On 6/10/2021 1:40 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 3:01 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 2:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> It would have using other methods too. The trick now is to prevent it
>>> happening again. Does the 3M kit include a post polish UV blocking
>>> product to prevent it recurring?
>>
>> **Not the specific 3M kit I have, but the kit I purchased some time
>> back does. I used it.
>
> I wouldn't waste too much time on it. There's not too many products that
> give adequate UV protection that lasts a lot longer than a couple of
> weeks once they're exposed to the elements. You're better off just using
> your polishing kit every 5 years or so :)
>
>
>
>
>

It won't last 5 years, if you're lucky it will last 12 months before you
need to do it again.

On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 2:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/10/21 2:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 11:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 2:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2021 1:37 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on his
>>>>>> headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30
>>>>>> minutes, because there was minimal difference. The 3M product
>>>>>> turned out a better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather
>>>>>> spend the extra, for a better result in MUCH less time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you use sandpaper with the Brasso?
>>>>
>>>> **Nope. Brasso™ is an abrasive. Neither did my mate. I thought the
>>>> results he got were excellent, but it took a long time. I thought
>>>> his results were excellent, until I finished using the 3M product on
>>>> mine. Much better.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Brasso is an abrasive and will work fine by itself - but it depends
>>> entirely on the level of sun damage. If it's just starting you can
>>> get away with brasso by itself but if it's quite bad wet sanding with
>>> fine sand paper is the go.
>>
>> Never seen one bad enough to require sand paper, and I have seen some
>> really bad ones over the years, the wife's previous car as a perfect
>> example. The Turtle Wax did a fine job on that.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brasso won't work on it's own. You have to micro-sand the plastic
>>>>> first just like you do with the 3M kit. The process is exactly the
>>>>> same, just using more commonly available products than what 3M supply.
>>>>
>>>> **And once more: I chose the 3M product because it appeared to be
>>>> the best product to do the job. The results are stunning. The
>>>> polycarb looks like new.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would have using other methods too. The trick now is to prevent it
>>> happening again. Does the 3M kit include a post polish UV blocking
>>> product to prevent it recurring?
>>
>> It should do. Most of the *restoration kits* seem to. The Turtle Wax
>> kit does so I'd presume the 3M kit is no different.
>>
>
> I've never needed to restore the headlights on any of my cars
>

Neither have I, avoided by driving cars with proper glass headlights ;-)

On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an hour
>> or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>
>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>
>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>
> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern cars
> I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to manufacture, but
> unfortunately it's not all that great when it comes to UV resistance.
> They just about all go dull after a while. Some quicker than others.
>
>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The only
>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow
>> grease (no drill required).
>>
>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M product
>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>
> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on the
> market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the ultra fine
> sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the polishing compound
> which is *very* mild.
>
> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>

Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking fraud
and mechanical incompetent.

Sheez.

On 6/10/21 6:06 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 1:40 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 3:01 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 2:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> It would have using other methods too. The trick now is to prevent
>>>> it happening again. Does the 3M kit include a post polish UV
>>>> blocking product to prevent it recurring?
>>>
>>> **Not the specific 3M kit I have, but the kit I purchased some time
>>> back does. I used it.
>>
>> I wouldn't waste too much time on it. There's not too many products
>> that give adequate UV protection that lasts a lot longer than a couple
>> of weeks once they're exposed to the elements. You're better off just
>> using your polishing kit every 5 years or so :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> It won't last 5 years, if you're lucky it will last 12 months before you
> need to do it again.
>
>
Yes, I've found 12 months is usually max.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/10/21 6:07 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 2:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 6/10/21 2:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:15 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2021 2:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/2021 1:37 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on
>>>>>>> his headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30
>>>>>>> minutes, because there was minimal difference. The 3M product
>>>>>>> turned out a better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather
>>>>>>> spend the extra, for a better result in MUCH less time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you use sandpaper with the Brasso?
>>>>>
>>>>> **Nope. Brasso™ is an abrasive. Neither did my mate. I thought the
>>>>> results he got were excellent, but it took a long time. I thought
>>>>> his results were excellent, until I finished using the 3M product
>>>>> on mine. Much better.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brasso is an abrasive and will work fine by itself - but it depends
>>>> entirely on the level of sun damage. If it's just starting you can
>>>> get away with brasso by itself but if it's quite bad wet sanding
>>>> with fine sand paper is the go.
>>>
>>> Never seen one bad enough to require sand paper, and I have seen some
>>> really bad ones over the years, the wife's previous car as a perfect
>>> example. The Turtle Wax did a fine job on that.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brasso won't work on it's own. You have to micro-sand the plastic
>>>>>> first just like you do with the 3M kit. The process is exactly the
>>>>>> same, just using more commonly available products than what 3M
>>>>>> supply.
>>>>>
>>>>> **And once more: I chose the 3M product because it appeared to be
>>>>> the best product to do the job. The results are stunning. The
>>>>> polycarb looks like new.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would have using other methods too. The trick now is to prevent
>>>> it happening again. Does the 3M kit include a post polish UV
>>>> blocking product to prevent it recurring?
>>>
>>> It should do. Most of the *restoration kits* seem to. The Turtle Wax
>>> kit does so I'd presume the 3M kit is no different.
>>>
>>
>> I've never needed to restore the headlights on any of my cars
>>
>
> Neither have I, avoided by driving cars with proper glass headlights ;-)
>
It's not the driving, it's the *parking*, where you leave the car
standing in sunlight day in, day out. My car doesn't have to suffer that.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 12:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an hour
>>> or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>
>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>
>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>
>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>
>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand.
>>> All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>
>>
>> how old is the car? they must have been bad to require such treatment.
>>
>
> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage for
> almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad as that
> which I've seen.

My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed cleaning, I
did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give them a light 5min
polish about every second time I wash the car.
I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the lens
after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the yellowing.

--
Daryl

On 6/10/21 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 12:31 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>
>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>
>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand.
>>>> All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>>
>>>
>>> how old is the car? they must have been bad to require such treatment.
>>>
>>
>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage for
>> almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad as that
>> which I've seen.
>
> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed cleaning, I
> did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give them a light 5min
> polish about every second time I wash the car.
> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the lens
> after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the yellowing.
>
That's the UV resistant coating, Brains! The *yellowing* is UV damage.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/10/2021 1:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 2:15 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 2:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 1:37 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>
>>>> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on his
>>>> headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30 minutes,
>>>> because there was minimal difference. The 3M product turned out a
>>>> better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather spend the
>>>> extra, for a better result in MUCH less time.
>>>
>>> Did you use sandpaper with the Brasso?
>>
>> **Nope. Brasso™ is an abrasive.
>
> *All* polishing compounds are abrasive Trevor. That's how they work. The
> 3M stuff you bought is abrasive too.
>
>> Neither did my mate. I thought the results he got were excellent, but
>> it took a long time. I thought his results were excellent, until I
>> finished using the 3M product on mine. Much better.
>
> Polishing polycarbonate plastic is like polishing automotive paint or
> most other materials. The reason why you use the sandpaper is to cut
> back the excess and keep the polishing time to a minimum. You don't have
> to use the sandpaper, but doing so significantly speeds up the process.
>
>>> Brasso won't work on it's own. You have to micro-sand the plastic
>>> first just like you do with the 3M kit. The process is exactly the
>>> same, just using more commonly available products than what 3M supply.
>>
>> **And once more: I chose the 3M product because it appeared to be the
>> best product to do the job. The results are stunning. The polycarb
>> looks like new.
>
> Yeah, I don't think you're quite getting what I'm saying. Let me put it
> another way: Use the 5000grit paper and Brasso liquid (that's the
> *liquid*, not the paste), and your results will be just as stunning.
>
>

Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work at all.

On 10/6/2021 1:37 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>
>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>
>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>
>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it comes
>> to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while. Some
>> quicker than others.
>>
>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>
>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand.
>>> All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>
>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on the
>> market, and they all work pretty well.
>
> **Before I chose the 3M kit, I did a fair bit of research. The thing
> that stood out with the 3M kit is that I was able to use a
> drill/driver and that tests performed by some people on-line
> demonstrated that the abrasives supplied by 3M do not clog as easily
> as other brands. One reviewer tested around 10 different kits on
> pre-damaged polycarb sheets. He did some macro photography on the
> final result and it was very clear that the 3M and Sylvania kits
> delivered results that were head and shoulders above all the other
> kits tested. I concur. The 3M kit comfortably exceeded my expectations.
>
>  The key element is the ultra fine
>> sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the polishing
>> compound which is *very* mild.
>>
>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>
> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on his
> headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30 minutes,
> because there was minimal difference. The 3M product turned out a
> better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather spend the extra,
> for a better result in MUCH less time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Jif does an excellent job. Also good for getting scratched CD`s
working again.

--
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difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." — Gene
Spafford, 1992

On 6/10/2021 8:51 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/6/2021 1:37 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>
>> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on his
>> headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30 minutes,
>> because there was minimal difference. The 3M product turned out a
>> better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather spend the extra,
>> for a better result in MUCH less time.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  Jif does an excellent job. Also good for getting scratched CD`s
> working again.

Jif can work okay, but it can be a bit harsh if you're using a machine.
The cutting compound Trevor got in his kit is fine, as is liquid Brasso
or any of the ultra fine car paint "second stage" cutting compounds.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage for
>> almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad as that
>> which I've seen.
>
> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed cleaning, I
> did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give them a light 5min
> polish about every second time I wash the car.
> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the lens
> after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the yellowing.

There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised as
both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay at
keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think they do
jack shit against the sun :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 6/10/2021 8:51 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/6/2021 1:37 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>
>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>
>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it comes
>>> to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while. Some
>>> quicker than others.
>>>
>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>> bottle of water.
>>>
>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>> the market, and they all work pretty well.
>>
>> **Before I chose the 3M kit, I did a fair bit of research. The thing
>> that stood out with the 3M kit is that I was able to use a
>> drill/driver and that tests performed by some people on-line
>> demonstrated that the abrasives supplied by 3M do not clog as easily
>> as other brands. One reviewer tested around 10 different kits on
>> pre-damaged polycarb sheets. He did some macro photography on the
>> final result and it was very clear that the 3M and Sylvania kits
>> delivered results that were head and shoulders above all the other
>> kits tested. I concur. The 3M kit comfortably exceeded my expectations.
>>
>>  The key element is the ultra fine
>>> sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the polishing
>>> compound which is *very* mild.
>>>
>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>
>> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on his
>> headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30 minutes,
>> because there was minimal difference. The 3M product turned out a
>> better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather spend the extra,
>> for a better result in MUCH less time.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  Jif does an excellent job. Also good for getting scratched CD`s
> working again.
>
>

if you cared for them properly they wouldn't be scratched

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage for
>>> almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad as that
>>> which I've seen.
>>
>> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed cleaning,
>> I did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give them a light
>> 5min polish about every second time I wash the car.
>> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the lens
>> after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the yellowing.
>
> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised as
> both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay at
> keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think they do
> jack shit against the sun :)
>
You think? Nah, you don't think! Have you tried one of those films? No?
Done any form of testing? No empirical testing but you feel *qualified*
to pass judgement. Here's a tip for you Darren, your comment is nothing
more than opinion and uninformed biased opinion at that.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/10/2021 6:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 8:51 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/6/2021 1:37 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>
>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>
>>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>>>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it comes
>>>> to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while. Some
>>>> quicker than others.
>>>>
>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>>> bottle of water.
>>>>
>>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>>> the market, and they all work pretty well.
>>>
>>> **Before I chose the 3M kit, I did a fair bit of research. The thing
>>> that stood out with the 3M kit is that I was able to use a
>>> drill/driver and that tests performed by some people on-line
>>> demonstrated that the abrasives supplied by 3M do not clog as easily
>>> as other brands. One reviewer tested around 10 different kits on
>>> pre-damaged polycarb sheets. He did some macro photography on the
>>> final result and it was very clear that the 3M and Sylvania kits
>>> delivered results that were head and shoulders above all the other
>>> kits tested. I concur. The 3M kit comfortably exceeded my expectations.
>>>
>>>  The key element is the ultra fine
>>>> sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the polishing
>>>> compound which is *very* mild.
>>>>
>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>
>>> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on his
>>> headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30 minutes,
>>> because there was minimal difference. The 3M product turned out a
>>> better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather spend the extra,
>>> for a better result in MUCH less time.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  Jif does an excellent job. Also good for getting scratched CD`s
>> working again.
>>
>>
>
> if you cared for them properly they wouldn't be scratched
>

He picks them out from the garbage at the tip.

On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage for
>>> almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad as that
>>> which I've seen.
>>
>> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed cleaning,
>> I did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give them a light
>> 5min polish about every second time I wash the car.
>> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the lens
>> after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the yellowing.
>
> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised as
> both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay at
> keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think they do
> jack shit against the sun :)
>
>
>
It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
polish occasionally.

--
Daryl

On 10/6/2021 11:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage
>>>> for almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad as
>>>> that which I've seen.
>>>
>>> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed
>>> cleaning, I did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give
>>> them a light 5min polish about every second time I wash the car.
>>> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the
>>> lens after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the
>>> yellowing.
>>
>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised
>> as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay
>> at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think
>> they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>
>>
>>
> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
> polish occasionally.

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 No probs' here, have glass headlights. ;)

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On 10/6/2021 9:30 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 8:51 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/6/2021 1:37 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did.
>>>>> I refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>
>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>
>>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>>>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it
>>>> comes to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while.
>>>> Some quicker than others.
>>>>
>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>>> bottle of water.
>>>>
>>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>>> the market, and they all work pretty well.
>>>
>>> **Before I chose the 3M kit, I did a fair bit of research. The thing
>>> that stood out with the 3M kit is that I was able to use a
>>> drill/driver and that tests performed by some people on-line
>>> demonstrated that the abrasives supplied by 3M do not clog as easily
>>> as other brands. One reviewer tested around 10 different kits on
>>> pre-damaged polycarb sheets. He did some macro photography on the
>>> final result and it was very clear that the 3M and Sylvania kits
>>> delivered results that were head and shoulders above all the other
>>> kits tested. I concur. The 3M kit comfortably exceeded my expectations.
>>>
>>>  The key element is the ultra fine
>>>> sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the polishing
>>>> compound which is *very* mild.
>>>>
>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>
>>> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on his
>>> headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30 minutes,
>>> because there was minimal difference. The 3M product turned out a
>>> better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather spend the
>>> extra, for a better result in MUCH less time.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  Jif does an excellent job. Also good for getting scratched CD`s
>> working again.
>>
>>
>
> if you cared for them properly they wouldn't be scratched

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     Ponder this:

      *Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be *thought* a fool,
than to speak and *remove all doubt**.

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On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>
>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>
>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>
>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it comes
>> to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while. Some
>> quicker than others.
>>
>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>
>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand.
>>> All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>
>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on the
>> market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the ultra
>> fine sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the polishing
>> compound which is *very* mild.
>>
>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>
>
>
> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking fraud
> and mechanical incompetent.
>
> Sheez.

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  Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>

  BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.

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On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>
>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>
>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it comes
>>> to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while. Some
>>> quicker than others.
>>>
>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>> bottle of water.
>>>
>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>> the market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the
>>> ultra fine sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the
>>> polishing compound which is *very* mild.
>>>
>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking fraud
>> and mechanical incompetent.
>>
>> Sheez.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>
>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.
>
>

brasso is not a polycarbonate finish as clocky said. it's not a
polycarbonate polish either, even tho used for that purpose. it's a
brass cleaner and polish.

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On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:

>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking fraud
>> and mechanical incompetent.
>>
>> Sheez.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>
>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.

God it's a fucking imbecile. It can't even *read* properly. No one said
a fucking *word* about Brasso being a "polycarbonate finish". Brasso is
a metal polish, but like many polishes it works well on a number of
different materials and one of those happens to be Polycarbonate plastic
which is the exact material that most modern headlights are made of and
which is the very thing being discussed in this thread.

For fuck's sake. This bloke is a fucking *moron*, and anyone who was
stupid enough to think that the plastic film in laminated windscreens is
on the *outside* should just shut the fuck up and appreciate that trying
to tell anyone else "how shit works" is just *way* above their pay grade.

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On 6/10/2021 11:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised
>> as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay at
>> keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think they
>> do jack shit against the sun :)
>>
>>
>>
> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
> polish occasionally.

I haven't come across the need to do it on any of my own cars, but have
seen plenty of others that need attention.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 7/10/21 12:38 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/6/2021 11:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage
>>>>> for almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad as
>>>>> that which I've seen.
>>>>
>>>> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed
>>>> cleaning, I did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give
>>>> them a light 5min polish about every second time I wash the car.
>>>> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the
>>>> lens after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the
>>>> yellowing.
>>>
>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised
>>> as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay
>>> at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think
>>> they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>> polish occasionally.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  No probs' here, have glass headlights. ;)
>
>
No problems with yellowing but stones break glass, poly carbonate
absorbs the impact so are much less likely to break, pros and cons for
both types.

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On 7/10/21 2:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 11:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised
>>> as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay
>>> at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think
>>> they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>> polish occasionally.
>
> I haven't come across the need to do it on any of my own cars, but have
> seen plenty of others that need attention.
>
>
>
The newer the car the less there seems to be an issue, our 2015 WRX and
2016 Golf never showed any signs of their headlamps discoloring.

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On 7/10/2021 1:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 11:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised
>>> as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay
>>> at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think
>>> they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>> polish occasionally.
>
> I haven't come across the need to do it on any of my own cars, but have
> seen plenty of others that need attention.

I've found that the stuff sold as headlight polish works well on the
back window of the MX5.

On Thu, 7 Oct 2021 14:40:37 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking fraud
>>> and mechanical incompetent.
>>>
>>> Sheez.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>>
>>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.
>
> God it's a fucking imbecile. It can't even *read* properly.

Given your poor expression that's *very* debateable. Now if you want an
unarguable example of a "fucking imbecile" who *definitely* can't read...

alvey: howabout some proof of your recent claim to have bought on the
Sunshine Coast?

Der Der: Just to clue you in, and give you something to punch yourself in
the head about as we all know how you love to do that :), I didn't recently
buy anything on the Sunshine coast and never said I did.

alvey: Goodo! Neither did I. I said; "...howabout some proof of your recent
claim...". That'd be "recent claim" Knobb, not "recently buy".

Buffoon.

alvey
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