On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 6:00:43 AM UTC-5, wessie wrote:
<Bonwick>
> he's morphed into a pipe & slippers, grandfather type with a BMW R-GS
> motorcycle, a motorhome, a pick-up, a puppy and a suburban house in a
> Lancashire commuter town.

I kinda feel like we should stage an intervention and save the poor bastard.

On 21/02/2022 14:02, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>
>> I can use Whatsapp to communicate with colleagues, parents and children.
>> During the various lockdowns it was a critical tool for keeping in
>> touch with
>> vulnerable people where face to face was not possible.
>
> But if it never existed, you'd presumably have found something else,
> AFAIK WhatsApp requires the user to have a mobile?
No, wasn't me.
That bit was wessie

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 21/02/2022 14:21, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 21/02/2022 10:53, wessie wrote:
>> "ChrisND @UKRM" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
>> news:j7h6fdFfgtvU1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it
>>>> including my banks
>>>
>>> Banks?  I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in
>>> the name surely?  Its not for business (IMHO obvs)
>>>
>>
>> we use Whatsapp at work
>>
>> my work Android phone only has apps installed that are approved for
>> use in
>> local government. I work in Children's Services and I can use Whatsapp to
>> communicate with colleagues, parents and children. During the various
>> lockdowns it was a critical tool for keeping in touch with vulnerable
>> people where face to face was not possible.
>>
>
> Widely used in the NHS as well. But they seem to love being tied into
> major corps.
>
But not corpse?

Chris

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

ChrisND @UKRM wrote:

> No, wasn't me.
> That bit was wessie

I did look at it and think it was he was did child services stuff ... ho hum.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in
news:j7hkatFi5pbU1@mid.individual.net:

>
> ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
>
>> I can use Whatsapp to communicate with colleagues, parents and
>> children. During the various lockdowns it was a critical tool for
>> keeping in touch with vulnerable people where face to face was not
>> possible.
>
> But if it never existed, you'd presumably have found something else,
> AFAIK WhatsApp requires the user to have a mobile?
>

yes it requires a mobile but does not require a SIM with any credit.

I can buy a vulnerable person a cheap phone to use to keep in touch with me
without needing to fund a SIM. They can use free wifi to access Whatsapp
using text or video as required.

Many of the young people I work with have a learning disability and are
unable to communicate using a phone or the apps on it. Of course we use
other ways to stay in touch, including face to face during the Covid
lockdowns. Same applies to children living in risky homes, colleagues would
make face to face visits to check safety. Nobody was banging saucepans to
praise social workers for carrying on with little regard for their own
safety, with zero or minimal PPE.

Champ wrote:

> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
> says "social media" to you?

I've always assumed that WhatsApp is word-play on "What's up?" or
"Wassup?"[1] but as it's an app...

[1] In the Queen's English: "Hello, my good fellow, how are you?"

--
Chris

On Monday, 21 February 2022 at 14:25:07 UTC, Ben Blaney wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 6:00:43 AM UTC-5, wessie wrote:
> <Bonwick>
> > he's morphed into a pipe & slippers, grandfather type with a BMW R-GS
> > motorcycle, a motorhome, a pick-up, a puppy and a suburban house in a
> > Lancashire commuter town.
> I kinda feel like we should stage an intervention and save the poor bastard.

I think he's as happy as most tbh.

On 21/02/2022 11:00, wessie wrote:
> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:suvps2$nuc$2@dont-email.me:
>
>>
>>
>> On 20/02/2022 19:01, wessie wrote:
>>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>>> news:suu1ka$sqd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:
>>>>> Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think
>>>>> that
>>>> Always has been, IMO.
>>>>
>>>> Found most Adv type groups that way,
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, Bonwick is currently seeking advice about a new conservatory
>>> roof and previously a canopy for his new redneck pick-up.
>>
>> I'm trying to get to grip with Bonwick asking for advice, and not
>> giving it.
>>
>
> he's morphed into a pipe & slippers, grandfather type with a BMW R-GS
> motorcycle, a motorhome, a pick-up, a puppy and a suburban house in a
> Lancashire commuter town. He's not unique amongst the more vocal UKRMers of
> the past.

Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in news:sv0nb0$pvu$1@dont-email.me:

>
>
>
> On 21/02/2022 11:00, wessie wrote:
>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>> news:suvps2$nuc$2@dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/02/2022 19:01, wessie wrote:
>>>> YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:suu1ka$sqd$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20/02/2022 16:42, wessie wrote:
>>>>>> Sadly, the wanker quota on UKGSer is higher than UKRM and I think
>>>>>> that
>>>>> Always has been, IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Found most Adv type groups that way,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, Bonwick is currently seeking advice about a new conservatory
>>>> roof and previously a canopy for his new redneck pick-up.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get to grip with Bonwick asking for advice, and not
>>> giving it.
>>>
>>
>> he's morphed into a pipe & slippers, grandfather type with a BMW R-GS
>> motorcycle, a motorhome, a pick-up, a puppy and a suburban house in a
>> Lancashire commuter town. He's not unique amongst the more vocal
>> UKRMers of the past.
>
> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>

there have been some extenuating circumstances so be patient ...

On 21/02/2022 18:05 ChrisND @UKRM penned these words:
> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>
>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>
> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
> name surely? Its not for business (IMHO obvs)

They do have business accounts. Just recalled it is not just the banks here both
CIMB and HSBC, it is also my accountant in the UK same reasons E2E encryption
>
>>> For everyone else I resort to good old SMS.
>>
>> Blimey, the only thing SMS gets used for is 2FA these days.
>

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:00:31 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

>> Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the name surely?

>> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
>> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
>> says "social media" to you?
>
>I've always assumed that WhatsApp is word-play on "What's up?" or
>"Wassup?"[1] but as it's an app...

I think the derivations is clear, but neither the name nor the
functionality are really what I'd think of as Social Media. Sure, you
can put together large groups for group chats, but it's fundamentally
a messaging app, nothing more.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 21/02/2022 12:55, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>
>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>> name surely?
>
> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
> says "social media" to you?
A slight crossing of wires I think?
Its wasn't the 'Whatsapp' name so much as the fact that when talking
about 'Social Media' people seem to include the 'whatsapp' app as part
of the discussion.
I admit to a little ambiguity/laziness in my statement <G>
Chris

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 22/02/2022 00:13, Boots wrote:
> On 21/02/2022 18:05 ChrisND @UKRM penned these words:
>> On 21/02/2022 00:08, Boots wrote:
>>
>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>>
>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>> name surely? Its not for business (IMHO obvs)
>
> They do have business accounts. Just recalled it is not just the banks here both
> CIMB and HSBC, it is also my accountant in the UK same reasons E2E encryption

Wow! I admit to being 'not-up-to-date' on the latest incarnations of a
lot of this stuff which I would have been totally on top of in my former
professional life. So, my impressions of some stuff may well be
questionable - or even wrong. However, superficial examination suggests
that business use is 'safer' than I thought, and individual p2p use is
ok too but it is groups where it all gets a bit leaky :-)

Having removed the thing on first appearance a few years (and phones)
ago because I found it scary just how much the thing was delving into my
photos, contacts and our private lives, I have not felt the need to
revisit it. That was until a (real, non-virtual, social) group I am a
member of started to use it as an 'alternative' to the email, facebook
messenger and text groups we already have.

It was (and remains) beyond me why anyone would add yet another means of
communication to the mix when they already lack the brain cells to be
able to differentiate between a 'reply' and a 'reply all' using the
media they have, FFS!

Oops, turned into a bit of a rant...
Its nice and sunny outside...

Chris

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote in news:33691hleknv1tvkltc98mln6nk5s6v3r7s@
4ax.com:

> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:00:31 -0000 (UTC), "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Champ wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the name surely?
>
>>> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
>>> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
>>> says "social media" to you?
>>
>>I've always assumed that WhatsApp is word-play on "What's up?" or
>>"Wassup?"[1] but as it's an app...
>
> I think the derivations is clear, but neither the name nor the
> functionality are really what I'd think of as Social Media. Sure, you
> can put together large groups for group chats, but it's fundamentally
> a messaging app, nothing more.
>

they jury is out on whether Whatsapp falls into the category of social
media

it can certainly be used to share content and was very much used that
way by kids before Snapchat and Tiktok came about.

As I have mentioned above, Whatsapp can be used to share video, pictures
and messages without any credit on a PAYG phone by poncing free wifi
from Costa etc. For a short while, it was the social medium of youth
culture until those apps with more functionality took over. Hence why MZ
coughed up so much cash for it.

YTC#1 wrote:

> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)

If the dog continues the way it has been, there won't be much of a
house left to warm soon!

--
Chris

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:13:59 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 21/02/2022 12:55, Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
>> <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>>> name surely?
>> I'm similarly cynical about WhatsApp (owned, as it is, by
>> Faceb^h^h^h^h^h Meta), but I can't work out how the name "WhatsApp"
>> says "social media" to you?

>A slight crossing of wires I think?
Mebbe

>Its wasn't the 'Whatsapp' name so much
Wasn't it? You actually typed "The clue is in the name"!

>as the fact that when talking
>about 'Social Media' people seem to include the 'whatsapp' app as part
>of the discussion.
If you'd just suggest that WhatsApp falls within the class "social
media", I doubt I'd have disagreed. But because you specifically said
that the name WhatsApp strongly implied social media, which I didn't
(and still don't) see, I asked how so

Turns out you don't have an answer. Which is fine. Apologise and
move on.

>I admit to a little ambiguity/laziness in my statement <G>
I'll say!
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:57:35 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
wrote:

>Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)

It was great!

Oh.

Sorry

Weren't you invited?
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 22/02/2022 14:02, CT wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>
> If the dog continues the way it has been, there won't be much of a
> house left to warm soon!
>

They've alwasy got the van

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 22/02/2022 14:47, Champ wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:57:35 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>
> It was great!
>
> Oh.
>
> Sorry
>
> Weren't you invited?

:-P

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 22/02/2022 14:46, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 10:13:59 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
> <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 21/02/2022 12:55, Champ wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:05:33 +0000, "ChrisND @UKRM"
>>> <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> Much as I'd like to ditch WA there's way too many contacts on it including my banks
>
>>>> Banks? I find that scary. Whatsapp is social media. The clue is in the
>>>> name surely?
>
> If you'd just suggest that WhatsApp falls within the class "social
> media", I doubt I'd have disagreed.

That was indeed my intention...

> Turns out you don't have an answer. Which is fine. Apologise and
> move on.

I don't have a problem with that,
I apologise that I didn't make this clear enough in my original post.

Chris

--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 22/02/2022 15:26, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 22/02/2022 14:47, Champ wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:57:35 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>>
>> It was great!
>>
>> Oh.
>>
>> Sorry
>>
>> Weren't you invited?
>
> :-P

We invited ourselves for my birthday party :-D

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 22/02/2022 14:02, CT wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>
> If the dog continues the way it has been, there won't be much of a
> house left to warm soon!

That's if Andy doesn't find a big sack and some bricks first.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote in news:j7khp4F4t0pU2@mid.individual.net:

> On 22/02/2022 14:02, CT wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
>>
>> If the dog continues the way it has been, there won't be much of a
>> house left to warm soon!
>
> That's if Andy doesn't find a big sack and some bricks first.
>

he calls it Pissy Feet in the other place. I'm not sure Adie reads his
posts...

Eddie wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
> > Champ wrote:
> >> YTC#1 <b...@ytc1-spambin.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Still waiting for the housewarming party :-)
> >>
> >> Weren't you invited?
>
> We invited ourselves for my birthday party :-D

Who waits to be asked?

On 22/02/2022 18:26 ChrisND @UKRM penned these words:
> On 22/02/2022 00:13, Boots wrote:
>> On 21/02/2022 18:05 ChrisND @UKRM penned these words:
>>
>> CIMB and HSBC, it is also my accountant in the UK same reasons E2E encryption
>
> it is groups where it all gets a bit leaky :-)

Albeit that is a failure of the participants rather than the medium

> It was (and remains) beyond me why anyone would add yet another means of
> communication to the mix when they already lack the brain cells to be
> able to differentiate between

People :(

I tend to use the groups primarily for family and subsets of, i.e my kids, her
kids, local family and then hiking and hiking groups I am in. We plan and
organise our weekly hikes, add it to the group and those who want to add their
names to the attendee list by copy n paste modified, for our small numbers it
works well. Similar for the bike trips, albeit the plague put an end to those
one is on the horizon for October, depends on borders and getting the self
loading luggage fitter <fingers crossed>.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"