AJL wrote:

>> <https://i.postimg.cc/Bv69NQSF/battery19.jpg> Is that last option
>> grayed out for you too?
>
> I don't have a Power Saving switch on screen 2 thus nothing grayed out
> on a later screen. I do have a Wireless power sharing switch on that
> screen that I don't see on yours. Apparently I can wireless charge
> another phone by putting them back to back if needed but have never
> needed or tried it.

Thank you for checking that information out.

My (admittedly free) Android is the cheapest Galaxy made, I think, which is
far more powerful in terms of functionality than any iPhone ever sold, but
it doesn't do wireless charging, so that may be why you have what I don't.

>> What happens if you go to Android 12 > Settings > Battery and device
>> care and then you _longpress_ on any given item to bring up these
>> extra screens?
>
> Long press does nothing extra over what a short press does...

Bummer. My Android is the bottom of the line for Samsung Galaxy devices so
I'd be surprised if it has anything special over the better Galaxy phones.

BTW, I noticed more battery performance options scattered about in the
settings. For example, do you have Developer options turned on perchance?
<https://i.postimg.cc/3N8zZ1vt/devopt05.jpg> Turning Developer Options on

In my Developer options there is a switch for "Wi-Fi scan throttling" which
says "Saves battery and improves network performance" by reducing the
frequency in which the Wi-Fi radios will scan for new access points.
<https://i.postimg.cc/HkkSDgh1/battery20.jpg> Wi-Fi Scan Throttling

There's also a setting for "Background process limit" and "Don't keep
activities" which will "Destroy every activity as soon as the user leaves
it" in addition to the ability to view and control all running services.
<https://i.postimg.cc/28324Hdp/devopt01.jpg> Settings > Developer options
<https://i.postimg.cc/PrqFSfjR/devopt02.jpg> Useful devoptions switches
<https://i.postimg.cc/7LzRSBkP/devopt03.jpg> More devoptions switches
<https://i.postimg.cc/DZFxLn65/devopt04.jpg> Even more devoptions switches

Luckily the battery is so huge it could jumpstart a car, but still, it's
nice to have all these battery options, and the apps that keep track.

Here, for example, are a few screenshots of what the GSAM app displays.
<https://i.postimg.cc/bNGQrMzn/gsam01.jpg> GSam Battery Monitor on Google
<https://i.postimg.cc/dQN2qvKv/gsam02.jpg> com.gsamlabs.bbm on Google Play
<https://i.postimg.cc/wBzJWjD5/gsam03.jpg> Running GSam Battery Monitor
<https://i.postimg.cc/brr1QVkK/gsam04.jpg> OPTIONAL grant access w/o root
<https://i.postimg.cc/BbRP2SqK/gsam05.jpg> Enable More Stats (via adb)
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MJGwHRd/gsam06.jpg> Battery Usage Since Unplugged
<https://i.postimg.cc/XNPCR8wY/gsam07.jpg> Compare WiFi & Phone power
<https://i.postimg.cc/nzH4LhzV/gsam08.jpg> Battery consumption charts
<https://i.postimg.cc/QxWThTbk/gsam09.jpg> Battery consumption by CPU
<https://i.postimg.cc/MpQbPLNw/gsam10.jpg> Battery consumption by app

And here's just a few of the BBS options for keeping tabs on the battery.
<https://i.postimg.cc/90nTDZTV/battery11.jpg> BetterBatteryStats graphs
<https://i.postimg.cc/T1p5v1ss/battery12.jpg> BBS actions by percentage
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZKXpZP4x/battery13.jpg> BBS comprehensive settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/kXSDQ0PW/battery14.jpg> Some BBS settings options
<https://i.postimg.cc/RCyNnMyM/battery15.jpg> More BBS settings options
<https://i.postimg.cc/fLW05BfD/battery16.jpg> Even more BBS options

We should probably just open a separate thread on the Android newsgroup
for what options exist to manage the battery, since there are so many.

Ken Blake wrote:

> Asking (really just giving you the opportunity to tip that way) and
> getting are two different things.

Ken Blake,

I have to ask you something, which you probably don't have the mental
capacity to understand, but did it ever occur to you that in your entire
life, you've never even once added any technical value to any thread.

Has it ever occurred to you that you can't?

All you _can_ do, is talk about fast food in an Android/iOS thread.

It's no wonder you said people your whole life called you stupid, Ken.
Because you are a worthless piece of shit, Ken Blake.

You can't add value to any technical topic on this newsgroup.
Go away and infest some other newsgroup with your worthless drivel please.
--
Posted out of the goodness of my heart to disseminate useful information
which, in this case, is to point out how incredibly worthless Ken Blake is.

On 17 Jan 2023 19:51:18 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2023-01-17, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> there are still people slow-charging their phones in the mistaken
>> belief that that will extend the life of their phone battery. Neither
>> are true.
>
>There are plenty of others who charge their devices overnight while they
>sleep, where slow charging is perfectly fine.

I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
slow; I just use the charger that came with it.

In article <te2gshp5kr2t9ftf219eidae0bk6jh5m3t@4ax.com>, Ken Blake
<Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:

> >There are plenty of others who charge their devices overnight while they
> >sleep, where slow charging is perfectly fine.
>
>
> I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
> slow; I just use the charger that came with it.

as do most people.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 10:09:09 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In article <te2gshp5kr2t9ftf219eidae0bk6jh5m3t@4ax.com>, Ken Blake
><Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>
>> >There are plenty of others who charge their devices overnight while they
>> >sleep, where slow charging is perfectly fine.
>>
>>
>> I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
>> slow; I just use the charger that came with it.
>
>as do most people.

Yes, of course. My point was that I was included in that "plenty of
others."

On 1/18/2023 3:08 AM, Andy Burnelli wrote:

> I noticed more battery performance options scattered about in the
> settings. For example, do you [AJL] have Developer options turned on
> perchance?

No I don't have Developer options turned on. I hadn't planned to keep
the Galaxy S10+ this long so didn't worry about the battery other than
the heat thing which I figured may be bad for other phone parts as well.
Since I've seen no battery degradation (for my light use) after 3 1/2
years I'm not going to change things at this late date since I see a new
phone peeking at me just over the horizon...

BTW the wife's iPhone's battery seems to still work just fine after 2
years (the Verizon payments just stopped). I can tell because she's
hours on it most days gabbing with the kids and grandkids. And her
wireless charger isn't modified like mine so maybe I did waste my time...

On 1/17/2023 11:11 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/17/2023 6:56 PM, AJL wrote:

>> On my Samsung Galaxy S10+ (Android 12): Settings > Battery and
>> device care > Battery > More battery settings > Protect battery
>> switch to ON" Caption under switch: "To extend the lifespan of your
>> battery limit the charge to 85%".

> I checked my wife's S10E with Android 12 and it has that setting.
> Need to keep that phone going since there are no new smaller Android
> devices with a headphone jack and a MicroSD card slot.

I haven't used my S10+ headphone jack or slot in a couple of years so it
won't be a priority for me in my next phone. I think most folks have
gone wireless these days. I can't remember the last time I saw a wire
being worn when out. But as always it's a YMMV thing.

BTW I was surprised to find that my Galaxy S10+ USB-C port also supports
audio (along its the earphone hole).

I had a Chrome tablet with only one USB-C port. Now that was annoying. I
did want to listen to internal music files and internet radio on it so I
had to get a USB-C to headphone hole adapter. And when I plugged my new
adapter into my phone just for fun to see what would happen it also
worked...

Ken Blake wrote:

>I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
>slow; I just use the charger that came with it.

Wait... a charger /came/ with it? Everyone on the Apple newsgroup is
telling us Google is following Apple's lead and skimping on chargers.

AJL wrote:

>> I noticed more battery performance options scattered about in the
>> settings. For example, do you [AJL] have Developer options turned on
>> perchance?
>
> No I don't have Developer options turned on.

Oh. I see. Well, it's the first thing I turn on in any Android but I
recently saw a thread that shows you can recover from a shattered screen
even without it (although not as easily as you can if you turned it on).

What Developer options allows you to do is neat stuff like GPS spoofing,
and Wi-Fi MAC address randomization for every connection and mirroring your
phone onto Android over Wi-Fi, and keeping the phone awake during charging
(if you like that) and verbose Wi-Fi signal strength logging and faster
and/or more reliable switching between Wi-Fi and cellular data (for fewer
dropped calls in low signal strength areas like mine) and just about a
billion other things (like choosing your default codecs or frequencies).

There's more about it in this thread:
*Do you turn USB Debugging on the instant you get a new phone?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/c8b0FRvALmo>

> I hadn't planned to keep
> the Galaxy S10+ this long so didn't worry about the battery other than
> the heat thing which I figured may be bad for other phone parts as well.

The battery on that S10+ is surprisingly Apple sized, and that's a very
small apple when I say that, at only a puny 4,100mAh which is small
compared to most Android batteries today (it's about on par for Apple but
Apple designs the phone to die sooner than Android as a result).

Since your battery is appreciably smaller than mine (at 5 amp hours), I
would think you need the 85% charging limit more than most of us do.

The reasoning is that you lose about 20% (or so) of your total capacity
after 500 cycles where a loss of 20% of 4.1 AH gets you down to 3,280 mAH,
while a loss of 20% on a 5AH battery keeps it at 122% of that at 4000 mAH.

Stated simply, the smaller battery will always die sooner in all ways.
(There's nothing good to say about a small battery in terms of life.)

But if it's already old, then you're doing the right thing as your total
cost of ownership goes down down down every month you hang on to the phone.

> Since I've seen no battery degradation (for my light use) after 3 1/2
> years I'm not going to change things at this late date since I see a new
> phone peeking at me just over the horizon...

No argument with you there, as with today's fast chargers, you're up and
running nowadays in an hour or two even from a completely smacked battery.

> BTW the wife's iPhone's battery seems to still work just fine after 2
> years (the Verizon payments just stopped). I can tell because she's
> hours on it most days gabbing with the kids and grandkids. And her
> wireless charger isn't modified like mine so maybe I did waste my time...

Good to know. My iPads are feeling weary especially when it gets cold.

They get flaky but the batteries are still holding up a lot better than the
iPhones of the same era that had to be secretly throttled so that Apple
could sell more iPhones.

Funny that Apple's special battery chemistry was only put in the iPads. :)

In article <tq95cd$v5kj$3@dont-email.me>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

> I haven't used my S10+ headphone jack or slot in a couple of years so it
> won't be a priority for me in my next phone. I think most folks have
> gone wireless these days. I can't remember the last time I saw a wire
> being worn when out. But as always it's a YMMV thing.

exactly.

In article <xn0nwztny8f3ue000@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> >I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
> >slow; I just use the charger that came with it.
>
> Wait... a charger /came/ with it? Everyone on the Apple newsgroup is
> telling us Google is following Apple's lead and skimping on chargers.

the pixel 4a was released 2.5 years ago. at that time, chargers were
almost always included.

badgolferman wrote:

>>I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
>>slow; I just use the charger that came with it.
>
> Wait... a charger /came/ with it? Everyone on the Apple newsgroup is
> telling us Google is following Apple's lead and skimping on chargers.

Hi badgolferman,

I commiserate equally with you on what Apple's decontenting strategy is
as I'm a victim just as much as you're a victim of Apple's public lies.

At the same time you picked up your 5G iPhone from T-Mobile in April 2021,
I was given three free Samsung's from T-Mobile, but I had to _pay_ for the
Phone, where the PD/QC _fast_ charger came with _all_ the free Samsungs.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract

Notice the total cost of ownership of the Android phones, which, let's be
clear, have far more app functionality than any iPhone ever sold, starts at
a cost of zero and just gets better from there, while the iPhone starts at
half price.

So the total cost of ownership of my non fictitious phones, is clearly
vastly in favor of the lower total cost of ownership of Android over Apple.

Alas, to make the total cost of ownership of Apple devices even worse,
we had to purchase a PD charger for the half-priced iPhone 12 mini.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8CdRfDFn/my-iphone.jpg> 1/2 priced iPHone 12 mini

The end result is it's only Apple who started this deplorable inexorable
decontenting trend (year after year after year, Apple strategically removes
"something" you need so as to force you into the glue trap of figuring out
how to buy it back).

For the most part, it's only Apple who screws the (admittedly) loyal (and
just as admittedly gullible) customer who feels great about being screwed
because by forcing them to all buy the correct PD charger, somehow Apple
feels good about the environment as they take the money gained to the bank.

Interestingly, Apple comes up with the most inane of excuses for each
successive wave of decontenting the iPhone, much like the iKooks who defend
Apple to the death come up with kindergarten excuses for why Apple did it.

There's only one reason Apple decontents the iPhone year after year.
By doing so, they force the customer to scramble to buy it all back.

In summary, I provided proof (and you know my credibility is stellar),
that the total cost of ownership of the Apple iPhone is vastly more than
the Android phones in my home (which includes 3 iPads & four phones).
<https://i.postimg.cc/nhpbcP50/tmopromo04.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 tax

nospam wrote:

>>>I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
>>>slow; I just use the charger that came with it.
>>
>> Wait... a charger /came/ with it? Everyone on the Apple newsgroup is
>> telling us Google is following Apple's lead and skimping on chargers.
>
> the pixel 4a was released 2.5 years ago. at that time, chargers were
> almost always included.

Apple started this deplorable trend of lying about why they removed the
chargers, so in April 2021, when I got four free Androids, and one
half-price iPhone, the total cost of ownership of the iPhone is vastly
(overwhelmingly) greater than the total cost of all three of those Android
phones _combined_, nospam.

And then the Total Cost of Ownership for the iPhone got worse right away.
<https://i.postimg.cc/YC1B906F/tmopromo01.jpg> A32-5G & iPhone 12 contract
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xq5SpS4D/tmopromo02.jpg> $15/mo iPhone,$0/mo Android
<https://i.postimg.cc/L6dFGXVd/tmopromo03.jpg> $100 for 6 lines + $16 tax

I had to buy the proper PD charger for the half-priced iPhone, while each
of the three free Android phones (which, make no mistake about it, have
vastly more app functionality than any iPhone ever sold) came with the fast
charger.

Fancy that.

The total cost of ownership for a _single_ iPhone in a real world realistic
test is vastly more than the cost of _three_ Android devices, combined.

That's a real world example, nospam.
It's not fictitious like Steve's examples are.

Apple's strategy of inexorably removing "something" from the iPhone so as
to lay a glue trap that the customers have to buy their way out of hurts
the customer.

I'm a victim of Apple's strategy.
Just as much as badgolferman is.

I'm a victim of Apple's shameless public lies too.
As is badgolferman.

We're not fooled.
You are.

nospam wrote:

>> I haven't used my S10+ headphone jack or slot in a couple of years so it
>> won't be a priority for me in my next phone. I think most folks have
>> gone wireless these days. I can't remember the last time I saw a wire
>> being worn when out. But as always it's a YMMV thing.
>
> exactly.

And yet, I use mine all the time.

More to the point, _most_ Android phones, by far, have them.
Even new Android phones.

The only reason iPhones don't have them is to force the customer to buy
their way out of the glue trap Apple created by not having them.

Having said that, let's be clear that AJL said he doesn't stress his phone,
so, of course, if you never need portable memory, then you don't need it.

However...

If you _need_ portable memory, you're screwed if you own an iPhone.
It's _impossible_ to replicate what the internal portable memory does for
you, and if you iKooks believe otherwise, it's indicative of your low IQ.

Likewise with the wired headphones...

Apple's strategy is clearly to inexorably decontent the iPhone so as to
force the customer to buy their way out of the glue trap Apple laid.

And then Apple publicly lies about why they did it.
Happens every time.

Just watch next year... what will Apple remove next... wait & see.

Andy Burnelli wrote:

>Just watch next year... what will Apple remove next... wait & see.

The battery?

On 2023-01-18 09:48, badgolferman wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
>> Just watch next year... what will Apple remove next... wait & see.
>
> The battery?

Take a quick count right now:

How many chargers do you own that can charge your current phone overnight?

I'll wait.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote
> Andy Burnelli wrote

>> Just watch next year... what will Apple remove next... wait & see.

> The battery?

Better if they remove Arlen.

Bugger, what are those black helicopters doing over my house again ?

On 1/18/2023 9:05 AM, AJL wrote:
> On 1/17/2023 11:11 PM, sms wrote:
>> On 1/17/2023 6:56 PM, AJL wrote:
>
>>> On my Samsung Galaxy S10+ (Android 12): Settings > Battery and
>>> device care > Battery > More battery settings > Protect battery
>>> switch to ON" Caption under switch: "To extend the lifespan of your
>>> battery limit the charge to 85%".
>
>> I checked my wife's S10E with Android 12 and it has that setting.
>> Need to keep that phone going since there are no new smaller Android
>> devices with a headphone jack and a MicroSD card slot.
>
> I haven't used my S10+ headphone jack or slot in a couple of years so it
> won't be a priority for me in my next phone. I think most folks have
> gone wireless these days. I can't remember the last time I saw a wire
> being worn when out. But as always it's a YMMV thing.
>
> BTW I was surprised to find that my Galaxy S10+ USB-C port also supports
> audio (along its the earphone hole).
>
> I had a Chrome tablet with only one USB-C port. Now that was annoying. I
> did want to listen to internal music files and internet radio on it so I
> had to get a USB-C to headphone hole adapter. And when I plugged my new
> adapter into my phone just for fun to see what would happen it also
> worked...

At the gym I go to I'd estimate that about 20% of the members are still
using wired headphones, either with a phone with 3.5mm headphone jack or
with an adapter. I was surprised to see _any_ wired headphones, but
there are a lot of seniors at this club. Of the 80% with Bluetooth
headphones probably 95% are AirPods. I suspect that many of those phones
at the gym are not the user's primary phone, they use it for music apps
while connected to the gym's Wi-Fi. I see a lot of the old style iPhones
with bezels.

They also plug the wired headphones with some of the exercise equipment,
though the newer equipment has Bluetooth. Annoyingly, the best
elliptical has no Bluetooth but it's the only machine that has an NFC
connection for the Apple Watch.

They just got some new rowers
<https://hydrow.com/products/rowers/hydrow-rower/> with Bluetooth (so
you can listen to the people on the screen encourage you as they row in
various places, but no Apple Watch connection
<https://hydrow.com/products/rowers/hydrow-rower/>. After about five
minutes the Apple Watch figures out that I'm rowing and asks if I want
to record the workout.

On 1/18/2023 8:39 AM, badgolferman wrote:
> Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
>> slow; I just use the charger that came with it.
>
> Wait... a charger /came/ with it? Everyone on the Apple newsgroup is
> telling us Google is following Apple's lead and skimping on chargers.

It's taken a few years, but Google and Samsung have also decontented
their products by not including a charger and removing the headphone
jack, and in the case of Samsung, removing the MicroSD card slot.

On 1/17/2023 1:28 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/17/2023 10:32 AM, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> On 1/16/23 7:05 PM, sms wrote:
>>> If you really want to increase the lifespan of the battery, don't
>>> charge it past 80%
>>
>> Where is the setting on the phone to set that 80% battery charge
>> autolimit?
>
> No such setting in Android or iOS.

Samsung has a setting for 85% beginning with the S10 series but it's not
part of stock Android, it's something that Samsung added.

On 1/17/2023 2:08 PM, JAB wrote:

<snip>

> Can you at least answer the question of whether the Apple and Samsung
> chargers support both the common PD and more common QC charging standards?

They do not. Or at least Samsung never mentions QC support on their PD
chargers. Back when Samsung included chargers with phones they did
supply QC compatible chargers, but those were not PD compatible.

From Samsung's web site:
1. Samsung 25W USB-C Fast Charging Wall Charger
<https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/mobile-accessories/phones/25w-usb-c-fast-charging-wall-charger-black-ep-ta800xbegus/>:
"Any PD device, including Galaxy Note10, can charge at up to 25W. Other
USB-C devices rates will vary."

2, "Samsung 25W Super Fast Wall Charger"
<https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/mobile-accessories/phones/25w-travel-adapter-white-ep-ta800nwegus/>:
"Power Delivery 3.0 PPS."

3. "Samsung 45W USB-C Fast Charging Wall Charger"
<https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/mobile-accessories/phones/45w-usb-c-fast-charging-wall-charger-white-ep-ta845xwegus/>
"This Samsung wall charger with 45 Watt Super Fast Charge capability
uses Power Delivery (PD) to provide the most efficient charge possible.
Any PD device, including Galaxy Note10+, can charge at up to 45W. Other
USB-C devices rates will vary."

Apple also does not support the QC standard, or at least they never
mention it.

I always advise people to choose an after-market charger that supports
both USB-PD and QC3.0 (or 4.0). But we have both Android and iPhone
devices in my household, my wife ant I each have both, so there's an
incentive for us to have a charger that supports both standards (and
that has multiple ports). This
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XYNK5TG> is the one I usually
recommend since it can also charge most laptops if you use a USB-C PD to
the appropriate barrel connector. Last time I purchased one it was only
$9 since there was a $20.99 coupon. Now it's $22.99 (there's only an $8
coupon).

QC support is becoming less of an issue since even lower-cost phones
have moved to PD fast charging (like the Samsung A series).

In article <tq9stf$gka$1@gioia.aioe.org>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> At the gym I go to I'd estimate that about 20% of the members are still
> using wired headphones, either with a phone with 3.5mm headphone jack or
> with an adapter.

more commonly, they're connected directly into the lightning/usb port.

> I was surprised to see _any_ wired headphones, but
> there are a lot of seniors at this club.

meaningless claim.

> Of the 80% with Bluetooth
> headphones probably 95% are AirPods.

not surprising.

> I suspect that many of those phones
> at the gym are not the user's primary phone, they use it for music apps
> while connected to the gym's Wi-Fi.

baseless claim. you have no way to know whether it's a secondary
phone, which is unlikely, especially if there are a lot of seniors who
aren't the demographic to have multiple iphones.

> I see a lot of the old style iPhones
> with bezels.

bullshit.

sms wrote:

>>> I charge mine (Pixel 4a) overnight. I don't know whether it's fast or
>>> slow; I just use the charger that came with it.
>>
>> Wait... a charger /came/ with it? Everyone on the Apple newsgroup is
>> telling us Google is following Apple's lead and skimping on chargers.
>
> It's taken a few years, but Google and Samsung have also decontented
> their products by not including a charger and removing the headphone
> jack, and in the case of Samsung, removing the MicroSD card slot.

Steve is a political animal so he's trying to intimate what isn't true.
Meanwhile, nospam is always defending Apple's flaws, to the death.

Here are the incontrovertible facts:
a. 78% have the industry standard 3.5 mm jack
b. 72% have internal portable storage slots
c. 66% of Android phones sold today have _both_ portable storage & 3.5mm

See below for incontrovertible proof... done how we always have done it.

The only reason iPhones don't have the basic hardware is for Apple to lay a
stick glue trap for its (admittedly loyal) customers to buy it back.

Apple isn't a design house.
Apple can't design a damn thing.

Apple is a MARKETING powerhouse."
Apple, like CocaCola, is great at marketing sugar water.

Google & Samsung can afford to copy Apple in their attempt to garner the
same profit margins Apple earns from its admittedly gullible customers.

However, the facts must be shown as they stood last we checked on 20220815:
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2
2019 to today number of Android phones (not tablets) = 1850 = 100%
Running that same query today, we find there are 2,066 current models.

Last we checked, on 20220815, 78% had the industry standard 3.5mm jack.
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2
Android phones with 3.5mm jack = 1440 = 78%
Running that same query today, we find there are 1,581 models with it.
The percentage has dropped from 78% to 77%, which is barely a dent.

As for the internal portable storage card slot, I don't see that we listed
that in those numbers that we compiled last August on this newsgroup.

Running that test, we find there are 1,486 phones with portable storage.
https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1
That's the vast majority of Android phones at 72% by those same measures.

Running one more test, which is the intersection of those two features,
https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1
We find there are 1,368 current Android phones with both capabilities.

That's the majority of Android phones sold today, at 66%.
Please check the numbers understanding this is the _same_ test we've always
run.

On 1/17/2023 7:15 PM, JAB wrote:

<snip>

> The Samsung charger is both.

It is not. Or at least Samsung never states that their chargers support QC.

I've added to the document to explain that the Apple and Samsung
chargers are USB-PD only.

I added references to three chargers that are USB-C PD/QC.

I don't know if any of the carriers' stores sell chargers that are both
USB-C PD and QC.

The "Realistic Total Cost of Ownership—iPhone Versus Android" Google
Docs document is at
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BUZuX-i1set7ktS4lbfGBmzdiCLAoOKfqp0ZSOrZlhk>

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 02:31:52 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>> The Samsung charger is both.
>
> It is not. Or at least Samsung never states that their chargers support QC.
>
> I've added to the document to explain that the Apple and Samsung
> chargers are USB-PD only.
>
> I added references to three chargers that are USB-C PD/QC.

I apologize for being wrong on the charger.
And I appreciate that you are adding that charger data to your spreadsheet.

I will accept that you are right, especially since I had assumed without
checking myself that the Apple charger was PD and the Samsung was PD/QC.

What I knew was the Samsung supports both and when I checked in the Florida
store badgolferman selected they emphatically told me their Samsung charger
fit the phone's charging specs to charge the phone to half in half an hour.

Therein lies the danger of me making that assumption, even though it's
fully correct that Samsung supports both and the iPhone only supports PD.
https://switchchargers.com/best-fast-chargers-samsung-galaxy-s/

Moving forward, it makes no sense for a buyer to purchase a charger that
only supports half the standards, which makes both chargers infeasible.

If someone wants to buy one charger that supports the most standards, it
wouldn't be the Apple or Samsung charger but something like yours.

Back to cost comparisons, if we change badgolferman's and my calculations
to purchase the charger online, what charger do you recommend we put there?

Notice it would be the same price for either phone so, no matter the price,
it changes the total costs of both phones equally by the same amount.

Can you point me again to the charger you recommend to buy for BOTH phones?
That will help make our realistic (not ficticious) survey more reliable.

Let us know what else we need to improve so that you will include our
realistic (not ficticious) survey of costs when bought at the carrier store
into your spreadsheet of cost comparisons for the iPhone 14 & S22.