In article <3fb77499-4807-4af0-90f7-9a2487ebb0dfn@googlegroups.com>, "alanfe...@gmail.com" <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> writes:
>On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 5:05:45 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajh=C3=B8j wrote:
>> On 12/28/2021 4:38 PM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:=20
>> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 3:41:41 PM UTC-5, Phillip Helbig (undr=
>ess to reply) wrote:=20
>> >> In article <j2tqdp...@mid.individual.net>, Roy Omond <r...@omond.net>=
>=20
>> >> writes:=20
>> >>=20
>> >>> On 26/12/2021 18:36, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>>> ... 20 F is 68 C. 30 F is 86. Then just add or subtract 18 per 10 fo=
>r=20
>> >>> anything else. Good enough.=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>> See, you even got that wrong: "20 F is 68 C. 30 F is 86."=20
>> >>=20
>> >> Correct is "20 C is 68 F. 30 C is 86 F".=20
>> >=20
>> > Yes. Sometimes a get dyslexic, and the hour was late.=20
>> >=20
>> >> Maybe easier to add or=20
>> >> subtract 9 for 5. For me, a difference of 5 C is easily noticeable.=20
>> >>=20
>> >> At that temperature is C the same as F? -40.=20
>> >=20
>> > -40 deg. F is the same as -40 kelvin. (or kelvins? I still don't have t=
>hat straight.)
>> -40 F is the same as -40 C=20
>>=20
>> If you get to -40 K then the nobel price in physics should be sure!=20
>>=20
>> :-)=20
>>=20
>> Arne
>
>Did I say kelvins? . . . . Yep. I goofed again.=20

Kelvins come from the planet Kelva in the Andromeda Galaxy in Star Trek --
Memeory Alpha.

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On Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 4:53:09 PM UTC-5, VAXman- wrote:
[...]
> >
> >Did I say kelvins? . . . . Yep. I goofed again.=20
>
> Kelvins come from the planet Kelva in the Andromeda Galaxy in Star Trek --
> Memeory Alpha.
>
> --
> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
>
> I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

That was a great episode, no? What was it called? "By Any Other Name". One of the better episodes.

On 12/19/2021 12:29 AM, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just curious what city it's in and who pays the bills. The login screen used to ask for donations, but it presently doesn't. Perhaps VSI is footing the bill?

Well, we've covered a lot of ground since this questions was asked.
If there was this much traffic on EISNER, and it was related to DEC
Computing, I know I'd have a happy New Year....

--
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Control-G Consultants
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On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> To points.
>
> What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
>

Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?

Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(

Simon.

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Den 2021-12-31 kl. 11:43, skrev Simon Clubley:
> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>> To points.
>>
>> What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
>>
>
> Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
>
> Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(
>
> Simon.
>

I didn't even noticed that comment from Alan. But OTOH, what
do you expect when someone has painted him self into a corner
and has run of of arguments.

But, time to replace my cheap Logitec kayboard, where some keys
are starting to not work properly, with another cheap Logotec
keybord... :-)

Finaly, I have noticed since I found c.o.v. a long time ago, that
many posters think that US = the world, and that all readers are native
English speakers and that when you have someting to sell, you should
expect that it is from the US. Some posters are simply very US centric.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces@rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Jan-Erik
>Söderholm via Info-vax
>Sent: December-31-21 7:17 AM
>To: info-vax@rbnsn.com
>Cc: Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com>
>Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?
>
>Den 2021-12-31 kl. 11:43, skrev Simon Clubley:
>> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm
>wrote:
>>>> To points.
>>>
>>> What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
>>>
>>
>> Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
>>
>> Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>
>I didn't even noticed that comment from Alan. But OTOH, what do you expect
>when someone has painted him self into a corner and has run of of
>arguments.
>
>But, time to replace my cheap Logitec kayboard, where some keys are starting
>to not work properly, with another cheap Logotec keybord... :-)
>
>Finaly, I have noticed since I found c.o.v. a long time ago, that many posters
>think that US = the world, and that all readers are native English speakers and
>that when you have someting to sell, you should expect that it is from the US.
>Some posters are simply very US centric.
>

We here in Canada agree .. Having stated this, we have a solution.

Simply make the US Canada's 11th province.

We have already started this by allowing our highly addictive Tim Horton's coffee to be franchised in the US.

Once the majority is hooked, we can threaten to cut-off their coffee supply.

Only thing we are still not sure about, is how to tell those in Texas, that they need to learn French and give up their guns.

😊

Happy New Year!

Regards,

Kerry Main
Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com

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alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>My God, are you a computer? I was bragging about the US having gone to the moon and all you Fahrenheit-bashers not. Do I need to spell everything out in complete detail, leaving no stone unturned. Or are you just being a troll?

Two problems here.

1. Many of the Farenheit-bashers are Americans. I certainly am; as an American
I think we have had real economic losses as a result of sticking with the
old system as it makes it much harder to sell American products abroad.

2. It was a bunch of Germans who took Americans to the moon, if you recall.
Admittedly it was Americans who had the foresight to get them out of there.
I'll say also that I worked with a couple of the Operation Paperclip guys
and they said moving to American units was painful for them (horsepower
being the absolute worst).
--scott
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On 12/31/21 8:52 AM, kemain.nospam@gmail.com wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces@rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Jan-Erik
>> Söderholm via Info-vax
>> Sent: December-31-21 7:17 AM
>> To: info-vax@rbnsn.com
>> Cc: Jan-Erik Söderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?
>>
>> Den 2021-12-31 kl. 11:43, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm
>> wrote:
>>>>> To points.
>>>>
>>>> What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
>>>
>>> Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>>
>> I didn't even noticed that comment from Alan. But OTOH, what do you expect
>> when someone has painted him self into a corner and has run of of
>> arguments.
>>
>> But, time to replace my cheap Logitec kayboard, where some keys are starting
>> to not work properly, with another cheap Logotec keybord... :-)
>>
>> Finaly, I have noticed since I found c.o.v. a long time ago, that many posters
>> think that US = the world, and that all readers are native English speakers and
>> that when you have someting to sell, you should expect that it is from the US.
>> Some posters are simply very US centric.
>>
>
> We here in Canada agree .. Having stated this, we have a solution.
>
> Simply make the US Canada's 11th province.

If Canada is so much better why do all the snow-birds spend half
the year living in the US mooching off of the US taxpayers? Even
during the lockdown/closed-border they found a way to spend winter
here. During the height of the lockdown there were frequently more
Quebec license plates than US on I81 and I84.

>
> We have already started this by allowing our highly addictive Tim Horton's coffee to be franchised in the US.
>
> Once the majority is hooked, we can threaten to cut-off their coffee supply.

Having spent a lot of time in Kingston, ON where the Tim Horton's is
right on the Wolfe Island Ferry dock I can assure you it is no Krispy
Kreme. It's not even a Dunkin' Donuts.

>
> Only thing we are still not sure about, is how to tell those in Texas, that they need to learn French and give up their guns.

They haven't started learning Spanish yet no matter how hard Biden
tries to force it. They'll never learn French. Not even to visit
New Orleans.

>
> 😊
>
> Happy New Year!

Happy New Year Kerry.

bill

In article <j38o8jFr2d1U1@mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
<bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:

> If Canada is so much better why do all the snow-birds spend half
> the year living in the US mooching off of the US taxpayers?

How do they mooch? Even if they take advantage of infrastructure and so
on financed by U.S. taxpayers, surely the spend more money while in the
States than they "use".

On 12/31/21 12:30 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <j38o8jFr2d1U1@mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
> <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> If Canada is so much better why do all the snow-birds spend half
>> the year living in the US mooching off of the US taxpayers?
>
> How do they mooch? Even if they take advantage of infrastructure and so
> on financed by U.S. taxpayers, surely the spend more money while in the
> States than they "use".
>

They use resources that are paid for with tax money. They do not
pay taxes. If I change states I have (depending on the state) 30
to 60 days to register my car in the new state in order for the
states to get the road taxes. They live here for six months and
never register their cars or pay road use taxes. And, it would
not surprise me to find out that when they return to Canada the
first thing they do is file for all their sales tax back.

And, as I said, even when we were being told the border was closed
the snow-birds seemed to have no problem coming across as evidenced
by the number of cars with Canadian license plates on on the highways
around where I live. A major snow-bird path.

bill

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 6:17:24 AM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2021-12-31 kl. 11:43, skrev Simon Clubley:
> > On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> >>> To points.
> >>
> >> What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
> >>
> >
> > Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
> >
> > Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(
> >
> > Simon.
> >
> I didn't even noticed that comment from Alan. But OTOH, what
> do you expect when someone has painted him self into a corner
> and has run of of arguments.
>
> But, time to replace my cheap Logitec kayboard, where some keys
> are starting to not work properly, with another cheap Logotec
> keybord... :-)
>
> Finaly, I have noticed since I found c.o.v. a long time ago, that
> many posters think that US = the world, and that all readers are native
> English speakers and that when you have someting to sell, you should
> expect that it is from the US. Some posters are simply very US centric.

Ah, I see. When Europeans bash the US for using Fahrenheit, that's okay. When I respond with how a country who uses F can still do great things, I get piled on and then there are the nitpickers. Oh, but when I do some nitpicking, it's a problem.

I made some errors. So what? I am being responsive. You are being, uh, Ow my tongue!

And now I get accused of running out of arguments. Really? What arguments are those?

If you're going to nitpick me, I'm going to nitpick back. If I mixed things up with all the crossfire and the messy >'s, sorry.

I'm going to chalk this up to, "Nobody kicks a dead dog." (~_^)

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 9:34:28 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >My God, are you a computer? I was bragging about the US having gone to the moon and all you Fahrenheit-bashers not. Do I need to spell everything out in complete detail, leaving no stone unturned. Or are you just being a troll?
> Two problems here.
>
> 1. Many of the Farenheit-bashers are Americans. I certainly am; as an American
> I think we have had real economic losses as a result of sticking with the
> old system as it makes it much harder to sell American products abroad.

I was talking about Fahrenheit, not the general system of Imperial/English/US Customary units. Let's get that straight, okay? I'll repeat it. I WAS TALKING ABOUT FAHRENHEIT, NOT THE GENERAL SYSTEM OF UNITS USED IN THE US. BTW, the US uses metric units for lots of things.

If there are Americans who bash Fahrenheit, so what? I was responding to America-bashers. Let's get that straight.

>
> 2. It was a bunch of Germans who took Americans to the moon, if you recall.
> Admittedly it was Americans who had the foresight to get them out of there.
> I'll say also that I worked with a couple of the Operation Paperclip guys
> and they said moving to American units was painful for them (horsepower
> being the absolute worst).

And it was the Germans who committed the Holocaust and took the world to war, killing many, many millions of innocent people.

Germans fired v2 rockets at civilian populations. The US went to the moon. Yes, there's the rest of history. So what?
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Alan

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:43:52 AM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> >> To points.
> >
> > What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
> >
> Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
>
> Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(

Let's see what Jan-Erik wrote:

" Jan-Erik Söderholm's profile photo
Jan-Erik Söderholm
Dec 27, 2021, 10:52:15 AM (4 days ago)
to
How many did you list, 5 if I'm right? And that is for the whole of the US?
One single mine in Sweden (Ytterby) has 4 elements dicovered and named
after it, and 4 more discovered at the same place but named after
other Swedish locations or persons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ytterby

I clarified my mistake. Everyone decided to continue to gleefully pounce on me after I corrected my mistake. This is worse than nitpicking

"Anyway... Can you, without looking it up, describe the original definition
of the Fahrenheit scale? I think that the definition for 0 and 100 deg C
is well known to anyone, and very simple to reproduce and test. And both
points can be easilly refered to in everyday life.

"So what did 0 deg F and 100 deg F refered to when that scale was made up?
Without looking it up..."

Here he's either mixing up part of my two statements (I said F was useful. About manufactured elements I only said US is the leader), or, more likely, deliberately being dishonest. Talk about running out of arguments!!! As I said before, you don't need to know 32 and 212 and 0 and 100 to use F and C.. Does Jan know offhand the origin of all the other SI and metric units? I doubt it.

My God. All I said is that F is useful for normal ordinary everyday use by laypeople. And then I get pounded on with endless irrelevant nonsense.

So when _I_ point out nitpicking and running out of arguments, suddenly there's a problem.

> Simon.
>
> --
> Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

Alan

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces@rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Bill
>Gunshannon via Info-vax
>Sent: December-31-21 2:50 PM
>To: info-vax@rbnsn.com
>Cc: Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?
>
>On 12/31/21 12:30 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>> In article <j38o8jFr2d1U1@mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
>> <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> If Canada is so much better why do all the snow-birds spend half the
>>> year living in the US mooching off of the US taxpayers?
>>
>> How do they mooch? Even if they take advantage of infrastructure and
>> so on financed by U.S. taxpayers, surely the spend more money while in
>> the States than they "use".
>>
>
>They use resources that are paid for with tax money. They do not pay
taxes.
>If I change states I have (depending on the state) 30 to 60 days to
register my
>car in the new state in order for the states to get the road taxes. They
live
>here for six months and never register their cars or pay road use taxes.
And, it
>would not surprise me to find out that when they return to Canada the first
>thing they do is file for all their sales tax back.
>
>And, as I said, even when we were being told the border was closed the
>snow-birds seemed to have no problem coming across as evidenced by the
>number of cars with Canadian license plates on on the highways around
>where I live. A major snow-bird path.
>
>bill
>

Not that I would ever choose the lifestyle i.e. spend 1 day less than 6
months (183 days), in the US every year, but snowbirds are classified as
tourists.

Do tourists in any US state pay road use taxes?

However, like other tourists, snowbirds do pay hotel/condo rental, grocery,
gas, entertainment, restaurant expenses. Most tourist businesses in the US
love the snowbirds.

Are you saying the US (and specifically, Florida) do not want tourist $'s?

Btw, just to clarify - Canada closed the border for ALL US land/ferry
traffic (no exceptions) during this past year's peak covid period (March -
July?). In addition, the US extended its land border closure to Canada until
the end of Sept/21.

Regards,

Kerry Main
Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com

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On 12/31/21 4:13 PM, kemain.nospam@gmail.com wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces@rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Bill
>> Gunshannon via Info-vax
>> Sent: December-31-21 2:50 PM
>> To: info-vax@rbnsn.com
>> Cc: Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?
>>
>> On 12/31/21 12:30 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>> In article <j38o8jFr2d1U1@mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
>>> <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> If Canada is so much better why do all the snow-birds spend half the
>>>> year living in the US mooching off of the US taxpayers?
>>>
>>> How do they mooch? Even if they take advantage of infrastructure and
>>> so on financed by U.S. taxpayers, surely the spend more money while in
>>> the States than they "use".
>>>
>>
>> They use resources that are paid for with tax money. They do not pay
> taxes.
>> If I change states I have (depending on the state) 30 to 60 days to
> register my
>> car in the new state in order for the states to get the road taxes. They
> live
>> here for six months and never register their cars or pay road use taxes.
> And, it
>> would not surprise me to find out that when they return to Canada the first
>> thing they do is file for all their sales tax back.
>>
>> And, as I said, even when we were being told the border was closed the
>> snow-birds seemed to have no problem coming across as evidenced by the
>> number of cars with Canadian license plates on on the highways around
>> where I live. A major snow-bird path.
>>
>> bill
>>
>
> Not that I would ever choose the lifestyle i.e. spend 1 day less than 6
> months (183 days), in the US every year, but snowbirds are classified as
> tourists.
>
> Do tourists in any US state pay road use taxes?

My point exactly. I think we need to go back to visas and they
should be for no more than 21 days. And they can only be renewed
when the holder is in their home country.

>
> However, like other tourists, snowbirds do pay hotel/condo rental,

Many of them do not. They live in RV's. And a number of them actually
own property here but never claim residency so they don't have to pay
things like income taxes. And, as I already stated, they don't register
their cars here so they pay no road taxes.

grocery,
> gas, entertainment, restaurant expenses.

Those may help a couple of people out, but it doesn't cover the expenses
the rest of us have to pay for.

> Most tourist businesses in the US
> love the snowbirds.

Tourist businesses, maybe. But not the majority.

>
> Are you saying the US (and specifically, Florida) do not want tourist $'s?

I don;t mind a tourist. A tourist comes down for a week or two and then
goes home. Snow birds live half their life down here. Not a tourist.
I used to belong to a British Car Club in Ontario. I used to spend two
or sometime three weekends a year there. That's a tourist.

>
> Btw, just to clarify - Canada closed the border for ALL US land/ferry
> traffic (no exceptions) during this past year's peak covid period (March -
> July?). In addition, the US extended its land border closure to Canada until
> the end of Sept/21.

Yeah, I keep hearing that. And yet the highways here were loaded
with the same Quebec and Ontario (and the periodic PEI) cars we
saw before the pandemic. And, just to throw another sabot in the
works. My daughter's ex-husband had a girlfriend from Canada.
Even before they married she didn't seem to have any problems
coming down here to visit him. That closed border was awfully
porous. And we won't even get into the Canadian truck drivers
who travel the Interstates here in the Northeast Corridor. There
was never a break in the flow of them.

bill

On 12/31/2021 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> They haven't started learning Spanish yet no matter how hard Biden
> tries to force it.  They'll never learn French.  Not even to visit
> New Orleans.

Oh, we know some Spanish. Enough to order at the family run restaurants
and taco trucks.

alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 6:17:24 AM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2021-12-31 kl. 11:43, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>>>> To points.
>>>>
>>>> What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
>>>
>>> Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>> I didn't even noticed that comment from Alan. But OTOH, what
>> do you expect when someone has painted him self into a corner
>> and has run of of arguments.
>>
>> But, time to replace my cheap Logitec kayboard, where some keys
>> are starting to not work properly, with another cheap Logotec
>> keybord... :-)
>>
>> Finaly, I have noticed since I found c.o.v. a long time ago, that
>> many posters think that US = the world, and that all readers are native
>> English speakers and that when you have someting to sell, you should
>> expect that it is from the US. Some posters are simply very US centric.
>
> Ah, I see. When Europeans bash the US for using Fahrenheit, that's okay.
> When I respond with how a country who uses F can still do great things, I
> get piled on and then there are the nitpickers. Oh, but when I do some
> nitpicking, it's a problem.
>
> I made some errors. So what? I am being responsive. You are being, uh, Ow my tongue!
>
> And now I get accused of running out of arguments. Really? What arguments are those?
>
> If you're going to nitpick me, I'm going to nitpick back. If I mixed
> things up with all the crossfire and the messy >'s, sorry.
>
> I'm going to chalk this up to, "Nobody kicks a dead dog." (~_^)
>

The trend on c.o.v. these days seems to be toward hypercriticality no
matter what the specific subject. And topic drift is endemic. Far too many
veer off into politics. Egos are constantly on display as well.

Get over yourselves, folks. I won’t name anyone. You ought to know who you
are. The rest of us do.

In article <j39i7sF1cjhU1@mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
<bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> writes:

> > Do tourists in any US state pay road use taxes?
>
> My point exactly. I think we need to go back to visas and they
> should be for no more than 21 days. And they can only be renewed
> when the holder is in their home country.

What about tourists from one state to another? They don't. Does it
cancel out? Probably not.

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:14:40 AM UTC-5, Galen wrote:
> alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 6:17:24 AM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> >> Den 2021-12-31 kl. 11:43, skrev Simon Clubley:
> >>> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
[...]
> The trend on c.o.v. these days seems to be toward hypercriticality no
> matter what the specific subject.

Yep. Probably in part because no one wants to be shown to be wrong and be greatly embarrassed and humiliated in public. There is then the inevitable consequence of wanting to save face. Hence the "hypercritically."

Not convinced it's a recent trend. Seems like the same old cov, more or less, that it was back when I was a more active participant -- before my long hiatus from it. In fact, maybe it was even worse then!!! Many here will remember a couple of extra nasty people from back then! One of them frequently called people "shit for brains." That's an exact quote. I am not making this up.

[Actually there is an exception to that. I recall getting it wrong on the Monty Hall Puzzler. So I made some little props for the car and such or somehow did the thing "experimentally" on paper. I quickly came to the conclusion that it actually _is_ better on average to switch to the other door. I was actually excited and happy about that! It was such a fascinating finding! I even ran up to my advisor's office to explain it to him. He had also gotten it wrong! Of course no one attacked me over it. But I haven't seen much if any of that here. And Richard Dawkins gives an example where some biologist spent half of his life studying some aspect of life that he thought did or didn't exist (sorry, I can't recall which or even what). Then some young biologist came on the scene and showed how totally wrong the old guy was. The old guy took it quite well. Wasn't upset at all, and congratulated the young guy. The audience broke out in applause, and tears were shed. But I know a story first-hand where some poor unfortunate presenter showed a really awful PID plot, and secretly all the physicists in the room were mocking the presenters. "What a bunch of garbage!" I heard later. At least they didn't yell out nasties at the talk. I think that does happen at times though. Anyway . . . ]

> And topic drift is endemic.

Yep. I asked where EISNER:: was and who pays for it. It took like a dozen posts about it being at a co-location and a discussion about co-locations before I got an actual answer to "where?", and probably several dozen more before I got the answer to "who?" Simple questions. And KUDOS!!! to VSI for funding it! I am grateful.

Somehow we got into the pros and cons of having a company host your stuff. Someone made a simple observation (I think it was in two separate posts) that Google and some other hosting companies run their data centers at 80 deg.. Someone said they suddenly realized it was 80 deg. _Fahrenheit_ (what a surprise!) and made a snide remark about the Fahrenheit scale, and it quickly decayed from there.

Yes, maybe I should have stayed silent. But I've been in discussions about units before and just wanted to strai... -- uh -- clarify things. Sorry. Maybe I should have let it pass. I didn't think it would get this out of hand.. I've done this before in other forums without any nasty responses. In fact, maybe no responses at all in most cases. But not here! (Maybe a nasty response in Quora.com. I don't recall for sure. But nothing like the piling on I got here.)

Yes, there will be topic drift.

> Far too many
> veer off into politics. Egos are constantly on display as well.

Well, I stayed out of that one until I was directly hit by it.
> Get over yourselves, folks. I won’t name anyone. You ought to know who you
> are. The rest of us do.

People want to save face. I suppose maybe it's better to pretend you're a celebrity and just ignore the hate mail, hateful tweets, unfair attacks and criticisms and the like. But this is face-to-face in-your-face out-in-public nastiness.

Wow, some welcome I get after returning from a long hiatus. So be it. Actually I opened with another question and it went much better than this one did. OK.

Alan

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 5:06:19 AM UTC-5, alanfe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 12:14:40 AM UTC-5, Galen wrote:
> > alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 6:17:24 AM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> > >> Den 2021-12-31 kl. 11:43, skrev Simon Clubley:
> > >>> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> [...]
> > The trend on c.o.v. these days seems to be toward hypercriticality no
> > matter what the specific subject.
> Yep. Probably in part because no one wants to be shown to be wrong and be greatly embarrassed and humiliated in public. There is then the inevitable consequence of wanting to save face. Hence the "hypercritically."

Uh, make that, "hypercriticality." Sorry.
>
[...]
> And Richard Dawkins gives an example where some biologist spent half of his life studying some aspect of life that he thought did or didn't exist (sorry, I can't recall which or even what). Then some young biologist came on the scene and showed how totally wrong the old guy
was.

That should be "and showed _conclusively_ how totally wrong the old guy was.."

> But I know a story first-hand where some poor unfortunate presenter showed a really awful PID plot, and secretly all the physicists in the room were mocking the presenters.

Yes, somehow it was a duo giving the talk. Both were standing up at the front. I think. We're talking 1980s here!

[...]
>
> Alan

On 2021-12-31, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:43:52 AM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> >> To points.
>> >
>> > What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
>> >
>> Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
>>
>> Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(
>
> Let's see what Jan-Erik wrote:
>

It's nothing to do with the temperature discussions but with your
crass comment above.

A number of the posters around here are not native English speakers
but still speak excellent English, Jan-Erik included.

Do you speak their native languages as well as they speak yours ?

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On 2022-01-01, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> People want to save face. I suppose maybe it's better to pretend you're a celebrity and just ignore the hate mail, hateful tweets, unfair attacks and criticisms and the like. But this is face-to-face in-your-face out-in-public nastiness.
>
> Wow, some welcome I get after returning from a long hiatus. So be it. Actually I opened with another question and it went much better than this one did. OK.
>

Seriously Alan ?

You want to pretend to be the good guy after the comments you have made
about the US and the rest of the world ?

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
>
>A number of the posters around here are not native English speakers
>but still speak excellent English, Jan-Erik included.
>
>Do you speak their native languages as well as they speak yours ?

All svenska jag kan har jag ldrt mig fren porr.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On 1/2/22 3:25 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-12-31, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfeldman48@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:43:52 AM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>>>> To points.
>>>>
>>>> What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
>>>>
>>> Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
>>>
>>> Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(
>>
>> Let's see what Jan-Erik wrote:
>>
>
> It's nothing to do with the temperature discussions but with your
> crass comment above.
>
> A number of the posters around here are not native English speakers
> but still speak excellent English, Jan-Erik included.
>
> Do you speak their native languages as well as they speak yours ?
>

Speaks three languages : multilingual
Speaks two languages : bilingual
Speaks one language : American

bill

On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 3:25:34 AM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2021-12-31, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 5:43:52 AM UTC-5, Simon Clubley wrote:
> >> On 2021-12-28, alanfe...@gmail.com <alanfe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 at 7:21:29 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> >> >> To points.
> >> >
> >> > What was that? "To" points? It's two, not to. Hah!
> >> >
> >> Can you speak Swedish as well as Jan-Erik can speak English ?
> >>
> >> Are all US citizens as bad as you ? :-(
> >
> > Let's see what Jan-Erik wrote:
> >
> It's nothing to do with the temperature discussions but with your
> crass comment above.
>
> A number of the posters around here are not native English speakers
> but still speak excellent English, Jan-Erik included.
>
> Do you speak their native languages as well as they speak yours ?
> Simon.
>
> --
> Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
> Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

You obviously missed my point: He or she who nitpicks me will in turn get nitpicked _by_ me. I have no desire to criticize people who post in bad English. I _do_ have problems with people who nitpick stupid irrelevant things even after I corrected them. So I just returned the favor, nitpicking something just as trivial, except at least I corrected mine, after which people continued to pile up on me. His comments weren't all that friendly, either, which you conveniently didn't quote here.
I hope it is clear this time.