On 9/07/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:

>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind these
>> days, and it's like there's a competition amongst manufacturers to see
>> who can make the ugliest thing around and still have people want to
>> own it.
>>
>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>
>
> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable.

Everyone makes products with issues these days. Everyone. Including
Toyota. There has never been a manufacturer who has a perfect record for
making fault free cars in the history of vehicle manufacturing, and as
much as I'm not a Benz fan there would be plenty I would direct my angst
towards before I targeted them as a bad example.

Like Alfa for example...
> However, this:
>
> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>
> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking? When
> the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years ago?), I
> thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the picture for a
> few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.

Looks are incredibly subjective. Personally I don't think the grille is
any more or less attractive than the rest of the car.

> Now, for Lexus:
>
> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>
> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too.

They have my sympathies :)
> I reckon it looks pretty damned nice. Grille and all.

I think it looks like a Nissan Skyline with a really bad body kit. Not
that I want either, but if I had to choose one I'd have the Skyline.
> Mind you: The grilles on their bigger cars looks like shit. Same
deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars. YIKES!

They're all doing whatever they think they need to in order to pull a
customer. None of them appeal to me, as I think modern cars have no
style or character whatsoever.

> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>
> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models

Um, to you perhaps :)

> At least Tesla don't find the need to put a fake cooling intake for a
> non-existent radiator on their cars. BMW need to dump theirs. And so
> does Merc.

Well, they may not do, but then they have their own "wank" association.
Namely Elon Musk. Some people think he's a God. I think he's a fucking
idiot and wouldn't ever own anything that he was associated with.

For much the same reason I was never interested in having an Iphone
thanks to Steve Jobs :)

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On 9/7/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 30/06/2023 9:47 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 30/6/2023 9:21 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>> **I get that, but they're all so damned ugly. If Range Rover can
>>>> make their things looks quite decent from the front, surely others
>>>> can as well.
>>>
>>> Maybe Land Rover should concentrate less on styling and more on build
>>> quality since they are down there with Jeep being the most unreliable
>>> vehicles on the road.
>>
>> Yep. They're hideous.
>>
>> Interesting thing is that the V6 in my Ford Ranger started life in a
>> Range Rover where they had heaps of trouble with it. It's called the
>> "Lion" engine, and Ford got hold of it and sorted it out. It first
>> appeared to us under the Ford badge as the 2.7 litre diesel fitted to
>> the Ford Territory, and in subsequent mods it got upgraded to 3 litres
>> and spent the last 3 years in the F-150 in the US where it's
>> apparently earned a reputation as being very good.
>>
>> My initial impressions of it after a mere 80km are that it's quite
>> smooth and refined. It's *very* quiet and unless someone told you you
>> wouldn't know it's a diesel at all. It's quite linear although I'm
>> sure the 10 speed trans goes a long way to give that impression, and
>> while it's no power house in terms of blistering off the line
>> acceleration it moves along quite nicely.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to towing a load with it and seeing how well the
>> 600nm does it's job.
>>
>>> Styling of utes seems to be following US designs and that IMHO isn't
>>> a good thing not that too many people but those vehicles for their
>>> styling.
>>
>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind these
>> days, and it's like there's a competition amongst manufacturers to see
>> who can make the ugliest thing around and still have people want to
>> own it.
>>
>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>
>
> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable. However, this:
>
> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>
> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking? When
> the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years ago?), I
> thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the picture for a
> few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.
>
> Now, for Lexus:
>
> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>
> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too. I reckon it looks
> pretty damned nice.

Beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that, I think its hideous.
I don't like the MB grille either.

Grille and all. Mind you: The grilles on their
> bigger cars looks like shit. Same deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars. YIKES!
>
> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:

You must be joking?
>
> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models

What I see when I look at a Tesla is a very expensive poorly made ugly
car that is depreciating at an alarming rate.

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On 9/07/2023 10:02 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 9/7/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 30/06/2023 9:47 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 30/6/2023 9:21 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> **I get that, but they're all so damned ugly. If Range Rover can
>>>>> make their things looks quite decent from the front, surely others
>>>>> can as well.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Land Rover should concentrate less on styling and more on
>>>> build quality since they are down there with Jeep being the most
>>>> unreliable vehicles on the road.
>>>
>>> Yep. They're hideous.
>>>
>>> Interesting thing is that the V6 in my Ford Ranger started life in a
>>> Range Rover where they had heaps of trouble with it. It's called the
>>> "Lion" engine, and Ford got hold of it and sorted it out. It first
>>> appeared to us under the Ford badge as the 2.7 litre diesel fitted to
>>> the Ford Territory, and in subsequent mods it got upgraded to 3
>>> litres and spent the last 3 years in the F-150 in the US where it's
>>> apparently earned a reputation as being very good.
>>>
>>> My initial impressions of it after a mere 80km are that it's quite
>>> smooth and refined. It's *very* quiet and unless someone told you you
>>> wouldn't know it's a diesel at all. It's quite linear although I'm
>>> sure the 10 speed trans goes a long way to give that impression, and
>>> while it's no power house in terms of blistering off the line
>>> acceleration it moves along quite nicely.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to towing a load with it and seeing how well the
>>> 600nm does it's job.
>>>
>>>> Styling of utes seems to be following US designs and that IMHO isn't
>>>> a good thing not that too many people but those vehicles for their
>>>> styling.
>>>
>>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind these
>>> days, and it's like there's a competition amongst manufacturers to
>>> see who can make the ugliest thing around and still have people want
>>> to own it.
>>>
>>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>>
>>
>> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable. However, this:
>>
>> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>>
>> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking?
>> When the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years
>> ago?), I thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the
>> picture for a few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.
>>
>> Now, for Lexus:
>>
>> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>>
>> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too. I reckon it looks
>> pretty damned nice.
>
> Beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that, I think its hideous.
> I don't like the MB grille either.
>
>  Grille and all. Mind you: The grilles on their
>> bigger cars looks like shit. Same deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
>> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars. YIKES!
>>
>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>
> You must be joking?
>>
>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>
> What I see when I look at a Tesla is a very expensive poorly made ugly
> car that is depreciating at an alarming rate.
>
>

**Dunno where you get your research numbers from, but, as usual, Toyota
is at the top. Mercs are way down near the bottom. Teslas are somewhere
in the middle:

https://caredge.com/compare/depreciation/mercedes-benz-vs-model-3-vs-toyota-vs-volkswagen

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 11:03:23 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>>
>>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>>
>> What I see when I look at a Tesla is a very expensive poorly made ugly
>> car that is depreciating at an alarming rate.
>>
>>
>>
> **Dunno where you get your research numbers from,

Deryl gets his from, "I know a bloke who..." and Fraudster doesn't do
research.
> but, as usual, Toyota
> is at the top. Mercs are way down near the bottom. Teslas are somewhere
> in the middle:
>
> https://caredge.com/compare/depreciation/mercedes-benz-vs-model-3-vs-
toyota-vs-volkswagen

Ashley old sock, I couldn't find where that impressive looking site got
its data from.

alvey

On 9/07/2023 11:21 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 11:03:23 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>>>
>>> What I see when I look at a Tesla is a very expensive poorly made ugly
>>> car that is depreciating at an alarming rate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> **Dunno where you get your research numbers from,
>
> Deryl gets his from, "I know a bloke who..." and Fraudster doesn't do
> research.
>
>> but, as usual, Toyota
>> is at the top. Mercs are way down near the bottom. Teslas are somewhere
>> in the middle:
>>
>> https://caredge.com/compare/depreciation/mercedes-benz-vs-model-3-vs-
> toyota-vs-volkswagen
>
> Ashley old sock, I couldn't find where that impressive looking site got
> its data from.
>

**Me either. However, as batteries become cheaper/easier/more
common-place to replace and ICE cars become more expensive to run, then
we can expect to see BEVs increase in second hand values. Maybe they'll
catch up to Toyota?

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On 9/07/2023 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind these
>>> days, and it's like there's a competition amongst manufacturers to
>>> see who can make the ugliest thing around and still have people want
>>> to own it.
>>>
>>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>>
>>
>> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable.
>
> Everyone makes products with issues these days. Everyone. Including
> Toyota. There has never been a manufacturer who has a perfect record for
> making fault free cars in the history of vehicle manufacturing, and as
> much as I'm not a Benz fan there would be plenty I would direct my angst
> towards before I targeted them as a bad example.
>
> Like Alfa for example...
>  > However, this:
>>
>> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>>
>> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking?
>> When the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years
>> ago?), I thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the
>> picture for a few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.
>
> Looks are incredibly subjective. Personally I don't think the grille is
> any more or less attractive than the rest of the car.
>
>> Now, for Lexus:
>>
>> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>>
>> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too.
>
> They have my sympathies :)
>  > I reckon it looks pretty damned nice. Grille and all.
>
> I think it looks like a Nissan Skyline with a really bad body kit. Not
> that I want either, but if I had to choose one I'd have the Skyline.
>  > Mind you: The grilles on their bigger cars looks like shit. Same
> deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
>> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars. YIKES!
>
> They're all doing whatever they think they need to in order to pull a
> customer. None of them appeal to me, as I think modern cars have no
> style or character whatsoever.
>
>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>>
>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>
> Um, to you perhaps :)
>
>> At least Tesla don't find the need to put a fake cooling intake for a
>> non-existent radiator on their cars. BMW need to dump theirs. And so
>> does Merc.
>
> Well, they may not do, but then they have their own "wank" association.
> Namely Elon Musk. Some people think he's a God. I think he's a fucking
> idiot and wouldn't ever own anything that he was associated with.
>
> For much the same reason I was never interested in having an Iphone
> thanks to Steve Jobs :)
>
>

**Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.

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On 9/7/2023 11:03 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 10:02 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 9/7/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 30/06/2023 9:47 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 30/6/2023 9:21 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> **I get that, but they're all so damned ugly. If Range Rover can
>>>>>> make their things looks quite decent from the front, surely others
>>>>>> can as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Land Rover should concentrate less on styling and more on
>>>>> build quality since they are down there with Jeep being the most
>>>>> unreliable vehicles on the road.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. They're hideous.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting thing is that the V6 in my Ford Ranger started life in a
>>>> Range Rover where they had heaps of trouble with it. It's called the
>>>> "Lion" engine, and Ford got hold of it and sorted it out. It first
>>>> appeared to us under the Ford badge as the 2.7 litre diesel fitted
>>>> to the Ford Territory, and in subsequent mods it got upgraded to 3
>>>> litres and spent the last 3 years in the F-150 in the US where it's
>>>> apparently earned a reputation as being very good.
>>>>
>>>> My initial impressions of it after a mere 80km are that it's quite
>>>> smooth and refined. It's *very* quiet and unless someone told you
>>>> you wouldn't know it's a diesel at all. It's quite linear although
>>>> I'm sure the 10 speed trans goes a long way to give that impression,
>>>> and while it's no power house in terms of blistering off the line
>>>> acceleration it moves along quite nicely.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking forward to towing a load with it and seeing how well the
>>>> 600nm does it's job.
>>>>
>>>>> Styling of utes seems to be following US designs and that IMHO
>>>>> isn't a good thing not that too many people but those vehicles for
>>>>> their styling.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind these
>>>> days, and it's like there's a competition amongst manufacturers to
>>>> see who can make the ugliest thing around and still have people want
>>>> to own it.
>>>>
>>>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable. However, this:
>>>
>>> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>>>
>>> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking?
>>> When the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years
>>> ago?), I thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the
>>> picture for a few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.
>>>
>>> Now, for Lexus:
>>>
>>> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>>>
>>> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too. I reckon it looks
>>> pretty damned nice.
>>
>> Beauty being in the eye of the beholder and all that, I think its
>> hideous.
>> I don't like the MB grille either.
>>
>>   Grille and all. Mind you: The grilles on their
>>> bigger cars looks like shit. Same deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get
>>> me started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars.
>>> YIKES!
>>>
>>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>>
>> You must be joking?
>>>
>>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>>
>> What I see when I look at a Tesla is a very expensive poorly made ugly
>> car that is depreciating at an alarming rate.
>>
>>
>
> **Dunno where you get your research numbers from, but, as usual, Toyota
> is at the top. Mercs are way down near the bottom. Teslas are somewhere
> in the middle:
>
> https://caredge.com/compare/depreciation/mercedes-benz-vs-model-3-vs-toyota-vs-volkswagen
>
Like his trade qualifications, Darren just *invents* any research
numbers he needs to back up his bullshit claims.

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On 9/07/2023 10:02 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 9/7/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>
>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>
> You must be joking?
>>
>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>
> What I see when I look at a Tesla is a very expensive poorly made ugly
> car that is depreciating at an alarming rate.

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't call one "attractive". In fact I think they
look like a kit car, and with the build quality they have one that's
been made by someone who needs to work on their skillset.

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On 9/07/2023 12:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind these
>>>> days, and it's like there's a competition amongst manufacturers to
>>>> see who can make the ugliest thing around and still have people want
>>>> to own it.
>>>>
>>>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable.
>>
>> Everyone makes products with issues these days. Everyone. Including
>> Toyota. There has never been a manufacturer who has a perfect record
>> for making fault free cars in the history of vehicle manufacturing,
>> and as much as I'm not a Benz fan there would be plenty I would direct
>> my angst towards before I targeted them as a bad example.
>>
>> Like Alfa for example...
>>   > However, this:
>>>
>>> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>>>
>>> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking?
>>> When the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years
>>> ago?), I thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the
>>> picture for a few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.
>>
>> Looks are incredibly subjective. Personally I don't think the grille
>> is any more or less attractive than the rest of the car.
>>
>>> Now, for Lexus:
>>>
>>> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>>>
>>> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too.
>>
>> They have my sympathies :)
>>   > I reckon it looks pretty damned nice. Grille and all.
>>
>> I think it looks like a Nissan Skyline with a really bad body kit. Not
>> that I want either, but if I had to choose one I'd have the Skyline.
>>   > Mind you: The grilles on their bigger cars looks like shit. Same
>> deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
>>> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars.
>>> YIKES!
>>
>> They're all doing whatever they think they need to in order to pull a
>> customer. None of them appeal to me, as I think modern cars have no
>> style or character whatsoever.
>>
>>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>>>
>>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>>
>> Um, to you perhaps :)
>>
>>> At least Tesla don't find the need to put a fake cooling intake for a
>>> non-existent radiator on their cars. BMW need to dump theirs. And so
>>> does Merc.
>>
>> Well, they may not do, but then they have their own "wank"
>> association. Namely Elon Musk. Some people think he's a God. I think
>> he's a fucking idiot and wouldn't ever own anything that he was
>> associated with.
>>
>> For much the same reason I was never interested in having an Iphone
>> thanks to Steve Jobs :)
>>
>>
>
> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>
As does my $390 Pixel 6a.

On 9/07/2023 4:20 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 12:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind
>>>>> these days, and it's like there's a competition amongst
>>>>> manufacturers to see who can make the ugliest thing around and
>>>>> still have people want to own it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable.
>>>
>>> Everyone makes products with issues these days. Everyone. Including
>>> Toyota. There has never been a manufacturer who has a perfect record
>>> for making fault free cars in the history of vehicle manufacturing,
>>> and as much as I'm not a Benz fan there would be plenty I would
>>> direct my angst towards before I targeted them as a bad example.
>>>
>>> Like Alfa for example...
>>>   > However, this:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>>>>
>>>> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking?
>>>> When the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years
>>>> ago?), I thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the
>>>> picture for a few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.
>>>
>>> Looks are incredibly subjective. Personally I don't think the grille
>>> is any more or less attractive than the rest of the car.
>>>
>>>> Now, for Lexus:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>>>>
>>>> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too.
>>>
>>> They have my sympathies :)
>>>   > I reckon it looks pretty damned nice. Grille and all.
>>>
>>> I think it looks like a Nissan Skyline with a really bad body kit.
>>> Not that I want either, but if I had to choose one I'd have the Skyline.
>>>   > Mind you: The grilles on their bigger cars looks like shit. Same
>>> deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
>>>> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars.
>>>> YIKES!
>>>
>>> They're all doing whatever they think they need to in order to pull a
>>> customer. None of them appeal to me, as I think modern cars have no
>>> style or character whatsoever.
>>>
>>>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>>>
>>> Um, to you perhaps :)
>>>
>>>> At least Tesla don't find the need to put a fake cooling intake for
>>>> a non-existent radiator on their cars. BMW need to dump theirs. And
>>>> so does Merc.
>>>
>>> Well, they may not do, but then they have their own "wank"
>>> association. Namely Elon Musk. Some people think he's a God. I think
>>> he's a fucking idiot and wouldn't ever own anything that he was
>>> associated with.
>>>
>>> For much the same reason I was never interested in having an Iphone
>>> thanks to Steve Jobs :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
>> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
>> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>>
> As does my $390 Pixel 6a.

**Damn!

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On 9/07/2023 5:20 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 4:20 pm, Keithr0 wrote:

>>> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
>>> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
>>> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>>>
>> As does my $390 Pixel 6a.
>
> **Damn!

I don't really give a crap about the cost. My current phone is a Galaxy
S21 Ultra which at the time I bought it was just as expensive, if not
more, as any Iphone then on the market.

My dislike for Apple was about Steve Jobs and everything he stood for,
and the fact that the cunt of a thing is dead doesn't change my view
and make me suddenly want to spend money with a company that he had
anything to do with.

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On 9/07/2023 4:20 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 12:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind
>>>>> these days, and it's like there's a competition amongst
>>>>> manufacturers to see who can make the ugliest thing around and
>>>>> still have people want to own it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable.
>>>
>>> Everyone makes products with issues these days. Everyone. Including
>>> Toyota. There has never been a manufacturer who has a perfect record
>>> for making fault free cars in the history of vehicle manufacturing,
>>> and as much as I'm not a Benz fan there would be plenty I would
>>> direct my angst towards before I targeted them as a bad example.
>>>
>>> Like Alfa for example...
>>>   > However, this:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>>>>
>>>> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking?
>>>> When the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years
>>>> ago?), I thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the
>>>> picture for a few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.
>>>
>>> Looks are incredibly subjective. Personally I don't think the grille
>>> is any more or less attractive than the rest of the car.
>>>
>>>> Now, for Lexus:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>>>>
>>>> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too.
>>>
>>> They have my sympathies :)
>>>   > I reckon it looks pretty damned nice. Grille and all.
>>>
>>> I think it looks like a Nissan Skyline with a really bad body kit.
>>> Not that I want either, but if I had to choose one I'd have the Skyline.
>>>   > Mind you: The grilles on their bigger cars looks like shit. Same
>>> deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
>>>> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars.
>>>> YIKES!
>>>
>>> They're all doing whatever they think they need to in order to pull a
>>> customer. None of them appeal to me, as I think modern cars have no
>>> style or character whatsoever.
>>>
>>>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>>>
>>> Um, to you perhaps :)
>>>
>>>> At least Tesla don't find the need to put a fake cooling intake for
>>>> a non-existent radiator on their cars. BMW need to dump theirs. And
>>>> so does Merc.
>>>
>>> Well, they may not do, but then they have their own "wank"
>>> association. Namely Elon Musk. Some people think he's a God. I think
>>> he's a fucking idiot and wouldn't ever own anything that he was
>>> associated with.
>>>
>>> For much the same reason I was never interested in having an Iphone
>>> thanks to Steve Jobs :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
>> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
>> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>>
> As does my $390 Pixel 6a.

**I just checked. My 64mp main camera is a beaut. The others (there's 5
in total) ain't too shabby either. Bloody huge files though.

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On 9/07/2023 5:53 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 5:20 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 4:20 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>>>> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
>>>> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
>>>> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>>>>
>>> As does my $390 Pixel 6a.
>>
>> **Damn!
>
> I don't really give a crap about the cost. My current phone is a Galaxy
> S21 Ultra which at the time I bought it was just as expensive, if not
> more, as any Iphone then on the market.
>
> My dislike for Apple was about Steve Jobs and everything he stood for,
> and the fact that the cunt of a thing is dead doesn't change my view and
> make me suddenly want to spend money with a company that he had anything
> to do with.
>
>

**Smart move. I've been a PC (IBM compatible) guy since the 1980s. In
fact, a mate asked me to suggest 'the ultimate PC', back in 2010.
Gigabyte MB, Intel i5 (first gen) CPU, crap-loads of RAM, etc. Sometime
around 2013-4 he decided to 'upgrade' to an Apple Mac thing. Looked
sexy. Did some fancy video stuff, but when it came to doing day to day
stuff, it was no faster than his old PC. He gave me his old i5 machine.

When his Mac went down, the bill was so horrendous, he bought a new
machine. The video sub-system had failed. $2,200.00. The same fault in
his old PC would have cost around $200.00 to fix.

Then his new Mac failed. Yep, you guessed it - Another new iMac.

The new one bit the dust too. Another new iMac.

Here's the kicker: I still wheel out his old PC now and again (I retired
it in late 2018, for a new HP laptop (which still works a treat, though
it needs a battery), when I need some of it's facilities.

You can stick your Apple shit where the Sun don't shine. Yeah and Jobs
was just a con-man sales-droid, who was able to work out what people
wanted to buy, before they knew it. In my business, the late Amar Bose
was just such a con-man. 'No highs, no lows, it must be Bose'.

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On 9/07/2023 7:13 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 5:53 pm, Noddy wrote:

> You can stick your Apple shit where the Sun don't shine. Yeah and Jobs
> was just a con-man sales-droid, who was able to work out what people
> wanted to buy, before they knew it. In my business, the late Amar Bose
> was just such a con-man. 'No highs, no lows, it must be Bose'.

Jobs was a cheat, a liar and a thief who stole everything he ever
"created" from other people and became a litigation freak to prevent
anyone stealing anything from him. He never invented a single thing, and
while some say he was a "visionary" who created the future the reality
was more like he paid people to come up with the ideas and put them into
practice while he stood back and took all the credit.

Steve Wozniak was a genius. Steve Jobs was a fucking used car salesman.

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On 9/7/2023 8:12 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 7:13 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 5:53 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>> You can stick your Apple shit where the Sun don't shine. Yeah and Jobs
>> was just a con-man sales-droid, who was able to work out what people
>> wanted to buy, before they knew it. In my business, the late Amar Bose
>> was just such a con-man. 'No highs, no lows, it must be Bose'.
>
> Jobs was a cheat, a liar and a thief who stole everything he ever
> "created" from other people and became a litigation freak to prevent
> anyone stealing anything from him. He never invented a single thing, and
> while some say he was a "visionary" who created the future the reality
> was more like he paid people to come up with the ideas and put them into
> practice while he stood back and took all the credit.
>
> Steve Wozniak was a genius. Steve Jobs was a fucking used car salesman.

Between the technical talents of Wozniak and Job's visions, Apple is a
huge company with a value in excess of $3 trillion. Someone was doing
something right.

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On 9/7/2023 5:53 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 5:20 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 4:20 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>>>> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
>>>> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
>>>> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>>>>
>>> As does my $390 Pixel 6a.
>>
>> **Damn!
>
> I don't really give a crap about the cost. My current phone is a Galaxy
> S21 Ultra which at the time I bought it was just as expensive, if not
> more, as any Iphone then on the market.
>
> My dislike for Apple was about Steve Jobs and everything he stood for,
> and the fact that the cunt of a thing is dead doesn't change my view and
> make me suddenly want to spend money with a company that he had anything
> to do with.
>
>

I dislike iPhone but its nothing to do with Jobs or Apple, I just don't
like their operating system, even the keyboard is a pita to use but I
have a Mac mini and IMHO its by far the best computer I've ever owned.
My old Mac mine which I was given for free was made in 2013, it never
missed a beat but I though that it was a bit old so I bought a new one,
only $1100 so not overly expensive.
Previously I always had PC's but my last one was very unreliable
crashing a couple of times a day, I couldn't find its problem but when
my son came back from the UK he found that the problem was caused by a
faulty CD drive, he gave me the Mac mini and I've never had a single
computer problem since.
My phone is a Pixel 7 which replaced a Pixel 2, in a way I liked the old
phone better because it was smaller and lighter but Google stopped
issuing updates so I bought a new one.

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On 9/7/2023 7:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 4:20 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 12:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2023 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 9/07/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind
>>>>>> these days, and it's like there's a competition amongst
>>>>>> manufacturers to see who can make the ugliest thing around and
>>>>>> still have people want to own it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone makes products with issues these days. Everyone. Including
>>>> Toyota. There has never been a manufacturer who has a perfect record
>>>> for making fault free cars in the history of vehicle manufacturing,
>>>> and as much as I'm not a Benz fan there would be plenty I would
>>>> direct my angst towards before I targeted them as a bad example.
>>>>
>>>> Like Alfa for example...
>>>>   > However, this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they thinking?
>>>>> When the latest generation of SL cars were released (10 - 12 years
>>>>> ago?), I thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been looking at the
>>>>> picture for a few minutes now. Fuck me, they look shithouse.
>>>>
>>>> Looks are incredibly subjective. Personally I don't think the grille
>>>> is any more or less attractive than the rest of the car.
>>>>
>>>>> Now, for Lexus:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>>>>>
>>>>> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too.
>>>>
>>>> They have my sympathies :)
>>>>   > I reckon it looks pretty damned nice. Grille and all.
>>>>
>>>> I think it looks like a Nissan Skyline with a really bad body kit.
>>>> Not that I want either, but if I had to choose one I'd have the
>>>> Skyline.
>>>>   > Mind you: The grilles on their bigger cars looks like shit. Same
>>>> deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
>>>>> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars.
>>>>> YIKES!
>>>>
>>>> They're all doing whatever they think they need to in order to pull
>>>> a customer. None of them appeal to me, as I think modern cars have
>>>> no style or character whatsoever.
>>>>
>>>>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>>>>
>>>> Um, to you perhaps :)
>>>>
>>>>> At least Tesla don't find the need to put a fake cooling intake for
>>>>> a non-existent radiator on their cars. BMW need to dump theirs. And
>>>>> so does Merc.
>>>>
>>>> Well, they may not do, but then they have their own "wank"
>>>> association. Namely Elon Musk. Some people think he's a God. I think
>>>> he's a fucking idiot and wouldn't ever own anything that he was
>>>> associated with.
>>>>
>>>> For much the same reason I was never interested in having an Iphone
>>>> thanks to Steve Jobs :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
>>> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
>>> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>>>
>> As does my $390 Pixel 6a.
>
> **I just checked. My 64mp main camera is a beaut. The others (there's 5
> in total) ain't too shabby either. Bloody huge files though.
>
I know several people who have owned Oppo phones, most thought they are
OK whilst one hated his so much he smashed to pieces when he couldn't
get it to do what he wanted:-)

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On 9/7/2023 7:13 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 5:53 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 5:20 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2023 4:20 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>>>> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
>>>>> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
>>>>> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>>>>>
>>>> As does my $390 Pixel 6a.
>>>
>>> **Damn!
>>
>> I don't really give a crap about the cost. My current phone is a
>> Galaxy S21 Ultra which at the time I bought it was just as expensive,
>> if not more, as any Iphone then on the market.
>>
>> My dislike for Apple was about Steve Jobs and everything he stood for,
>> and the fact that the cunt of a thing is dead doesn't change my view
>> and make me suddenly want to spend money with a company that he had
>> anything to do with.
>>
>>
>
> **Smart move. I've been a PC (IBM compatible) guy since the 1980s. In
> fact, a mate asked me to suggest 'the ultimate PC', back in 2010.
> Gigabyte MB, Intel i5 (first gen) CPU, crap-loads of RAM, etc. Sometime
> around 2013-4 he decided to 'upgrade' to an Apple Mac thing. Looked
> sexy. Did some fancy video stuff, but when it came to doing day to day
> stuff, it was no faster than his old PC. He gave me his old i5 machine.
>
> When his Mac went down, the bill was so horrendous, he bought a new
> machine. The video sub-system had failed. $2,200.00. The same fault in
> his old PC would have cost around $200.00 to fix.
>
> Then his new Mac failed. Yep, you guessed it - Another new iMac.
>
> The new one bit the dust too. Another new iMac.

Many schools in Vic used mostly Macs, considerably more expensive but
according to the people whose job it was to look after them they were
bought mostly because they were considerably more reliable.
My nephews wife is a very highly paid graphic designer, apparently in
that industry they exclusively use Macs.
Make of that what you will.
These days they have mostly gotten rid of desktop computers and the
students almost all have iPads

>
> Here's the kicker: I still wheel out his old PC now and again (I retired
> it in late 2018, for a new HP laptop (which still works a treat, though
> it needs a battery), when I need some of it's facilities.

A couple of days ago I decided to fire up my old Sony laptop that has
car tuning software installed, it booted up properly but when it
restarted after an update it locked up and I couldn't do anything with it.
Thought that it was junk but I removed the battery, let it sit for a
while and when I tried it again it booted up properly:-)
>
> You can stick your Apple shit where the Sun don't shine. Yeah and Jobs
> was just a con-man sales-droid, who was able to work out what people
> wanted to buy, before they knew it. In my business, the late Amar Bose
> was just such a con-man. 'No highs, no lows, it must be Bose'.
>

And now we have Musk selling junk, there are con men everywhere:-)

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On 9/07/2023 10:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 9/7/2023 5:53 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> My dislike for Apple was about Steve Jobs and everything he stood for,
>> and the fact that the cunt of a thing is dead doesn't change my view
>> and make me suddenly want to spend money with a company that he had
>> anything to do with.
>>
>>
>
> I dislike iPhone but its nothing to do with Jobs or Apple, I just don't
> like their operating system, even the keyboard is a pita to use but I
> have a Mac mini and IMHO its by far the best computer I've ever owned.

My wife has an Iphone for work. Most government departments use Iphones,
and for no reason other than standardisation. Just makes it easier for
everyone when they've all got the same shit. She doesn't particularly
care about phone brands one way or the other, and her personal phone is
a Galaxy S21 the same as mine. She doesn't have any issues with the
Iphone as far as I'm aware, apart from not understanding what people see
in them.

> My old Mac mine which I was given for free was made in 2013, it never
> missed a beat but I though that it was a bit old so I bought a new one,
> only $1100 so not overly expensive.
> Previously I always had PC's but my last one was very unreliable
> crashing a couple of times a day, I couldn't find its problem but when
> my son came back from the UK he found that the problem was caused by a
> faulty CD drive, he gave me the Mac mini and I've never had a single
> computer problem since.

Poofter :)

> My phone is a Pixel 7 which replaced a Pixel 2, in a way I liked the old
> phone better because it was smaller and lighter but Google stopped
> issuing updates so I bought a new one.

My next phone will most likely be a Pixel 7 as I like the look of them
and think they're good value for money. My last 2 phones have been
Samsungs (the S21 I have now and a Note 9 before that) and I've had
enough of them. Not that there's anything wrong with the hardware, but
their phones are just a bit too intrusive for my liking. They try to
second guess your every move and end up doing something you *don't* want
them to do, and a "feature" they have which I hate most of all is that
every time they update themselves, which is often, they rearrange the
phone to how *they* think it should be and completely fuck up how I have
the thing set up to my liking.

I'm done with them. HTC used to be my favourite brand and I had three of
those in a row with no problems at all. I only got a Samsung because you
couldn't buy HTC phones anymore and the wife was happy with hers.

So now it's a Pixel 7.

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On 9/07/2023 11:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 10:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 9/7/2023 5:53 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> My dislike for Apple was about Steve Jobs and everything he stood
>>> for, and the fact that the cunt of a thing is dead doesn't change my
>>> view and make me suddenly want to spend money with a company that he
>>> had anything to do with.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I dislike iPhone but its nothing to do with Jobs or Apple, I just
>> don't like their operating system, even the keyboard is a pita to use
>> but I have a Mac mini and IMHO its by far the best computer I've ever
>> owned.
>
> My wife has an Iphone for work. Most government departments use Iphones,
> and for no reason other than standardisation. Just makes it easier for
> everyone when they've all got the same shit. She doesn't particularly
> care about phone brands one way or the other, and her personal phone is
> a Galaxy S21 the same as mine. She doesn't have any issues with the
> Iphone as far as I'm aware, apart from not understanding what people see
> in them.
>
>> My old Mac mine which I was given for free was made in 2013, it never
>> missed a beat but I though that it was a bit old so I bought a new
>> one, only $1100 so not overly expensive.
>> Previously I always had PC's but my last one was very unreliable
>> crashing a couple of times a day, I couldn't find its problem but when
>> my son came back from the UK he found that the problem was caused by a
>> faulty CD drive, he gave me the Mac mini and I've never had a single
>> computer problem since.
>
> Poofter :)
>
>
>> My phone is a Pixel 7 which replaced a Pixel 2, in a way I liked the
>> old phone better because it was smaller and lighter but Google stopped
>> issuing updates so I bought a new one.
>
> My next phone will most likely be a Pixel 7 as I like the look of them
> and think they're good value for money. My last 2 phones have been
> Samsungs (the S21 I have now and a Note 9 before that) and I've had
> enough of them. Not that there's anything wrong with the hardware, but
> their phones are just a bit too intrusive for my liking. They try to
> second guess your every move and end up doing something you *don't* want
> them to do, and a "feature" they have which I hate most of all is that
> every time they update themselves, which is often, they rearrange the
> phone to how *they* think it should be and completely fuck up how I have
> the thing set up to my liking.
>
> I'm done with them. HTC used to be my favourite brand and I had three of
> those in a row with no problems at all. I only got a Samsung because you
> couldn't buy HTC phones anymore and the wife was happy with hers.
>
> So now it's a Pixel 7.
>

**Before you plonk your money down on a Pixel, check out Oppo. Very nice
'phones, at great prices. I'm on my second Oppo and could not be
happier. Around 1/3rd the price of an equivalent Sammy.

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On 9/07/2023 10:43 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 9/7/2023 7:00 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 4:20 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/07/2023 12:55 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 9/07/2023 9:35 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 9/07/2023 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/06/2023 10:36 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think there are too many good looking cars of any kind
>>>>>>> these days, and it's like there's a competition amongst
>>>>>>> manufacturers to see who can make the ugliest thing around and
>>>>>>> still have people want to own it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mercedes Benz and Lexus are clear leaders in this field :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **I love bashing Mercs. Over-priced and unreliable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone makes products with issues these days. Everyone. Including
>>>>> Toyota. There has never been a manufacturer who has a perfect
>>>>> record for making fault free cars in the history of vehicle
>>>>> manufacturing, and as much as I'm not a Benz fan there would be
>>>>> plenty I would direct my angst towards before I targeted them as a
>>>>> bad example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Alfa for example...
>>>>>   > However, this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.mercedes-benz.com.au/passengercars/models/cabriolet-roadster/sl/overview.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks great, EXCEPT for that hideous grille. WTF are they
>>>>>> thinking? When the latest generation of SL cars were released (10
>>>>>> - 12 years ago?), I thought they looked fabulous. OK, I've been
>>>>>> looking at the picture for a few minutes now. Fuck me, they look
>>>>>> shithouse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks are incredibly subjective. Personally I don't think the
>>>>> grille is any more or less attractive than the rest of the car.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, for Lexus:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.lexus.com.au/models/lc/overview
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of my neighbours has that car. Same colour too.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have my sympathies :)
>>>>>   > I reckon it looks pretty damned nice. Grille and all.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it looks like a Nissan Skyline with a really bad body kit.
>>>>> Not that I want either, but if I had to choose one I'd have the
>>>>> Skyline.
>>>>>   > Mind you: The grilles on their bigger cars looks like shit.
>>>>> Same deal with 4WD BMWs. And don't get me
>>>>>> started on the plastic shit on the front of the BMW electric cars.
>>>>>> YIKES!
>>>>>
>>>>> They're all doing whatever they think they need to in order to pull
>>>>> a customer. None of them appeal to me, as I think modern cars have
>>>>> no style or character whatsoever.
>>>>>
>>>>>> By comparison, this looks drop-dead gorgeous:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tesla.com/en_au/models
>>>>>
>>>>> Um, to you perhaps :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> At least Tesla don't find the need to put a fake cooling intake
>>>>>> for a non-existent radiator on their cars. BMW need to dump
>>>>>> theirs. And so does Merc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, they may not do, but then they have their own "wank"
>>>>> association. Namely Elon Musk. Some people think he's a God. I
>>>>> think he's a fucking idiot and wouldn't ever own anything that he
>>>>> was associated with.
>>>>>
>>>>> For much the same reason I was never interested in having an Iphone
>>>>> thanks to Steve Jobs :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **Yeah, well, I've been telling anyone who will listen, since the
>>>> mid-1980s, that Apple is evil. They still are. My $500.00 Oppo does
>>>> everything a $1,200.00 iPhone can.
>>>>
>>> As does my $390 Pixel 6a.
>>
>> **I just checked. My 64mp main camera is a beaut. The others (there's
>> 5 in total) ain't too shabby either. Bloody huge files though.
>>
> I know several people who have owned Oppo phones, most thought they are
> OK whilst one hated his so much he smashed to pieces when he couldn't
> get it to do what he wanted:-)
>
>

**well, you can't help morons.

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On 10/07/2023 5:21 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 10:43 pm, Daryl wrote:

>> I know several people who have owned Oppo phones, most thought they
>> are OK whilst one hated his so much he smashed to pieces when he
>> couldn't get it to do what he wanted:-)
>>
>>
>
> **well, you can't help morons.

That certainly seems to be the case judging by the number of Tesla's
being sold at the moment :)

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On 10/07/2023 5:21 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/07/2023 11:01 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> I'm done with them. HTC used to be my favourite brand and I had three
>> of those in a row with no problems at all. I only got a Samsung
>> because you couldn't buy HTC phones anymore and the wife was happy
>> with hers.
>>
>> So now it's a Pixel 7.
>>
>
> **Before you plonk your money down on a Pixel, check out Oppo. Very nice
> 'phones, at great prices. I'm on my second Oppo and could not be
> happier. Around 1/3rd the price of an equivalent Sammy.

I'll have a look, thanks.

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On 10/07/2023 7:38 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 10/07/2023 5:21 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/07/2023 10:43 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> I know several people who have owned Oppo phones, most thought they
>>> are OK whilst one hated his so much he smashed to pieces when he
>>> couldn't get it to do what he wanted:-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **well, you can't help morons.
>
> That certainly seems to be the case judging by the number of Tesla's
> being sold at the moment :)
>
>

**Have you driven one?

I haven't, but I've spoken to a couple of owners. They couldn't be
happier. One is on his second Tesla. Mainly because the resale was so
good and the newer model was better quality, quicker and had a bigger
battery.

So, it seems that with my very small sample size, that owners are happy
with their purchase. Which is more than I can say about almost every
Mercedes Benz owner I've met. Poor resale, poor reliability and just way
over-priced. And don't get me started on the dickhead sales people.

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2023 07:59:54 +1000, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>
> So, it seems that with my very small sample size, that owners are happy
> with their purchase. Which is more than I can say about almost every
> Mercedes Benz owner I've met.

And what sample size is that?

> Poor resale, poor reliability and just way
> over-priced.

I've had the A35 for three years now and it's had one electrical problem
(which put it on the back of the truck), and that's it. The only gripes I
have about it are, 1) The proprietry satnav is appalling and, 2) the Voice
Command system is a match with the SatNav and 3, the 'Comfort' drive mode
is terrible. Some gear changes make me think that somethings' run into the
back of the thing. Luckily this mode is very rarely employed.

And I'd dispute it was over-priced. Iirc, it was roughly the same price as
its two main rivals, the Audi S3 & the excessively chromed Kia Stinger
(3.3ltr). And a very quick look at Redbook shows that 'my' A35 has a
higher resale value than those two. Admittedly, there were sod all models
in there, but that fact is consistent with the sample sizes which are
regularly used in here. ie zero to one...

My model is a pretty good conveyance. It looks ok, goes and handles well
(especially since the Michelins went on), and has a delicious
crackle'n'pop on the exhaust when you're haveing a bit of fun. It's pretty
good, but I'm not considering another Merk as my next chariot.

> And don't get me started on the dickhead sales people.

I don't think they're dickheads. Just oily and devious.

alvey