On 01/04/2022 08:04, Pip Luscher wrote:
> ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > how many inches in a yard?I have no idea, but I have a
> reasonable idea how big each unit is, and I'd be picking an
> appropriate unit for the measurement.
>
> [Possibly bad form to reply twice to a post]
>
> Come to think of it, even the Metric world has units of
> convenience: we commonly measure energy in KWh, usually when
> supplied electrically. EV battery charge is not measured in SI
> joules. Scientifically, nuclear reaction energies are measured in
> eV not joules, and stellar distances use all sorts of units. Hum.
> Still, for engineering and formal measures, feet, inches and
> pounds can fuck right off.

Trivia quiz time: name a measuring device commonly found in the home
that is only ever marked in non-metric units?

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

Bruce Horrocks <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote in news:dca2d581-0f44-d062-
4fd4-9764b2486659@scorecrow.com:

> On 01/04/2022 08:04, Pip Luscher wrote:
>> ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>> > how many inches in a yard?I have no idea, but I have a
>> reasonable idea how big each unit is, and I'd be picking an
>> appropriate unit for the measurement.
>>
>> [Possibly bad form to reply twice to a post]
>>
>> Come to think of it, even the Metric world has units of
>> convenience: we commonly measure energy in KWh, usually when
>> supplied electrically. EV battery charge is not measured in SI
>> joules. Scientifically, nuclear reaction energies are measured in
>> eV not joules, and stellar distances use all sorts of units. Hum.
>> Still, for engineering and formal measures, feet, inches and
>> pounds can fuck right off.
>
>
> Trivia quiz time: name a measuring device commonly found in the home
> that is only ever marked in non-metric units?
>

the liberated pint glass

On 01/04/2022 22:15, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 01/04/2022 15:15, Ace wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 04:54:57 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
>> <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 5:54:25 AM UTC-4, ogden wrote:
>>>
>>>> It still amazes me, when I see this discussed on places like Reddit,
>>>> when yanks defend the use of cups in recipes on the basis that "not
>>>> everyone has scales". As if it's still 1850 and a set of scales is
>>>> still a big bulky metal thing with separate weights, and not a
>>>> little electronic slab costing about a fiver.
>>>
>>> <small voice>
>>>
>>> I quite like the cup measure thing.  I can't articulate why, but I
>>> can say that when I cook or bake using a recipe organized in cups and
>>> spoons it always turns out alright.
>>
>> Well yes, the recipes are designed that way. The problem occurs on;y
>> when trying to follow a yank recipe using modern equipment. It's a
>> hell of a lot easier when making, for example, a cake, to simply add
>> the ingredients to a single mixing bowl in their turn, using the same
>> electronic scales for each one, than measuring each one out in a
>> seperate measure, potentially having to clean it off each time you
>> switch between liquids and dry ingredients, and using still more
>> obscure measures as well, like half a 'stick' of butter.
>
> Surely everyone has one of these in their kitchen?
> <https://www.johnlewis.com/tala-1960-cooks-dry-measuring-cup/p231339404>
>
> The main advantage over the mixing bowl approach is that if you
> accidentally put too much in you can simply tip it back into the packet.

But it's "Made in England" so it won't be the same size as an American cup.

On 01/04/2022 22:32, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
> On 01/04/2022 08:04, Pip Luscher wrote:
>> ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>   > how many inches in a yard?I have no idea, but I have a
>>   reasonable idea how big each unit is, and I'd be picking an
>>   appropriate unit for the measurement.
>>
>> [Possibly bad form to reply twice to a post]
>>
>> Come to think of it, even the Metric world has units of
>>   convenience: we commonly measure energy in KWh, usually when
>>   supplied  electrically. EV battery charge is not measured in SI
>>   joules. Scientifically, nuclear reaction energies are measured in
>>   eV not joules, and stellar distances use all sorts of units. Hum.
>>   Still, for engineering and formal measures, feet, inches and
>>   pounds can fuck right off.
>
>
> Trivia quiz time: name a measuring device commonly found in the home
> that is only ever marked in non-metric units?

Measuring spoons? Multimeter?

sig wrote:

> On 30/03/2022 18:53, Stephen Packer wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 30 March 2022 at 15:12:33 UTC+1, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> >
> >
> > > So, I suppose I have a foot in both camps. What I do not
> > > subscribe to though is the notion that metrication is easier for
> > > the general populace to understand. As long as people need to
> > > look up conversions on their phone in Tesco for questions such as
> > > "What is 320 grammes in Kilogrammes?", then there is no hope for
> > > this ideology and we might as well continue to use arbitrary
> > > measurements.
> >
> > You'll never have a system that's suitable for a lot of people,
> > whatever it is, it's a reflection on people's numeracy/education
> > not on the ease of units.
> >
> > But metric is easier for the majority of numerate people.
> >
> > Does it mean we should switch from miles and pints? Frankly I
> > don't give a fuck but how many people know how many yards there are
> > in a mile, or come to that how many inches in a yard?; I suspect
> > across the population a significantly smaller number than know how
> > many metres in a kilometre or cm in a m.
>
> As a historian of the medieval and latterly the Victorian period I
> have to keep a fairly competent understanding of Imperial and earlier
> systems - much easier than constantly having to convert to metric.
>
> Something most metrication evangelists miss is that the older systems
> have clear internal principles. One such is an aversion to large
> numbers; this is why there appear to be too many units, e.g.
> inch-feet- yard-furlong-miles-leagues or
> ounce-pound-stone-hundredweight-ton. Most of the time people used
> only a couple of the units in a single instance, otherwise the
> problem of false precision would arise.

The French have a lot to answer for, house numbers, insisting that the
Dutch take a surname (which they did reluctantly eg."BornNaked") and
the Metric system. It's obviously much easier for calculations and
things like measuring planet circumference or distance to stars which
are numbers I can't really comprehend anyway. It's the human factor I
miss, length of finger, arm, leg or how much your horse can plough in a
day. The fact that 12 can be easily divided by 2,3 or 4 seems like an
advantage to me also, what is life without thirds?
I live in the heart of metricated Europe but eggs still come in boxes
of 6 and pipes and wood are sold in sizes which look suspiciously like
converted imp sizes. A pint is still the best size for British beer,
500ml is fine for German beer and 250ml is nice for Belgian beer I
find. 750ml is ideal for a wine bottle giving 5 x 150ml glasses(perhaps
600ml would be better for say, two couples having a drink?).
I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a mistake
(snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which had to be
corrected in 1964.

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

"geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:t29833$3c2$1@dont-email.me:

> 600ml would be better for say, two couples having a drink?).
> I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a mistake
> (snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which had to be
> corrected in 1964.
>

I take it you haven't spent much time with UKRM couples?

A 3 litre bag in box would be an ap�ritif and you would need a magnum with
each course.

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 01:44:57 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 01/04/2022 22:32, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>> On 01/04/2022 08:04, Pip Luscher wrote:
>>> ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>   > how many inches in a yard?I have no idea, but I have a
>>>   reasonable idea how big each unit is, and I'd be picking an
>>>   appropriate unit for the measurement.
>>>
>>> [Possibly bad form to reply twice to a post]
>>>
>>> Come to think of it, even the Metric world has units of
>>>   convenience: we commonly measure energy in KWh, usually when
>>>   supplied  electrically. EV battery charge is not measured in SI
>>>   joules. Scientifically, nuclear reaction energies are measured in
>>>   eV not joules, and stellar distances use all sorts of units. Hum.
>>>   Still, for engineering and formal measures, feet, inches and
>>>   pounds can fuck right off.
>>
>>
>> Trivia quiz time: name a measuring device commonly found in the home
>> that is only ever marked in non-metric units?
>
>Measuring spoons? Multimeter?

No to either - my measuring spoons have ml markings and I've never
heard of an Imperial multimeter. What units would you use?

Measuring jugs are all dual-unit.

Possibly something like a washing powder cup or spaghetti measure.

--

-Pip

On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 22:32:57 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>Trivia quiz time: name a measuring device commonly found in the home
>that is only ever marked in non-metric units?

Gas meter? Or Electric, for that matter.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

wessie wrote:

> "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:t29833$3c2$1@dont-email.me:
>
>
> > 600ml would be better for say, two couples having a drink?).
> > I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a mistake
> > (snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which had to be
> > corrected in 1964.
> >
>
> I take it you haven't spent much time with UKRM couples?
>
> A 3 litre bag in box would be an ap�ritif and you would need a magnum
> with each course.

It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after you
have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle, divide
evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that appeals?
Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the standard 15cl is
near enough perfection for me :-)

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:40:30 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:

>It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after you
>have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle, divide
>evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that appeals?
>Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the standard 15cl is
>near enough perfection for me :-)

I don't know why you think that 150ml is a 'standard' glass. I still
think of six glasses to the bottle, which gives an exact multiple, but
it's moot point anyway, cos in practice, at home, who is ever going to
measure each glass like that?

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

"geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:t29g7u$75i$1@dont-email.me:

> wessie wrote:
>
>> "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:t29833$3c2$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>> > 600ml would be better for say, two couples having a drink?).
>> > I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a mistake
>> > (snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which had to be
>> > corrected in 1964.
>> >
>>
>> I take it you haven't spent much time with UKRM couples?
>>
>> A 3 litre bag in box would be an ap�ritif and you would need a magnum
>> with each course.
>
> It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after you
> have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle, divide
> evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that appeals?
> Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the standard 15cl is
> near enough perfection for me :-)
>
>

Laithwaites (online wine merchant) keep offering "free" stemless glasses
with their promotional cases. These are 50cl buckets. Good for 440ml
cans of Guinness.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dartington-Crystal-Stemless-Wine-Glasses/dp/B07C839G3X

Ace wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:40:30 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
> > It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after
> > you have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle,
> > divide evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that
> > appeals? Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the
> > standard 15cl is near enough perfection for me :-)
>
> I don't know why you think that 150ml is a 'standard' glass. I still
> think of six glasses to the bottle, which gives an exact multiple, but
> it's moot point anyway, cos in practice, at home, who is ever going to
> measure each glass like that?

ITYF most restaurants and bars will aim to get 5 glasses from a
standard bottle of wine which equates to 15cl a glass, that is my
experience anyway and it suits me fine.
Obviously I don't measure when pouring wine but I would try and pour 4
equal glasses.

Anyway with a glass like this:

https://www.e.leclerc/fp/verre-a-vin-ballon-190-ml-x-12-arcoroc-verre-0652217499735

I just fill it till it looks right and that is invariably around 15cl.
Perhaps I should refer to it as a 'basic' glass because that is
invariably the sort of glass they use in Routiers which have always
struck me as 'basic' restaurants serving basic food and drink similar
to what is to be found in a majority of French homes. Lots of
assumptions here so I could be wildly wrong, just my experience.

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

On 02/04/2022 21:09 Ace penned these words:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:40:30 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>> It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after you
>> have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle, divide
>> evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that appeals?
>> Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the standard 15cl is
>> near enough perfection for me :-)
>
> I don't know why you think that 150ml is a 'standard' glass. I still
> think of six glasses to the bottle, which gives an exact multiple, but
> it's moot point anyway, cos in practice, at home, who is ever going to
> measure each glass like that?
>
We rarely crack open wine, L is a very intermittent drinker albeit there's a few
reds she likes but it is bottle open 1 glass for her, the rest for me.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

Boots <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote in
news:6c5nhi-ka8.ln1@bilbo.eternal-september.org:

> On 02/04/2022 21:09 Ace penned these words:
>> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:40:30 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after
>>> you have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle,
>>> divide evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that
>>> appeals? Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the
>>> standard 15cl is near enough perfection for me :-)
>>
>> I don't know why you think that 150ml is a 'standard' glass. I still
>> think of six glasses to the bottle, which gives an exact multiple,
>> but it's moot point anyway, cos in practice, at home, who is ever
>> going to measure each glass like that?
>>
> We rarely crack open wine, L is a very intermittent drinker albeit
> there's a few reds she likes but it is bottle open 1 glass for her,
> the rest for me.
>

you won't get much if she uses one of those stemless, half litre jobs...

On 02/04/2022 11:21, geoffC wrote:

> I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a mistake
> (snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which had to be
> corrected in 1964.
>
Is that when they switched the spelling of it as well?

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 02/04/2022 14:09, Ace wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 12:40:30 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>> It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after you
>> have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle, divide
>> evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that appeals?
>> Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the standard 15cl is
>> near enough perfection for me :-)
>
> I don't know why you think that 150ml is a 'standard' glass. I still
> think of six glasses to the bottle, which gives an exact multiple, but

3, surely.

> it's moot point anyway, cos in practice, at home, who is ever going to
> measure each glass like that?
>

Anyone following the Slimming World diet.

I've stood fascinated as my daughter has weighed[1] out each glass of wine.

[1] Bloody good scales, went and bought myself a set.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

Boots wrote:

> We rarely crack open wine, L is a very intermittent drinker albeit
> there's a few reds she likes but it is bottle open 1 glass for her,
> the rest for me.

Sounds ideal, everybody happy.

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

On 02/04/2022 13:17, Pipl wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 01:44:57 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/04/2022 22:32, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2022 08:04, Pip Luscher wrote:
>>>> ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>   > how many inches in a yard?I have no idea, but I have a
>>>>   reasonable idea how big each unit is, and I'd be picking an
>>>>   appropriate unit for the measurement.
>>>>
>>>> [Possibly bad form to reply twice to a post]
>>>>
>>>> Come to think of it, even the Metric world has units of
>>>>   convenience: we commonly measure energy in KWh, usually when
>>>>   supplied  electrically. EV battery charge is not measured in SI
>>>>   joules. Scientifically, nuclear reaction energies are measured in
>>>>   eV not joules, and stellar distances use all sorts of units. Hum.
>>>>   Still, for engineering and formal measures, feet, inches and
>>>>   pounds can fuck right off.
>>>
>>>
>>> Trivia quiz time: name a measuring device commonly found in the home
>>> that is only ever marked in non-metric units?
>>
>> Measuring spoons? Multimeter?
>
> No to either - my measuring spoons have ml markings and I've never
> heard of an Imperial multimeter. What units would you use?
>
> Measuring jugs are all dual-unit.
>
> Possibly something like a washing powder cup or spaghetti measure.

Without a clue this could become quite protracted...

--
Bruce Horrocks
FJR1300AS

YTC#1 wrote:

> On 02/04/2022 11:21, geoffC wrote:
>
> > I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a mistake
> > (snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which had to be
> > corrected in 1964.
> >
> Is that when they switched the spelling of it as well?

That's the 'non-French' spelling ;-)

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

wessie wrote:

> Laithwaites (online wine merchant) keep offering "free" stemless
> glasses with their promotional cases. These are 50cl buckets. Good
> for 440ml cans of Guinness.
>
>
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dartington-Crystal-Stemless-Wine-Glasses/dp/B07C839G3X

What's the advantage?

--
Simon

Turby wrote:

> On 4/1/2022 2:54 AM, ogden wrote:
> > sweller wrote:
> > > Ace wrote:
> > >
> > > > A cup of liquid is completely useless, a ridiculous measuring
> > > > system that makes US recipes quite hard to follow, especially
> > > > when it's used for dry ingredients,
> > >
> > > This.
> >
> > It still amazes me, when I see this discussed on places like
> > Reddit, when yanks defend the use of cups in recipes on the basis
> > that "not everyone has scales". As if it's still 1850 and a set of
> > scales is still a big bulky metal thing with separate weights, and
> > not a little electronic slab costing about a fiver.
>
> After 26 years of living in this house, I still don't own any kitchen
> scales. Never needed them. I have a set of balancing scales (of
> justice) in the basement that I got for dealing drugs, but they've
> been gathering dust for eons.

Yes, I suppose a cup would be quite a generous measure for recreational
softdrugs.

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

Bruce Horrocks wrote:

>
> Surely everyone has one of these in their kitchen?
>
<https://www.johnlewis.com/tala-1960-cooks-dry-measuring-cup/p231339404>
>
> The main advantage over the mixing bowl approach is that if you
> accidentally put too much in you can simply tip it back into the
> packet.

You obviously were not paying attention when Alan Millyard explained
Tracey's tip that it is better to put the packet of ingredients on the
scales and bring it down to the weight you have deftly calculated by
subtracting the amount you need. Or were you?

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

sweller wrote:

> wessie wrote:
>
> > Laithwaites (online wine merchant) keep offering "free" stemless
> > glasses with their promotional cases. These are 50cl buckets. Good
> > for 440ml cans of Guinness.
> >
> >
>
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dartington-Crystal-Stemless-Wine-Glasses/dp/B07C839G3X
>
> What's the advantage?

I find when drinking frothy beer, it's sometimes nice to have a glass
with thin walls and a ground rim so you can scrape the froth from your
upper lip.

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

"sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in
news:jathjkF380dU1@mid.individual.net:

> wessie wrote:
>
>> Laithwaites (online wine merchant) keep offering "free" stemless
>> glasses with their promotional cases. These are 50cl buckets. Good
>> for 440ml cans of Guinness.
>>
>>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dartington-Crystal-Stemless-Wine-Glasses/dp/B0
> 7C839G3X
>
> What's the advantage?
>

just the size - volume of the can plus 13% gives just the right amount of
space for the expansion of the head frothed up by the nitrogen widget.

Guinness actually gave away a 500ml glass in the same design as their pub
pint glasses. It was included in the multipack when the widget cans were
new. I had a couple but they eventually got lost or broken so the 500ml
wine glasses serve the same purpose.

On 4/3/2022 5:22 AM, geoffC wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>
>> On 4/1/2022 2:54 AM, ogden wrote:
>>> sweller wrote:
>>>> Ace wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A cup of liquid is completely useless, a ridiculous measuring
>>>>> system that makes US recipes quite hard to follow, especially
>>>>> when it's used for dry ingredients,
>>>>
>>>> This.
>>>
>>> It still amazes me, when I see this discussed on places like
>>> Reddit, when yanks defend the use of cups in recipes on the basis
>>> that "not everyone has scales". As if it's still 1850 and a set of
>>> scales is still a big bulky metal thing with separate weights, and
>>> not a little electronic slab costing about a fiver.
>>
>> After 26 years of living in this house, I still don't own any kitchen
>> scales. Never needed them. I have a set of balancing scales (of
>> justice) in the basement that I got for dealing drugs, but they've
>> been gathering dust for eons.
>
> Yes, I suppose a cup would be quite a generous measure for recreational
> softdrugs.
>
Oh no. This is an antique set I got in Berlin for measuring hashish. The
weights are all grams.

I can't remember the last time I paid for grass. (Never sold it.)
There's so much around that people just give it away. A grower friend
gave me 5 plants. I traded some of that to a neighbor who gives me cookies.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)