Boots wrote:

> On 28/03/2022 17:00 Ace penned these words:
> > On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 16:42:03 +0800, Boots
> > <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I don't but most people are simple minded. I have the drawings for
> my gaff all >> in metric but the advertisement was all in SQ feet as
> is the local property site >> url:
> https://www.propertyguru.com.my/apartment-for-rent/in-georgetown-pg027
> >> albeit as far as I am aware this is the only imperial hangover,
> the country >> switched to metric in the 70s after the UK.
> >
> > Wierd.
> >
> > I didn't realise you were in Georgetown - is the Hong Kong bar still
> > going strong? They used to take pictures of visitors and keep them
> > under the bar. I was there in 1976 and 1983, would love to go back
> > and dig out the old pictures.
> >
> No idea. All the booze only bars have been closed as far as I am
> aware since beginning of 2020 blamed on the plague, albeit if they
> sell grub they're most likely open. I was really was not a user of
> the bars big time before hand, I'll buy a bottle of beer with a meal
> in a kopitiam. Google suggests the Hong Kong bar is still going.

I liked Penang, the food, the relaxed atmosphere, you can get things
done, the British Consulate had an excellent reading room and did I
mention the food?

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AptckoyvaobmkONdMU1eSSsG3nvm5Q?e=ho7P5c

Georgetown 1992

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:09:27 AM UTC-4, Ace wrote:

> I don't know why you think that 150ml is a 'standard' glass. I still
> think of six glasses to the bottle, which gives an exact multiple, but
> it's moot point anyway, cos in practice, at home, who is ever going to
> measure each glass like that?

I still think of six glasses to the bottle, but find that the actualitie is four.

On 4/2/2022 5:40 AM, geoffC wrote:
> wessie wrote:
>
>> "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:t29833$3c2$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> 600ml would be better for say, two couples having a drink?).
>>> I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a mistake
>>> (snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which had to be
>>> corrected in 1964.
>>>
>>
>> I take it you haven't spent much time with UKRM couples?
>>
>> A 3 litre bag in box would be an apéritif and you would need a magnum
>> with each course.
>
> It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after you
> have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle, divide
> evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that appeals?
> Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the standard 15cl is
> near enough perfection for me :-)
>
>
A full glass to me has always meant up to the fattest part of the glass.
I have 3 different types of wine glass. I just measured them, and by
that scale, they all work out to ~175-200cl, which is 4 glasses per
bottle. Fine. At home alone, 2 glasses is an easy dinner ration.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 09:31:53 -0000 (UTC), wessie
<willnotwork@tesco.net> wrote:

>you won't get much if she uses one of those stemless, half litre jobs...

I think the word you are looking for is "tumbler"

--

-Pip

On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:04:16 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
<07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:

>Without a clue this could become quite protracted...

Aha. Protractors & compasses. I suppose clocks and calendars, too.

--

-Pip

On 4/3/2022 12:37 PM, Pipl wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:04:16 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> Without a clue this could become quite protracted...
>
> Aha. Protractors & compasses. I suppose clocks and calendars, too.
>
>
"Commonly found in the home."
Protractors fall in that camp?

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:t2ctvt$f84$1@dont-email.me:

> On 4/3/2022 12:37 PM, Pipl wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 12:04:16 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
>> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Without a clue this could become quite protracted...
>>
>> Aha. Protractors & compasses. I suppose clocks and calendars, too.
>>
>>
> "Commonly found in the home."
> Protractors fall in that camp?
>

many kids will have one with a pencil case or geometry set presented when
they move from infant school to primary school.

Turby wrote:

<SNIP>
>
> I can't remember the last time I paid for grass. (Never sold it.)
> There's so much around that people just give it away. A grower friend
> gave me 5 plants. I traded some of that to a neighbor who gives me
> cookies.

I wonder how an economist would characterise the state of that market?
Sounds like perfect market equilibrium to me.
Bartering is a much under valued form of trade IMO.

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

On 4/3/2022 2:39 PM, geoffC wrote:
> Turby wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
>>
>> I can't remember the last time I paid for grass. (Never sold it.)
>> There's so much around that people just give it away. A grower friend
>> gave me 5 plants. I traded some of that to a neighbor who gives me
>> cookies.
>
> I wonder how an economist would characterise the state of that market?
> Sounds like perfect market equilibrium to me.
> Bartering is a much under valued form of trade IMO.
>
There are actually 3 markets - the legal commercial, illegal commercial,
and the free/barter. I'm lucky in not having to pay. The state has a
high tax rate which encourages the illegal market and puts a lot of
pressure on the legal shops. This is one near me:

https://urbnleaf.com/dispensaries/ca/san-diego/bay-park-pick-up/

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

wessie wrote:

> >
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dartington-Crystal-Stemless-Wine-Glasses/dp/B0
> > 7C839G3X
> >
> > What's the advantage?
> >
>
> just the size - volume of the can plus 13% gives just the right
> amount of space for the expansion of the head frothed up by the
> nitrogen widget.

Sorry, I meant as a wine glass.

> Guinness actually gave away a 500ml glass in the same design as their
> pub pint glasses. It was included in the multipack when the widget
> cans were new. I had a couple but they eventually got lost or broken
> so the 500ml wine glasses serve the same purpose.

I have a couple of these.

--
Simon

"sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in news:javuqnFhf6cU1
@mid.individual.net:

> wessie wrote:
>
>> >
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dartington-Crystal-Stemless-Wine-
Glasses/dp/B0
>> > 7C839G3X
>> >
>> > What's the advantage?
>> >
>>
>> just the size - volume of the can plus 13% gives just the right
>> amount of space for the expansion of the head frothed up by the
>> nitrogen widget.
>
> Sorry, I meant as a wine glass.
>
>

I had them as freebies from Laithwaites so didn't due any pre-purchase
rationalisations :)

Looking at the link above it says:

"The generously sized bowl of these red wine glasses allows you to swirl
and aerate your favourite red wines to release more of those fantastic
aromas and flavours."

They are also a lot more difficult to knock over due to the wide base
and low centre of gravity.

I guess they also have that classic wine glass shae of being tapered at
the top which concentrates the aroma. I believe a large part of our
taste perception is actually olfactory so perhaps there is some actual
science behind that, rather than wine poncery.

The cynic in me is that Laithwaites feel people will fill them with half
a bottle of wine, glug it down quickly and end up opening a second
bottle of wine before the alcohol kicks in.

On 30/03/2022 22:21, Pipl wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:45:15 +0100, sig <sig@sig.com> wrote:
<snip>
> Not strictly limited to metric units though: "The villages were 554400
> feet apart" (10 1/2 miles).
>

One medievalist, obviously deciding to go fully metric, reported that
King Alfred had decreed that nowhere in Wessex should be more than
32.186 kilometres from a burgh. This scholar also noted that Mortimer
Wheeler excavated on a grid system of 1.524 metre squares. It really
wouldn't have hurt to have included the 20 mile and 5 ft figures
respectively.

On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:21:23 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:

>The French have a lot to answer for, house numbers, insisting that the
>Dutch take a surname (which they did reluctantly eg."BornNaked")
<snip>

Really? <googles> Hmm.

I recently read up on Icelandic surnames (after watching a noir series
set in Iceland, and seeing the pattern of names in the credits), and
it found it absolutely fascinating.

Full details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name but
basically, Icelanders don't have surnames. Their 'second name' is
deriver from their father's first name. If we used this system, then
instead of being named Neal Champion after my dad Tony Champion, I'd
have been called Neal Tonysson. If I had a sister (let's call her
Rachel), she'd have been Rachel Tonysdottir.

I love this, because it throws all the cultural assumptions about
naming up in the air. For example, formally, you don't refer to an
Icelander by their surname, because they don't have one. As the wiki
article says, even the prime minister (currently Katrín Jakobsdóttir)
would be referred to as just "Katrin", or perhaps "Katrín
Jakobsdóttir" in full.
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 10:15:23 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
<benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:09:27 AM UTC-4, Ace wrote:
>
>> I don't know why you think that 150ml is a 'standard' glass. I still
>> think of six glasses to the bottle, which gives an exact multiple, but
>> it's moot point anyway, cos in practice, at home, who is ever going to
>> measure each glass like that?

>I still think of six glasses to the bottle, but find that the actualitie is four.

That's small 125ml glasses

4 x 175ml is much more sympa

Although I sometimes find 3 x 250ml glasses happens too
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:22:12 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:57:26 +0100, Sqirrel99
><secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>sweller wrote:
>>> I can do it in both systems 5'9" and 175cm and 12st 3lb 77.5 kg -
>>> however I can't do my waist size or inside leg in cm (34" and 29")
>>> without doing a conversion.
>>
>>A fellow orangutan -
>>Short legs, long body (and long arms too in my case).
>>Makes buying one-piece leathers a right pain.

>"...And this is Bob, who designs our range of one-piece oversuits..."

<applause>

And here it is, in the Shobba archive I maintain [1]
http://champ.org.uk/images/Shobba/Bob%20designs%20our%20range%20of%20one%20piece%20oversuits.jpg

[1] by which I mean, scanned years ago and stuck on some web space
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:21:23 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>>The French have a lot to answer for, house numbers, insisting that the
>>Dutch take a surname (which they did reluctantly eg."BornNaked")
> <snip>
>
> Really? <googles> Hmm.
>
> I recently read up on Icelandic surnames (after watching a noir series
> set in Iceland, and seeing the pattern of names in the credits), and
> it found it absolutely fascinating.

I'm Mark Donaldsson, and my wife is Peggy Haraldsdottir. We have an
Icelandic friend (a KLR owner) named Gudjon Gudjonsson. I met him
on reddit, offered to lend him my KLR special tools for doing the
'doohickey' and then the pandemic intervened, so I've not got them
back yet. But they're the perfect excuse to visit...

I'm also fascinated by all things Icelandic, and if I win the lotto,
I'm buying a property there for sure.

One of the surprising things about Icelandic society is how many
people know each other, including celebs. For example, I told
Gudjon about being interested in Kristjan Kristjansson (AKA K.K.,
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1944894/) after seeing him in the Netflix
series "Sense8". Turns out Gudjon knew K.K. him from teaching him
in a marine survival course for boat owners (GG is a fireman/rescue
diver) and got in touch with K.K. to ask him to meet my wife and I at
a small concert in Thorlakshofn in October 2018. We had a great time
visiting with K.K. during a break, comparing our various motorcycle
ride experiences.

GG also is personally acquainted with a prominent Icelandic actor,
who you have no doubt seen, as he's in nearly every Icelandic series
and a few feature films (drunk helicopter pilot in "Walter Mitty"),
Ólafur Darri Ólafsson (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0959963/). Not
to be missed in "Trapped". Also check out "Fortitude" which had
quite a few scenes filmed in eastern Iceland around Reydarfjordur,
which prompted a visit by us. Proprietress of the hotel we stayed in
told us about Dennis Quaid singing and playing guitar in the bar next
door during filming of the 2nd season. Highly recommend both seasons.

I'll never get tired of visiting Iceland. Some of our best trips
have been in late fall/winter when there's not so many of the summer
tourists. I joke about it, but it's generally true, that in the winter
it's almost always warmer in Iceland than it is in Minnesota.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On 04/04/2022 16:49, Champ wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Apr 2022 10:15:23 -0700 (PDT), Ben Blaney
> <benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 9:09:27 AM UTC-4, Ace wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know why you think that 150ml is a 'standard' glass. I still
>>> think of six glasses to the bottle, which gives an exact multiple, but
>>> it's moot point anyway, cos in practice, at home, who is ever going to
>>> measure each glass like that?
>
>> I still think of six glasses to the bottle, but find that the actualitie is four.
>
> That's small 125ml glasses
>
> 4 x 175ml is much more sympa
>
> Although I sometimes find 3 x 250ml glasses happens too

There was defo an effort to get people to move to 250ml glasses of wine
at the turn of the century.

Lots of offers of "buy 2 glasses, get the whole bottle" type offers.

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 04/04/2022 16:47, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:21:23 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>
>> The French have a lot to answer for, house numbers, insisting that the
>> Dutch take a surname (which they did reluctantly eg."BornNaked")
> <snip>
>
> Really? <googles> Hmm.
>
> I recently read up on Icelandic surnames (after watching a noir series
> set in Iceland, and seeing the pattern of names in the credits), and
> it found it absolutely fascinating.

Did you not get curious when Mastermind 1st started, with Magnus Magnusson?

I remember wondering what his son would be called :-)
(I was about 10 a the time)

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 14:32:00 +0100, sig <sig@sig.com> wrote:

>On 30/03/2022 22:21, Pipl wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 19:45:15 +0100, sig <sig@sig.com> wrote:
><snip>
>> Not strictly limited to metric units though: "The villages were 554400
>> feet apart" (10 1/2 miles).
>>
>
>One medievalist, obviously deciding to go fully metric, reported that
>King Alfred had decreed that nowhere in Wessex should be more than
>32.186 kilometres from a burgh. This scholar also noted that Mortimer
>Wheeler excavated on a grid system of 1.524 metre squares. It really
>wouldn't have hurt to have included the 20 mile and 5 ft figures
>respectively.

Yes, that is daft. I'd have put miles/feet first and a conversion in
brackets afterwards.

--

-Pip

Champ wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:21:23 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>
> > The French have a lot to answer for, house numbers, insisting that
> > the Dutch take a surname (which they did reluctantly
> > eg."BornNaked")
> <snip>
>
> Really? <googles> Hmm.

So I've been told but a little research reveals it to be probably a
(well entrenched) myth. The surname 'Naaktgeboren' existed before
Napoleon's changes and probably is a variation on the German
'Nachgeboren' which used to be given to children whose father had died
before they were born.(posthumous).

>
> I recently read up on Icelandic surnames (after watching a noir series
> set in Iceland, and seeing the pattern of names in the credits), and
> it found it absolutely fascinating.
>
> Full details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name but
> basically, Icelanders don't have surnames. Their 'second name' is
> deriver from their father's first name. If we used this system, then
> instead of being named Neal Champion after my dad Tony Champion, I'd
> have been called Neal Tonysson. If I had a sister (let's call her
> Rachel), she'd have been Rachel Tonysdottir.
>
> I love this, because it throws all the cultural assumptions about
> naming up in the air. For example, formally, you don't refer to an
> Icelander by their surname, because they don't have one. As the wiki
> article says, even the prime minister (currently Katrín Jakobsdóttir)
> would be referred to as just "Katrin", or perhaps "Katrín
> Jakobsdóttir" in full.

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650

On 02/04/2022 13:40, geoffC wrote:
> wessie wrote:
>
>> "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:t29833$3c2$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>
>>> 600ml would be better for say, two couples having a drink?).
>>> I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a mistake
>>> (snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which had to be
>>> corrected in 1964.
>>>
>>
>> I take it you haven't spent much time with UKRM couples?
>>
>> A 3 litre bag in box would be an apéritif and you would need a magnum
>> with each course.
>
> It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after you
> have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle, divide
> evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that appeals?
> Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the standard 15cl is
> near enough perfection for me :-)

You have wine left after filling two glasses twice? Are you on some sort
of temperance drive?

On 04/04/2022 16:47, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 10:21:23 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:
>
>
>> The French have a lot to answer for, house numbers, insisting that the
>> Dutch take a surname (which they did reluctantly eg."BornNaked")
> <snip>
>
> Really? <googles> Hmm.
>
> I recently read up on Icelandic surnames (after watching a noir series
> set in Iceland, and seeing the pattern of names in the credits), and
> it found it absolutely fascinating.
>
> Full details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name but
> basically, Icelanders don't have surnames. Their 'second name' is
> deriver from their father's first name. If we used this system, then
> instead of being named Neal Champion after my dad Tony Champion, I'd
> have been called Neal Tonysson. If I had a sister (let's call her
> Rachel), she'd have been Rachel Tonysdottir.

Russians (if we're allowed to mention them at the moment) do something
similar with middle names AIUI.

On 02/04/2022 13:17, Pipl wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2022 01:44:57 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 01/04/2022 22:32, Bruce Horrocks wrote:
>>> On 01/04/2022 08:04, Pip Luscher wrote:
>>>> ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>   > how many inches in a yard?I have no idea, but I have a
>>>>   reasonable idea how big each unit is, and I'd be picking an
>>>>   appropriate unit for the measurement.
>>>>
>>>> [Possibly bad form to reply twice to a post]
>>>>
>>>> Come to think of it, even the Metric world has units of
>>>>   convenience: we commonly measure energy in KWh, usually when
>>>>   supplied  electrically. EV battery charge is not measured in SI
>>>>   joules. Scientifically, nuclear reaction energies are measured in
>>>>   eV not joules, and stellar distances use all sorts of units. Hum.
>>>>   Still, for engineering and formal measures, feet, inches and
>>>>   pounds can fuck right off.
>>>
>>>
>>> Trivia quiz time: name a measuring device commonly found in the home
>>> that is only ever marked in non-metric units?
>>
>> Measuring spoons? Multimeter?
>
> No to either - my measuring spoons have ml markings and I've never
> heard of an Imperial multimeter. What units would you use?

Bruce said non-metric. Volts and amps aren't metric, they're SI.

On 02/04/2022 13:29, Ace wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Apr 2022 22:32:57 +0100, Bruce Horrocks
> <07.013@scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
>> Trivia quiz time: name a measuring device commonly found in the home
>> that is only ever marked in non-metric units?
>
> Gas meter? Or Electric, for that matter.

Gas meters went over to cubic metres a couple of decades ago.

Mike Fleming wrote:

> On 02/04/2022 13:40, geoffC wrote:
> > wessie wrote:
> >
> >>"geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote in news:t29833$3c2$1@dont-email.me:
> > >
> > >
> > > > 600ml would be better for say, two couples having a drink?).
> > > > I was amused to read that Napoleon's boffins actually made a
> > > > mistake (snigger) when calculating the size of a liter which
> > > > had to be corrected in 1964.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I take it you haven't spent much time with UKRM couples?
> > >
> > > A 3 litre bag in box would be an apéritif and you would need a
> > > magnum with each course.
> >
> > It's not so much the absolute quantities as the bit left over after
> > you have poured 4 glasses from a standard bottle. Open a bottle,
> > divide evenly over 4 glasses and repeat. Maybe it's the rhythm that
> > appeals? Use bigger glasses I hear you say, well, I think the
> > standard 15cl is near enough perfection for me :-)
>
> You have wine left after filling two glasses twice? Are you on some
> sort of temperance drive?

No, I just carry it over to the next bottle.

--
Geoff
Honda NTV650