On 24/02/2022 20:53, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <ZURRJ.29890$dln7.7485@fx03.iad>, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com>
> on Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 20:29:43 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and
> wrote
>> On 24-Feb-22 15:32, maus wrote:
>>> Been told emphatically that `Amsterdam is not Holland' in general. True,
>>> even if technically it is in `North Holland'.
>>
>> Nor is "Holland" "The Netherlands".
>>
> Nor is "Up Holland" or "Downholland".

AND Hollandaise is not French for Dutch.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 25/02/2022 09:10, Peter wrote:
>> On 24/02/2022 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
>>> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best
>>> sitcoms ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who
>>> only ever had one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had had
>>> a few new handles and several new heads, but it was still the same
>>> broom he had when he started.
>
> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years earlier.

Does that explain HMS Theseus, aircraft carrier of the 1940s?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:10:08 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

[Holland/Netherlands]

> Go East, and the population density drops off as the countryside gets
> more interesting and less flat. I remember snow at Easter in Valkenberg,
> near Maastricht. They had or have a mountain bike track and a Christmas
> market in the old mine tunnels there. There is also a place nearby where
> you can stand in three countries at the same time.
>
>
Issat you Jake?

--
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:21:43 +0000
RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> On 24/02/2022 20:09, John Williamson wrote:
[old rivers]
> >
> > For something a bit different, aim towards Maastricht, and you will find
> > a very nice range of hills and the Maas river valley, which turns into
> > the Meuse when it goes into France, then the the Moselle before it joins
> > the Rhine, which then exits into the North Sea past Rotterdam.
>
> It used to be joined by the Thames as it swung North and before the sea
> broke through and created the Channel (La Manche).
> >
Well I never!
http://www.geoessex.org.uk/the-early-ice-age/

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:09:07 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20220225094120.0f3d542ac4fd99b1e69cc48a@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Fri, 25 Feb 2022 at 09:41:20 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:10:57 -0000 (UTC)
> >Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> > On 24/02/2022 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
> >> >> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best
> >> >> sitcoms ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who
> >> >> only ever had one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had
> >> >> had a few new handles and several new heads, but it was still the
> >> >> same broom he had when he started.
> >>
> >> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years
> >> earlier.
> >
> >Also "my grandfather's axe", origin lost to history.
> >
> Was it like "grandfather's clock" or is the edge just as keen?

Fewer parts - it's the minimalist's version.

--
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:10:57 -0000 (UTC)
> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> > On 24/02/2022 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
>> >> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best
>> >> sitcoms ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who
>> >> only ever had one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had had
>> >> a few new handles and several new heads, but it was still the same
>> >> broom he had when he started.
>>
>> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years
>> earlier.
>
> Also "my grandfather's axe", origin lost to history.

aka "It'll be in the shed"

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

RustyHinge said:
> On 25/02/2022 09:10, Peter wrote:
>>> On 24/02/2022 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
>>>> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best
>>>> sitcoms ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who
>>>> only ever had one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had had
>>>> a few new handles and several new heads, but it was still the same
>>>> broom he had when he started.
>>
>> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years earlier.
>
> Does that explain HMS Theseus, aircraft carrier of the 1940s?

Was it attached to a bit of string so it didn't get lost ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 6:33:26 AM UTC-6, Richard Robinson wrote:
> RustyHinge said:
> > On 25/02/2022 09:10, Peter wrote:
> >>> On 24/02/2022 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
> >>>> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best
> >>>> sitcoms ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who
> >>>> only ever had one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had had
> >>>> a few new handles and several new heads, but it was still the same
> >>>> broom he had when he started.
> >>
> >> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years earlier.
> >
> > Does that explain HMS Theseus, aircraft carrier of the 1940s?
> Was it attached to a bit of string so it didn't get lost ?
> --
> Richard Robinson
> "The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem
>
> My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Trigger? Roy Rogers horse?

Yeah pretty much the same thing as the human body being replaced every several seconds yet it being the same body by water being exchanged or something like that?

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 06:32:14 -0600
Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> > On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:10:57 -0000 (UTC)
> > Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> > On 24/02/2022 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
> >> >> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best
> >> >> sitcoms ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who
> >> >> only ever had one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had
> >> >> had a few new handles and several new heads, but it was still the
> >> >> same broom he had when he started.
> >>
> >> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years
> >> earlier.
> >
> > Also "my grandfather's axe", origin lost to history.
>
> aka "It'll be in the shed"

Well of course, it's hanging on the peg over there where I hung it
after fitting the new head.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 24/02/2022 20:34, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On 24 Feb 2022 18:33:26 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> never been to Netherlands, seems a nice place. I used to swap software
>> with sommeone in Alkmaar, and got a SKA virus that way. That was before
>> i learned to checksum software.
>
> It's an interesting place, I'm not sure I'd go so far as nice.
> Holland suffers from too many people in nothing like enough space and
> benefits from how good they are at dealing with it. Dutch efficiency is
> almost invisible and very effective - but in hospital for a broken wrist I
> felt more like something being repaired in a well run repair shop than
> someone being healed by people who cared.
>
>> There is a Holland in England too, from whence the blackboard-screech of
>
> and Harlem is a district of Amsterdam.
>
And I have boated from Boston to New York in a day.
In Holland
In Lincolnshire
:-))

Chris

In article <20220225140124.ef931f6f2227358c652be857@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Fri, 25 Feb 2022 at 14:01:24 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 06:32:14 -0600
>Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>> > On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:10:57 -0000 (UTC)
>> > Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > On 24/02/2022 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
>> >> >> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best
>> >> >> sitcoms ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who
>> >> >> only ever had one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had
>> >> >> had a few new handles and several new heads, but it was still the
>> >> >> same broom he had when he started.
>> >>
>> >> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years
>> >> earlier.
>> >
>> > Also "my grandfather's axe", origin lost to history.
>>
>> aka "It'll be in the shed"
>
> Well of course, it's hanging on the peg over there where I hung it
>after fitting the new head.
>
Which reminds me,

"Here comes a candle to light you to bed,
And here comes a chopper to chop off your head."

There always was a cruel streak in children's stories, rhymes and songs.
My Granny gave me Struwwelpeter as a pre teenager. Gave me nightmares.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 19:40:53 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> "Here comes a candle to light you to bed,
> And here comes a chopper to chop off your head."

"As I lay down to sleep
I pray the lord my soul to keep
And if I die before I wake
I pray the lord my soul to take"

Is insomnia the goal here ?

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 25-Feb-22 12:00, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:09:07 +0000
> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

>>>> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years
>>>> earlier.
>>>
>>> Also "my grandfather's axe", origin lost to history.
>>>
>> Was it like "grandfather's clock" or is the edge just as keen?
>
> Fewer parts - it's the minimalist's version.
>
That would be Occam's axe.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2022-02-24, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 24 Feb 2022 18:33:26 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> never been to Netherlands, seems a nice place. I used to swap software
>> with sommeone in Alkmaar, and got a SKA virus that way. That was before
>> i learned to checksum software.
>
> It's an interesting place, I'm not sure I'd go so far as nice.
> Holland suffers from too many people in nothing like enough space and
> benefits from how good they are at dealing with it. Dutch efficiency is
> almost invisible and very effective - but in hospital for a broken wrist I
> felt more like something being repaired in a well run repair shop than
> someone being healed by people who cared.
>
>> There is a Holland in England too, from whence the blackboard-screech of
>
> and Harlem is a district of Amsterdam.
>
there is a place called Harlem in what used to be called New Amsterdam!

--
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That's not a mousehole!

On 2022-02-24, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 24/02/2022 20:34, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 23-Feb-22 21:47, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>>> No, found in one of the 50 Sheds of Grey, when I bought the house. By
>>> now it is Trigger's Hoe. At different times it has had a new head and a
>>> new shaft. The same is true of the Shed of Grey. it should be called the
>>> Shed of Trigger.
>>
>> To me, "Trigger" is a horse.
>>
>> (And a very strange name for a horse, now I ponder on't.)
>>
> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best sitcoms
> ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who only ever had
> one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had had a few new
> handles and several new heads, but it was still the same broom he had
> when he started.
>
> As for Trigger being a strange name for a horse, you really don't want
> to know what the name Tonto used for the Lone Ranger actually means...
>

Stupid?

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That's not a mousehole!

On 25/02/2022 22:42, maus wrote:
> On 2022-02-24, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

>> As for Trigger being a strange name for a horse, you really don't want
>> to know what the name Tonto used for the Lone Ranger actually means...
>>
>
> Stupid?
>
Nowhere near as polite. There is an article on it in Wikilies.

The implication is peeking at what happens in private.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 2022-02-26, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 22:42, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-02-24, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>> As for Trigger being a strange name for a horse, you really don't want
>>> to know what the name Tonto used for the Lone Ranger actually means...
>>>
>>
>> Stupid?
>>
> Nowhere near as polite. There is an article on it in Wikilies.
>
> The implication is peeking at what happens in private.
>

there was something about Tonto calling the Lone ranger something like
`keno sabe' (He who knows nothing?)

--
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That's not a mousehole!

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 06:21:06 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On 25/02/2022 22:42, maus wrote:
> > On 2022-02-24, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >> As for Trigger being a strange name for a horse, you really don't want
> >> to know what the name Tonto used for the Lone Ranger actually means...
> >>
> >
> > Stupid?
> >
> Nowhere near as polite. There is an article on it in Wikilies.
>
> The implication is peeking at what happens in private.

The article seems to imply a meaning along the lines of scout or
spy rather than peeping tom - someone who secretly watches rather than
someone who watches secrets.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 26 Feb 2022 09:19:17 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> there was something about Tonto calling the Lone ranger something like
> `keno sabe' (He who knows nothing?)

Turns out that's not what it meant.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 06:32:14 -0600
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>> > On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:10:57 -0000 (UTC)
>> > Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > On 24/02/2022 20:52, John Williamson wrote:
>> >> >> Ah, you missed out on "Only Fools and Horses", one of the best
>> >> >> sitcoms ever made. Trigger was a street sweeper of many years, who
>> >> >> only ever had one broom. Admittedly, during his ownership, it had
>> >> >> had a few new handles and several new heads, but it was still the
>> >> >> same broom he had when he started.
>> >>
>> >> See also "Ship of Theseus" - same idea applied to a ship 2500 years
>> >> earlier.
>> >
>> > Also "my grandfather's axe", origin lost to history.
>>
>> aka "It'll be in the shed"
>
> Well of course, it's hanging on the peg over there where I hung it
> after fitting the new head.

On 2nd thoughts, that should have read "my Grandfather's shed".

What goes around comes around. "This product made entirely from recycled molecules".

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

maus said:
> On 2022-02-24, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 24 Feb 2022 18:33:26 GMT
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> never been to Netherlands, seems a nice place. I used to swap software
>>> with sommeone in Alkmaar, and got a SKA virus that way. That was before
>>> i learned to checksum software.
>>
>> It's an interesting place, I'm not sure I'd go so far as nice.
>> Holland suffers from too many people in nothing like enough space and
>> benefits from how good they are at dealing with it. Dutch efficiency is
>> almost invisible and very effective - but in hospital for a broken wrist I
>> felt more like something being repaired in a well run repair shop than
>> someone being healed by people who cared.
>>
>>> There is a Holland in England too, from whence the blackboard-screech of
>>
>> and Harlem is a district of Amsterdam.
>>
> there is a place called Harlem in what used to be called New Amsterdam!

From gurglemaps :- "Dallas is a small rural village in Moray, Scotland.
It is located 12 miles south west of Elgin just off the B9010 road. It
has a population of between 150 and 200"

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 06:27:15 -0600
Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

> What goes around comes around. "This product made entirely from recycled
> molecules".

If you want fresh unused atoms then you'll have to go and harvest
some Hawking radiation from a black hole and cool it down enough to
combine the electrons and protons, just be careful to keep it separate from
the infall (and don't ask me how). Given the time dilation factor down
there if you leave now you might be back in time to see the sun go red
giant - either that or find a way to make a quantum black hole in the lab
but the Hawking radiation tends to come out a bit too swiftly to capture
from those - think very big fusion bomb and work up.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

Following on from sorting authors, I'm also building up a
spreadsheet of maps. One of the fields is the scale.
Does anybody know how to format Excel cells so that the
scale is sorted properly, ie:
1:7,500
1:9,000
1:15,000
1:16,500
1:25,000
1:50,000
1:250,000
instead of:
1:15,000
1:16,500
1:25,000
1:250,000
1:50,000
1:7,500
1:9,000

I can find advice on how to calculate a ratio between cells
and then do text replacement in a third cell, but that destroys
the entire point of having *one* field for the scale, you end
up with:
1,2500,=thing(X1/X2),=greptypething(X3,longgrepstring)
to get
1,2500,1/2500,1:2500
when I just want
1:2500
or ideally
1:2,500

See https://mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Publishing/Maps.xls

jgh

In article <6fb9f1c4-4506-4ff4-86d0-76ffaebf70c7n@googlegroups.com>,
Jonathan Harston <jgh@mdfs.net> on Sun, 27 Feb 2022 at 21:57:11 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Following on from sorting authors, I'm also building up a
>spreadsheet of maps. One of the fields is the scale.
>Does anybody know how to format Excel cells so that the
>scale is sorted properly, ie:
>1:7,500
>1:9,000
>1:15,000
>1:16,500
>1:25,000
>1:50,000
>1:250,000
>instead of:
>1:15,000
>1:16,500
>1:25,000
>1:250,000
>1:50,000
>1:7,500
>1:9,000
>
>I can find advice on how to calculate a ratio between cells
>and then do text replacement in a third cell, but that destroys
>the entire point of having *one* field for the scale, you end
>up with:
>1,2500,=thing(X1/X2),=greptypething(X3,longgrepstring)
>to get
>1,2500,1/2500,1:2500
>when I just want
>1:2500
>or ideally
>1:2,500
>
>See https://mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Publishing/Maps.xls
>
>jgh
My 1d's worth, for what it is worth. There may well be better ways.

You could display the 1:x column but sort on a hidden column that has
1:x calculated as 1 divided by x.
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 2022-02-28, Jonathan Harston <jgh@mdfs.net> wrote:
> Following on from sorting authors, I'm also building up a
> spreadsheet of maps. One of the fields is the scale.
> Does anybody know how to format Excel cells so that the
> scale is sorted properly, ie:
> 1:7,500
> 1:9,000
> 1:15,000
> 1:16,500
> 1:25,000
> 1:50,000
> 1:250,000
> instead of:
> 1:15,000
> 1:16,500
> 1:25,000
> 1:250,000
> 1:50,000
> 1:7,500
> 1:9,000

If you have spurious characters in a cell Excel can't use numeric sorting so
it has to treat the contents as text. So it tries to sort it alphabetically.

If you just include the numeric consequent (7,500, 9,000 ...) and format the
cells as numbers it should sort correctly.

You can then use a custom format (1:#) to display as ratios.

>
> I can find advice on how to calculate a ratio between cells
> and then do text replacement in a third cell, but that destroys
> the entire point of having *one* field for the scale, you end
> up with:
> 1,2500,=thing(X1/X2),=greptypething(X3,longgrepstring)
> to get
> 1,2500,1/2500,1:2500
> when I just want
> 1:2500
> or ideally
> 1:2,500
>
> See https://mdfs.net/User/JGH/Docs/Publishing/Maps.xls
>
> jgh

--
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bap@shrdlu.com