC3 from
internet to broadcast, and is going to move BBC4 to internet-only? BBC4
is hardly 16 - 24 territory, is it?

> Curiously, no particular reason is given for wanting to switch it off.
> "Imagine a world that is internet-only" - but why? He doesn't say. He
> just wants to switch it off. The fundamental reason isn't hard to
> guess though, as the internet already has the mechanisms that would be
> necessary for a paywall whereas traditional broacasting hasn't. As
> long as a paywall is implemented *instead of* and not *as well as* the
> licence fee, and we don't have to pay the BBC to watch other
> broadcasters' programmes, I'd be quite happy with that. It works for
> the likes of Amazon and Netflix, so I don't see why it couldn't work
> for the BBC too, though they'd have to learn very quickly how to run a
> business and provide what their viewers want.

I think you're forgetting here that the vast majority of the population
(84%?) watch broadcast TV, and it currently costs them £159 a year to do
so. What do streaming services cost, and, more to the point what will
the BBC's streaming service cost if it goes internet only? Even if it
stays around £159 a year, then to that you'd have to add an ISP's fee
for providing the broadband to get to that streaming service - no doubt
at least doubling the cost to watch TV.

And, as noted "Mr Davie admitted that, by 2030, as many as 2 million
homes in the UK would still not have a fixed-line broadband connection."
Even if you have a broadband connection, would it be fast enough for
several people to watch different programmes or play online games at the
same time? I have a reasonable FTTC connection and can get around 30MB
download most of the time, but would I need FTTP for more
streaming/gaming etc? How long before everyone gets FTTP?

> Of course the entire population isn't equipped for internet TV yet,
> but then the entire population wasn't equipped for broadcasting itself
> when that started. It spread gradually over many years, and an
> internet based BBC could do the same.

I do wonder if one of the reasons behind Davie's proposed move to
internet-based services is my suspicion that "once a Marketer always a
Marketer". Davie's background is in marketing, and what better way to
market TV programmes than by knowing what your customer watches? At
present, OTA broadcasting gives no information as to what people are
watching (other than BARB). From 5 years ago at
<https://rts.org.uk/article/tracking-tv-end-overnight-sensation>:
"Sky UK’s director of programmes, Zai Bennett, recently issued a clarion
call for the industry to change the way it reports and focuses on
viewing figures.

In a blog, he claimed that broadcasters were failing to count millions
of viewers and should better reflect the way people are now watching TV
– with more viewing online, on mobiles and on-­demand, more “binge” and
catch-up viewing, and some programme episodes released online before
they’re broadcast or as box sets.

Bennett warned that, by not reporting all viewing figures, TV
broadcasters were “underselling themselves” – in marked contrast to
online players such as Netflix and Amazon Prime."

Am I being too cynical to assume that once everyone can only watch
online by logging in, their viewing habits are there to know, analyse,
and perhaps sell-on. And as it will be a requirement for registering to
include a valid email address, I think targeted advertising will soon
follow.

--

Jeff

On 08/12/2022 08:13, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:56:27 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/12/2022 22:28, SH wrote:
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>>>
>>>
>>> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
>>> going for those who have  boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
>>> or even no broadband at all.
>>
>> Also:
>>
>> BBC preparing to go online-only over next decade, says director general
>> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/07/bbc-will-go-online-only-by-2030s-says-director-general
>
> They can do it tomorrow if they like, as far as I'm concerned. I
> haven't watched Freeview for more than a year now.
>
> Curiously, no particular reason is given for wanting to switch it off.
> "Imagine a world that is internet-only" - but why? He doesn't say. He
> just wants to switch it off. The fundamental reason isn't hard to
> guess though, as the internet already has the mechanisms that would be
> necessary for a paywall whereas traditional broacasting hasn't. As
> long as a paywall is implemented *instead of* and not *as well as* the
> licence fee, and we don't have to pay the BBC to watch other
> broadcasters' programmes, I'd be quite happy with that. It works for
> the likes of Amazon and Netflix, so I don't see why it couldn't work
> for the BBC too, though they'd have to learn very quickly how to run a
> business and provide what their viewers want.
>
> Of course the entire population isn't equipped for internet TV yet,
> but then the entire population wasn't equipped for broadcasting itself
> when that started. It spread gradually over many years, and an
> internet based BBC could do the same.
>
> Rod.

How do you record streaming to watch later? I've just started watching
Blue Planet 2 which I recorded ages ago. How long will the streamed
programmes be available for?

Phil M

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:28:47 +0000, SH <i.love@spam.com> wrote:

>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>
>I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
>going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
>or even no broadband at all.

Philosophically speaking, is this just a an exercise in 'back to the
future' to the days of cable television but substituting fibre optic
cable for Rediffusion?

On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 09:34:26 -0000, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:tk53ph9kobp3r3fdnuiipptvholivcdk3l@4ax.com...
>> Curiously, no particular reason is given for wanting to switch it off.
>> "Imagine a world that is internet-only" - but why? He doesn't say. He
>> just wants to switch it off. The fundamental reason isn't hard to
>> guess though, as the internet already has the mechanisms that would be
>> necessary for a paywall whereas traditional broacasting hasn't. As
>> long as a paywall is implemented *instead of* and not *as well as* the
>> licence fee, and we don't have to pay the BBC to watch other
>> broadcasters' programmes, I'd be quite happy with that. It works for
>> the likes of Amazon and Netflix, so I don't see why it couldn't work
>> for the BBC too, though they'd have to learn very quickly how to run a
>> business and provide what their viewers want.
>
>I suspect that copy-protection is one of the issues. A lot depends on the
>charging model. If you can buy specific programmes that you want to watch,
>and the cost of watching only those programmes is less than the annual
>licence fee, then it will be to the punters' benefit. But if you still have
>to take out an annual "licence" that covers all programmes provided by a
>specific broadcaster, then it could end up more expensive if you need
>several accounts to cover the various different channels that you want to
>watch.

How would this work for 'the news'? Would you need to pay for each
news broadcast you watch, or could you have an annual subscription?
Would there be different subscriptions for Six O'Clock and Ten O'Clock
news? It would be infuriating to have to watch the news at the same
time each day for cost control reasons :-) Would it be possible to
have a reduced rate by excluding the sport :-)

On 08/12/2022 09:46, Jeff Layman wrote:
> Then you are in a fairly small minority. Just because you have no
> interest in mainstream TV reception doesn't mean that everybody else has
> no interest. From the Telegraph article:

I remember long ago, well before wide availability of fast broadband,
there were posting and writing that "everyone" watched TV online when it
was very obviously untrue.

I use iPlayer a few times a week when BBC Scotland opt out of network
programmes for some local rubbish but otherwise it is quite rare for me
to do so, partly because it is so much easier and quicker to just select
an off air channel.

On 08/12/2022 09:48, Phil_M wrote:
>
> How do you record streaming to watch later?  I've just started
> watching Blue Planet 2 which I recorded ages ago.  How long will the
> streamed programmes be available for?
 For as long as the broadcaster allows you access. It's 'their' show,
not 'yours'.

On 08/12/2022 10:27, MB wrote:

> I use iPlayer a few times a week when BBC Scotland opt out of network
> programmes for some local rubbish but otherwise it is quite rare for me
> to do so, partly because it is so much easier and quicker to just select
> an off air channel.

Exactly. I can't remember the last time I watched iPlayer live
(streaming). However if I miss a broadcast programme I may download it
via Get iPlayer and then watch that copy instead of the one I forgot to
record from broadcast. One of the main reasons for making my own copy is
that I can play it through a better player (VLC) than the one that the
broadcaster supplies on their catchup site: too many of them overlay a
huge advertising graphic over the picture if you pause it, which makes
it useless for reading and transcribing the credits for submission to
IMDB. Before now I've pointed my phone at the screen as it is playing,
so I can single-step through the crude picture-of-a-screen recording to
read the credits. OK. transcribing credits for IMDB is a fairly niche
market ;-)

On 08/12/2022 10:37, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 08/12/2022 09:48, Phil_M wrote:
>>
>> How do you record streaming to watch later?  I've just started
>> watching Blue Planet 2 which I recorded ages ago.  How long will the
>> streamed programmes be available for?
>  For as long as the broadcaster allows you access. It's 'their' show,
> not 'yours'.

There is need for a permanent archive of programmes which can never be
deleted - at a price. It gives you the same flexibility as if you buy a
DVD: you can watch the programme as many times as you like after that,
safe in the knowledge that it will never be deleted, either because the
viewing time has expired or for editorial/legal reasons.

On 08/12/2022 10:43, NY wrote:
> On 08/12/2022 10:37, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 08/12/2022 09:48, Phil_M wrote:
>>>
>>> How do you record streaming to watch later?  I've just started
>>> watching Blue Planet 2 which I recorded ages ago.  How long will the
>>> streamed programmes be available for?
>>   For as long as the broadcaster allows you access. It's 'their'
>> show, not 'yours'.
>
> There is need for a permanent archive of programmes which can never be
> deleted - at a price. It gives you the same flexibility as if you buy
> a DVD: you can watch the programme as many times as you like after
> that, safe in the knowledge that it will never be deleted, either
> because the viewing time has expired or for editorial/legal reasons.

I don't understand this obsession with wanting to keep TV recordings,
I've got a hard drive still full of stuff I haven't watched once yet.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 10:27:40 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 08/12/2022 09:46, Jeff Layman wrote:
>> Then you are in a fairly small minority. Just because you have no
>> interest in mainstream TV reception doesn't mean that everybody else has
>> no interest. From the Telegraph article:
>
>
>I remember long ago, well before wide availability of fast broadband,
>there were posting and writing that "everyone" watched TV online when it
>was very obviously untrue.
>
>I use iPlayer a few times a week when BBC Scotland opt out of network
>programmes for some local rubbish but otherwise it is quite rare for me
>to do so, partly because it is so much easier and quicker to just select
>an off air channel.
>
I've got the iPlayer configured to BBC South West for that reason :-)

When the BBC numpty at the DCMS select committee said Spotlight was
the most successful 6.30 news programme, did he mean it was more
successful than Reporting Scotland?

On Wednesday, 7 December 2022 at 23:05:33 UTC, Alexander wrote:
> "SH" <i.l...@spam.com> wrote in message news:tmr430$l33f$1...@dont-email.me...
> > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
> >
> > I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
> > going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
> > or even no broadband at all.
> I wonder how the BBC will continue to fund itself when terrestrial
> TV is eventually switched off.
>
> Currently their forced funding model relies solely on the entirely false
> claim that 'Freeview doesn't support encryption, as would be required
> for subscription-based services'.

Yes it did, was called ITV / ON digital (death bed renaming to spare ITV blushes) and was quickly and comprehensively hacked.

>
> I doubt if they'd continue to provide scheduled linear broadcast
> service purely for the Freesat platform, as the audience would likely be
> too small to make it economically viable.
>
> But looking at it from another angle, assuming broadcast radio
> continues in the VHF bands, much of the infrastructure required for
> Freeview broadcasts would still have to be maintained in any event
> (since the two often share the same masts, network infrastructure
> etc), so the cost saving of a full switch off is likely to be quite
> small.

Indeed, but as has been seen already the liberated bandwidth can be sold off to MNO's for £,£££,£££,£££.

On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 08:13:16 UTC, Roderick Stewart wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:56:27 +0000, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> >On 07/12/2022 22:28, SH wrote:
> >> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
> >>
> >>
> >> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
> >> going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
> >> or even no broadband at all.
> >
> >Also:
> >
> >BBC preparing to go online-only over next decade, says director general
> >https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/07/bbc-will-go-online-only-by-2030s-says-director-general
> They can do it tomorrow if they like, as far as I'm concerned. I
> haven't watched Freeview for more than a year now.
>
> Curiously, no particular reason is given for wanting to switch it off.
> "Imagine a world that is internet-only" - but why? He doesn't say. He
> just wants to switch it off. The fundamental reason isn't hard to
> guess though, as the internet already has the mechanisms that would be
> necessary for a paywall whereas traditional broacasting hasn't. As
> long as a paywall is implemented *instead of* and not *as well as* the
> licence fee, and we don't have to pay the BBC to watch other
> broadcasters' programmes, I'd be quite happy with that. It works for
> the likes of Amazon and Netflix, so I don't see why it couldn't work
> for the BBC too, though they'd have to learn very quickly how to run a
> business and provide what their viewers want.
>
> Of course the entire population isn't equipped for internet TV yet,
> but then the entire population wasn't equipped for broadcasting itself
> when that started. It spread gradually over many years, and an
> internet based BBC could do the same.

Maybe not, but I would reckon a majority now have some equipment that can watch video over the internet - PC, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, Smart TV...

>
> Rod.

On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 10:05:07 UTC, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:28:47 +0000, SH <i.l...@spam.com> wrote:
>
> >https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
> >
> >I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
> >going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
> >or even no broadband at all.
> Philosophically speaking, is this just a an exercise in 'back to the
> future' to the days of cable television but substituting fibre optic
> cable for Rediffusion?

Not exactly - cable TV only carried TV, internet can carry just about anything.

No reader should forget that (supposedly) by the end of 2025 <everyone>
should have FTTP so that BT can remove all of the copper. If you have
FTTP - even if initially it is only for phone purposes - it is still the
way in to feed anything and everything into your property. It will
obviously also be fast enough to get TV for several users at the same
time, even in HD!!

On that basis 2030 might be a viable proposition - oh, sorry, I forgot -
it is BT that are carrying out this changeover (in the main.) Should we
revise that to 2040 maybe?

On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 03:07:11 -0800 (PST), "R. Mark Clayton"
<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 08:13:16 UTC, Roderick Stewart wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:56:27 +0000, Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> >On 07/12/2022 22:28, SH wrote:
>> >> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
>> >> going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
>> >> or even no broadband at all.
>> >
>> >Also:
>> >
>> >BBC preparing to go online-only over next decade, says director general
>> >https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/07/bbc-will-go-online-only-by-2030s-says-director-general
>> They can do it tomorrow if they like, as far as I'm concerned. I
>> haven't watched Freeview for more than a year now.
>>
>> Curiously, no particular reason is given for wanting to switch it off.
>> "Imagine a world that is internet-only" - but why? He doesn't say. He
>> just wants to switch it off. The fundamental reason isn't hard to
>> guess though, as the internet already has the mechanisms that would be
>> necessary for a paywall whereas traditional broacasting hasn't. As
>> long as a paywall is implemented *instead of* and not *as well as* the
>> licence fee, and we don't have to pay the BBC to watch other
>> broadcasters' programmes, I'd be quite happy with that. It works for
>> the likes of Amazon and Netflix, so I don't see why it couldn't work
>> for the BBC too, though they'd have to learn very quickly how to run a
>> business and provide what their viewers want.
>>
>> Of course the entire population isn't equipped for internet TV yet,
>> but then the entire population wasn't equipped for broadcasting itself
>> when that started. It spread gradually over many years, and an
>> internet based BBC could do the same.
>
>Maybe not, but I would reckon a majority now have some equipment that can watch video over the internet - PC, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, Smart TV...
>
A prospect that I suspect would not impress anyone who has invested in
a large-screen television.

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 23:05:28 -0000, "Alexander" <none@nowhere.fr>
wrote:

>
>"SH" <i.love@spam.com> wrote in message news:tmr430$l33f$1@dont-email.me...
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>>
>> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
>> going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
>> or even no broadband at all.
>
>I wonder how the BBC will continue to fund itself when terrestrial
>TV is eventually switched off.
>
>Currently their forced funding model relies solely on the entirely false
>claim that 'Freeview doesn't support encryption, as would be required
>for subscription-based services'.
>
>I doubt if they'd continue to provide scheduled linear broadcast
>service purely for the Freesat platform, as the audience would likely be
>too small to make it economically viable.
>
>But looking at it from another angle, assuming broadcast radio
>continues in the VHF bands, much of the infrastructure required for
>Freeview broadcasts would still have to be maintained in any event
>(since the two often share the same masts, network infrastructure
>etc), so the cost saving of a full switch off is likely to be quite
>small.

I thought the electricity cost was pretty substantial.

On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 03:08:36 -0800 (PST), "R. Mark Clayton"
<notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 10:05:07 UTC, Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 22:28:47 +0000, SH <i.l...@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/07/bbc-must-ready-end-terrestrial-tv-broadcasts-decade-says-tim/
>> >
>> >I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be
>> >going for those who have boradband that is not viable for TV streaming
>> >or even no broadband at all.
>> Philosophically speaking, is this just a an exercise in 'back to the
>> future' to the days of cable television but substituting fibre optic
>> cable for Rediffusion?
>
>Not exactly - cable TV only carried TV, internet can carry just about anything.

I meant from the perspective of the users without IT equipment, which
seems to be the most likely group to be discontented.

On 08/12/2022 10:45, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 08/12/2022 10:43, NY wrote:
>> On 08/12/2022 10:37, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2022 09:48, Phil_M wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How do you record streaming to watch later?  I've just started
>>>> watching Blue Planet 2 which I recorded ages ago.  How long will the
>>>> streamed programmes be available for?
>>>   For as long as the broadcaster allows you access. It's 'their'
>>> show, not 'yours'.
>>
>> There is need for a permanent archive of programmes which can never be
>> deleted - at a price. It gives you the same flexibility as if you buy
>> a DVD: you can watch the programme as many times as you like after
>> that, safe in the knowledge that it will never be deleted, either
>> because the viewing time has expired or for editorial/legal reasons.
>
> I don't understand this obsession with wanting to keep TV recordings,
> I've got a hard drive still full of stuff I haven't watched once yet.

LOL!

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SH wrote:

> I assume this applies to Freeview only so I assume Freesat will still be going

"internet only" implies no DVB-S as well as no DVB-T?