On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 11:48:42 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> BBC iplayer HD streams are every bit as good as 'broadcast' HD

Really? Just to test, the first thing that popped up was:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001gcmx/top-gear-series-33-episode-5

and the best resolution that has is 1280x720.
My PVR has 1920x1080 of course (and no logo burnt in the corner).

That fails my test of 'every bit as good' on two counts.

On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 17:36:59 +0000, William Wright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

> On 13/12/2022 12:19, JNugent wrote:
>> Rental of aerials must have been rare.
>
> I never came across it, although some aerials were boughtg on HP.

What if you wanted vertical polarisation? How did you buy it then?

"Paul Ratcliffe" <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote in message
news:slrntq7a8p.d88.abuse@news.pr.network...
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 11:48:42 +0000, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> BBC iplayer HD streams are every bit as good as 'broadcast' HD
>
> Really? Just to test, the first thing that popped up was:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001gcmx/top-gear-series-33-episode-5
>
> and the best resolution that has is 1280x720.
> My PVR has 1920x1080 of course (and no logo burnt in the corner).

I'm not sure whether the iPlayer web site offers 1920x1080 yet, but the
Get-iPlayer app can access recordings at that rate, although it is
unsupported/experimental by GiP. You set the quality to "fullhd" rather than
"hd", IIRC. I've done it. It downloads in a different way: I think lower
resolutions get the video and audio interleaved in a single pass, whereas
1920x1080 downloads all the video followed by all the audio, and then
interleaves them at the downloading PC - or something like that.

I wish GiP would use numerical resolutions rather than qualitative
adjectives, and offer these as options in a drop-down for the control:

- 960x540
- 1280x720
- 1920x1080

rather than

- good
- better
- best aka hd
- fullhd

Or whatever the current mapping of words to numbers is.

It's a shame also that higher resolutions are only available as 50 fps
rather than 25 fps: some PCs can manage to decode and display 1920x1080x25
but stutter on 1920x1080x50. It's not just a question of how the file is
interleaved (in the sense of odd/even lines - 25p versus 50i), because the
50 fps file is about twice as big and for many recordings you can
single-step through them and see pairs of identical frames: 25 frames, but
each one duplicated. That's using VLC or VideoRedo.

Why is it that iPlayer supplies its subtitles as a separate .srt text file
rather than embedding them into the downloaded .ts or .mp4 file? If you want
the subtitles, it is a plain having to keep a separate .srt file alongside
recordings and to rename both to the same root filename.

Do the .ts and .mp4 file formats allow for storing of metadata such as
episode title, plot summary within the file. I know GiP can download this
information as a separate .xml file. If ts/mp4 allow for metafile data, I
wonder why no recording app that I have used (NextPVR, TVHeadend,
proprietary apps that come with DVB-USB tuners) embed it; makes me think
that this is not technically possible, which is a shame: that was one of the
advantages of the old .dvr_ms and .wtv formats that Windows Media Centre
produced.

On 22/12/2022 00:47, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 11:48:42 +0000, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> BBC iplayer HD streams are every bit as good as 'broadcast' HD
> Really? Just to test, the first thing that popped up was:
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001gcmx/top-gear-series-33-episode-5
>
> and the best resolution that has is 1280x720.
> My PVR has 1920x1080 of course (and no logo burnt in the corner).
>
> That fails my test of 'every bit as good' on two counts.
It can be device/platform dependent. Looks like 1080i50 (for most
contemporary stuff) using the embedded iplayer ap on SkyQ for instance

On 20/12/2022 16:34, Scott wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:29:41 +0000, Vir Campestris
> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 08/12/2022 15:20, Scott wrote:
>>> Almost certainly. All pensioners have high speed broadband into the
>>> home, especially those on the BT Basic package.
>>
>> Until recently the fastest speed in our village was 3MBPS. Others are
>> even less lucky.
>>
> Are you suffering from irony bypass?

The old lines were copper, now we have glass. No iron involved :P

There are a lot of people who not merely don't have broadband, but can't
have it.

Andy

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:47:54 +0000, Vir Campestris
<vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 20/12/2022 16:34, Scott wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:29:41 +0000, Vir Campestris
>> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/12/2022 15:20, Scott wrote:
>>>> Almost certainly. All pensioners have high speed broadband into the
>>>> home, especially those on the BT Basic package.
>>>
>>> Until recently the fastest speed in our village was 3MBPS. Others are
>>> even less lucky.
>>>
>> Are you suffering from irony bypass?
>
>The old lines were copper, now we have glass. No iron involved :P
>
>There are a lot of people who not merely don't have broadband, but can't
>have it.
>
Yes indeed. This is why when Charles stated 'The large screnn tv
almost certainly has an internet connection, though', I responded
(ironically) with the words, 'Almost certainly. All pensioners have
high speed broadband into the home, especially those on the BT Basic
package'. I specifically referenced BT Basic to provide an example of
a customer without an internet connection.

In summary, Charles said that large screen TVs almost certainly have
intenet connection and I pointed out that some homes do not. I take
it we can now agree on this?

On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 01:25:31 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 17:36:59 +0000, William Wright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> On 13/12/2022 12:19, JNugent wrote:
>>> Rental of aerials must have been rare.
>>
>> I never came across it, although some aerials were boughtg on HP.
>
>What if you wanted vertical polarisation? How did you buy it then?

Cash sales only.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:47:54 +0000, Vir Campestris
> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 20/12/2022 16:34, Scott wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:29:41 +0000, Vir Campestris
>>> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/12/2022 15:20, Scott wrote:
>>>>> Almost certainly. All pensioners have high speed broadband into the
>>>>> home, especially those on the BT Basic package.
>>>>
>>>> Until recently the fastest speed in our village was 3MBPS. Others are
>>>> even less lucky.
>>>>
>>> Are you suffering from irony bypass?
>>
>> The old lines were copper, now we have glass. No iron involved :P
>>
>> There are a lot of people who not merely don't have broadband, but can't
>> have it.
>>
> Yes indeed. This is why when Charles stated 'The large screnn tv
> almost certainly has an internet connection, though', I responded
> (ironically) with the words, 'Almost certainly. All pensioners have
> high speed broadband into the home, especially those on the BT Basic
> package'. I specifically referenced BT Basic to provide an example of
> a customer without an internet connection.
>
> In summary, Charles said that large screen TVs almost certainly have
> intenet connection and I pointed out that some homes do not. I take
> it we can now agree on this?
>

This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade? Probably
had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took over from gas
lights.

On 24/12/2022 11:47, Vir Campestris wrote:
> The old lines were copper, now we have glass. No iron involved

Steel was used as the strength member in old style phone cables, and can
be used as the strength member in fibre ones.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:47:54 +0000, Vir Campestris
>> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/12/2022 16:34, Scott wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:29:41 +0000, Vir Campestris
>>>> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 08/12/2022 15:20, Scott wrote:
>>>>>> Almost certainly. All pensioners have high speed broadband into the
>>>>>> home, especially those on the BT Basic package.
>>>>>
>>>>> Until recently the fastest speed in our village was 3MBPS. Others are
>>>>> even less lucky.
>>>>>
>>>> Are you suffering from irony bypass?
>>>
>>> The old lines were copper, now we have glass. No iron involved :P
>>>
>>> There are a lot of people who not merely don't have broadband, but can't
>>> have it.
>>>
>> Yes indeed. This is why when Charles stated 'The large screnn tv
>> almost certainly has an internet connection, though', I responded
>> (ironically) with the words, 'Almost certainly. All pensioners have
>> high speed broadband into the home, especially those on the BT Basic
>> package'. I specifically referenced BT Basic to provide an example of
>> a customer without an internet connection.
>>
>> In summary, Charles said that large screen TVs almost certainly have
>> intenet connection and I pointed out that some homes do not. I take
>> it we can now agree on this?
>>
>
>This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade? Probably
>had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took over from gas
>lights.

The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
Rediffusion radios, also wired.

I can remember when I was young the cable TV company had a much higher
aerial than domestic installations able to pick up UTV as well as STV.
When football match was not shown in Scotland, people used to go to
someone with cable (with their McEwans Export obviously) to watch the
game there.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:47:54 +0000, Vir Campestris
>>> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/12/2022 16:34, Scott wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:29:41 +0000, Vir Campestris
>>>>> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/12/2022 15:20, Scott wrote:
>>>>>>> Almost certainly. All pensioners have high speed broadband into the
>>>>>>> home, especially those on the BT Basic package.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until recently the fastest speed in our village was 3MBPS. Others are
>>>>>> even less lucky.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are you suffering from irony bypass?
>>>>
>>>> The old lines were copper, now we have glass. No iron involved :P
>>>>
>>>> There are a lot of people who not merely don't have broadband, but can't
>>>> have it.
>>>>
>>> Yes indeed. This is why when Charles stated 'The large screnn tv
>>> almost certainly has an internet connection, though', I responded
>>> (ironically) with the words, 'Almost certainly. All pensioners have
>>> high speed broadband into the home, especially those on the BT Basic
>>> package'. I specifically referenced BT Basic to provide an example of
>>> a customer without an internet connection.
>>>
>>> In summary, Charles said that large screen TVs almost certainly have
>>> intenet connection and I pointed out that some homes do not. I take
>>> it we can now agree on this?
>>>
>>
>> This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade? Probably
>> had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took over from gas
>> lights.
>
> The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
> when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
> Rediffusion radios, also wired.
>
> I can remember when I was young the cable TV company had a much higher
> aerial than domestic installations able to pick up UTV as well as STV.
> When football match was not shown in Scotland, people used to go to
> someone with cable (with their McEwans Export obviously) to watch the
> game there.
>

It’s already happening. There’s a big new housing estate just behind me and
there’s not a TV aerial to be seen. I know that signal strength isn’t
adequate for indoor antennas, so I’m assuming they’ve all been offered
something from BT or VM (each house has fibre from both Open Reach. And VM)
that they couldn’t refuse.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 15:08:33 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:47:54 +0000, Vir Campestris
>>>> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/12/2022 16:34, Scott wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:29:41 +0000, Vir Campestris
>>>>>> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/12/2022 15:20, Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>> Almost certainly. All pensioners have high speed broadband into the
>>>>>>>> home, especially those on the BT Basic package.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until recently the fastest speed in our village was 3MBPS. Others are
>>>>>>> even less lucky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you suffering from irony bypass?
>>>>>
>>>>> The old lines were copper, now we have glass. No iron involved :P
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a lot of people who not merely don't have broadband, but can't
>>>>> have it.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes indeed. This is why when Charles stated 'The large screnn tv
>>>> almost certainly has an internet connection, though', I responded
>>>> (ironically) with the words, 'Almost certainly. All pensioners have
>>>> high speed broadband into the home, especially those on the BT Basic
>>>> package'. I specifically referenced BT Basic to provide an example of
>>>> a customer without an internet connection.
>>>>
>>>> In summary, Charles said that large screen TVs almost certainly have
>>>> intenet connection and I pointed out that some homes do not. I take
>>>> it we can now agree on this?
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade? Probably
>>> had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took over from gas
>>> lights.
>>
>> The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
>> when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
>> Rediffusion radios, also wired.
>>
>> I can remember when I was young the cable TV company had a much higher
>> aerial than domestic installations able to pick up UTV as well as STV.
>> When football match was not shown in Scotland, people used to go to
>> someone with cable (with their McEwans Export obviously) to watch the
>> game there.
>>
>
>It’s already happening. There’s a big new housing estate just behind me and
>there’s not a TV aerial to be seen. I know that signal strength isn’t
>adequate for indoor antennas, so I’m assuming they’ve all been offered
>something from BT or VM (each house has fibre from both Open Reach. And VM)
>that they couldn’t refuse.

This could be right. I am going to my brother's tomorrow, who has
recently moved into a new house. I will check the situation there.

On 24/12/2022 12:37, Scott wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:47:54 +0000, Vir Campestris
> <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Yes indeed. This is why when Charles stated 'The large screnn tv
> almost certainly has an internet connection, though', I responded
> (ironically) with the words, 'Almost certainly. All pensioners have
> high speed broadband into the home, especially those on the BT Basic
> package'. I specifically referenced BT Basic to provide an example of
> a customer without an internet connection.

It was rather a sweeping statement. My TV is 32" which maybe still
counts as "large screen", and it used to have an Ethernet connection to
my router, but since I moved house it's out of range unless I run a long
wire around the skirting board, which I am not inclined to do, as,
though it calls itself "smart" it has become less and less smart with
time as is common.

--
Max Demian

On 24/12/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>> This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade? Probably
>> had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took over from gas
>> lights.
>
> The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
> when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
> Rediffusion radios, also wired.

I suppose a Rediffusion radio is just a speaker. My brother had a
Rediffusion TV with a switch on the window frame to select the channel.
You could hear the sound from the TV speaker without switching the TV
on. I don't remember which radio channels it had in addition to the
three TV ones.

--
Max Demian

On 24/12/2022 18:17, Max Demian wrote:
> On 24/12/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade?
>>> Probably
>>> had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took over
>>> from gas
>>> lights.
>>
>> The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
>> when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
>> Rediffusion radios, also wired.
>
> I suppose a Rediffusion radio is just a speaker. My brother had a
> Rediffusion TV with a switch on the window frame to select the
> channel. You could hear the sound from the TV speaker without
> switching the TV on. I don't remember which radio channels it had in
> addition to the three TV ones.
>
I can remember some BBC local radio stations in the 1970s, saying they
were on, for instance, 'Rediffusion Channel-H'

Of course 1955 to 1968 Rediffusion was also the weekday London ITV
company (given a shotgun marriage with ABC, and turned into Thames)
Their original building is still there, on the corner of Kingsway and
Aldwich, bang opposite Bvsh House (where another broadcaster once lived !)

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 18:50:55 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 24/12/2022 18:17, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 24/12/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade?
>>>> Probably
>>>> had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took over
>>>> from gas
>>>> lights.
>>>
>>> The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
>>> when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
>>> Rediffusion radios, also wired.
>>
>> I suppose a Rediffusion radio is just a speaker. My brother had a
>> Rediffusion TV with a switch on the window frame to select the
>> channel. You could hear the sound from the TV speaker without
>> switching the TV on. I don't remember which radio channels it had in
>> addition to the three TV ones.
>>
>I can remember some BBC local radio stations in the 1970s, saying they
>were on, for instance, 'Rediffusion Channel-H'
>
>Of course 1955 to 1968 Rediffusion was also the weekday London ITV
>company (given a shotgun marriage with ABC, and turned into Thames)
>Their original building is still there, on the corner of Kingsway and
>Aldwich, bang opposite Bvsh House (where another broadcaster once lived !)

This is true - first as Associated Rediffusion (with Associated
Newspapers) then as Rediffusion London when Associated Newspapers
pulled out.

I believe they continued to provide the cabled radio system in the
Falkland Islands long after it was discontinued in the UK.

In article <to7fe0$2b52p$2@dont-email.me>,
Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 24/12/2022 12:37, Scott wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:47:54 +0000, Vir Campestris
> > <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Yes indeed. This is why when Charles stated 'The large screnn tv
> > almost certainly has an internet connection, though', I responded
> > (ironically) with the words, 'Almost certainly. All pensioners have
> > high speed broadband into the home, especially those on the BT Basic
> > package'. I specifically referenced BT Basic to provide an example of
> > a customer without an internet connection.

> It was rather a sweeping statement. My TV is 32" which maybe still
> counts as "large screen", and it used to have an Ethernet connection to
> my router, but since I moved house it's out of range unless I run a long
> wire around the skirting board, which I am not inclined to do, as,
> though it calls itself "smart" it has become less and less smart with
> time as is common.

or, you could use a WiFi system and receive a wireless feed to the receiver
behind the set. Saves draping a cable across the fireplace.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article <to7fn3$2b52p$3@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
<max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 24/12/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> > <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade?
> >> Probably had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took
> >> over from gas lights.
> >
> > The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
> > when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
> > Rediffusion radios, also wired.

> I suppose a Rediffusion radio is just a speaker. My brother had a
> Rediffusion TV with a switch on the window frame to select the channel.
> You could hear the sound from the TV speaker without switching the TV
> on. I don't remember which radio channels it had in addition to the
> three TV ones.

yes, the sound was just audio fed down the relevant pair. There was a 13
channel version installed at TV Centre. At some point - about 50 years ago
- I was responsible for its maintenance.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 24/12/2022 18:50, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 24/12/2022 18:17, Max Demian wrote:
>> On 24/12/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade?
>>>> Probably
>>>> had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took over
>>>> from gas
>>>> lights.
>>>
>>> The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
>>> when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
>>> Rediffusion radios, also wired.
>>
>> I suppose a Rediffusion radio is just a speaker. My brother had a
>> Rediffusion TV with a switch on the window frame to select the
>> channel. You could hear the sound from the TV speaker without
>> switching the TV on. I don't remember which radio channels it had in
>> addition to the three TV ones.
>>
> I can remember some BBC local radio stations in the 1970s, saying they
> were on, for instance, 'Rediffusion Channel-H'
>
> Of course 1955 to 1968 Rediffusion was also the weekday London ITV
> company (given a shotgun marriage with ABC, and turned into Thames)
> Their original building is still there, on the corner of Kingsway and
> Aldwich, bang opposite Bvsh House (where another broadcaster once lived !)

My Parents lived in Thamesmead from the early 70s for almost 30 years.
There was a Rediffusion system there as nobody was allowed to have
aerials. There is some Rediffusion info here:
<http://www.rediffusion.info/London/>
The Thamesmead system is partially described in the paragraph just
before the section "4. Oxon. and Berks."
Picture of the channel selector here:
<https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/rediffusion-thumbnail.jpg>

I think the early TVs were connected directly. Later TVs were standard
UHF, and they required a modulator* to convert the Rediffusion signal to
UHF . I think that the system ended sometime in the 80s, and aerials
were allowed. There were problems, however, as there were quite a few
tower blocks and ghosting was not uncommon.

See also second post here:
<https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/1280968/greenwich-cable-tv>
(NB the link in that post is of no use).

*I posted in more detail to this NG in March 2020 about the Rediffusion
modulator box (marked 1N109A), which I'd opened. See:
<http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cr3vmui%24ke%241%40dont-email.me%3E>

--

Jeff

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 20:20:11 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

>In article <to7fn3$2b52p$3@dont-email.me>, Max Demian
><max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On 24/12/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
>> > On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> > <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a decade?
>> >> Probably had the same arguments when that new fangled electricity took
>> >> over from gas lights.
>> >
>> > The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old days
>> > when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
>> > Rediffusion radios, also wired.
>
>> I suppose a Rediffusion radio is just a speaker. My brother had a
>> Rediffusion TV with a switch on the window frame to select the channel.
>> You could hear the sound from the TV speaker without switching the TV
>> on. I don't remember which radio channels it had in addition to the
>> three TV ones.
>
>yes, the sound was just audio fed down the relevant pair. There was a 13
>channel version installed at TV Centre. At some point - about 50 years ago
>- I was responsible for its maintenance.

Merry Christmas to everyone.

At my primary school we had a 'radio' in each classroom that was
fitted with a small four (?) pin plug. I assume this was linked to a
VHF receiver since at that time as I recall the schools programmes
were on VHF and the ordinary service on medium wave. Maybe they could
also play out a tape to the whole school. There must have been a
volume control but I don't remember if you could change channels.

I seem to remember similary systems in hotels with just on/off, volume
and channels 1, 2 and 3.

Mark Carver wrote:

> On 24/12/2022 18:17, Max Demian wrote:
> > On 24/12/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
> > > On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> >><usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a
> > > > decade? Probably had the same arguments when that new fangled
> > > > electricity took over from gas lights.
> > >
> > > The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old
> > > days when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
> > > Rediffusion radios, also wired.
> >
> > I suppose a Rediffusion radio is just a speaker. My brother had a
> > Rediffusion TV with a switch on the window frame to select the
> > channel. You could hear the sound from the TV speaker without
> > switching the TV on. I don't remember which radio channels it had
> > in addition to the three TV ones.
> >
> I can remember some BBC local radio stations in the 1970s, saying
> they were on, for instance, 'Rediffusion Channel-H'
>
> Of course 1955 to 1968 Rediffusion was also the weekday London ITV
> company (given a shotgun marriage with ABC, and turned into Thames)
> Their original building is still there, on the corner of Kingsway and
> Aldwich, bang opposite Bvsh House (where another broadcaster once
> lived !)

Was also the home of ITN and the TV Times.

http://www.snglinks.com/pub/pics/kingsway.jpg

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On 25 Dec 2022 08:43:23 GMT, "Ashley Booth" <removetab@snglinks.com>
wrote:

>Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> On 24/12/2022 18:17, Max Demian wrote:
>> > On 24/12/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
>> > > On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:42:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> >><usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > This is now. Where will we be with broadband uptake in a
>> > > > decade? Probably had the same arguments when that new fangled
>> > > > electricity took over from gas lights.
>> > >
>> > > The way I see it is that we could be returning to the very old
>> > > days when televisons were on cable and (before my time) there were
>> > > Rediffusion radios, also wired.
>> >
>> > I suppose a Rediffusion radio is just a speaker. My brother had a
>> > Rediffusion TV with a switch on the window frame to select the
>> > channel. You could hear the sound from the TV speaker without
>> > switching the TV on. I don't remember which radio channels it had
>> > in addition to the three TV ones.
>> >
>> I can remember some BBC local radio stations in the 1970s, saying
>> they were on, for instance, 'Rediffusion Channel-H'
>>
>> Of course 1955 to 1968 Rediffusion was also the weekday London ITV
>> company (given a shotgun marriage with ABC, and turned into Thames)
>> Their original building is still there, on the corner of Kingsway and
>> Aldwich, bang opposite Bvsh House (where another broadcaster once
>> lived !)
>
>Was also the home of ITN and the TV Times.
>
>http://www.snglinks.com/pub/pics/kingsway.jpg

And the Rediffusion clock?
https://625.uk.com/tv_logos/svg/rediffusion_clock.asp

Merry Christmas everyone.

On 25/12/2022 08:41, Scott wrote:
> I seem to remember similary systems in hotels with just on/off, volume
> and channels 1, 2 and 3.

Along with the infamous baby alarm which allowed someone to listen to
the room from reception!

On Sun, 25 Dec 2022 09:01:40 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 25/12/2022 08:41, Scott wrote:
>> I seem to remember similary systems in hotels with just on/off, volume
>> and channels 1, 2 and 3.
>
>Along with the infamous baby alarm which allowed someone to listen to
>the room from reception!

I liked the story of when CB radio was introduced. Some couple
decided it would be a good idea to use a pair of walkie-talkies as a
baby alarm. However, there was so much cross-talk that when the time
came the first word to be uttered by the baby was ... not what was
unexpected of a baby, to put it politely.

On 25/12/2022 09:23, Scott wrote:
> I liked the story of when CB radio was introduced. Some couple
> decided it would be a good idea to use a pair of walkie-talkies as a
> baby alarm. However, there was so much cross-talk that when the time
> came the first word to be uttered by the baby was ... not what was
> unexpected of a baby, to put it politely.

Someone told me he had one of the baby alarms and found that a neighbour
also had one and they coule hear some veryinteresting activity in the
neighbour's bedroom. They very diplomatically warned him about it.