On 7/10/2021 3:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 1:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 11:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised
>>>> as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay
>>>> at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think
>>>> they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>> polish occasionally.
>>
>> I haven't come across the need to do it on any of my own cars, but
>> have seen plenty of others that need attention.
>
> I've found that the stuff sold as headlight polish works well on the
> back window of the MX5.

Also works well on instrument panel plastics, and things like older stop
tail lenses.

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Noddy.

On 7/10/21 4:40 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 3:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/10/2021 1:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 11:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are
>>>>> advertised as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector.
>>>>> They work okay at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip
>>>>> free, but I think they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>>> polish occasionally.
>>>
>>> I haven't come across the need to do it on any of my own cars, but
>>> have seen plenty of others that need attention.
>>
>> I've found that the stuff sold as headlight polish works well on the
>> back window of the MX5.
>
> Also works well on instrument panel plastics, and things like older stop
> tail lenses.
>
>
>
Yes Darren, smooth surfaced polycarbonate plastics, you know, the ones
it was designed to work with. Amazing, huh?

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/10/21 3:04 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 7/10/21 2:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/10/2021 11:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised
>>>> as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay
>>>> at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think
>>>> they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>> polish occasionally.
>>
>> I haven't come across the need to do it on any of my own cars, but
>> have seen plenty of others that need attention.
>>
>>
>>
> The newer the car the less there seems to be an issue, our 2015 WRX and
> 2016 Golf never showed any signs of their headlamps discoloring.
>
Some factors in headlamp discolouration - age, exposure time and UV
levels. I see a lot more headlamp discolouration here where UV levels
are higher than I ever saw in Melbourne.

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On 7/10/21 3:01 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 7/10/21 12:38 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/6/2021 11:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage
>>>>>> for almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad
>>>>>> as that which I've seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed
>>>>> cleaning, I did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give
>>>>> them a light 5min polish about every second time I wash the car.
>>>>> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the
>>>>> lens after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the
>>>>> yellowing.
>>>>
>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are advertised
>>>> as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector. They work okay
>>>> at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip free, but I think
>>>> they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>> polish occasionally.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   No probs' here, have glass headlights. ;)
>>
>>
> No problems with yellowing but stones break glass, poly carbonate
> absorbs the impact so are much less likely to break, pros and cons for
> both types.
>
Polycarbonates have extremely good transparency, high resistance to heat
and impact as well as the ability to easily mould into complex shapes.
Why wouldn't you use a material like that for headlamp covers?

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/10/2021 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did. I
>>>>> refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>
>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>
>>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>>>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it comes
>>>> to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while. Some
>>>> quicker than others.
>>>>
>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>>> bottle of water.
>>>>
>>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>>> the market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the
>>>> ultra fine sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the
>>>> polishing compound which is *very* mild.
>>>>
>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking fraud
>>> and mechanical incompetent.
>>>
>>> Sheez.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>>
>>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.
>>
>>
>
> brasso is not a polycarbonate finish as clocky said. it's not a
> polycarbonate polish either, even tho used for that purpose. it's a
> brass cleaner and polish.
>
>

The new Brasso isn't even a brass cleaner or polish. The old Brasso was
but the new liquid doesn't do dick because they changed the formula.

On 7/10/21 5:48 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did.
>>>>>> I refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent an
>>>>>> hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>>>>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it
>>>>> comes to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while.
>>>>> Some quicker than others.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a lot
>>>>>> more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot more
>>>>>> elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>>>> bottle of water.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>>>> the market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the
>>>>> ultra fine sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the
>>>>> polishing compound which is *very* mild.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking
>>>> fraud and mechanical incompetent.
>>>>
>>>> Sheez.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>>>
>>>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> brasso is not a polycarbonate finish as clocky said. it's not a
>> polycarbonate polish either, even tho used for that purpose. it's a
>> brass cleaner and polish.
>>
>>
>
> The new Brasso isn't even a brass cleaner or polish. The old Brasso was
> but the new liquid doesn't do dick because they changed the formula.
>
There are actually two products, the liquid has different properties
compared to the old formula. Brasso generally uses silica dioxide for
its abrasive properties but the Aussie version uses Kaolin instead.
Though still an abrasive, this might be a factor in the reduced
effectiveness of the Aussie variety.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 10/7/2021 3:01 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 7/10/21 12:38 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/6/2021 11:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage
>>>>>> for almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad
>>>>>> as that which I've seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed
>>>>> cleaning, I did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give
>>>>> them a light 5min polish about every second time I wash the car.
>>>>> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the
>>>>> lens after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the
>>>>> yellowing.
>>>>
>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are
>>>> advertised as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector.
>>>> They work okay at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip
>>>> free, but I think they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>> polish occasionally.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   No probs' here, have glass headlights. ;)
>>
>>
> No problems with yellowing but stones break glass, poly carbonate
> absorbs the impact so are much less likely to break, pros and cons for
> both types.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Sure, but I have a few spare sets. ($0, tho i`ve never (from memory)
had a broken glass. (car or truck)) Besides units for some cars, $2000
to $3000.  :(

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On 7/10/21 9:02 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/7/2021 3:01 PM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 7/10/21 12:38 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/6/2021 11:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a garage
>>>>>>> for almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not as bad
>>>>>>> as that which I've seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed
>>>>>> cleaning, I did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give
>>>>>> them a light 5min polish about every second time I wash the car.
>>>>>> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the
>>>>>> lens after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the
>>>>>> yellowing.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are
>>>>> advertised as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector.
>>>>> They work okay at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip
>>>>> free, but I think they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>>> polish occasionally.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   No probs' here, have glass headlights. ;)
>>>
>>>
>> No problems with yellowing but stones break glass, poly carbonate
>> absorbs the impact so are much less likely to break, pros and cons for
>> both types.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  Sure, but I have a few spare sets. ($0, tho i`ve never (from memory)
> had a broken glass. (car or truck)) Besides units for some cars, $2000
> to $3000.  :(
>
>
>
I had a stone break a headlamp on a VK Commodore, a long time ago so I
can't remember how much it cost.
Someone told me that a LED headlamp for the WRX was several thousand
dollars, crazy price but they were excellent headlamps.

--
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On 7/10/2021 5:13 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 7/10/21 3:01 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 7/10/21 12:38 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/6/2021 11:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2021 7:12 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/21 1:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> **The car is 20 years old. It has not seen the inside of a
>>>>>>> garage for almost 10 years and possibly more. The damage was not
>>>>>>> as bad as that which I've seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My Benz is 19yrs old and when I got it the headlamps needed
>>>>>> cleaning, I did the full treatment and to maintain it I just give
>>>>>> them a light 5min polish about every second time I wash the car.
>>>>>> I've seen YouTube videos where they spray some clear coat on the
>>>>>> lens after they have been cleaned which is supposed to stop the
>>>>>> yellowing.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are
>>>>> advertised as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector.
>>>>> They work okay at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip
>>>>> free, but I think they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>>> polish occasionally.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   No probs' here, have glass headlights. ;)
>>>
>>>
>> No problems with yellowing but stones break glass, poly carbonate
>> absorbs the impact so are much less likely to break, pros and cons
>> for both types.
>>
> Polycarbonates have extremely good transparency, high resistance to
> heat and impact as well as the ability to easily mould into complex
> shapes. Why wouldn't you use a material like that for headlamp covers?
>

yes car makers couldn't use glass anymore even if they wanted to due to
the designs of modern cars

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 7/10/2021 5:48 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did.
>>>>>> I refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent
>>>>>> an hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>>>>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it
>>>>> comes to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while.
>>>>> Some quicker than others.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a
>>>>>> lot more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot
>>>>>> more elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>>>> bottle of water.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>>>> the market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the
>>>>> ultra fine sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the
>>>>> polishing compound which is *very* mild.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking
>>>> fraud and mechanical incompetent.
>>>>
>>>> Sheez.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>>>
>>>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> brasso is not a polycarbonate finish as clocky said. it's not a
>> polycarbonate polish either, even tho used for that purpose. it's a
>> brass cleaner and polish.
>>
>>
>
> The new Brasso isn't even a brass cleaner or polish. The old Brasso
> was but the new liquid doesn't do dick because they changed the formula.
>

what is it marketed as then?

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 7/10/2021 11:02 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 5:48 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/10/2021 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or
>>>>>>> did. I refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I
>>>>>>> spent an hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in
>>>>>> modern cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>>>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it
>>>>>> comes to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a
>>>>>> while. Some quicker than others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product.
>>>>>>> The only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was
>>>>>>> a lot more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a
>>>>>>> lot more elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>>>>> bottle of water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>>>>> the market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the
>>>>>> ultra fine sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the
>>>>>> polishing compound which is *very* mild.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking
>>>>> fraud and mechanical incompetent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheez.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>>>>
>>>>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> brasso is not a polycarbonate finish as clocky said. it's not a
>>> polycarbonate polish either, even tho used for that purpose. it's a
>>> brass cleaner and polish.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The new Brasso isn't even a brass cleaner or polish. The old Brasso
>> was but the new liquid doesn't do dick because they changed the formula.
>>
>
> what is it marketed as then?
>

sorry, I misread. it's just not effective then

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On 7/10/2021 8:02 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 5:48 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 7/10/2021 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or did.
>>>>>>> I refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I spent
>>>>>>> an hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in modern
>>>>>> cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>>>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it
>>>>>> comes to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a while.
>>>>>> Some quicker than others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product. The
>>>>>>> only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was a
>>>>>>> lot more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a lot
>>>>>>> more elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>>>>> bottle of water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>>>>> the market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the
>>>>>> ultra fine sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the
>>>>>> polishing compound which is *very* mild.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking
>>>>> fraud and mechanical incompetent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheez.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>>>>
>>>>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> brasso is not a polycarbonate finish as clocky said. it's not a
>>> polycarbonate polish either, even tho used for that purpose. it's a
>>> brass cleaner and polish.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The new Brasso isn't even a brass cleaner or polish. The old Brasso
>> was but the new liquid doesn't do dick because they changed the formula.
>>
>
> what is it marketed as then?
>

It's still pretending to be the old Brasso, it just doesn't work anymore
like it used to.

On 8/10/21 12:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 8:02 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 7/10/2021 5:48 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 7/10/2021 11:00 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 7/10/2021 1:00 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 10/6/2021 6:12 PM, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/10/2021 10:06 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:12 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> We've all seen them. Some of us own cars with them. I do. Or
>>>>>>>> did. I refer, of course, to Sun damaged polycarb headlights. I
>>>>>>>> spent an hour or so over the long weekend using this product:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/dc/v000087445/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Outstanding! SO much more light on the road from the Stagea HID
>>>>>>>> headlights. Nice sharp cut-off. Just fabulous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a by-product of the use of Polycarbonate Headlights in
>>>>>>> modern cars I'm afraid. It's a material that's easy and cheap to
>>>>>>> manufacture, but unfortunately it's not all that great when it
>>>>>>> comes to UV resistance. They just about all go dull after a
>>>>>>> while. Some quicker than others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did quite a bit of research, before I chose the 3M product.
>>>>>>>> The only other product I considered was the Sylvania one. It was
>>>>>>>> a lot more expensive, more difficult to obtain and required a
>>>>>>>> lot more elbow grease (no drill required).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, for anyone wanting to tart up their headlights, the 3M
>>>>>>>> product is brilliant. Instructions are clear and easy to
>>>>>>>> understand. All you need to add is a drill/driver and a spritzer
>>>>>>>> bottle of water.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a number of different headlight "restoration" products on
>>>>>>> the market, and they all work pretty well. The key element is the
>>>>>>> ultra fine sandpaper in the range of 3-5000 grit or so, and the
>>>>>>> polishing compound which is *very* mild.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bwahahaha... it's not a polycarbonate finish at all you fucking
>>>>>> fraud and mechanical incompetent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheez.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>   Bit rich coming from *YOU* windscreens O'ticcy!!. <FBG>
>>>>>
>>>>>   BTW, *Not* polycarbonate??. Think? again!.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> brasso is not a polycarbonate finish as clocky said. it's not a
>>>> polycarbonate polish either, even tho used for that purpose. it's a
>>>> brass cleaner and polish.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The new Brasso isn't even a brass cleaner or polish. The old Brasso
>>> was but the new liquid doesn't do dick because they changed the formula.
>>>
>>
>> what is it marketed as then?
>>
>
>
> It's still pretending to be the old Brasso, it just doesn't work anymore
> like it used to.
>
I thought I had some Silvo in the cupboard here. Appears I was mistaken,
only stainless steel cleaners in there. Don't use Brasso and haven't
done so for 50+ years so I couldn't say how effective the current crop
of product is but, like most *new and improved* products, it's likely
less effective and more expensive than before.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/10/2021 1:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
> > On 6/10/2021 2:15 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >> On 6/10/2021 2:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> >>> On 6/10/2021 1:37 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> >>>> On 6/10/2021 1:06 pm, Noddy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brasso liquid works *very* well as a polycarbonate polish.
> >>>>
> >>>> **Yep. I have a mate who spent a day and half using Brasso™ on his
> >>>> headlights. I started using Brasso™, but I gave up after 30 minutes,
> >>>> because there was minimal difference. The 3M product turned out a
> >>>> better result with around an hour's work. I'd rather spend the
> >>>> extra, for a better result in MUCH less time.
> >>>
> >>> Did you use sandpaper with the Brasso?
> >>
> >> **Nope. Brasso™ is an abrasive.
> >
> > *All* polishing compounds are abrasive Trevor. That's how they work. The
> > 3M stuff you bought is abrasive too.
> >
> >> Neither did my mate. I thought the results he got were excellent, but
> >> it took a long time. I thought his results were excellent, until I
> >> finished using the 3M product on mine. Much better.
> >
> > Polishing polycarbonate plastic is like polishing automotive paint or
> > most other materials. The reason why you use the sandpaper is to cut
> > back the excess and keep the polishing time to a minimum. You don't have
> > to use the sandpaper, but doing so significantly speeds up the process.
> >
> >>> Brasso won't work on it's own. You have to micro-sand the plastic
> >>> first just like you do with the 3M kit. The process is exactly the
> >>> same, just using more commonly available products than what 3M supply..
> >>
> >> **And once more: I chose the 3M product because it appeared to be the
> >> best product to do the job. The results are stunning. The polycarb
> >> looks like new.
> >
> > Yeah, I don't think you're quite getting what I'm saying. Let me put it
> > another way: Use the 5000grit paper and Brasso liquid (that's the
> > *liquid*, not the paste), and your results will be just as stunning.
> >
> >
> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work at all..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking before use.. However, a liquid it was/is!.

On 7/10/2021 5:11 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 7/10/21 3:04 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 7/10/21 2:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2021 11:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are
>>>>> advertised as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector.
>>>>> They work okay at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip
>>>>> free, but I think they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>>> polish occasionally.
>>>
>>> I haven't come across the need to do it on any of my own cars, but
>>> have seen plenty of others that need attention.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The newer the car the less there seems to be an issue, our 2015 WRX
>> and 2016 Golf never showed any signs of their headlamps discoloring.
>>
> Some factors in headlamp discolouration - age, exposure time and UV
> levels. I see a lot more headlamp discolouration here where UV levels
> are higher than I ever saw in Melbourne.
>

saw quite a few yellow/yellowish headlights in Coles car park today

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:

>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work at all.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.

And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/10/21 2:26 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 7/10/2021 5:11 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/10/21 3:04 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 7/10/21 2:41 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/10/2021 11:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 6/10/21 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> There is also plastic overlay films you can get which are
>>>>>> advertised as both a "UV protectant" and a headlight protector.
>>>>>> They work okay at keeping your headlights relatively stone chip
>>>>>> free, but I think they do jack shit against the sun :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It might help but its cheaper and easier just to give them a quick
>>>>> polish occasionally.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't come across the need to do it on any of my own cars, but
>>>> have seen plenty of others that need attention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The newer the car the less there seems to be an issue, our 2015 WRX
>>> and 2016 Golf never showed any signs of their headlamps discoloring.
>>>
>> Some factors in headlamp discolouration - age, exposure time and UV
>> levels. I see a lot more headlamp discolouration here where UV levels
>> are higher than I ever saw in Melbourne.
>>
>
> saw quite a few yellow/yellowish headlights in Coles car park today
>
>
Cars that were 10+ years old, no doubt. Not a lot different to here
really. The headlight finish is usually good for 10 years except under
extreme circumstances. You get those extreme circumstances here but
usually in low quality cars. Be interesting to see how Chinese car
headlights and other plastics fare in the hot Aussie sun. My guess is -
5 years will see them showing issues, especially if this is any guide to
their quality;

https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qcat/2021/316

Of course, you can get the usual precis of such matters here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71DVmTYiq-4

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 8/10/21 2:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work at
>>> all.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>
> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>
>
>
Ahem, evidence in abundance in forums on the internet that points to the
contrary. For instance, the Aussie product is *different* to the OS (UK,
US?) versions since kaolin is the primary abrasive medium here, not so
elsewhere. Kaolin, BTW, is the abrasive used in *toothpaste*. There are
also indications that, for health and safety reasons, some of the more
toxic components have been toned down, removed or substituted.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 8/10/21 3:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 8/10/21 2:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work
>>>> at all.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>
>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>
>>
>>
> Ahem, evidence in abundance in forums on the internet that points to the
> contrary. For instance, the Aussie product is *different* to the OS (UK,
> US?) versions since kaolin is the primary abrasive medium here, not so
> elsewhere. Kaolin, BTW, is the abrasive used in *toothpaste*. There are
> also indications that, for health and safety reasons, some of the more
> toxic components have been toned down, removed or substituted.
>
From here;

https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/they-changed-the-formula-for-brasso-1118232-.htm

Mike Duffy
posted 4 years ago

Apparenly around 2009. I bought a new bottle (plastic now vs.
the older metal), and am truly dissapointed because IT NO
LONGER WORKS. The formula is water-based with ammonia, vs.
the old petroleum-based formula. The new stuff appears to have
the micro silica granules because there did appear to be major
sedimentation in the bottle. It is no longer listed as an
ingredient, probably because it is not toxic. I'm not sure if
they changed the granule size, but the new product does NOT
immediately produce black copper oxide the same way as the old
formula. Of course, my goal here is not simply to whine. Although
whining is a component of the set of my reasons for being here,
I would also like to ask if anyone knows if a suitable substitute
in available. Is it also possible to buy microcrystalline silica
(or carborundum, etc.)? I have Varsol, and I know how to use it.

thegalaxybeing
posted 3 years ago
I noticed the change and Brasso is a poor imitation of what it
used to be, Besides metal polish, it used to be great for making
plastic watch crystals, plastic coin holders, some sunglasses
sparkle like brand new. now it puts hundreds of tiny visible
scratches on the surface. in others words, the the abrasive
ingredient is also different. Not even close. Thet might as well
quit making Brasso altogether. True Brasso NO LONGER EXISTS!

Any amount of such comment on forums all over. General consensus, Brasso
isn't as good as it used to be. Obviously the manufacturers slogan; "new
and improved" is referring primarily to their bottom line, their profit
margins.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 8/10/2021 11:29 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>
>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work at
>>> all.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>
> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>
>
>

It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns out.

https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish

Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!

On 8/10/2021 5:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 8/10/21 3:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 8/10/21 2:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work
>>>>> at all.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>>>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>
>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Ahem, evidence in abundance in forums on the internet that points to
>> the contrary. For instance, the Aussie product is *different* to the
>> OS (UK, US?) versions since kaolin is the primary abrasive medium
>> here, not so elsewhere. Kaolin, BTW, is the abrasive used in
>> *toothpaste*. There are also indications that, for health and safety
>> reasons, some of the more toxic components have been toned down,
>> removed or substituted.
>>
> From here;
>
> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/they-changed-the-formula-for-brasso-1118232-.htm
>
>
> Mike Duffy
> posted 4 years ago
>
>    Apparenly around 2009. I bought a new bottle (plastic now vs.
>    the older metal), and am truly dissapointed because IT NO
>    LONGER WORKS. The formula is water-based with ammonia, vs.
>    the old petroleum-based formula. The new stuff appears to have
>    the micro silica granules because there did appear to be major
>    sedimentation in the bottle. It is no longer listed as an
>    ingredient, probably because it is not toxic. I'm not sure if
>    they changed the granule size, but the new product does NOT
>    immediately produce black copper oxide the same way as the old
>    formula. Of course, my goal here is not simply to whine. Although
>    whining is a component of the set of my reasons for being here,
>    I would also like to ask if anyone knows if a suitable substitute
>    in available. Is it also possible to buy microcrystalline silica
>    (or carborundum, etc.)? I have Varsol, and I know how to use it.
>
>
>
> thegalaxybeing
> posted 3 years ago
>    I noticed the change and Brasso is a poor imitation of what it
>    used to be, Besides metal polish, it used to be great for making
>    plastic watch crystals, plastic coin holders, some sunglasses
>    sparkle like brand new. now it puts hundreds of tiny visible
>    scratches on the surface. in others words, the the abrasive
>    ingredient is also different. Not even close. Thet might as well
>    quit making Brasso altogether. True Brasso NO LONGER EXISTS!
>
> Any amount of such comment on forums all over. General consensus, Brasso
> isn't as good as it used to be. Obviously the manufacturers slogan; "new
> and improved" is referring primarily to their bottom line, their profit
> margins.
>

As per usual "centrifugal force in the CV's straightens the wheels" boy
is completely unaware of the facts.

On 8/10/2021 8:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 8/10/2021 11:29 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work
>>>> at all.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>
>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns out.
>
> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>
> Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!

as usual..

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 8/10/2021 8:39 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 8/10/2021 5:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 8/10/21 3:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 8/10/21 2:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't
>>>>>> work at all.
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>>>>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>>
>>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Ahem, evidence in abundance in forums on the internet that points to
>>> the contrary. For instance, the Aussie product is *different* to the
>>> OS (UK, US?) versions since kaolin is the primary abrasive medium
>>> here, not so elsewhere. Kaolin, BTW, is the abrasive used in
>>> *toothpaste*. There are also indications that, for health and safety
>>> reasons, some of the more toxic components have been toned down,
>>> removed or substituted.
>>>
>>  From here;
>>
>> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/they-changed-the-formula-for-brasso-1118232-.htm
>>
>>
>> Mike Duffy
>> posted 4 years ago
>>
>>     Apparenly around 2009. I bought a new bottle (plastic now vs.
>>     the older metal), and am truly dissapointed because IT NO
>>     LONGER WORKS. The formula is water-based with ammonia, vs.
>>     the old petroleum-based formula. The new stuff appears to have
>>     the micro silica granules because there did appear to be major
>>     sedimentation in the bottle. It is no longer listed as an
>>     ingredient, probably because it is not toxic. I'm not sure if
>>     they changed the granule size, but the new product does NOT
>>     immediately produce black copper oxide the same way as the old
>>     formula. Of course, my goal here is not simply to whine. Although
>>     whining is a component of the set of my reasons for being here,
>>     I would also like to ask if anyone knows if a suitable substitute
>>     in available. Is it also possible to buy microcrystalline silica
>>     (or carborundum, etc.)? I have Varsol, and I know how to use it.
>>
>>
>>
>> thegalaxybeing
>> posted 3 years ago
>>     I noticed the change and Brasso is a poor imitation of what it
>>     used to be, Besides metal polish, it used to be great for making
>>     plastic watch crystals, plastic coin holders, some sunglasses
>>     sparkle like brand new. now it puts hundreds of tiny visible
>>     scratches on the surface. in others words, the the abrasive
>>     ingredient is also different. Not even close. Thet might as well
>>     quit making Brasso altogether. True Brasso NO LONGER EXISTS!
>>
>> Any amount of such comment on forums all over. General consensus,
>> Brasso isn't as good as it used to be. Obviously the manufacturers
>> slogan; "new and improved" is referring primarily to their bottom
>> line, their profit margins.
>>
>
>
> As per usual "centrifugal force in the CV's straightens the wheels"
> boy is completely unaware of the facts.
>
>

and from your other post ..

https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish

let's see jonzie try and dig him out of this one!  :)

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 8/10/21 9:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 8/10/2021 8:39 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 8/10/2021 5:07 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 8/10/21 3:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/21 2:29 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't
>>>>>>> work at all.
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>>>>>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Ahem, evidence in abundance in forums on the internet that points to
>>>> the contrary. For instance, the Aussie product is *different* to the
>>>> OS (UK, US?) versions since kaolin is the primary abrasive medium
>>>> here, not so elsewhere. Kaolin, BTW, is the abrasive used in
>>>> *toothpaste*. There are also indications that, for health and safety
>>>> reasons, some of the more toxic components have been toned down,
>>>> removed or substituted.
>>>>
>>>  From here;
>>>
>>> https://www.homeownershub.com/maintenance/they-changed-the-formula-for-brasso-1118232-.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Duffy
>>> posted 4 years ago
>>>
>>>     Apparenly around 2009. I bought a new bottle (plastic now vs.
>>>     the older metal), and am truly dissapointed because IT NO
>>>     LONGER WORKS. The formula is water-based with ammonia, vs.
>>>     the old petroleum-based formula. The new stuff appears to have
>>>     the micro silica granules because there did appear to be major
>>>     sedimentation in the bottle. It is no longer listed as an
>>>     ingredient, probably because it is not toxic. I'm not sure if
>>>     they changed the granule size, but the new product does NOT
>>>     immediately produce black copper oxide the same way as the old
>>>     formula. Of course, my goal here is not simply to whine. Although
>>>     whining is a component of the set of my reasons for being here,
>>>     I would also like to ask if anyone knows if a suitable substitute
>>>     in available. Is it also possible to buy microcrystalline silica
>>>     (or carborundum, etc.)? I have Varsol, and I know how to use it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> thegalaxybeing
>>> posted 3 years ago
>>>     I noticed the change and Brasso is a poor imitation of what it
>>>     used to be, Besides metal polish, it used to be great for making
>>>     plastic watch crystals, plastic coin holders, some sunglasses
>>>     sparkle like brand new. now it puts hundreds of tiny visible
>>>     scratches on the surface. in others words, the the abrasive
>>>     ingredient is also different. Not even close. Thet might as well
>>>     quit making Brasso altogether. True Brasso NO LONGER EXISTS!
>>>
>>> Any amount of such comment on forums all over. General consensus,
>>> Brasso isn't as good as it used to be. Obviously the manufacturers
>>> slogan; "new and improved" is referring primarily to their bottom
>>> line, their profit margins.
>>>
>>
>>
>> As per usual "centrifugal force in the CV's straightens the wheels"
>> boy is completely unaware of the facts.
>>
>>
>
> and from your other post ..
>
> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>
> let's see jonzie try and dig him out of this one!  :)
>
>
Certainly definitive, isn't it. The above link even has Aussie buyers
(read: mugs) so relevant to us.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 8/10/21 9:09 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 8/10/2021 8:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 8/10/2021 11:29 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't work
>>>>> at all.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>>>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>
>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns out.
>>
>> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>>
>> Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!
>
>
> as usual..
>
Darren still wants to be the *hero of aus.cars*. Pity he's so low in the
IQ department.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)