Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 11:21, Recliner wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:29, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:28, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet), and I
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for the train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet received an
>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the Network
>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout the day and
>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has this evening
>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation, which is
>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment it may
>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that the train
>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast Railways,
>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate the tour in
>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you, then you
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to receive
>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming days to
>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR, RTC and
>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the
>>>>>>> costs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure many of the
>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect some will already be in their hotel without access to their
>>>>>> email and perhaps unaware.  I hope there are not too many
>>>>>> disappointments at the departure points tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sort of people who can afford these trips won't have access to email
>>>>> from their hotels? Seriously?
>>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I went on a day trip with Statesman recently. The demographic was very much
>>> in the retired and long retired area. They all had smartphones. The idea
>>> that the elderly can’t handle smartphones is fast becoming obsolete.
>>>
>>
>> I still come across older folks on tours with neither home email nor
>> smartphones, and occasionally not even a basic mobile phone at all. Some
>> use(d) email at work, but never felt the need for it at home. They're
>> definitely a small, shrinking minority, but they do still exist. So it's
>> quite possible that a few such people were booked on this trip.
>>
>
> Could be equally likely that some had already retired to bed before the
> cancellation was announced.
>
>

Sorry, but there has to be a bit of personal responsibility here. It was
extremely difficult to miss what was happening yesterday, either by looking
out of the window or watching the news. You’d be foolhardy to set off this
morning without checking up first, whether you were at home or in a hotel.

In message <OhA2eWuASOEiFABc@perry.uk>, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.co.uk> writes
>In message <suqnml$b22$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:27:01 on Sat, 19 Feb
>2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>
>>Too much hassle. It's a painful process setting up google email
>>addresses.
>>
>>I like to provide each organisation I have a dealing with a unique
>>email address.
>
>And how often has that identified a data breach?

I do the same, and I've had it happen several times.

Adrian
--
To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.

On 19/02/2022 13:24, Tweed wrote:
> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 12:37, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <suqnml$b22$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:27:01 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>>
>>>>>  What's wrong with having a sacrificial gmail address for companies
>>>>> to  use? Not difficult to have a second or third address on your
>>>>> phone and  abandon it if/when it gets abused.
>>>>>
>>>> Too much hassle.  It's a painful process setting up google email
>>>> addresses.
>>>>
>>>> I like to provide each organisation I have a dealing with a unique
>>>> email address.
>>>
>>> And how often has that identified a data breach?
>>
>> More than you might imagine. The usual procedure is that when the
>> company decides that I'm unlikely to purchase from them again they sell
>> my address on.
>>
>
> You must be very unlucky. I’ve a work email address that’s been public for
> 25 years and a private one that sits in full view on a website. Neither
> attract much in the way of unwanted spam. Most of the spam is correctly
> identified and dumped by the providers of the email services.
>

You are very lucky indeed.

Most of my spam is a result of data breaches.

In message <suqqlu$upl$2@dont-email.me>, at 13:17:50 on Sat, 19 Feb
2022, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:

>> I still come across older folks on tours with neither home email nor
>> smartphones, and occasionally not even a basic mobile phone at all. Some
>> use(d) email at work, but never felt the need for it at home. They're
>> definitely a small, shrinking minority, but they do still exist. So it's
>> quite possible that a few such people were booked on this trip.
>
>Could be equally likely that some had already retired to bed before the
>cancellation was announced.

So check the email when they get up, and if necessary, go back to bed!
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:43:39 +0000, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:

>On 19/02/2022 13:24, Tweed wrote:
>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 12:37, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <suqnml$b22$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:27:01 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>  What's wrong with having a sacrificial gmail address for companies
>>>>>> to  use? Not difficult to have a second or third address on your
>>>>>> phone and  abandon it if/when it gets abused.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Too much hassle.  It's a painful process setting up google email
>>>>> addresses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like to provide each organisation I have a dealing with a unique
>>>>> email address.
>>>>
>>>> And how often has that identified a data breach?
>>>
>>> More than you might imagine. The usual procedure is that when the
>>> company decides that I'm unlikely to purchase from them again they sell
>>> my address on.
>>>
>>
>> You must be very unlucky. I’ve a work email address that’s been public for
>> 25 years and a private one that sits in full view on a website. Neither
>> attract much in the way of unwanted spam. Most of the spam is correctly
>> identified and dumped by the providers of the email services.
>>
>
>You are very lucky indeed.
>
>Most of my spam is a result of data breaches.

Is the selling on of a mailing list a data breach?

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:14:29 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/02/2022 11:27, Recliner wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <suqh0e$447$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:32:48 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>> 2022, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:27, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet), and
>>>>>>>>> I know
>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked
>>>>>>>>> by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for th
>>>>>>>>> e train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet received an
>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the Network
>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout the day and
>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>> possible
>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has this evening
>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation, which is
>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment it may
>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that the train
>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast Railways,
>>>>>> Network
>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate the tour in
>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>> for this
>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you, then
>>>>>> you will
>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to receive
>>>>>> a full
>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming days to
>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR, RTC and
>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the costs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure many of the
>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Act of God invoked presumably.
>>>>
>>>> Two other railtours / charters have managed to run today (19 February),
>>>> albeit both running rather late:
>>>>
>>>> Reading to Lincoln:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U68002/2022-02-19/detailed
>>>
>>> +137 at Banbury!
>>>
>>>> and Telford Central to Appleby:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U91449/2022-02-19/detaile
>>>> d#allox_id=0
>>>
>>> Are either of them kettles?
>>
>> No, as you can see from RTT, they're diesel-hauled.
>>
>According to reports elsewhere, a Class 68 to Lincoln, and a pair of 47s
>to Appleby and back.

Yes, the 47s were identified. I wonder why the 68 was pathed as only a 75mph loco? It's the most powerful diesel loco
in service in the UK, and can easily pull a train like that at 100mph.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:17:50 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/02/2022 11:21, Recliner wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:29, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:28, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet), and I
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for the train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet received an
>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the Network
>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout the day and
>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has this evening
>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation, which is
>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment it may
>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that the train
>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast Railways,
>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate the tour in
>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you, then you
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to receive
>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming days to
>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR, RTC and
>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the
>>>>>>> costs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure many of the
>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect some will already be in their hotel without access to their
>>>>>> email and perhaps unaware.  I hope there are not too many
>>>>>> disappointments at the departure points tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sort of people who can afford these trips won't have access to email
>>>>> from their hotels? Seriously?
>>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I went on a day trip with Statesman recently. The demographic was very much
>>> in the retired and long retired area. They all had smartphones. The idea
>>> that the elderly can’t handle smartphones is fast becoming obsolete.
>>>
>>
>> I still come across older folks on tours with neither home email nor
>> smartphones, and occasionally not even a basic mobile phone at all. Some
>> use(d) email at work, but never felt the need for it at home. They're
>> definitely a small, shrinking minority, but they do still exist. So it's
>> quite possible that a few such people were booked on this trip.
>>
>
>Could be equally likely that some had already retired to bed before the
>cancellation was announced.

The cancellation was at 20:30, so people are unlikely to have gone to bed that early.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>
>>The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>commercial organisations.
>
>Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>luddite in the past.

I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the eccentric elderly who don't use their phones like most of
the population.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>
>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>> relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>> commercial organisations.
>>
>> Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>> set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>> been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>> luddite in the past.
>
> I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the eccentric
> elderly who don't use their phones like most of
> the population.
>

There’s basically two ways forwards - you either adapt to the changing
world or spend the rest of your few years left on the planet complaining
about how the world doesn’t work how you’d like it to. I’d wager that the
latter just leads to unhappiness and changes nothing.

Eg, I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll get with
the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or calling out as
one poster here likes to call it, won’t change anything. I aim to go to my
grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 14:35:06 -0000 (UTC), Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>>
>>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>>> relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>>> commercial organisations.
>>>
>>> Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>>> set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>>> been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>>> luddite in the past.
>>
>> I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the eccentric
>> elderly who don't use their phones like most of
>> the population.
>>
>
>There’s basically two ways forwards - you either adapt to the changing
>world or spend the rest of your few years left on the planet complaining
>about how the world doesn’t work how you’d like it to. I’d wager that the
>latter just leads to unhappiness and changes nothing.

I think we can see the evidence of that here.

>
>Eg, I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll get with
>the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or calling out as
>one poster here likes to call it, won’t change anything. I aim to go to my
>grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.

Yes, 100% agreed. There's no point banging on about what a mistake Brexit was, and we just have to make the best of the
situation we are now in, including taking advantage of any opportunities that it presents. They may be few and far
between, but we must make the most of any that arise.

In message <l0u11hlos9iedpvr2huc2krs9dv2a4fdeq@4ax.com>, at 14:01:14 on
Sat, 19 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:43:39 +0000, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>
>>On 19/02/2022 13:24, Tweed wrote:
>>> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 12:37, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <suqnml$b22$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:27:01 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>>>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  What's wrong with having a sacrificial gmail address for companies
>>>>>>> to  use? Not difficult to have a second or third address on your
>>>>>>> phone and  abandon it if/when it gets abused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too much hassle.  It's a painful process setting up google email
>>>>>> addresses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like to provide each organisation I have a dealing with a unique
>>>>>> email address.
>>>>>
>>>>> And how often has that identified a data breach?
>>>>
>>>> More than you might imagine. The usual procedure is that when the
>>>> company decides that I'm unlikely to purchase from them again they sell
>>>> my address on.
>>>
>>> You must be very unlucky. I’ve a work email address that’s been public for
>>> 25 years and a private one that sits in full view on a website. Neither
>>> attract much in the way of unwanted spam. Most of the spam is correctly
>>> identified and dumped by the providers of the email services.
>>
>>You are very lucky indeed.
>>
>>Most of my spam is a result of data breaches.
>
>Is the selling on of a mailing list a data breach?

It is if done in a way that infringes long standing law on such matters.
What's usually the case is the consumer didn't read the small print when
they signed up.
--
Roland Perry

In message <dav11h55l3lg8ngt6aq5frpkronaodfee0@4ax.com>, at 14:24:11 on
Sat, 19 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>
>>>The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>>relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>>commercial organisations.
>>
>>Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>>set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>>been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>>luddite in the past.
>
>I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the eccentric
>elderly who don't use their phones like most of the population.

If having 300 apps and using them for a wide range of communications and
other technical processes, including having two of them on my desk being
interrogated dozens of times a day, is "eccentric", then maybe I'd have
to agree with you.

I just don't think they are very good at tasks like power-user (in terms
of quantity and diversity) email.
--
Roland Perry

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 14:35:06 -0000 (UTC), Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>>>
>>>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>>>> relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>>>> commercial organisations.
>>>>
>>>> Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>>>> set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>>>> been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>>>> luddite in the past.
>>>
>>> I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the eccentric
>>> elderly who don't use their phones like most of
>>> the population.
>>>
>>
>> There’s basically two ways forwards - you either adapt to the changing
>> world or spend the rest of your few years left on the planet complaining
>> about how the world doesn’t work how you’d like it to. I’d wager that the
>> latter just leads to unhappiness and changes nothing.
>
> I think we can see the evidence of that here.
>
>>
>> Eg, I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll get with
>> the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or calling out as
>> one poster here likes to call it, won’t change anything. I aim to go to my
>> grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.
>
> Yes, 100% agreed. There's no point banging on about what a mistake Brexit
> was, and we just have to make the best of the
> situation we are now in, including taking advantage of any opportunities
> that it presents. They may be few and far
> between, but we must make the most of any that arise.
>

I apologise for what appears to be a lack of apostrophes in my posts. They
are present leaving here on my iPad and NewsTap, but seem to get lost in
the wash, judging by the quotes of my posts. I’m guessing my apostrophes
aren’t standard ascii ones, but I’ve no idea how to fix this.

In message <suqv6q$44h$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:35:06 on Sat, 19 Feb
2022, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:

>I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll get with
>the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or calling out as
>one poster here likes to call it, won’t change anything. I aim to go to my
>grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.

Today, I'm surrounded by neighbours complaining their power has gone out
(not sure why today, as the storm was yesterday). And the papers are
increasingly full of condemnation of power companies and their
restoration efforts after storms.

Doesn't worry me so much because without broadband I just use the SIM in
my laptop (how many people have that) and the UPS under my desk will
keep my second screen (how many people have either of those) going for a
few hours before I might then have to rely on just the laptop's own
screen.

Yes, my mood is fine.
--
Roland Perry

In message <f2021hta4h84u9a0l75aj1981g3avu1aa0@4ax.com>, at 14:39:11 on
Sat, 19 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>>I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll get with
>>the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or calling out as
>>one poster here likes to call it, won’t change anything. I aim to go to my
>>grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.
>
>Yes, 100% agreed. There's no point banging on about what a mistake
>Brexit was,

There is a point, because the perpetrators are still in power, and are
screwing up the aftermath.

>and we just have to make the best of the situation we are now in,
>including taking advantage of any opportunities that it presents.

Including improving the recovery process by having different/better
leaders/policies to cope with the consequences of leaving.

>They may be few and far between, but we must make the most of any that
>arise.

--
Roland Perry

On 19/02/2022 14:05, Recliner wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:14:29 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 19/02/2022 11:27, Recliner wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <suqh0e$447$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:32:48 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>>> 2022, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:27, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet), and
>>>>>>>>>> I know
>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked
>>>>>>>>>> by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for th
>>>>>>>>>> e train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet received an
>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the Network
>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout the day and
>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has this evening
>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation, which is
>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment it may
>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that the train
>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast Railways,
>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate the tour in
>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you, then
>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to receive
>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming days to
>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR, RTC and
>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the costs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure many of the
>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Act of God invoked presumably.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two other railtours / charters have managed to run today (19 February),
>>>>> albeit both running rather late:
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading to Lincoln:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U68002/2022-02-19/detailed
>>>>
>>>> +137 at Banbury!
>>>>
>>>>> and Telford Central to Appleby:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U91449/2022-02-19/detaile
>>>>> d#allox_id=0
>>>>
>>>> Are either of them kettles?
>>>
>>> No, as you can see from RTT, they're diesel-hauled.
>>>
>> According to reports elsewhere, a Class 68 to Lincoln, and a pair of 47s
>> to Appleby and back.
>
> Yes, the 47s were identified. I wonder why the 68 was pathed as only a 75mph loco? It's the most powerful diesel loco
> in service in the UK, and can easily pull a train like that at 100mph.

What is says is that it is planned for 75mph. I don't know what the
consist is but is there a 75mph limited coach included?
I don't suppose the route beyond Banbury is cleared for much more than
75mph anyway.

On 19/02/2022 14:24, Recliner wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>
>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>> relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>> commercial organisations.
>>
>> Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>> set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>> been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>> luddite in the past.
>
> I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the eccentric elderly who don't use their phones like most of
> the population.
The only things I don't do on my phone is twitter. I do use it for
email but not my high volume email addresses.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <f2021hta4h84u9a0l75aj1981g3avu1aa0@4ax.com>, at 14:39:11 on
> Sat, 19 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>> I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll get with
>>> the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or calling out as
>>> one poster here likes to call it, won’t change anything. I aim to go to my
>>> grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.
>>
>> Yes, 100% agreed. There's no point banging on about what a mistake
>> Brexit was,
>
> There is a point, because the perpetrators are still in power, and are
> screwing up the aftermath.
>
>> and we just have to make the best of the situation we are now in,
>> including taking advantage of any opportunities that it presents.
>
> Including improving the recovery process by having different/better
> leaders/policies to cope with the consequences of leaving.
>
>> They may be few and far between, but we must make the most of any that
>> arise.
>

Unless you are going to stand for parliament (and get in) or become
extremely politically active, you won’t change anything.

On 19/02/2022 14:05, Recliner wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:14:29 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 19/02/2022 11:27, Recliner wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <suqh0e$447$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:32:48 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>>> 2022, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:27, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet), and
>>>>>>>>>> I know
>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked
>>>>>>>>>> by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for th
>>>>>>>>>> e train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet received an
>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the Network
>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout the day and
>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has this evening
>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation, which is
>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment it may
>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that the train
>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast Railways,
>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate the tour in
>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you, then
>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to receive
>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming days to
>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR, RTC and
>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the costs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure many of the
>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Act of God invoked presumably.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two other railtours / charters have managed to run today (19 February),
>>>>> albeit both running rather late:
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading to Lincoln:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U68002/2022-02-19/detailed
>>>>
>>>> +137 at Banbury!
>>>>
>>>>> and Telford Central to Appleby:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U91449/2022-02-19/detaile
>>>>> d#allox_id=0
>>>>
>>>> Are either of them kettles?
>>>
>>> No, as you can see from RTT, they're diesel-hauled.
>>>
>> According to reports elsewhere, a Class 68 to Lincoln, and a pair of 47s
>> to Appleby and back.
>
> Yes, the 47s were identified. I wonder why the 68 was pathed as only a 75mph loco? It's the most powerful diesel loco
> in service in the UK, and can easily pull a train like that at 100mph.

Is the stock cleared for more than 75mph?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 19/02/2022 14:24, Recliner wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>
>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>> relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>> commercial organisations.
>>
>> Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>> set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>> been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>> luddite in the past.
>
> I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the eccentric elderly who don't use their phones like most of
> the population.

Mind you it is a proportion of the eccentric elderly who go on steam
excursions :-)

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

In message <sur0um$js$2@dont-email.me>, at 15:04:54 on Sat, 19 Feb 2022,
martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>On 19/02/2022 14:24, Recliner wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>>
>>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>>> relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>>> commercial organisations.
>>>
>>> Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>>> set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>>> been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>>> luddite in the past.

>> I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the
>>eccentric elderly who don't use their phones like most of
>> the population.

>The only things I don't do on my phone is twitter.

I'm the other way round, I use Twitter on my phone. Largely because
the desktop version is so dumbed down nowadays it's so useless as a
general medium, I rarely bother at all. And I can go weeks without using
it on my phone either. So the Twitter on my phone is a last resort
(usually to pick up news about railway disruptions when I or someone I
know is travelling).

>I do use it for email but not my high volume email addresses.

Almost all my extended family's interpersonal comms have migrated to
WhatsApp, and that's beeping away frantically all evening.
--
Roland Perry

In message <sur13d$a9l$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:07:25 on Sat, 19 Feb
2022, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <f2021hta4h84u9a0l75aj1981g3avu1aa0@4ax.com>, at 14:39:11 on
>> Sat, 19 Feb 2022, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>
>>>> I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll
>>>>get with the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or
>>>>calling out as one poster here likes to call it, won’t change
>>>>anything. I aim to go to my grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.
>>>
>>> Yes, 100% agreed. There's no point banging on about what a mistake
>>> Brexit was,
>>
>> There is a point, because the perpetrators are still in power, and are
>> screwing up the aftermath.
>>
>>> and we just have to make the best of the situation we are now in,
>>> including taking advantage of any opportunities that it presents.
>>
>> Including improving the recovery process by having different/better
>> leaders/policies to cope with the consequences of leaving.
>>
>>> They may be few and far between, but we must make the most of any that
>>> arise.
>
>Unless you are going to stand for parliament (and get in) or become
>extremely politically active, you won’t change anything.

It depends what you mean by "politically active", I'm still in touch
with quite a few people in the Westminster crowd, and cheering them on
from the sidelines does no harm.
--
Roland Perry

On 19/02/2022 14:05, Recliner wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 13:14:29 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 19/02/2022 11:27, Recliner wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <suqh0e$447$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:32:48 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>>> 2022, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 08:27, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 22:06, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Graham Harrison <edward.harrisom.one@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 21:16:53 -0000 (UTC), Recliner
>>>>>>>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if mainline rail charters hauled by Flying
>>>>>>>>>> Scotsman are
>>>>>>>>>> shown in RTT?  I notice that this one hasn't appeared (yet), and
>>>>>>>>>> I know
>>>>>>>>>> that the timings shown online differ from the actual finalised
>>>>>>>>>> timings. The
>>>>>>>>>> light engine moves to and from Southall are shown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The letter accompanying the ticket says:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please note due to trespassing issues we have been asked
>>>>>>>>>> by Network Rail and the
>>>>>>>>>> British
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Transport Police to not publicise the final timings for th
>>>>>>>>>> e train so we would appreciate it if you could
>>>>>>>>>> treat the timings given overleaf as strictly confidential.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just received a message to say it's been cancelled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, yes, you're right, thanks for the warning. I've not yet received an
>>>>>>>> email to that effect, but it's on the website:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.railwaytouring.net/the-cotswold-venturer-2022
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Found the email:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cotswold Venturer - Urgent Update - Tour Cancelled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have just been informed that despite the best efforts of the Network
>>>>>>> Rail Charter Division in monitoring the situation throughout the day and
>>>>>>> looking at alternative routing in case the original route was not
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> for our train, the Regional Network Rail Route Director has this evening
>>>>>>> made the decision to cancel our Cotswold Venturer train tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are very sorry for the late notice of this cancellation, which is
>>>>>>> outside of our control, and we apologise for any disappointment it may
>>>>>>> cause, everyone involved had worked together in the hope that the train
>>>>>>> would be able to take place tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are now working with our operating company, West Coast Railways,
>>>>>>> Network
>>>>>>> Rail and the caretakers of Flying Scotsman to try and redate the tour in
>>>>>>> March and will be in touch with you as soon as we have a firm date
>>>>>>> for this
>>>>>>> rescheduling. Should the new date not be convenient for you, then
>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>> be entitled to transfer your funds to a different tour or to receive
>>>>>>> a full
>>>>>>> refund of monies paid to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your patience at this time will be appreciated whilst we make the
>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>> arrangements, we will be in touch with you again in the coming days to
>>>>>>> advise further.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again our sincere apologies for any inconvenience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> —————
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder how much this will cost the FS operation (NRM?), WCR, RTC and
>>>>>>> Gravy Train (caterers), and wonder if NR covers some or all of the costs?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have any wasted travel or hotel costs, but I'm sure many of the
>>>>>>> other would-be passengers will have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Act of God invoked presumably.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two other railtours / charters have managed to run today (19 February),
>>>>> albeit both running rather late:
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading to Lincoln:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U68002/2022-02-19/detailed
>>>>
>>>> +137 at Banbury!
>>>>
>>>>> and Telford Central to Appleby:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U91449/2022-02-19/detaile
>>>>> d#allox_id=0
>>>>
>>>> Are either of them kettles?
>>>
>>> No, as you can see from RTT, they're diesel-hauled.
>>>
>> According to reports elsewhere, a Class 68 to Lincoln, and a pair of 47s
>> to Appleby and back.
>
> Yes, the 47s were identified. I wonder why the 68 was pathed as only a 75mph loco?

Probably the line limit on some parts of the route.

On 19/02/2022 14:53, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <suqv6q$44h$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:35:06 on Sat, 19 Feb
> 2022, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>> I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll get with
>> the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or calling out as
>> one poster here likes to call it, won’t change anything. I aim to go
>> to my
>> grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.
>
> Today, I'm surrounded by neighbours complaining their power has gone out
> (not sure why today, as the storm was yesterday). And the papers are
> increasingly full of condemnation of power companies and their
> restoration efforts after storms.

Yes. The power companies operate on the same principle as railway
"control" They have enough operatives for normal working and cannot
cope with anything above.
>
> Doesn't worry me so much because without broadband I just use the SIM in
> my laptop (how many people have that) and the UPS under my desk will
> keep my second screen (how many people have either of those) going for a
> few hours before I might then have to rely on just the laptop's own screen.
>
> Yes, my mood is fine.

In message <suqvrl$hg6$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:46:13 on Sat, 19 Feb
2022, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 14:35:06 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>><usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 12:20:49 +0000, Roland Perry
>>>><roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In message <suqkmj$ds3$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:35:46 on Sat, 19 Feb
>>>>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only email I have on my phone is my personal address only known to
>>>>>> relatives and close friends. I certainly wouldn't trust it to
>>>>>> commercial organisations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most smartphones need an email address from either Apple or Google to
>>>>> set them up. But I'm loving all this anti-email-on-phone stuff, having
>>>>> been on the receiving end of accusations of being an anti-Mticketing
>>>>> luddite in the past.
>>>>
>>>> I suspect that you are Martin fall into the category of the eccentric
>>>> elderly who don't use their phones like most of
>>>> the population.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There’s basically two ways forwards - you either adapt to the changing
>>> world or spend the rest of your few years left on the planet complaining
>>> about how the world doesn’t work how you’d like it to. I’d wager that the
>>> latter just leads to unhappiness and changes nothing.
>>
>> I think we can see the evidence of that here.
>>
>>>
>>> Eg, I detest Brexit and all that has ensued from it. However, I’ll get with
>>> the ETIAS scheme and make the best of it. Complaining, or calling out as
>>> one poster here likes to call it, won’t change anything. I aim to go to my
>>> grave in the best possible mood that I can muster.
>>
>> Yes, 100% agreed. There's no point banging on about what a mistake
>>Brexit was, and we just have to make the best of the situation we
>>are now in, including taking advantage of any opportunities that it
>>presents. They may be few and far between, but we must make the most
>>of any that arise.
>
>I apologise for what appears to be a lack of apostrophes in my posts. They
>are present leaving here on my iPad and NewsTap, but seem to get lost in
>the wash, judging by the quotes of my posts. I’m guessing my apostrophes
>aren’t standard ascii ones, but I’ve no idea how to fix this.

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