On 12/07/2023 1:38 pm, Daryl wrote:

> Yep, I know quite a few people that work from home including my youngest
> and his girlfriend, the IT company he works for is based in Sydney as is
> the accounting company his girlfriend works for.

I spent the last 10 years of my career working from home, the other
members of the group that I worked with were split between the US and
Ireland. It depends on what you do, many jobs require a physical
presence and working from home requires a degree of self discipline and
not everybody has that.

On 12/07/2023 1:54 pm, Noddy wrote:

> There was a story in the paper the other day about how "Transport" in
> Australia makes up 15% of our total greenhouse emissions. Given that the
> country's total as a whole is 1.1% of the world total output, then our
> vehicle related emissions are absolutely fuck nothing and so
> ridiculously small that if Australia's total transport system magically
> ground to a complete halt tomorrow the effect that would have on the
> planet's well-being would be nil.

The point is that, if a rich country like Australia can't be bothered to
make changes, then why should any of the poorer and more polluting ones
do so? It's a case of being an example.

> It actually works in the company's favour, as people who work from home
> tend to spend more time at the "coal face" so to speak. The bonus, for
> the company at least, is reduced costs.

In return, you get flexibility, and savings in time and money, the best
deals benefit all parties.

On 12/07/2023 3:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/7/2023 1:54 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> It actually works in the company's favour, as people who work from
>> home tend to spend more time at the "coal face" so to speak. The
>> bonus, for the company at least, is reduced costs.
>>
> Certainly is a big cost reduction, my son is thinking of getting out of
> the factory he leases, he doesn't use the office space anymore, the
> office and sales staff work out of home so its just used for storage,
> much cheaper to rent a storage container and have his workers pickup the
> stock they need for each job from there, he could save up to $40k pa.

Thanks to Comrade Andrews blowing every cent this state has on his
totally useless "big build" projects, his government is looking at every
penny pinching scheme they can find including terminating leases on city
office buildings and making "work from home" a full time choice for some
staff.

That idiot Lord Mayor Sally Capp will hate it but a great many of the
Vic Government departments are in rented buildings and the government
wants out of their contracts.

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On 12/07/2023 5:14 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 1:54 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>> There was a story in the paper the other day about how "Transport" in
>> Australia makes up 15% of our total greenhouse emissions. Given that
>> the country's total as a whole is 1.1% of the world total output, then
>> our vehicle related emissions are absolutely fuck nothing and so
>> ridiculously small that if Australia's total transport system
>> magically ground to a complete halt tomorrow the effect that would
>> have on the planet's well-being would be nil.
>
> The point is that, if a rich country like Australia can't be bothered to
> make changes, then why should any of the poorer and more polluting ones
> do so? It's a case of being an example.

I would agree with that *if* we were a country that other people took
notice of, but we ain't. We're an insignificant little nation in the
arsehole end of the world that no one gives a crap about, and anything
we do here will have no impact on anyone else whatsoever.

It's not just the "poor" countries that are the problem, either. China,
India and the US could buy and sell us tomorrow, and as long as they
continue to put out more in a few days than we do in a year anything we
do here is a complete waste of time.

>> It actually works in the company's favour, as people who work from
>> home tend to spend more time at the "coal face" so to speak. The
>> bonus, for the company at least, is reduced costs.
>
> In return, you get flexibility, and savings in time and money, the best
> deals benefit all parties.

Indeed.

The wife saves around 250 bucks a week in parking fees and running
costs, and in exchange for that her employer gets an extra 3 hours or so
a day of her at her desk solving their problems.

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On 12/7/2023 5:14 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 1:54 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>> There was a story in the paper the other day about how "Transport" in
>> Australia makes up 15% of our total greenhouse emissions. Given that
>> the country's total as a whole is 1.1% of the world total output, then
>> our vehicle related emissions are absolutely fuck nothing and so
>> ridiculously small that if Australia's total transport system
>> magically ground to a complete halt tomorrow the effect that would
>> have on the planet's well-being would be nil.
>
> The point is that, if a rich country like Australia can't be bothered to
> make changes, then why should any of the poorer and more polluting ones
> do so? It's a case of being an example.

I agree but I also think that we don't need to be silly about it,
reducing pollution and improving the environment has to be a good thing
for everyone but we need to do it in way that doesn't destroy our way of
life in the process.

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On 12/7/2023 5:22 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 3:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/7/2023 1:54 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> It actually works in the company's favour, as people who work from
>>> home tend to spend more time at the "coal face" so to speak. The
>>> bonus, for the company at least, is reduced costs.
>>>
>> Certainly is a big cost reduction, my son is thinking of getting out
>> of the factory he leases, he doesn't use the office space anymore, the
>> office and sales staff work out of home so its just used for storage,
>> much cheaper to rent a storage container and have his workers pickup
>> the stock they need for each job from there, he could save up to $40k pa.
>
> Thanks to Comrade Andrews blowing every cent this state has on his
> totally useless "big build" projects, his government is looking at every
> penny pinching scheme they can find including terminating leases on city
> office buildings and making "work from home" a full time choice for some
> staff.
>
> That idiot Lord Mayor Sally Capp will hate it but a great many of the
> Vic Government departments are in rented buildings and the government
> wants out of their contracts.
>
>
LOL, sometimes its difficult to work out which of the Vic politicians is
the worst, generally Andrews is the winner but Capp is doing her best to
beat him.

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On 12/07/2023 3:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 10:19 am, Daryl wrote:

>>> **We'll see. Many city BEV owners charge their cars from rooftop Solar.
>>
>> Do they?
>
> **Sure do.
>
>> How do EV owners who use their cars for commuting in normal daytime
>> hours charge their cars?
>
> **I realise that the big city is different to Bumfuck Vic. Here in the
> big city most people use public transport to get to work, or they work
> from home. Sure, there are a lot of people who drive, but most don't.

Where do you get your numbers from, Trev? :)

>> OK for people who work from home but then they don't need any car let
>> alone a very expensive EV.
>
> **Most people need a car, some of the time. For me, a BEV would work
> just fine, most of the time. I work from home, but I do go out from time
> to time.

That's nice, but if your car use is as infrequent as you say, how would
an EV benefit you?

>> In theory they could charge their EV's from a battery at night that
>> was charged by solar during the day but to do that they would need a
>> very large solar system and a very large expensive battery, a system
>> big enough to both charge a battery and provide enough power to reduce
>> electricity bills is not cheap.
>
> **Your thinking arse about:
>
> https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/can-you-use-an-electric-vehicle-to-power-your-home-bi-directional-charging/
>
> Double the value of your BEV.

ROTFL :)

I can just imagine the kid staying up all night running the car battery
flat playing on his Xbox :)

>> My son told me just a couple of days ago that its not uncommon to be
>> installing solar and battery systems costing up to $60,000.
>
> **'Not uncommon' is not equivalent to 'common'. However, I don't know
> what kinds of costs are involved, as I haven't researched such things
> recently. Fortunately, costs are headed only one way - DOWN. Still you
> could use your BEV to run your home.

Could you? Really? How many kW a day does your home use, Trev?

>>
>> Whilst I'm in favor of solar and other renewables they are coming at a
>> cost, feed in tariffs are going down and they say its because there is
>> so much power coming from solar that during the day there is a surplus
>> of power, might be different on warm summer days when a lot of AC's
>> are running.
>
> **And the fact that the authorities have been sitting on their hands for
> the last decade (thanks to the COALition). Now the adults are in charge,
> I am hopeful that things will change. Here is one of the best ideas I've
> heard:
>
> https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/grants/neighbourhood-battery-initiative
>
> It may solve a host of problems.

The "Adults"? Do you mean Albanese the international traveller who is
racking up his frequent flyer points travelling around the globe shaking
hands with any miserable cunt that will give him the time of day while
his government back home does diddly fucking squat about cost of living
prices going through the roof?

Those adults you mean?

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On 12/07/2023 4:16 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 5:56 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 11/07/2023 7:47 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 11/07/2023 6:43 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> **That would depend on your metric. Clearly, quite a few Tesla
>>>> owners feel that they are decent value for money. Including one of
>>>> customers, who is on his second Tesla, which is garaged beside his,
>>>> slightly slower, Ferrari.
>>>
>>> Slightly slower? I suppose that, as you say, it depends on your
>>> metric, if it is 0-100 the the Tesla would likely win, put them on a
>>> race track and I doubt it. On a 1000km drive, the Ferrari would
>>> arrive hours earlier.
>>
>> **"Hours earlier"? I very much doubt that.
>
> How long does it take to recharge a Tesla?

From a normal 10amp power point? About 32 hours for a completely flat
battery. Over a thousand km race you'd prolly be looking at maybe 4 or 5
charges to cover the distance given the appalling low range of their
batteries when driven in "like I stole it" mode.

The Ferrari would be in another country by that time :)

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On 12/07/2023 3:15 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 12:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> Early days? The company has been around for 20 years and has been
>> making cars for most of that time.
>
> **Mercedes Benz has been around for more than 120 years and still builds
> some shockers. 20 years is an eyeblink for a startup.

2 decades Trevor. It's not like they're inventing new technology :)

>  It would be reasonable to consider them to
>> have well and truly past their "probationary period" by now, and if
>> they're not making quality car by this point in time then it's either
>> because they're incapable of doing so, or they simply don't want to.
>
> **I dunno about that. Growing pains and all.

So you're telling me that after 20 years in the business of making cars
they haven't been doing it long enough yet to get the quality control
problems sorted?

Seriously? :)

>  but that's a bit like saying cat shit and dog shit are
>> somewhat different, but at the end of the day they're still both shit.
>
> **Except that the Chinese built Teslas are as well built as any car I've
> seen outside Lexus.

Yeah, right. I think that your glasses are so rose coloured sometimes
that all you see is a red wall.

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On 12/07/2023 2:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/7/2023 3:46 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 9:57 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 12:25:37 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/07/2023 12:13 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 11/7/2023 10:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> **Now that is an idiotic thing to say. Tesla cars are not only
>>>>>> profitable, but they offer decent value for money.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did put a smiley at the end of my post but now you are being
>>>>> idiotic,
>>>>> nothing made by Tesla is "decent value for money".
>>>>
>>>> I agree. There is nothing that I can see in anything they make that
>>>> would go even remotely close to being considered "value for money".
>>>
>>> lol!
>>> Absolutely no one with an iq above that of a pipi would have written
>>> that.
>>>
>>
>>
>> How much did he blow on that slow and rough as guts deathtrap of a
>> "truck" of his?
>>
>> That alone makes any Tesla look like excellent value for money.
>>
> Which one? He has two deathtrap trucks!
>

Not the worthless scrap he painted all the suspension components on
(what a fucking whackjob) so his missus can go and collect garden
garbage but the "truck" someone else restored and he paid too much for
during COVID :-)

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On 12/07/2023 5:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/7/2023 5:22 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> That idiot Lord Mayor Sally Capp will hate it but a great many of the
>> Vic Government departments are in rented buildings and the government
>> wants out of their contracts.
>>
>>
> LOL, sometimes its difficult to work out which of the Vic politicians is
> the worst, generally Andrews is the winner but Capp is doing her best to
> beat him.

She's an utter fuckwit with a terminal attention seeking condition.

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Noddy.

On 12/7/2023 8:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 5:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/7/2023 5:22 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> That idiot Lord Mayor Sally Capp will hate it but a great many of the
>>> Vic Government departments are in rented buildings and the government
>>> wants out of their contracts.
>>>
>>>
>> LOL, sometimes its difficult to work out which of the Vic politicians
>> is the worst, generally Andrews is the winner but Capp is doing her
>> best to beat him.
>
> She's an utter fuckwit with a terminal attention seeking condition.
>
>
Know what you mean, its difficult to watch the TV news without seeing
her, good reason not to watch it.

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On 12/7/2023 5:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 3:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 10:19 am, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>> **We'll see. Many city BEV owners charge their cars from rooftop Solar.
>>>
>>> Do they?
>>
>> **Sure do.
>>
>>> How do EV owners who use their cars for commuting in normal daytime
>>> hours charge their cars?
>>
>> **I realise that the big city is different to Bumfuck Vic. Here in the
>> big city most people use public transport to get to work, or they work
>> from home. Sure, there are a lot of people who drive, but most don't.
>
> Where do you get your numbers from, Trev? :)
>
>>> OK for people who work from home but then they don't need any car let
>>> alone a very expensive EV.
>>
>> **Most people need a car, some of the time. For me, a BEV would work
>> just fine, most of the time. I work from home, but I do go out from
>> time to time.
>
> That's nice, but if your car use is as infrequent as you say, how would
> an EV benefit you?
>
>>> In theory they could charge their EV's from a battery at night that
>>> was charged by solar during the day but to do that they would need a
>>> very large solar system and a very large expensive battery, a system
>>> big enough to both charge a battery and provide enough power to
>>> reduce electricity bills is not cheap.
>>
>> **Your thinking arse about:
>>
>> https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/can-you-use-an-electric-vehicle-to-power-your-home-bi-directional-charging/
>>
>> Double the value of your BEV.
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> I can just imagine the kid staying up all night running the car battery
> flat playing on his Xbox :)

Even if that was possible which it isn't yet there might be a problem
when the car was needed the next morning and the battery was flat.
>
>>> My son told me just a couple of days ago that its not uncommon to be
>>> installing solar and battery systems costing up to $60,000.
>>
>> **'Not uncommon' is not equivalent to 'common'. However, I don't know
>> what kinds of costs are involved, as I haven't researched such things
>> recently. Fortunately, costs are headed only one way - DOWN. Still you
>> could use your BEV to run your home.
>
> Could you? Really? How many kW a day does your home use, Trev?
>
>

He would be able to tell you if he had a good solar system, my data is
accessible anytime via an app on my phone or on my computer.
For example today since it was sunny the system produced 31.8kWh, we
directly used 6.82kWh and imported 1.04kWh after the sun went down, the
rest, 29.04kWh, was exported to the grid.

"Tesla Model 3 battery size, range, and charging specs
The battery size for a brand-new 2023 Tesla Model 3 is either 50 kWh or
82 kWh, depending on the trim level: Single-motor Rear-Wheel Drive (RWD)
base trim: 50-kWh battery for 272-mile driving range; 8.5-hr charging
time at 220V/240V.9 May 2023"

If I had a Model 3 my larger than average solar system could take 2 days
in the winter to fully charge it assuming all its output just went into
the car, if it had the big battery option it might take nearly 3 days.
Of course less time on a sunny day in summer when the total produced can
sometimes be more than 80kWh.

>>>
>>> Whilst I'm in favor of solar and other renewables they are coming at
>>> a cost, feed in tariffs are going down and they say its because there
>>> is so much power coming from solar that during the day there is a
>>> surplus of power, might be different on warm summer days when a lot
>>> of AC's are running.
>>
>> **And the fact that the authorities have been sitting on their hands
>> for the last decade (thanks to the COALition). Now the adults are in
>> charge, I am hopeful that things will change. Here is one of the best
>> ideas I've heard:
>>
>> https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/grants/neighbourhood-battery-initiative
>>
>> It may solve a host of problems.

It may and I like the idea but it could also create other problem such
as where do you put the batteries?
Put them in a park and have people whinge about losing their parkland?
I doubt too many people would like a big battery in their front garden.

>
> The "Adults"? Do you mean Albanese the international traveller who is
> racking up his frequent flyer points travelling around the globe shaking
> hands with any miserable cunt that will give him the time of day while
> his government back home does diddly fucking squat about cost of living
> prices going through the roof?
>
> Those adults you mean?
>

LOL.
Just glad I don't have a mortgage.

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On 12/7/2023 6:53 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 2:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/7/2023 3:46 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 12/07/2023 9:57 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 11 Jul 2023 12:25:37 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/07/2023 12:13 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/7/2023 10:01 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Now that is an idiotic thing to say. Tesla cars are not only
>>>>>>> profitable, but they offer decent value for money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did put a smiley at the end of my post but now you are being
>>>>>> idiotic,
>>>>>> nothing made by Tesla is "decent value for money".
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. There is nothing that I can see in anything they make that
>>>>> would go even remotely close to being considered "value for money".
>>>>
>>>> lol!
>>>> Absolutely no one with an iq above that of a pipi would have written
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How much did he blow on that slow and rough as guts deathtrap of a
>>> "truck" of his?
>>>
>>> That alone makes any Tesla look like excellent value for money.
>>>
>> Which one? He has two deathtrap trucks!
>>
>
> Not the worthless scrap he painted all the suspension components on
> (what a fucking whackjob) so his missus can go and collect garden
> garbage but the "truck" someone else restored and he paid too much for
> during COVID :-)
>
Oh, ok, 3 deathtrap trucks then. I forgot about the scrapyard hack.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/7/2023 10:41 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/7/2023 5:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 3:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 12/07/2023 10:19 am, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>>> **We'll see. Many city BEV owners charge their cars from rooftop
>>>>> Solar.
>>>>
>>>> Do they?
>>>
>>> **Sure do.
>>>
>>>> How do EV owners who use their cars for commuting in normal daytime
>>>> hours charge their cars?
>>>
>>> **I realise that the big city is different to Bumfuck Vic. Here in
>>> the big city most people use public transport to get to work, or they
>>> work from home. Sure, there are a lot of people who drive, but most
>>> don't.
>>
>> Where do you get your numbers from, Trev? :)
>>
>>>> OK for people who work from home but then they don't need any car
>>>> let alone a very expensive EV.
>>>
>>> **Most people need a car, some of the time. For me, a BEV would work
>>> just fine, most of the time. I work from home, but I do go out from
>>> time to time.
>>
>> That's nice, but if your car use is as infrequent as you say, how
>> would an EV benefit you?
>>
>>>> In theory they could charge their EV's from a battery at night that
>>>> was charged by solar during the day but to do that they would need a
>>>> very large solar system and a very large expensive battery, a system
>>>> big enough to both charge a battery and provide enough power to
>>>> reduce electricity bills is not cheap.
>>>
>>> **Your thinking arse about:
>>>
>>> https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/can-you-use-an-electric-vehicle-to-power-your-home-bi-directional-charging/
>>>
>>> Double the value of your BEV.
>>
>> ROTFL :)
>>
>> I can just imagine the kid staying up all night running the car
>> battery flat playing on his Xbox :)
>
> Even if that was possible which it isn't yet there might be a problem
> when the car was needed the next morning and the battery was flat.

Please try to keep up.

https://www.makeuseof.com/electric-vehicles-bidirectional-charging/

And in Australia thus far;

https://thedriven.io/2023/02/03/mitsubishi-claims-australia-v2g-first-with-installation-of-bi-directional-chargers

>>
>>>> My son told me just a couple of days ago that its not uncommon to be
>>>> installing solar and battery systems costing up to $60,000.
>>>
>>> **'Not uncommon' is not equivalent to 'common'. However, I don't know
>>> what kinds of costs are involved, as I haven't researched such things
>>> recently. Fortunately, costs are headed only one way - DOWN. Still
>>> you could use your BEV to run your home.
>>
>> Could you? Really? How many kW a day does your home use, Trev?
>>
>>
>
> He would be able to tell you if he had a good solar system, my data is
> accessible anytime via an app on my phone or on my computer.
> For example today since it was sunny the system produced 31.8kWh, we
> directly used 6.82kWh and imported 1.04kWh after the sun went down, the
> rest, 29.04kWh, was exported to the grid.
>
> "Tesla Model 3 battery size, range, and charging specs
> The battery size for a brand-new 2023 Tesla Model 3 is either 50 kWh or
> 82 kWh, depending on the trim level: Single-motor Rear-Wheel Drive (RWD)
> base trim: 50-kWh battery for 272-mile driving range; 8.5-hr charging
> time at 220V/240V.9 May 2023"
>
> If I had a Model 3 my larger than average solar system could take 2 days
> in the winter to fully charge it assuming all its output just went into
> the car, if it had the big battery option it might take nearly 3 days.
> Of course less time on a sunny day in summer when the total produced can
> sometimes be more than 80kWh.

Most of the time, EV cars are just getting a top up, *not* a full
charge. If you had a model 3 and wanted a quick *full* charge, you would
simply rock on down to your nearest Tesla Supercharger (2km away from
me) and just do it. For every top up, the solar would be more than
adequate. You must be a concrete thinker like Darren.

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On 12/07/2023 5:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 3:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 10:19 am, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>> **We'll see. Many city BEV owners charge their cars from rooftop Solar.
>>>
>>> Do they?
>>
>> **Sure do.
>>
>>> How do EV owners who use their cars for commuting in normal daytime
>>> hours charge their cars?
>>
>> **I realise that the big city is different to Bumfuck Vic. Here in the
>> big city most people use public transport to get to work, or they work
>> from home. Sure, there are a lot of people who drive, but most don't.
>
> Where do you get your numbers from, Trev? :)
>
>>> OK for people who work from home but then they don't need any car let
>>> alone a very expensive EV.
>>
>> **Most people need a car, some of the time. For me, a BEV would work
>> just fine, most of the time. I work from home, but I do go out from
>> time to time.
>
> That's nice, but if your car use is as infrequent as you say, how would
> an EV benefit you?
>
>>> In theory they could charge their EV's from a battery at night that
>>> was charged by solar during the day but to do that they would need a
>>> very large solar system and a very large expensive battery, a system
>>> big enough to both charge a battery and provide enough power to
>>> reduce electricity bills is not cheap.
>>
>> **Your thinking arse about:
>>
>> https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/can-you-use-an-electric-vehicle-to-power-your-home-bi-directional-charging/
>>
>> Double the value of your BEV.
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> I can just imagine the kid staying up all night running the car battery
> flat playing on his Xbox :)
>
>>> My son told me just a couple of days ago that its not uncommon to be
>>> installing solar and battery systems costing up to $60,000.
>>
>> **'Not uncommon' is not equivalent to 'common'. However, I don't know
>> what kinds of costs are involved, as I haven't researched such things
>> recently. Fortunately, costs are headed only one way - DOWN. Still you
>> could use your BEV to run your home.
>
> Could you? Really? How many kW a day does your home use, Trev?
>
>
>>>
>>> Whilst I'm in favor of solar and other renewables they are coming at
>>> a cost, feed in tariffs are going down and they say its because there
>>> is so much power coming from solar that during the day there is a
>>> surplus of power, might be different on warm summer days when a lot
>>> of AC's are running.
>>
>> **And the fact that the authorities have been sitting on their hands
>> for the last decade (thanks to the COALition). Now the adults are in
>> charge, I am hopeful that things will change. Here is one of the best
>> ideas I've heard:
>>
>> https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/grants/neighbourhood-battery-initiative
>>
>> It may solve a host of problems.
>
> The "Adults"? Do you mean Albanese the international traveller who is
> racking up his frequent flyer points travelling around the globe shaking
> hands with any miserable cunt that will give him the time of day while
> his government back home does diddly fucking squat about cost of living
> prices going through the roof?
>
> Those adults you mean?

**I mean the adults who:

* Didn't invent an illegal scheme to suck money from those who had none
(and caused several to commit suicide). I hope several of the cunts end
up in jail.
* Have a PM who delegates authority to the relevant ministers, rather
than secretly assuming responsibility for those roles.
* Have brought about a federal anti-corruption body.
* Are attending to the very real problem of CO2 emissions.
* Do not defend child molesters and those who support them.
* Are not members of some weird shit religious group.
* Has managed a re-engagement with China.

Those adults. If you SERIOUSLY imagine that the 9 years of COALition
government was a good government, culminating in the disaster that was
the Morrison debacle then you have rocks in your head. The COALition has
given this nation the two worst PMs in our entire history - Abbott (hey
let's bring back Knighthoods and give one to Prince Philip) and
Morrison. I am very happy to see the climate change deniers booted out.
Ablo and his lot are far from perfect, but they are a whole lot better
than the useless bunch that preceded them.

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On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 13:54:11 +1000, Noddy wrote:

>
> There was a story in the paper the other day about how "Transport" in
> Australia makes up 15% of our total greenhouse emissions.

If you're going to quote someone Fraudster then you *must* provide a link
to the source. This is *especially* required of you due to your long and
unapologetic history of lying.

hth

alvey
"In 2022 our transport sector made up 19% of Australia’s emissions.

Passenger cars and light commercial vehicles alone contributed 60% of our
transport emissions and over 10% of Australia’s total emissions.

Without intervention, the transport sector is projected to be Australia’s
largest source of emissions by 2030."
https://www.dcceew.gov.au/energy/transport

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 15:29:49 +1000, Daryl wrote:

> On 12/7/2023 1:54 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>
>> That, to me at least, makes the idea of buying an EV make even *less*
>> sense.....
>>
>>
> Agree, they are just "feel good" purchases for greenies.

I used to think that maybe there was something wrong with a lot of people
who live in the country. I don't think it anymore...

alvey

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 17:31:14 +1000, Noddy wrote:

snip rattle of an idiot
>
> The wife saves around 250 bucks a week in parking fees and running
> costs, and in exchange for that her employer gets an extra 3 hours or so
> a day of her at her desk solving their problems.

"solving their problems" eh Fraudster.

So you're expanding your grandiosing universe to include her now. What's
next? Your kids' won a scholarship to Cambridge?

alvey

On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 17:33:58 +1000, Daryl wrote:

> On 12/7/2023 5:14 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 1:54 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> There was a story in the paper the other day about how "Transport" in
>>> Australia makes up 15% of our total greenhouse emissions. Given that
>>> the country's total as a whole is 1.1% of the world total output, then
>>> our vehicle related emissions are absolutely fuck nothing and so
>>> ridiculously small that if Australia's total transport system
>>> magically ground to a complete halt tomorrow the effect that would
>>> have on the planet's well-being would be nil.
>>
>> The point is that, if a rich country like Australia can't be bothered
>> to make changes, then why should any of the poorer and more polluting
>> ones do so? It's a case of being an example.
>
> I agree but I also think that we don't need to be silly about it,
> reducing pollution and improving the environment has to be a good thing
> for everyone but we need to do it in way that doesn't destroy our way of
> life in the process.

Nope. I can't think of how changing my cars fuel type for the better
"destroys our way of life". Anyone help me out here?

alvey

On 12/07/2023 10:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/7/2023 8:17 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 5:35 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 12/7/2023 5:22 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> That idiot Lord Mayor Sally Capp will hate it but a great many of
>>>> the Vic Government departments are in rented buildings and the
>>>> government wants out of their contracts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> LOL, sometimes its difficult to work out which of the Vic politicians
>>> is the worst, generally Andrews is the winner but Capp is doing her
>>> best to beat him.
>>
>> She's an utter fuckwit with a terminal attention seeking condition.
>>
>>
> Know what you mean, its difficult to watch the TV news without seeing
> her, good reason not to watch it.

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On 13/07/2023 5:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 5:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 12/07/2023 3:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 12/07/2023 10:19 am, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>>> **We'll see. Many city BEV owners charge their cars from rooftop
>>>>> Solar.
>>>>
>>>> Do they?
>>>
>>> **Sure do.
>>>
>>>> How do EV owners who use their cars for commuting in normal daytime
>>>> hours charge their cars?
>>>
>>> **I realise that the big city is different to Bumfuck Vic. Here in
>>> the big city most people use public transport to get to work, or they
>>> work from home. Sure, there are a lot of people who drive, but most
>>> don't.
>>
>> Where do you get your numbers from, Trev? :)
>>
>>>> OK for people who work from home but then they don't need any car
>>>> let alone a very expensive EV.
>>>
>>> **Most people need a car, some of the time. For me, a BEV would work
>>> just fine, most of the time. I work from home, but I do go out from
>>> time to time.
>>
>> That's nice, but if your car use is as infrequent as you say, how
>> would an EV benefit you?
>>
>>>> In theory they could charge their EV's from a battery at night that
>>>> was charged by solar during the day but to do that they would need a
>>>> very large solar system and a very large expensive battery, a system
>>>> big enough to both charge a battery and provide enough power to
>>>> reduce electricity bills is not cheap.
>>>
>>> **Your thinking arse about:
>>>
>>> https://www.energymatters.com.au/renewable-news/can-you-use-an-electric-vehicle-to-power-your-home-bi-directional-charging/
>>>
>>> Double the value of your BEV.
>>
>> ROTFL :)
>>
>> I can just imagine the kid staying up all night running the car
>> battery flat playing on his Xbox :)
>>
>>>> My son told me just a couple of days ago that its not uncommon to be
>>>> installing solar and battery systems costing up to $60,000.
>>>
>>> **'Not uncommon' is not equivalent to 'common'. However, I don't know
>>> what kinds of costs are involved, as I haven't researched such things
>>> recently. Fortunately, costs are headed only one way - DOWN. Still
>>> you could use your BEV to run your home.
>>
>> Could you? Really? How many kW a day does your home use, Trev?
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Whilst I'm in favor of solar and other renewables they are coming at
>>>> a cost, feed in tariffs are going down and they say its because
>>>> there is so much power coming from solar that during the day there
>>>> is a surplus of power, might be different on warm summer days when a
>>>> lot of AC's are running.
>>>
>>> **And the fact that the authorities have been sitting on their hands
>>> for the last decade (thanks to the COALition). Now the adults are in
>>> charge, I am hopeful that things will change. Here is one of the best
>>> ideas I've heard:
>>>
>>> https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/grants/neighbourhood-battery-initiative
>>>
>>> It may solve a host of problems.
>>
>> The "Adults"? Do you mean Albanese the international traveller who is
>> racking up his frequent flyer points travelling around the globe
>> shaking hands with any miserable cunt that will give him the time of
>> day while his government back home does diddly fucking squat about
>> cost of living prices going through the roof?
>>
>> Those adults you mean?
>
> **I mean the adults who:
>
> * Didn't invent an illegal scheme to suck money from those who had none
> (and caused several to commit suicide). I hope several of the cunts end
> up in jail.
> * Have a PM who delegates authority to the relevant ministers, rather
> than secretly assuming responsibility for those roles.
> * Have brought about a federal anti-corruption body.
> * Are attending to the very real problem of CO2 emissions.
> * Do not defend child molesters and those who support them.
> * Are not members of some weird shit religious group.
> * Has managed a re-engagement with China.
>
> Those adults. If you SERIOUSLY imagine that the 9 years of COALition
> government was a good government, culminating in the disaster that was
> the Morrison debacle then you have rocks in your head.

I never said that Trevor. That's *your* fantasy. What I'm saying to you
is that Albanese has been in a year now, and despite promising the world
has delivered *nothing* of substance. Power prices are going up 30% very
soon. Guess what he said he would do once he became Prime Minister?
> The COALition has given this nation the two worst PMs in our entire
history - Abbott (hey
> let's bring back Knighthoods and give one to Prince Philip) and Morrison.

There is absolutely no question that the *WORST* Prime Minister this
country has ever had, and by a very long way, was Julia Gillard. Abbott
was/is a complete fucking moron, but Gillard made him look like a Rhodes
Scholar. Inrteresting too that the public generally thought the same
thing, which is why he became Prime Minister.

Imagine the Labor party having *such* a low confidence vote amongst the
electorate that the people would rather have some imbecile like Tony
Abbott as Prime Minister rather than Gillard or Rudd :)

> I am very happy to see the climate change deniers booted out.

I'm sure you are, but then your view of the world seems to be a strange,
heavily blinkered one.

> Ablo and his lot are far from perfect, but they are a whole lot better
> than the useless bunch that preceded them.

Really? Happy about the "Voice" vote, are you?

For fuck's sake....

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On 12/07/2023 1:54 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 12/07/2023 1:38 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/7/2023 12:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Petrol prices will increase over that 5 years, of course, but even if
>>> they *doubled* in that time you *still* wouldn't hit the break even
>>> point where the PHEV became a cheaper option in the long run. Sound
>>> like a smart deal to you? It doesn't to me....
>>
>> Buying a BEV or even a PHEV is certainly not an economic decision, if
>> people have plenty of money to spend and are either just interested in
>> the tech or are greenies then good luck to them but for people who are
>> just getting by financially EV's don't make a lot of sense.
>
> Virtually none. Despite whatever feelings of environmental friendliness
> some buyers may have, they're doing jack shit to save the planet in any
> real terms.

**For now, maybe. As ICE cars are gradually legislated out of existence,
EVs will play a more significant role.

>
> There was a story in the paper the other day about how "Transport" in
> Australia makes up 15% of our total greenhouse emissions.

**I haven't checked, but that sounds about right.

Given that the
> country's total as a whole is 1.1% of the world total output, then our
> vehicle related emissions are absolutely fuck nothing and so
> ridiculously small that if Australia's total transport system magically
> ground to a complete halt tomorrow the effect that would have on the
> planet's well-being would be nil.

**Yeah, right. So, next time I do an oil change on the Stagea, I should
just dump the old oil into the river. After, 6 - 7 Litres of oil won't
make any damned difference. The real facts are more prosaic. If we take
Australia and all the other nations who emit less CO2 than we do, we
arrive at more than 50% of total world emissions. If we don't bother to
make changes, then why should anyone else. EVERYONE on this planet must
make changes to reduce emissions. That includes every American, every
Australian and every Chinese citizen. No exceptions.

>
> That, to me at least, makes the idea of buying an EV make even *less*
> sense.....

**It doesn't matter what YOU think. In a few years, the only vehicles
you will be able to buy (new) will be hybrids, BEVs or fuel cell ones.
Much like manual gearboxes, regular ICE cars are being legislated out of
existence.

>
>
>>> She's more than happy to do that and it works in her particular
>>> situation, but that working environment doesn't suit everyone. There
>>> would be a great many people who can't work from home for whatever
>>> reason, and the idea that the majority of people could charge their
>>> EV's during the day from solar is fanciful bullshit.
>>>
>>>
>> Yep, I know quite a few people that work from home including my
>> youngest and his girlfriend, the IT company he works for is based in
>> Sydney as is the accounting company his girlfriend works for.
>
> It actually works in the company's favour, as people who work from home
> tend to spend more time at the "coal face" so to speak. The bonus, for
> the company at least, is reduced costs.
>

**Indeed. Before my partner retired, I checked her at-home hours. She
spent at least an extra hour every day working for the man, compared to
when she had to travel to the city.

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On 13/07/2023 8:00 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> Much like manual gearboxes, regular ICE cars are being legislated out of
> existence.

Really? Manual gearboxes are illegal?

On 12/07/2023 10:41 pm, Daryl wrote:

> It may and I like the idea but it could also create other problem such
> as where do you put the batteries?
> Put them in a park and have people whinge about losing their parkland?
> I doubt too many people would like a big battery in their front garden.

Most suburbs are dotted around with transformers already. Just increase
the size of the box somewhat, it's the logical place to put the
batteries anyway.