On 25/02/2022 15:14, Dave Brown wrote:
> Amen, plus I have a nice butter dish that I bought at a flea market in France that I like - so it lives on the worktop, and I can't stand going to make a sarnie and the butter ripping the bread apart like someone trying to polish a strawberry jelly.

When the butter is too hard for the bread then slice off the amount you
need, put it on the edge of the plate, put the plate in the microwave on
full for about 3-5 seconds and voila - spreadable butter.

If the butter melts in 'holes' then get a better microwave.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

On 25/02/2022 20:48, wessie wrote:
> "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:svbcep$jk4$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Ace wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As it happens, in recent years supermarkets have stocked "tendre"
>>> versions of both salted and unsalted (which is generally much less
>>> common) butter, so eliminates the 'rock-hard' issue.
>>>
>>
>> Here in NL we have "Grass butter" which they will have you believe is
>> made from cow's milk produced in the summer when they feed on fresh
>> grass istead of dry feed. It certainly is more spreadable and tastes
>> better. Is that the same as "tendre" ?
>>
>
> Butter from grass fed cows will be naturally more yellow and the fat
> content different, compared to cows fed on the usual winter mix of silage,
> grains and enriched cattle cake. Anchor from NZ use this as a marketing
> ploy as their cattle are grazing outdoors all year due to the climate.

Anchor is no longer from New Zealand. From Westbury, Wiltshire according
to the packets in the local Sainburys.

> The fodder crop will have a big difference to fat content and other
> properties. We experimented with lucerne (alfalfa). The dairy liked the
> milk as plenty of fat but it stank. Buttercups will really taint milk and a
> dairy will sanction the farmer if the content is too high. Then there was
> the time when the dairy herd broke a fence to get into some woods. They ate
> a load of wild garlic so the milking parlour smelt lovely for a couple of
> days.
>
> I can't find a recipe for tendre but the fodder crop will influence the
> exact nature of the fat produced then there is the processing where they
> might separate out the harder fats. The French also use cultures in some
> butters to change the flavour and texture.

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> Quite - butter from the fridge is pretty unusable, certainly to spread
> in any way

We currently have a tub of this in the fridge and it's awesome.

https://www.landolakes.com/products/butter-spreads/butter-with-olive-oil-and-sea-salt/

We keep real butter in a covered butter dish, not in the fridge.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On 2/25/2022 10:32 AM, siwilson wrote:
>
>
> Howsomever, I have just got an e-mail from my doctor who wants to have a
> chat after he's seen my latest blood results.
>
Same here. Then he scheduled me for an oncologist meeting in
mid-January. I'm sitting there, the doc walks in 20 minutes late, looks
at my data, says "OK. You have leukemia. Come back in 4 months." Then he
walked out.

> I can see statins in my future. <Waves to Krusty>
>
Been taking those every day for some years. Meh.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 26/02/2022 19:18, Turby wrote:
> On 2/25/2022 10:32 AM, siwilson wrote:
>>
>>
>> Howsomever, I have just got an e-mail from my doctor who wants to have
>> a chat after he's seen my latest blood results.
>>
> Same here. Then he scheduled me for an oncologist meeting in
> mid-January. I'm sitting there, the doc walks in 20 minutes late, looks
> at my data, says "OK. You have leukemia. Come back in 4 months." Then he
> walked out.
>

Jeez, is/was that it? That sounds...ominous?

--
/Simon

On 2/26/2022 11:22 AM, siwilson wrote:
> On 26/02/2022 19:18, Turby wrote:
>> On 2/25/2022 10:32 AM, siwilson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Howsomever, I have just got an e-mail from my doctor who wants to
>>> have a chat after he's seen my latest blood results.
>>>
>> Same here. Then he scheduled me for an oncologist meeting in
>> mid-January. I'm sitting there, the doc walks in 20 minutes late,
>> looks at my data, says "OK. You have leukemia. Come back in 4 months."
>> Then he walked out.
>>
>
> Jeez, is/was that it? That sounds...ominous?
>
Yeah. I think he felt uncomfortable talking about it. Google says people
have a 65% chance of living 5 years after diagnosis. I'll probably die
from something else before that. 3-4 more years would make me an average
white American male.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:sve0kq$8b3$1@dont-email.me:

> On 2/26/2022 11:22 AM, siwilson wrote:
>> On 26/02/2022 19:18, Turby wrote:
>>> On 2/25/2022 10:32 AM, siwilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Howsomever, I have just got an e-mail from my doctor who wants to
>>>> have a chat after he's seen my latest blood results.
>>>>
>>> Same here. Then he scheduled me for an oncologist meeting in
>>> mid-January. I'm sitting there, the doc walks in 20 minutes late,
>>> looks at my data, says "OK. You have leukemia. Come back in 4 months."
>>> Then he walked out.
>>>
>>
>> Jeez, is/was that it? That sounds...ominous?
>>
> Yeah. I think he felt uncomfortable talking about it. Google says people
> have a 65% chance of living 5 years after diagnosis.
>

my brother in law was diagnosed with CML in the 1990s. He's in his mid 60s
now. He has been taking this stuff since taking part in the first UK trial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imatinib#Chronic_myelogenous_leukemia

> I'll probably die
> from something else before that. 3-4 more years would make me an average
> white American male.

yes, such as riding a motorcycle or being collateral damage whilst visiting
Europe as WW3 erupts. Are you still fluent in Russian?

On 26/02/2022 20:32 Bruce Horrocks penned these words:
> On 25/02/2022 15:14, Dave Brown wrote:
>> Amen, plus I have a nice butter dish that I bought at a flea market in France that I like - so it lives on the worktop, and I can't stand going to make a sarnie and the butter ripping the bread apart like someone trying to polish a strawberry jelly.
>
> When the butter is too hard for the bread then slice off the amount you
> need, put it on the edge of the plate, put the plate in the microwave on
> full for about 3-5 seconds and voila - spreadable butter.

Or just wait 5 minutes, put a brew on and it will have become soft enough to
spread anyway.

>
> If the butter melts in 'holes' then get a better microwave.
>

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On 2/26/2022 12:31 PM, wessie wrote:
> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:sve0kq$8b3$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2/26/2022 11:22 AM, siwilson wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2022 19:18, Turby wrote:
>>>> On 2/25/2022 10:32 AM, siwilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Howsomever, I have just got an e-mail from my doctor who wants to
>>>>> have a chat after he's seen my latest blood results.
>>>>>
>>>> Same here. Then he scheduled me for an oncologist meeting in
>>>> mid-January. I'm sitting there, the doc walks in 20 minutes late,
>>>> looks at my data, says "OK. You have leukemia. Come back in 4 months."
>>>> Then he walked out.
>>>
>>> Jeez, is/was that it? That sounds...ominous?
>>>
>> Yeah. I think he felt uncomfortable talking about it. Google says people
>> have a 65% chance of living 5 years after diagnosis.
>
> my brother in law was diagnosed with CML in the 1990s. He's in his mid 60s
> now. He has been taking this stuff since taking part in the first UK trial
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imatinib#Chronic_myelogenous_leukemia
>
>> I'll probably die
>> from something else before that. 3-4 more years would make me an average
>> white American male.
>
> yes, such as riding a motorcycle or being collateral damage whilst visiting
> Europe as WW3 erupts. Are you still fluent in Russian?

Hah. I've forgotten a lot over the last 50+ years, but I still remember
"Fuck your mother!" along with a few other profanities.

It's interesting. My last trip was to Turkey and coming back, I came
through Ukraine as far as Odessa, which has a long history itself. Then
I rode through Transnistria, which I'd never heard of. And now it seems
it is one of the places Russia had troops stationed for the invasion.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 27/02/2022 00:06, Turby wrote:
> On 2/26/2022 12:31 PM, wessie wrote:
>> Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:sve0kq$8b3$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 2/26/2022 11:22 AM, siwilson wrote:
>>>> On 26/02/2022 19:18, Turby wrote:
>>>>> On 2/25/2022 10:32 AM, siwilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Howsomever, I have just got an e-mail from my doctor who wants to
>>>>>> have a chat after he's seen my latest blood results.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Same here. Then he scheduled me for an oncologist meeting in
>>>>> mid-January. I'm sitting there, the doc walks in 20 minutes late,
>>>>> looks at my data, says "OK. You have leukemia. Come back in 4 months."
>>>>> Then he walked out.
>>>>
>>>> Jeez, is/was that it? That sounds...ominous?
>>>>
>>> Yeah. I think he felt uncomfortable talking about it. Google says people
>>> have a 65% chance of living 5 years after diagnosis.
>>
>> my brother in law was diagnosed with CML in the 1990s. He's in his mid
>> 60s
>> now. He has been taking this stuff since taking part in the first UK
>> trial
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imatinib#Chronic_myelogenous_leukemia
>>
>>> I'll probably die
>>> from something else before that. 3-4 more years would make me an average
>>> white American male.
>>
>> yes, such as riding a motorcycle or being collateral damage whilst
>> visiting
>> Europe as WW3 erupts. Are you still fluent in Russian?
>
> Hah. I've forgotten a lot over the last 50+ years, but I still remember
> "Fuck your mother!" along with a few other profanities.
>
> It's interesting. My last trip was to Turkey and coming back, I came
> through Ukraine as far as Odessa, which has a long history itself. Then
> I rode through Transnistria, which I'd never heard of. And now it seems
> it is one of the places Russia had troops stationed for the invasion.
>
>

I've ridden through Ukraine twice now, and the people have always been
friendly, despite my opening words usually being 'sorry for speaking
Russian" before asking a simpl question.

Crossing from Russia to Ukraine in 2017, at a small border post, was the
when I realised how finely balanced it was there.

The Russian border had been very low key and swiftly passed.

At the Ukranian post it was fully manned by an army unit. There was
camoflaged large bore weapons and our paper work taken away for
inspection (I don't think I have ever let it all go out of my site
before). Passport stamped with non of the usual facial recognition.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 08:24:19 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:

> I've ridden through Ukraine twice now, and the people have always been
> friendly, despite my opening words usually being 'sorry for speaking
> Russian" before asking a simpl question.

I've only been there once. Didn't try speaking to them in anything apart
from English and (bad, very limited) German.
> Crossing from Russia to Ukraine in 2017, at a small border post, was the
> when I realised how finely balanced it was there.
>
> The Russian border had been very low key and swiftly passed.
>
> At the Ukranian post it was fully manned by an army unit. There was
> camoflaged large bore weapons and our paper work taken away for
> inspection (I don't think I have ever let it all go out of my site
> before). Passport stamped with non of the usual facial recognition.

I didn't think it was that different from other 'proper' borders when we did
Belarus/Ukraine and then Ukraine/Russia in 2019.

Crossing from Belarus into Ukraine took an hour to leave Belarus and
about an hour and a quarter to enter Ukraine. Quite a decent border
crossing really... except it was quite busy and at the Ukrainian immigration
desk the woman couldn't / wouldn't speak anything but Ukranian or Russian
and after about five minutes told us to 'go away'. So we stepped to one side
and let the queue subside a little and then one of the Ukranians crossing the
border translated for us. When she asked for the purpose of our visit and we
said 'holiday'... our helpful translator told us her reaction was 'no one comes
to Ukraine on holiday' (with a derisive snort).

Leaving from Ukraine into Russia (at Hlukhiv) took about 30 minutes to leave
Ukraine with the only remarkable things being that they wanted to read the
frame number of my bike and used a torch to do so (headstock obscured by tank
and other 'stuff'') oh, and they wanted to know if I had any drugs and mimed
injecting into the neck to help with the translation... Entering Russia, however
took 4 hours and 20 minutes but that was mostly because a computer used in
one stage to print essential paperwork kept crashing... it was running Windows
95 FFS! In 2019...

The time in Ukraine was great, the people were friendly and the country was
impressively large and flat. We had planned to go back in 2020 but... well...

Not sure if I'll ever get the chance to go to Russia again now. Shame really
because I did like it and always hoped one day I'd do the big trip to Mongolia.

Oh well.

Stephen Packer <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote in
news:45af70eb-d62f-4094-a9fc-0d729c70a674n@googlegroups.com:

> So we stepped to one side and let the queue subside a little and
> then one of the Ukranians crossing the border translated for us. When
> she asked for the purpose of our visit and we said 'holiday'... our
> helpful translator told us her reaction was 'no one comes to Ukraine
> on holiday' (with a derisive snort).
>

I had similar in the UK only the jumped up offcial asking, "papers please"
was not amused by seeing some tourists. "Nobody comes here except coach
loads of Americans."

This was the early 1990s and the official was an army corporal from
Basingstoke on duty in Armagh. I had no papers, just a Midland Bank credit
card as no passport/photo ID needed to cross the Irish Sea back then.

stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> Crossing from Belarus into Ukraine took an hour to leave Belarus and
> about an hour and a quarter to enter Ukraine. Quite a decent border
> crossing really... except it was quite busy and at the Ukrainian immigration
> desk the woman couldn't / wouldn't speak anything but Ukranian or Russian
> and after about five minutes told us to 'go away'. So we stepped to one side
> and let the queue subside a little and then one of the Ukranians crossing the
> border translated for us. When she asked for the purpose of our visit and we
> said 'holiday'... our helpful translator told us her reaction was 'no one comes
> to Ukraine on holiday' (with a derisive snort).

She knows nothing.

> The time in Ukraine was great, the people were friendly and the country was
> impressively large and flat. We had planned to go back in 2020 but... well...
>
> Not sure if I'll ever get the chance to go to Russia again now.

I've put my plans to learn Russian on hold indefinitely, as I can't see it coming in particularly useful.

I'm going to give up trying to plan holidays, too. It never seems to end well. Was going to go to Beirut and it blew up. Tried to go to Ukraine and the car conked out, then the country exploded. Maybe I should just plan to go to places I don't like the look of, out of spite.

stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > At the Ukranian post it was fully manned by an army unit. There was
> > camoflaged large bore weapons and our paper work taken away for
> > inspection (I don't think I have ever let it all go out of my site
> > before).

Only time I can think of that mine's been taken away was entering Bosnia by bus.

> Passport stamped with non of the usual facial recognition.

Same there too. The driver's mate took everyone's passports in a stack, went for a smoke with the border staff while we stayed on the bus, and brought them back ten minutes later all freshly stamped, with not a glance at any of the passengers.

Mind you, getting out of Croatia a few minutes earlier had been a right faff. Everyone off the bus, lined up at the border post, up to the booth one by one, and they seemed well grumpy about a few of them. And that was *leaving*.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 05:11:45 -0800 (PST), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I'm going to give up trying to plan holidays, too.
>It never seems to end well.
>Was going to go to Beirut and it blew up.
>Tried to go to Ukraine and the car conked out, then the country exploded.
>Maybe I should just plan to go to places I don't like the look of, out of spite.

A colleague at work earned a reputation of visiting places just before
they fell to pieces, politically.
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 13:15:45 UTC, ogden wrote:
> stephen...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > At the Ukranian post it was fully manned by an army unit. There was
> > > camoflaged large bore weapons and our paper work taken away for
> > > inspection (I don't think I have ever let it all go out of my site
> > > before).
> Only time I can think of that mine's been taken away was entering Bosnia by bus.

At passport control I can't remember it being out of my site.

I can remember several occasions of hotels wanting to 'hold' it to register me
(St Petersburg, Beijing and Venice(!) I'm sure there were others.) Also, bizarrely
the R&D dept of Telecom Italia held my passport at the gatehouse when I
visited once- the man on the gatehouse was in a uniform with a gun on his
belt.

On 24/02/2022 21:23, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 24/02/2022 17:29, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 24/02/2022 12:40, Champ wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two of the three bands I'm in have gravitated to WhatsApp - one band
>>>> was
>>>> already using it when I joined, the other used WhatsApp and FB
>>>> Messenger
>>>> and a bit of email and finally we finished up with WhatsApp, partly
>>>> because we were sending photos and so on to the rest of the band. The
>>>> third band, I just talk to the occupant of the other end of the settee.
>>>>
>>>> A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>>>> three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>>>> so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.
>>>
>>> <face palm>
>>>
>>> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?
>>
>> With just three of us, Cc: wouldn't exactly have been onerous, and he
>> also used FB Messenger so that was another possible route. Dunno.
>
> Was he the bass player?

FOYRNB.

Mike (bass)

On 25/02/2022 14:25, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:03:19 +0000, Sqirrel99
> <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "How do you know when a drummer is at your door?
>> He knocks three times then comes in late."
>> - Stolen from Mark Kermode.
>
> My version of this is
> Q How do you know there's a drummer at the door
> A The knocking gets faster
>
> ...but I prefer
> Q How do you know there's a singer at your front door
> A You open it but he still doesn't know when to come in

And they've forgotten the key.

On 27/02/2022 16:57, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 24/02/2022 21:23, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 24/02/2022 17:29, Mike Fleming wrote:
>>> On 24/02/2022 12:40, Champ wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:16:24 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Two of the three bands I'm in have gravitated to WhatsApp - one
>>>>> band was
>>>>> already using it when I joined, the other used WhatsApp and FB
>>>>> Messenger
>>>>> and a bit of email and finally we finished up with WhatsApp, partly
>>>>> because we were sending photos and so on to the rest of the band. The
>>>>> third band, I just talk to the occupant of the other end of the
>>>>> settee.
>>>>>
>>>>> A band I have recently parted company with used email - it was a
>>>>> three-piece, the band leader would email the drummer and me separately
>>>>> so it all finished up as email ping-pang-pong. Seemed daft to me.
>>>>
>>>> <face palm>
>>>>
>>>> Was he not aware of email distribution lists?
>>>
>>> With just three of us, Cc: wouldn't exactly have been onerous, and he
>>> also used FB Messenger so that was another possible route. Dunno.
>>
>> Was he the bass player?
>
> FOYRNB.
>

Ah, finaly, it hits the target :-)

> Mike (bass)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 27/02/2022 10:49, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 08:24:19 UTC, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> I've ridden through Ukraine twice now, and the people have always been
>> friendly, despite my opening words usually being 'sorry for speaking
>> Russian" before asking a simpl question.
>
> I've only been there once. Didn't try speaking to them in anything apart
> from English and (bad, very limited) German.

Trust me, my Russian was(is) bad.
I think the same appraoch is needed with German use there as well.

>
>> Crossing from Russia to Ukraine in 2017, at a small border post, was the
>> when I realised how finely balanced it was there.
>>
>> The Russian border had been very low key and swiftly passed.
>>
>> At the Ukranian post it was fully manned by an army unit. There was
>> camoflaged large bore weapons and our paper work taken away for
>> inspection (I don't think I have ever let it all go out of my site
>> before). Passport stamped with non of the usual facial recognition.
>
> I didn't think it was that different from other 'proper' borders when we did
> Belarus/Ukraine and then Ukraine/Russia in 2019.

Two more years on I suppose.
Vack in 2013 it was very convivial on both sides.

>
> Crossing from Belarus into Ukraine took an hour to leave Belarus and
<snip>
> said 'holiday'... our helpful translator told us her reaction was 'no one comes
> to Ukraine on holiday' (with a derisive snort).

She probably had a point :-)

>
> Leaving from Ukraine into Russia (at Hlukhiv) took about 30 minutes to leave

Ah, that was the one we used in 2017, I used the one on the main drag in
2013, which was a busy border (about 90 mins to cross both sides).

> Ukraine with the only remarkable things being that they wanted to read the
> frame number of my bike and used a torch to do so (headstock obscured by tank
> and other 'stuff'') oh, and they wanted to know if I had any drugs and mimed
> injecting into the neck to help with the translation... Entering Russia, however
> took 4 hours and 20 minutes but that was mostly because a computer used in
> one stage to print essential paperwork kept crashing... it was running Windows
> 95 FFS! In 2019...

You should have offered to fix it :-)

>
> The time in Ukraine was great, the people were friendly and the country was
> impressively large and flat. We had planned to go back in 2020 but... well...
>
> Not sure if I'll ever get the chance to go to Russia again now. Shame really
> because I did like it and always hoped one day I'd do the big trip to Mongolia.
>
A trip I am happy we did, but not one I would rush to do again.

Now, Krygystan ....... maybe a fly/ride :-)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 25/02/2022 20:48, wessie wrote:
>
> The fodder crop will have a big difference to fat content and other
> properties. We experimented with lucerne (alfalfa). The dairy liked the
> milk as plenty of fat but it stank. Buttercups will really taint milk and a
> dairy will sanction the farmer if the content is too high. Then there was
> the time when the dairy herd broke a fence to get into some woods. They ate
> a load of wild garlic so the milking parlour smelt lovely for a couple of
> days.

Ready-made garlic butter? Where can I get this?

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 23:29:48 +0000, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

>On 25/02/2022 20:48, wessie wrote:

>
>Ready-made garlic butter? Where can I get this?

Lurpak, from Sainsbury's
--
Salad Dodger
1690 FLHTK;GL1800D
Previously ...
CB1300SA8;GL1800A6;GL1500SEV;CBR1100XXX;
CBR1000FL;CBX1000Z;GPz750R;Z750E1;Z650C2;
KH500A8;KH250B3;TS250c;TS185c.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 05:44:03 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 13:15:45 UTC, ogden wrote:
>> stephen...@gmail.com wrote:

>> > > At the Ukranian post it was fully manned by an army unit. There was
>> > > camoflaged large bore weapons and our paper work taken away for
>> > > inspection (I don't think I have ever let it all go out of my site
>> > > before).
>> Only time I can think of that mine's been taken away was entering Bosnia by bus.
>
>At passport control I can't remember it being out of my site.

Oddly enough it's not unusual (well, it's happened to me perhaps three
or four tines over the years) when entering Switzerland for them to
take your passport, driving licence and car reg documents away and
presumably run them through the computer to check they're all
consistent. Not so much to validate who you are and whether you're
allowed to enter, but more to check whether there's any outstanding
fines, judgments or warrants. At least that's always been my
assumption.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 18:06:14 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 25/02/2022 14:25, Champ wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:03:19 +0000, Sqirrel99
>> <secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "How do you know when a drummer is at your door?
>>> He knocks three times then comes in late."
>>> - Stolen from Mark Kermode.
>>
>> My version of this is
>> Q How do you know there's a drummer at the door
>> A The knocking gets faster
>>
>> ...but I prefer
>> Q How do you know there's a singer at your front door
>> A You open it but he still doesn't know when to come in

>And they've forgotten the key.

<applause>
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:29:51 PM UTC, Eddie wrote:
> On 25/02/2022 20:48, wessie wrote:
> >
> > The fodder crop will have a big difference to fat content and other
> > properties. We experimented with lucerne (alfalfa). The dairy liked the
> > milk as plenty of fat but it stank. Buttercups will really taint milk and a
> > dairy will sanction the farmer if the content is too high. Then there was
> > the time when the dairy herd broke a fence to get into some woods. They ate
> > a load of wild garlic so the milking parlour smelt lovely for a couple of
> > days.
> Ready-made garlic butter? Where can I get this?
>

I always have the oak smoked one in the fridge, great to place a knob on a resting steak (fnarr fnarr)

https://www.thegarlicfarm.co.uk/buy/salts-butter