On 11/10/2021 7:53 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 2:04 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an hour or
>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>
>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>
>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>
>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The only
>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow grease
>>> (no drill required).
>>>
>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M product
>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>
>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>
>
> **Maybe for a pro, but not for a home printer. Polycarb printing is very
> difficult to get right and requires a high end printer.

Injection molding is how they're made.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 9/10/2021 11:04 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an hour or
>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>
>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>
>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>
>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The only
>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow grease
>> (no drill required).
>>
>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M product
>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>
> What a great project for a 3D printer. New lenses for old.
>

Cost of equipment and printed polycarbonate not being clear are two
reasons it's not really viable.

On 11/10/2021 8:13 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 11:04 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an hour or
>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>
>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>
>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>
>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The only
>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow grease
>>> (no drill required).
>>>
>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M product
>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>
>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>
>
> Cost of equipment and printed polycarbonate not being clear are two
> reasons it's not really viable.
>

I should add for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but it's
expensive.

On 11/10/2021 6:11 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 7:53 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 2:04 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>> hour or
>>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>
>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>
>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The only
>>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow
>>>> grease
>>>> (no drill required).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M product
>>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>>
>>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>>
>>
>> **Maybe for a pro, but not for a home printer. Polycarb printing is
>> very difficult to get right and requires a high end printer.
>
> Injection molding is how they're made.
>

Thanks captain obvious, but the conversation is about printing and
Trevor is correct.

On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic
>>>> of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may not be
>>>> effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't tell you as I
>>>> don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell you is that the
>>>> current liquid variety is *very* effective as a plastic polish, and
>>>> unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the irrelevant screaming I can
>>>> tell you that from experience :)
>>>>
>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like utter
>>>> spastics, do they? :)
>>>
>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so would
>>> Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard you want to
>>> rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate across the road
>>> sells second hand parts, and is forever coming over and "can i have a
>>> bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use to trick up fibreglass
>>> flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your headlights
>>> cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly abrasive, inc
>>> Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz mentioned Jif. Maybe a bit
>>> harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont see an issue with that. If it
>>> cleans 'em , then jobs done. Maybe do it again in 2-3 years time? So
>>> what?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>
> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when machine
> polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>
Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren? Both Brasso and
toothpaste are abrasive. The polish up the surface and, in doing so,
remove the top discoloured layer, the layer that has been affected by UV
radiation. That original top layer had a fair degree of UV protection
built into it but, once you abrade that surface, you remove the UV
resistant layer. Sure, you can polish the surface and return the lens to
its original clarity, but you cannot rejuvenate the UV resistant surface
by using Brasso or toothpaste. On the other hand, fit for purpose
headlight lens cleaners have a *UV resistant sealer* as part of their
makeup. Like this one;

https://www.sparesbox.com.au/part/turtle-wax-headlight-cleaner-and-sealant-266ml-t43

Of course you might not want to continually abrade the surface in order
to reapply the UV sealant component. For that, you will use just a UV
sealant on a regular basis.

Better yet though, why not simply use a *Headlight Protector*? As well
as protection from impact damage, headlight protectors offer enhanced UV
protection as well and they are much cheaper and easier to replace than
the headlights themselves.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/10/2021 10:18 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 8:13 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 11:04 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>> hour or
>>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>
>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>
>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The only
>>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow
>>>> grease
>>>> (no drill required).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M product
>>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>>
>>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>>
>>
>> Cost of equipment and printed polycarbonate not being clear are two
>> reasons it's not really viable.
>>
>
> I should add for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but it's
> expensive.

The average hone printer isn't going to print anything that large and
the finish wouldn't be anywhere near good enough.

On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic
>>>>> of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may not be
>>>>> effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't tell you as
>>>>> I don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell you is that the
>>>>> current liquid variety is *very* effective as a plastic polish,
>>>>> and unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the irrelevant screaming I
>>>>> can tell you that from experience :)
>>>>>
>>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like
>>>>> utter spastics, do they? :)
>>>>
>>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so would
>>>> Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard you want
>>>> to rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate across the
>>>> road sells second hand parts, and is forever coming over and "can i
>>>> have a bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use to trick up
>>>> fibreglass flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your
>>>> headlights cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly
>>>> abrasive, inc Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz mentioned
>>>> Jif. Maybe a bit harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont see an issue
>>>> with that. If it cleans 'em , then jobs done. Maybe do it again in
>>>> 2-3 years time? So what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>>
>> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when machine
>> polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>>
> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?

exactly. but that's what noddies do I guess  :)

> Both Brasso and toothpaste are abrasive. The polish up the surface
> and, in doing so, remove the top discoloured layer, the layer that has
> been affected by UV radiation. That original top layer had a fair
> degree of UV protection built into it but, once you abrade that
> surface, you remove the UV resistant layer. Sure, you can polish the
> surface and return the lens to its original clarity, but you cannot
> rejuvenate the UV resistant surface by using Brasso or toothpaste. On
> the other hand, fit for purpose headlight lens cleaners have a *UV
> resistant sealer* as part of their makeup. Like this one;
>
> https://www.sparesbox.com.au/part/turtle-wax-headlight-cleaner-and-sealant-266ml-t43
>
>
> Of course you might not want to continually abrade the surface in
> order to reapply the UV sealant component. For that, you will use just
> a UV sealant on a regular basis.
>
> Better yet though, why not simply use a *Headlight Protector*? As well
> as protection from impact damage, headlight protectors offer enhanced
> UV protection as well and they are much cheaper and easier to replace
> than the headlights themselves.
>

i wouldn't use them. they used to be fairly common in the days of flat
faced glass headlights mainly for protection from stones being thown up
and breaking the glass. but I don't think there's many available now for
the current wide variety of shapes and designs, unless maybe some from
car manufacturers for specific models

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/10/2021 9:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 10:18 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 8:13 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 11:04 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>> hour or
>>>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>
>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The only
>>>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow
>>>>> grease
>>>>> (no drill required).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M product
>>>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>>>
>>>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cost of equipment and printed polycarbonate not being clear are two
>>> reasons it's not really viable.
>>>
>>
>> I should add for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but
>> it's expensive.
>
> The average hone printer isn't going to print anything that large and
> the finish wouldn't be anywhere near good enough.

Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said, that's it's
not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive equipment.

On 11/10/21 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic
>>>>>> of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may not be
>>>>>> effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't tell you as
>>>>>> I don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell you is that the
>>>>>> current liquid variety is *very* effective as a plastic polish,
>>>>>> and unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the irrelevant screaming I
>>>>>> can tell you that from experience :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like
>>>>>> utter spastics, do they? :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so would
>>>>> Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard you want
>>>>> to rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate across the
>>>>> road sells second hand parts, and is forever coming over and "can i
>>>>> have a bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use to trick up
>>>>> fibreglass flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your
>>>>> headlights cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly
>>>>> abrasive, inc Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz mentioned
>>>>> Jif. Maybe a bit harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont see an issue
>>>>> with that. If it cleans 'em , then jobs done. Maybe do it again in
>>>>> 2-3 years time? So what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>>>
>>> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when machine
>>> polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>>>
>> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?
>
> exactly. but that's what noddies do I guess  :)

I'd be concerned about the acidic substances in Brasso and their effect
on polycarbonate plastics.
>
>
>> Both Brasso and toothpaste are abrasive. The polish up the surface
>> and, in doing so, remove the top discoloured layer, the layer that has
>> been affected by UV radiation. That original top layer had a fair
>> degree of UV protection built into it but, once you abrade that
>> surface, you remove the UV resistant layer. Sure, you can polish the
>> surface and return the lens to its original clarity, but you cannot
>> rejuvenate the UV resistant surface by using Brasso or toothpaste. On
>> the other hand, fit for purpose headlight lens cleaners have a *UV
>> resistant sealer* as part of their makeup. Like this one;
>>
>> https://www.sparesbox.com.au/part/turtle-wax-headlight-cleaner-and-sealant-266ml-t43
>>
>>
>> Of course you might not want to continually abrade the surface in
>> order to reapply the UV sealant component. For that, you will use just
>> a UV sealant on a regular basis.
>>
>> Better yet though, why not simply use a *Headlight Protector*? As well
>> as protection from impact damage, headlight protectors offer enhanced
>> UV protection as well and they are much cheaper and easier to replace
>> than the headlights themselves.
>>
>
> i wouldn't use them. they used to be fairly common in the days of flat

This current Toyota is the first one where I didn't option them in at
purchase. Not a real necessity since my beast is garaged most of the
time. Not a lot of UV damage likely in the garage. ;-)

> faced glass headlights mainly for protection from stones being thown up
> and breaking the glass. but I don't think there's many available now for
> the current wide variety of shapes and designs, unless maybe some from
> car manufacturers for specific models
>
>
I was thinking of the manufacturer specific ones, as you would get as
factory accessories but you could also include decent aftermarket
protectors as well.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 10/11/2021 12:53 PM, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 9:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 10:18 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 8:13 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 11:04 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>>> hour or
>>>>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>>>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow
>>>>>> grease
>>>>>> (no drill required).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>> product
>>>>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>>>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cost of equipment and printed polycarbonate not being clear are two
>>>> reasons it's not really viable.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I should add for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but
>>> it's expensive.
>>
>> The average hone printer isn't going to print anything that large and
>> the finish wouldn't be anywhere near good enough.
>
> Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said, that's it's
> not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive equipment.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  Nope, *you said* "I should add for the average home hobby printer, it
is possible but it's expensive."

     Then there`s this:

       "Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said,
that's it's not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive
equipment"..

   Two entirely *different* scenarios. you`re getting better at
goalpost shifting than xenokryp..

       Keef O' paradox eh??. Hahaha.  Won`t fly shitfer. <FBG>

--
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea. Massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." — Gene
Spafford, 1992

On 11/10/2021 1:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/10/21 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>>>>> topic of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may
>>>>>>> not be effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't
>>>>>>> tell you as I don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell
>>>>>>> you is that the current liquid variety is *very* effective as a
>>>>>>> plastic polish, and unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the
>>>>>>> irrelevant screaming I can tell you that from experience :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like
>>>>>>> utter spastics, do they? :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so
>>>>>> would Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard
>>>>>> you want to rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate
>>>>>> across the road sells second hand parts, and is forever coming
>>>>>> over and "can i have a bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use to
>>>>>> trick up fibreglass flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>>>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>>>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>>>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your
>>>>>> headlights cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly
>>>>>> abrasive, inc Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz mentioned
>>>>>> Jif. Maybe a bit harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont see an issue
>>>>>> with that. If it cleans 'em , then jobs done. Maybe do it again
>>>>>> in 2-3 years time? So what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>>>>
>>>> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when machine
>>>> polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>>>>
>>> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?
>>
>> exactly. but that's what noddies do I guess  :)
>
> I'd be concerned about the acidic substances in Brasso and their
> effect on polycarbonate plastics.

I'd be concerned about him working on my car period!  :)

>>
>>
>>> Both Brasso and toothpaste are abrasive. The polish up the surface
>>> and, in doing so, remove the top discoloured layer, the layer that
>>> has been affected by UV radiation. That original top layer had a
>>> fair degree of UV protection built into it but, once you abrade that
>>> surface, you remove the UV resistant layer. Sure, you can polish the
>>> surface and return the lens to its original clarity, but you cannot
>>> rejuvenate the UV resistant surface by using Brasso or toothpaste.
>>> On the other hand, fit for purpose headlight lens cleaners have a
>>> *UV resistant sealer* as part of their makeup. Like this one;
>>>
>>> https://www.sparesbox.com.au/part/turtle-wax-headlight-cleaner-and-sealant-266ml-t43
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course you might not want to continually abrade the surface in
>>> order to reapply the UV sealant component. For that, you will use
>>> just a UV sealant on a regular basis.
>>>
>>> Better yet though, why not simply use a *Headlight Protector*? As
>>> well as protection from impact damage, headlight protectors offer
>>> enhanced UV protection as well and they are much cheaper and easier
>>> to replace than the headlights themselves.
>>>
>>
>> i wouldn't use them. they used to be fairly common in the days of flat
>
> This current Toyota is the first one where I didn't option them in at
> purchase. Not a real necessity since my beast is garaged most of the
> time. Not a lot of UV damage likely in the garage.  ;-)

oh i dunno. what about the lighting you have for those strange looking
plants growing there  :)

>
>> faced glass headlights mainly for protection from stones being thown
>> up and breaking the glass. but I don't think there's many available
>> now for the current wide variety of shapes and designs, unless maybe
>> some from car manufacturers for specific models
>>
>>
> I was thinking of the manufacturer specific ones, as you would get as
> factory accessories but you could also include decent aftermarket
> protectors as well.
>

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/10/2021 11:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 1:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/10/21 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>>>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>>>>>> topic of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may
>>>>>>>> not be effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't
>>>>>>>> tell you as I don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell
>>>>>>>> you is that the current liquid variety is *very* effective as a
>>>>>>>> plastic polish, and unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the
>>>>>>>> irrelevant screaming I can tell you that from experience :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like
>>>>>>>> utter spastics, do they? :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so
>>>>>>> would Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard
>>>>>>> you want to rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate
>>>>>>> across the road sells second hand parts, and is forever coming
>>>>>>> over and "can i have a bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use to
>>>>>>> trick up fibreglass flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>>>>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>>>>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>>>>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your
>>>>>>> headlights cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly
>>>>>>> abrasive, inc Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz mentioned
>>>>>>> Jif. Maybe a bit harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont see an issue
>>>>>>> with that. If it cleans 'em , then jobs done. Maybe do it again
>>>>>>> in 2-3 years time? So what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when machine
>>>>> polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>>>>>
>>>> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?
>>>
>>> exactly. but that's what noddies do I guess  :)
>>
>> I'd be concerned about the acidic substances in Brasso and their
>> effect on polycarbonate plastics.
>
>
> I'd be concerned about him working on my car period!  :)

There is that... but the real problem is that if something went wrong
with the product or through something he fucked up by
accident/ignorance/incompetence you wouldn't know if he's telling the
truth or simply throwing something or someone under a bus rather than
accept personal responsibility.

You can *never* trust a compulsive liar and well, his own words condemn him.

On 11/10/2021 1:27 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/11/2021 12:53 PM, Clocky wrote:

>> Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said, that's it's
>> not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive equipment.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>   Nope, *you said* "I should add for the average home hobby printer, it
> is possible but it's expensive."
>
>      Then there`s this:
>
>        "Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said,
> that's it's not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive
> equipment"..
>
>    Two entirely *different* scenarios. you`re getting better at
> goalpost shifting than xenokryp..
>
>        Keef O' paradox eh??. Hahaha.  Won`t fly shitfer. <FBG>

He's good at that. It's like when Clasener first threw around that "you
deleted them" nonsense after he'd bullshitted himself into a corner, and
after a while when people questioned it Jerky jumped on the bandwagon
(as he usually does) and declared "I'd like to see if there were any
deleted posts".

Of course there never was, which was something a "tech guru" like Jerky
should have been able to work out in five minutes, but after it became
clear enough even for *him* to realise that Clasener was talking out of
his arse he changed his tune in saying "I said I didn't think there were
any deleted posts"

:)

He's *such* a fucking wanker :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 11/10/21 2:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 1:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/10/21 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>>>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>>>>>> topic of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may
>>>>>>>> not be effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't
>>>>>>>> tell you as I don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell
>>>>>>>> you is that the current liquid variety is *very* effective as a
>>>>>>>> plastic polish, and unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the
>>>>>>>> irrelevant screaming I can tell you that from experience :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like
>>>>>>>> utter spastics, do they? :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so
>>>>>>> would Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard
>>>>>>> you want to rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate
>>>>>>> across the road sells second hand parts, and is forever coming
>>>>>>> over and "can i have a bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use to
>>>>>>> trick up fibreglass flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>>>>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>>>>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>>>>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your
>>>>>>> headlights cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly
>>>>>>> abrasive, inc Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz mentioned
>>>>>>> Jif. Maybe a bit harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont see an issue
>>>>>>> with that. If it cleans 'em , then jobs done. Maybe do it again
>>>>>>> in 2-3 years time? So what?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when machine
>>>>> polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>>>>>
>>>> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?
>>>
>>> exactly. but that's what noddies do I guess  :)
>>
>> I'd be concerned about the acidic substances in Brasso and their
>> effect on polycarbonate plastics.
>
>
> I'd be concerned about him working on my car period!  :)
>
I'm not concerned - that can *never* happen.
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Both Brasso and toothpaste are abrasive. The polish up the surface
>>>> and, in doing so, remove the top discoloured layer, the layer that
>>>> has been affected by UV radiation. That original top layer had a
>>>> fair degree of UV protection built into it but, once you abrade that
>>>> surface, you remove the UV resistant layer. Sure, you can polish the
>>>> surface and return the lens to its original clarity, but you cannot
>>>> rejuvenate the UV resistant surface by using Brasso or toothpaste.
>>>> On the other hand, fit for purpose headlight lens cleaners have a
>>>> *UV resistant sealer* as part of their makeup. Like this one;
>>>>
>>>> https://www.sparesbox.com.au/part/turtle-wax-headlight-cleaner-and-sealant-266ml-t43
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course you might not want to continually abrade the surface in
>>>> order to reapply the UV sealant component. For that, you will use
>>>> just a UV sealant on a regular basis.
>>>>
>>>> Better yet though, why not simply use a *Headlight Protector*? As
>>>> well as protection from impact damage, headlight protectors offer
>>>> enhanced UV protection as well and they are much cheaper and easier
>>>> to replace than the headlights themselves.
>>>>
>>>
>>> i wouldn't use them. they used to be fairly common in the days of flat
>>
>> This current Toyota is the first one where I didn't option them in at
>> purchase. Not a real necessity since my beast is garaged most of the
>> time. Not a lot of UV damage likely in the garage.  ;-)
>
>
> oh i dunno. what about the lighting you have for those strange looking
> plants growing there  :)
>

SHHHHHHH

>
>>
>>> faced glass headlights mainly for protection from stones being thown
>>> up and breaking the glass. but I don't think there's many available
>>> now for the current wide variety of shapes and designs, unless maybe
>>> some from car manufacturers for specific models
>>>
>>>
>> I was thinking of the manufacturer specific ones, as you would get as
>> factory accessories but you could also include decent aftermarket
>> protectors as well.
>>
>

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/10/21 3:33 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 1:27 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/11/2021 12:53 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said, that's
>>> it's not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive
>>> equipment.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>    Nope, *you said* "I should add for the average home hobby printer,
>> it is possible but it's expensive."
>>
>>       Then there`s this:
>>
>>         "Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said,
>> that's it's not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using
>> expensive equipment"..
>>
>>     Two entirely *different* scenarios. you`re getting better at
>> goalpost shifting than xenokryp..
>>
>>         Keef O' paradox eh??. Hahaha.  Won`t fly shitfer. <FBG>
>
> He's good at that. It's like when Clasener first threw around that "you
> deleted them" nonsense after he'd bullshitted himself into a corner, and
> after a while when people questioned it Jerky jumped on the bandwagon
> (as he usually does) and declared "I'd like to see if there were any
> deleted posts".

Your problem - comprehension of simple English. Your tech school
education is singularly lacking.

>
> He's *such* a fucking wanker :)
>
That mirror again! You're the wanker who created a whole bullshit career
in the motor trade - every little bit of it as fake as you are!

--

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/10/21 3:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 11:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 1:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 11/10/21 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>>>>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>>>>>>> topic of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may
>>>>>>>>> not be effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't
>>>>>>>>> tell you as I don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell
>>>>>>>>> you is that the current liquid variety is *very* effective as a
>>>>>>>>> plastic polish, and unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the
>>>>>>>>> irrelevant screaming I can tell you that from experience :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like
>>>>>>>>> utter spastics, do they? :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so
>>>>>>>> would Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard
>>>>>>>> you want to rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate
>>>>>>>> across the road sells second hand parts, and is forever coming
>>>>>>>> over and "can i have a bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use
>>>>>>>> to trick up fibreglass flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>>>>>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>>>>>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>>>>>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your
>>>>>>>> headlights cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly
>>>>>>>> abrasive, inc Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz mentioned
>>>>>>>> Jif. Maybe a bit harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont see an
>>>>>>>> issue with that. If it cleans 'em , then jobs done. Maybe do it
>>>>>>>> again in 2-3 years time? So what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when machine
>>>>>> polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?
>>>>
>>>> exactly. but that's what noddies do I guess  :)
>>>
>>> I'd be concerned about the acidic substances in Brasso and their
>>> effect on polycarbonate plastics.
>>
>>
>> I'd be concerned about him working on my car period!  :)
>
> There is that... but the real problem is that if something went wrong
> with the product or through something he fucked up by
> accident/ignorance/incompetence you wouldn't know if he's telling the
> truth or simply throwing something or someone under a bus rather than
> accept personal responsibility.

Yeah, like blaming Les' engine blowup on a *faulty valve* whereas the
real cause was lack of piston to valve clearance due to fitment of a
shim headgasket. That's a scenario where the clearance *must be checked*
as you need to allow for valve overshoot at high RPM. Did Darren check
it? No! Had he checked it, that valve would never have been damaged and
the engine still a runner.
>
> You can *never* trust a compulsive liar and well, his own words condemn
> him.

Compulsive liar, most definitely.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:33:06 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 11/10/2021 1:27 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/11/2021 12:53 PM, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said, that's it's
>>> not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive equipment.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Nope, *you said* "I should add for the average home hobby printer, it
>> is possible but it's expensive."
>>
>>      Then there`s this:
>>
>>        "Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said,
>> that's it's not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive
>> equipment"..
>>
>>    Two entirely *different* scenarios. you`re getting better at
>> goalpost shifting than xenokryp..
>>
>>        Keef O' paradox eh??. Hahaha.  Won`t fly shitfer. <FBG>
>
> He's good at that. It's like when Clasener first threw around that "you
> deleted them" nonsense after he'd bullshitted himself into a corner, and
> after a while when people questioned it Jerky jumped on the bandwagon
> (as he usually does) and declared "I'd like to see if there were any
> deleted posts".
>
> Of course there never was, which was something a "tech guru" like Jerky
> should have been able to work out in five minutes, but after it became
> clear enough even for *him* to realise that Clasener was talking out of
> his arse he changed his tune in saying "I said I didn't think there were
> any deleted posts"
>

This pair make the anti-vax/anti-5g crowd look rational...

alvey

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On 11/10/2021 3:50 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/10/21 2:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 1:20 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 11/10/21 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>>>>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>>>>>>>>> topic of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may
>>>>>>>>> not be effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't
>>>>>>>>> tell you as I don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell
>>>>>>>>> you is that the current liquid variety is *very* effective as
>>>>>>>>> a plastic polish, and unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the
>>>>>>>>> irrelevant screaming I can tell you that from experience :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like
>>>>>>>>> utter spastics, do they? :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so
>>>>>>>> would Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard
>>>>>>>> you want to rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate
>>>>>>>> across the road sells second hand parts, and is forever coming
>>>>>>>> over and "can i have a bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use
>>>>>>>> to trick up fibreglass flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>>>>>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>>>>>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>>>>>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your
>>>>>>>> headlights cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly
>>>>>>>> abrasive, inc Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz
>>>>>>>> mentioned Jif. Maybe a bit harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont
>>>>>>>> see an issue with that. If it cleans 'em , then jobs done.
>>>>>>>> Maybe do it again in 2-3 years time? So what?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when
>>>>>> machine polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?
>>>>
>>>> exactly. but that's what noddies do I guess  :)
>>>
>>> I'd be concerned about the acidic substances in Brasso and their
>>> effect on polycarbonate plastics.
>>
>>
>> I'd be concerned about him working on my car period!  :)
>>
> I'm not concerned - that can *never* happen.

hahaha

>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Both Brasso and toothpaste are abrasive. The polish up the surface
>>>>> and, in doing so, remove the top discoloured layer, the layer that
>>>>> has been affected by UV radiation. That original top layer had a
>>>>> fair degree of UV protection built into it but, once you abrade
>>>>> that surface, you remove the UV resistant layer. Sure, you can
>>>>> polish the surface and return the lens to its original clarity,
>>>>> but you cannot rejuvenate the UV resistant surface by using Brasso
>>>>> or toothpaste. On the other hand, fit for purpose headlight lens
>>>>> cleaners have a *UV resistant sealer* as part of their makeup.
>>>>> Like this one;
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.sparesbox.com.au/part/turtle-wax-headlight-cleaner-and-sealant-266ml-t43
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course you might not want to continually abrade the surface in
>>>>> order to reapply the UV sealant component. For that, you will use
>>>>> just a UV sealant on a regular basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Better yet though, why not simply use a *Headlight Protector*? As
>>>>> well as protection from impact damage, headlight protectors offer
>>>>> enhanced UV protection as well and they are much cheaper and
>>>>> easier to replace than the headlights themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i wouldn't use them. they used to be fairly common in the days of flat
>>>
>>> This current Toyota is the first one where I didn't option them in
>>> at purchase. Not a real necessity since my beast is garaged most of
>>> the time. Not a lot of UV damage likely in the garage.  ;-)
>>
>>
>> oh i dunno. what about the lighting you have for those strange
>> looking plants growing there  :)
>>
>
> SHHHHHHH

mums the word!

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/10/2021 11:53 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 9:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 10:18 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 8:13 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 11:04 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>>> hour or
>>>>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>>>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow
>>>>>> grease
>>>>>> (no drill required).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>> product
>>>>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>>>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cost of equipment and printed polycarbonate not being clear are two
>>>> reasons it's not really viable.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I should add for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but
>>> it's expensive.
>>
>> The average hone printer isn't going to print anything that large and
>> the finish wouldn't be anywhere near good enough.
>
> Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said, that's it's
> not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive equipment.
>

No, you said "for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but
it's expensive.", I said that it wasn't even possible on a home printer.
If you can't see the difference there you must be more stupid than I
gave you credit for.

On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 16:25:38 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 11/10/2021 11:53 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 9:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 10:18 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2021 8:13 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 9/10/2021 11:04 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>>>> hour or
>>>>>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>>>>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow
>>>>>>> grease
>>>>>>> (no drill required).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>>>>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cost of equipment and printed polycarbonate not being clear are two
>>>>> reasons it's not really viable.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I should add for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but
>>>> it's expensive.
>>>
>>> The average hone printer isn't going to print anything that large and
>>> the finish wouldn't be anywhere near good enough.
>>
>> Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said, that's it's
>> not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive equipment.
>>
>
> No, you said "for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but
> it's expensive.", I said that it wasn't even possible on a home printer.

“Whatever - you're wrong but I can't be bothered to keep up this
pointless argument.”

> If you can't see the difference there you must be more stupid than I
> gave you credit for.

And 'Whatever 2'... It's almost interesting that some of these Fraudster
enablers are so keen to try and score microscopically petty points, yet
will happily ignore the big picture. Incredible that they bleat about
"relevance". lol.

alvey
Waving a fond goodbye to Corporal Cliche as he plods off on his mighty war
donkey. "Bye Corporal! Be careful not to let donkey step on your ego. You
know how easily it bruises".

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On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 10/10/21 12:23 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 10/10/2021 12:06 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 9/10/21 6:40 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 12:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an
>>>>> effective metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic
>>>>> of polishing polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may not be
>>>>> effective at polishing metal these days and I couldn't tell you as
>>>>> I don't use it for that. However what I *can* tell you is that the
>>>>> current liquid variety is *very* effective as a plastic polish, and
>>>>> unlike the FLC loudmouths doing all the irrelevant screaming I can
>>>>> tell you that from experience :)
>>>>>
>>>>> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like
>>>>> utter spastics, do they? :)
>>>>
>>>> Lots of products, inc Brasso will do the job. I'd imagine so would
>>>> Silvo. And several hand cleaners too. Depends on how hard you want
>>>> to rub, and how long your prepared to work at it. Mate across the
>>>> road sells second hand parts, and is forever coming over and "can i
>>>> have a bit of spit and polish" The stuff I use to trick up
>>>> fibreglass flowcoat is the same/similar to this:
>>>> https://sydneytools.com.au/product/3m-as010623457-865ml-fast-cut-plus-extreme?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-4SLBhCVARIsACrhWLVFKC7Tao-1sqmxQlw2cGTusN6-KAiRTdY2OGcbsVI7l01PgWUnu8gaAj3yEALw_wcB
>>>> I believe the guy who detailed my navara used similar, and the
>>>> headlights looked new. If your selling a car and need your
>>>> headlights cleaned up, then it's fine. So is anything mildly
>>>> abrasive, inc Brasso (with the tin lid!). I think Jonz mentioned
>>>> Jif. Maybe a bit harsh, (it'll be quick!) but i dont see an issue
>>>> with that. If it cleans 'em , then jobs done. Maybe do it again in
>>>> 2-3 years time? So what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't forget toothpaste, that works too:-)
>>
>> It does. Works very well in fact. But it makes a mess when machine
>> polishing and needs to be thinned with water.
>>
> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?

Why not use something that works, and is *close at hand*, shit-fer-brains?

> Both Brasso and
> toothpaste are abrasive.

So is the 3M gear mentioned. If it's NOT abrasive, it wouldnt work,
simpleton. rubbing something with water will not improve the outcome,
dickhead. You will need some abrasive..

And you purport to be a "teacher". LOL...

On 11/10/2021 6:58 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:

>>>
>> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?
>
> Why not use something that works, and is *close at hand*, shit-fer-brains?

Indeed. Whether it's designed for the purpose or not is completely
irrelevant. The point is that regardless of what it's intended purpose
is it works very well as a plastic polish. It's also a very good polish
on finely sanded acrylic lacquer.

There are *many* products in this world which work very well in roles
other than which they are/were originally intended, and had you any
relevant experience you would *know* this.

> > Both Brasso and
>> toothpaste are abrasive.

That's the entire *point*, you fucking brain dead cuntoxen. They *have*
to be abrasive or they won't *work*.

*Jesus* you are clueless .....

> So is the 3M gear mentioned. If it's NOT abrasive, it wouldnt work,
> simpleton. rubbing something with water will not improve the outcome,
> dickhead. You will need some abrasive..

Absolutely. That this moron continues to mouth off about stuff that he
*clearly* has not the slightest clue about is a testament to his
personality disorder and his overriding need to be relevant.

> And you purport to be a "teacher".  LOL...

He couldn't teach anyone how to catch a fucking cold.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 11/10/21 8:29 pm, Noddy wrote:

>
>>  > Both Brasso and
>>> toothpaste are abrasive.
>
> That's the entire *point*, you fucking brain dead cuntoxen. They *have*
> to be abrasive or they won't *work*.
>
> *Jesus* you are clueless .....
>

The clueless one, dear boy, is you! Abrasion is only part of the story
with Brasso. Brasso also has acidic shit in there to remove the brass
oxidation. No need for such a substance on polycarbonates.

https://mbyc.net/MSDS/Brasso-Polish-MSDS.pdf

According to the MSDS, Brasso contains Ammonium Hydroxide. That, in case
you weren't aware, is in the class of *caustics*.

https://www.calpaclab.com/polycarbonate-chemical-compatibility-chart/

Ammonium Hydroxide D-Severe Effect

And further, what does D-Severe Effect actually mean? Down at the
bottom of the above link is the legend

Ratings: Chemical Effect
A = Excellent.
B = Good, Minor Effect, slight corrosion or discoloration
C = Fair, Moderate Effect, not recommended for continuous use.
Softening, loss of strength, or swelling may occur.
D = Severe Effect, not recommended for ANY use.
N/A = Information not available.

There you have it, not recommended for any use with Polycarbonate.

Brasso also has Oleic Acid but, according to the above chart;

Oleic Acid N/A

No worries on that score.

So, one nasty substance, one benign. Brasso is out.

What about toothpaste? Well, it is an abrasive so it will, on first use,
remove the outer layer of polycarbonate which is the UV resistant part.
Once you have removed that, the underlying polycarbonate has no UV
protection and will yellow much more quickly. What is needed, after
toothpaste is used on a headlight cover, is a dose of UV sealant. Not
going to get that from the toothpaste but the Turtlewax headlight
cleaner and sealant *does have it* built right in to the product.

> Absolutely. That this moron continues to mouth off about stuff that he
> *clearly* has not the slightest clue about is a testament to his
> personality disorder and his overriding need to be relevant.

The relevance deprived moron here Darren, is you.
>
>> And you purport to be a "teacher".  LOL...
>
> He couldn't teach anyone how to catch a fucking cold.

Well, teachers couldn't teach you anything but they aren't to blame for
that. After all, there's no known cure for what ails you, before or
after your ABI.

There is a reason why product manufacturers produce MSDS charts for
their products. Apart from alerting users to toxicity, they also inform
suitability for task. I wouldn't use Brasso on any headlight cover and
toothpaste is only going to do half the job.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/10/2021 5:51 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 16:25:38 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2021 11:53 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 11/10/2021 9:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2021 10:18 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 11/10/2021 8:13 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/10/2021 11:04 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 11:12:06 +1100, Trevor Wilson
>>>>>>> <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>>>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>>>>> hour or
>>>>>>>> so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot more
>>>>>>>> expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more elbow
>>>>>>>> grease
>>>>>>>> (no drill required).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>>>> product
>>>>>>>> is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to understand. All you
>>>>>>>> need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer bottle of water.
>>>>>>> What a great project for a 3D printer.  New lenses for old.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cost of equipment and printed polycarbonate not being clear are two
>>>>>> reasons it's not really viable.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I should add for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but
>>>>> it's expensive.
>>>> The average hone printer isn't going to print anything that large and
>>>> the finish wouldn't be anywhere near good enough.
>>> Thanks Keef O' Paradox for confirming what I already said, that's it's
>>> not viable for a home hobbyist but possible using expensive equipment.
>>>
>> No, you said "for the average home hobby printer, it is possible but
>> it's expensive.", I said that it wasn't even possible on a home printer.
> “Whatever - you're wrong but I can't be bothered to keep up this
> pointless argument.”
>
>> If you can't see the difference there you must be more stupid than I
>> gave you credit for.
> And 'Whatever 2'... It's almost interesting that some of these Fraudster
> enablers are so keen to try and score microscopically petty points, yet
> will happily ignore the big picture. Incredible that they bleat about
> "relevance". lol.
>

yes

>
> alvey
> Waving a fond goodbye to Corporal Cliche as he plods off on his mighty war
> donkey. "Bye Corporal! Be careful not to let donkey step on your ego. You
> know how easily it bruises".
>
>
>

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/10/2021 8:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/10/2021 6:58 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 11/10/2021 12:24 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>>>
>>> Why use something not designed for the purpose Darren?
>>
>> Why not use something that works, and is *close at hand*,
>> shit-fer-brains?
>
> Indeed. Whether it's designed for the purpose or not is completely
> irrelevant. The point is that regardless of what it's intended purpose
> is it works very well as a plastic polish. It's also a very good
> polish on finely sanded acrylic lacquer.
>
> There are *many* products in this world which work very well in roles
> other than which they are/were originally intended, and had you any
> relevant experience you would *know* this.

still better to use a product made for a specific purpose. you can kill
someone with a screwdriver but a bayonet is more effective

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry