On 7/9/2022 1:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 7/9/22 11:19 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 11:08:24 -0000 (UTC), Keyser  Soze
>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:01:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From an op-ed article by Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an armed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>> officially authorizing
>>>>>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied
>>>>>>>>>>>> such an
>>>>>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> authority to do so in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard
>>>>>>>>>>>> troops, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> formal
>>>>>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's your go-to source?
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>>>>>>> authorized
>>>>>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch
>>>>>>>>> asked for
>>>>>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>>>>>> chain of command.
>>>>>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>>>>>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>>>>>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>>>>>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> A claim was made here that Trump made a formal request. I called b.s.
>>>>> on that. You agree with me. Enough.
>>>>
>>>> So it sounds like you admit this witch hunt is all about trying to
>>>> blame Trump, not what went wrong on Jan 6.
>>>> Nobody seems to care that a few hundred unarmed yahoos were able to
>>>> breach Capitol security and trash the place. It wasn't even a surprise
>>>> attack. The congressional security people had a month to plan.
>>>> You admit Trump talked about whether they needed 10,000 or 20,000
>>>> national guard troops but the call never came from the only people who
>>>> could ask.
>>>> BTW I still see this as a security problem. The politics are just
>>>> bullshit. Everyone wants to break another Watergate, White Water or
>>>> whatever. They are all crooks
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let us try again, because plain language seems beyond you. My
>>> statement was
>>> solely over whether Trump formally requested the national guard. I
>>> stated
>>> he did not. You are offering me rationales and apologies for his lack of
>>> action. I don’t give a shit about those because they are not the
>>> issues I
>>> raised. Play your word games twitch the Trumpsters.
>>
>> Maybe you don't understand the separation of powers., Trump CAN'T
>> unilaterally send troops to the Capitol.
>> He also doesn't "ask" the DCNG anything, They work for him. (the only
>> national guard troops who do) If there was a request from the hill, he
>> would "order" them to go. He didn't get that request before the riot
>> was in full swing.
>> Those are just the facts and you can throw bullshit around all you
>> like about "formal requests" that do not exist in that command
>> structure. The only one who makes requests are congress and they did
>> not make that request. They also waived off the DC police, the Park
>> Police and all of the other 100+ police agencies in the DC area.
>>
>> These are just the ones who work for the Federal government
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States
>>
>>

Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> On 7/9/22 7:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/8/2022 9:01 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>> On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find
>>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne
>>>>>>>>>>> and Harry
>>>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to
>>>>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially
>>>>>>>>>> authorizing
>>>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the
>>>>>>>>>> Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied
>>>>>>>>>> such an
>>>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority
>>>>>>>>>> to do so in
>>>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard
>>>>>>>>>> troops, not
>>>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a
>>>>>>>>>> formal
>>>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's
>>>>>>>>> your go-to source?
>>>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>>>>> authorized
>>>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>>>> chain of command.
>>>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>>>
>>>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>>>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>>>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>>>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know who
>>>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>>>
>>
>>
>>>   A claim was made here that Trump made a formal request. I called
>>> b.s. on that. You agree with me. Enough.
>>>
>>
>> He made a formal offer ... via the DOD.  It was rejected.  It's in a
>> documented timeline (log) of events leading up to Jan 6th.
>>
>
> The usual suspects among the GOPers have repeatedly made claims that
> Trump formally as POTUS made such a request, but he did not.
>

Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> On 7/9/22 6:50 AM, John H wrote:
>
>> "That's not a baby kicking, Karen dear, it's just a fetus!"
>
>
> You right-wing trashmeisters aren't pro-life; you are pro-fetus. Your
> idol, Trump, has been tape recorded stating he wanted the Georgia
> officials to "find" another 11,000+ votes for him. I hope that results
> in one of the indictments against him.
>

Just like Al Gore spent months trying to get more votes in Florida?

Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> On 7/9/22 7:07 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/8/2022 8:20 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser  Soze wrote:
>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>> expired.  Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing.  No one else in the history of this
>>>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing  a
>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>> election.  The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden.  He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end,
>>>>>>>>>> Biden
>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find
>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and
>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to
>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially
>>>>>>> authorizing
>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the
>>>>>>> Jan. 6,
>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to
>>>>>>> do so in
>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof.  That's
>>>>>> your go-to source?
>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>> authorized
>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>
>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>> chain of command.
>>>
>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>
>>
>> Semantics. Here's what happened ... very much abbreviated:
>>
>> The DOD (under Trump) contacted the Capital Police several days
>> before Jan 6th and offered National Guard assistance.
>>
>> Capital Police initially refused offer.
>>
>> Next day Capital Police reassessed the situation and
>> requested permission to deploy National Guard troops from the House and
>> Senate Sergeant at Arms – both of whom report to House Speaker Nancy
>> Pelosi and Senate Democrat Leader Chuck Schumer, respectively.
>>
>> This request was denied.  The Capital Police Chief was told to
>> contact the Wash DC National Guard instead to see if they could
>> assist.
>>
>> Meanwhile, the DOD continued preparations to provide federal
>> National Guard assist if requested.  This was Trump's actions.
>>
>> So did he "officially authorize"?  No. He couldn't because his
>> offer of assistance was rejected.
>>
>>
>>
>
> As I stated several times, Trump did not formally request assistance.
> Even for Trump, for whom the rules of government never mattered, they
> actually do.
>

<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:38:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/9/22 6:46 AM, John H wrote:
>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>
>>> Read, dipshit. This is much closer to 'proof' than any bullshit you've
>>> posted:
>>>
>>> https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready-to-deploy-national-guard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald
>>
>> A news report, shit for brains, is not written, official proof of a
>> government action. Might work for you and your moron buddies, but not in
>> the real world.
>
> Your moron buddies do not have a clue how the chain of command works
> if you think the president "formally requests" anything from the DCNG.
> Maybe that is what happens when you successfully dodge the draft.
>

On 7/9/2022 1:19 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
> On 7/9/22 11:25 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:38:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/9/22 6:46 AM, John H wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser  Soze wrote:
>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>> expired.  Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing.  No one else in the history of this
>>>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing  a
>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>> election.  The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden.  He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end,
>>>>>>>>>> Biden
>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an
>>>>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find
>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and
>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to
>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially
>>>>>>> authorizing
>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the
>>>>>>> Jan. 6,
>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to
>>>>>>> do so in
>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof.  That's
>>>>>> your go-to source?
>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>> authorized
>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>
>>>> Read, dipshit. This is much closer to 'proof' than any bullshit you've
>>>> posted:
>>>>
>>>> https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready-to-deploy-national-guard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald
>>>>
>>>
>>> A news report, shit for brains, is not written, official proof of a
>>> government action. Might work for you and your moron buddies, but not in
>>> the real world.
>>
>> Your moron buddies do not have a clue how the chain of command works
>> if you think the president "formally requests" anything from the DCNG.
>> Maybe that is what happens when you successfully dodge the draft.
>

On 7/9/22 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
> On 7/9/2022 1:19 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>> On 7/9/22 11:25 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:38:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/9/22 6:46 AM, John H wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser  Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> expired.  Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing.  No one else in the history of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing  a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>> election.  The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden.  He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an
>>>>>>>>>>> end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an
>>>>>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find
>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne
>>>>>>>>> and Harry
>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to
>>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially
>>>>>>>> authorizing
>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the
>>>>>>>> Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority
>>>>>>>> to do so in
>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard
>>>>>>>> troops, not
>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof.  That's
>>>>>>> your go-to source?
>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>>> authorized
>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>
>>>>> Read, dipshit. This is much closer to 'proof' than any bullshit you've
>>>>> posted:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready-to-deploy-national-guard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A news report, shit for brains, is not written, official proof of a
>>>> government action. Might work for you and your moron buddies, but
>>>> not in
>>>> the real world.
>>>
>>> Your moron buddies do not have a clue how the chain of command works
>>> if you think the president "formally requests" anything from the DCNG.
>>> Maybe that is what happens when you successfully dodge the draft.
>>
>
>
>
>> I wasn't the one making such a claim; I stated Trump made no such
>> formal request. And it isn't my fault that you were too intellectually
>> lazy to get and keep a student deferment.
>>
>
> You have successfully obscured this discussion with semantics in order
> to avoid answering the original question posed.  Permit me to rephrase
> it for your benefit:
>
> "If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>  claim why did he offer National Guard troops to assist
>  Capital Police four days prior?"
>
I haven't seen any documentation that Trump seriously made such an
offer, especially in light of his urging on his thug followers to
engage in armed insurrection of the capital and the hanging of Mike Pence.
--
* I just want to find 11,780 votes... *

Keyser Söze <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
> On 7/9/22 2:10 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>> On 7/9/2022 1:19 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>> On 7/9/22 11:25 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:38:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/22 6:46 AM, John H wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser  Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expired.  Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing.  No one else in the history of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing  a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election.  The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden.  He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an
>>>>>>>>>>>> end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an
>>>>>>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find
>>>>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne
>>>>>>>>>> and Harry
>>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to
>>>>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially
>>>>>>>>> authorizing
>>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the
>>>>>>>>> Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority
>>>>>>>>> to do so in
>>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard
>>>>>>>>> troops, not
>>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof.  That's
>>>>>>>> your go-to source?
>>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>>>> authorized
>>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read, dipshit. This is much closer to 'proof' than any bullshit you've
>>>>>> posted:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready-to-deploy-national-guard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A news report, shit for brains, is not written, official proof of a
>>>>> government action. Might work for you and your moron buddies, but
>>>>> not in
>>>>> the real world.
>>>>
>>>> Your moron buddies do not have a clue how the chain of command works
>>>> if you think the president "formally requests" anything from the DCNG.
>>>> Maybe that is what happens when you successfully dodge the draft.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I wasn't the one making such a claim; I stated Trump made no such
>>> formal request. And it isn't my fault that you were too intellectually
>>> lazy to get and keep a student deferment.
>>>
>>
>> You have successfully obscured this discussion with semantics in order
>> to avoid answering the original question posed.  Permit me to rephrase
>> it for your benefit:
>>
>> "If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>  claim why did he offer National Guard troops to assist
>>  Capital Police four days prior?"
>>
> I haven't seen any documentation that Trump seriously made such an
> offer, especially in light of his urging on his thug followers to
> engage in armed insurrection of the capital and the hanging of Mike Pence.

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 13:17:21 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 7/9/22 11:19 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 11:08:24 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:01:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>>>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>>>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>>>>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch asked for
>>>>>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>>>>>> chain of command.
>>>>>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>>>>>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>>>>>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>>>>>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know who
>>>>>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> A claim was made here that Trump made a formal request. I called b.s.
>>>>> on that. You agree with me. Enough.
>>>>
>>>> So it sounds like you admit this witch hunt is all about trying to
>>>> blame Trump, not what went wrong on Jan 6.
>>>> Nobody seems to care that a few hundred unarmed yahoos were able to
>>>> breach Capitol security and trash the place. It wasn't even a surprise
>>>> attack. The congressional security people had a month to plan.
>>>> You admit Trump talked about whether they needed 10,000 or 20,000
>>>> national guard troops but the call never came from the only people who
>>>> could ask.
>>>> BTW I still see this as a security problem. The politics are just
>>>> bullshit. Everyone wants to break another Watergate, White Water or
>>>> whatever. They are all crooks
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let us try again, because plain language seems beyond you. My statement was
>>> solely over whether Trump formally requested the national guard. I stated
>>> he did not. You are offering me rationales and apologies for his lack of
>>> action. I don’t give a shit about those because they are not the issues I
>>> raised. Play your word games twitch the Trumpsters.
>>
>> Maybe you don't understand the separation of powers., Trump CAN'T
>> unilaterally send troops to the Capitol.
>> He also doesn't "ask" the DCNG anything, They work for him. (the only
>> national guard troops who do) If there was a request from the hill, he
>> would "order" them to go. He didn't get that request before the riot
>> was in full swing.
>> Those are just the facts and you can throw bullshit around all you
>> like about "formal requests" that do not exist in that command
>> structure. The only one who makes requests are congress and they did
>> not make that request. They also waived off the DC police, the Park
>> Police and all of the other 100+ police agencies in the DC area.
>>
>> These are just the ones who work for the Federal government
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States
>>
>
>You are just proving my point, that Trump DID NOT make a formal request.

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 13:19:31 -0400, Keyser Söze
<KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:

>On 7/9/22 11:25 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 08:38:47 -0400, Keyser Söze
>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/9/22 6:46 AM, John H wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>> <KeyserSoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com" <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From an op-ed article by Mick Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however, particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility. "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote. "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses," Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun: witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90 day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care. The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of this country
>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit an armed
>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and find political
>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops to assist
>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump officially authorizing
>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of the Jan. 6,
>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied such an
>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the authority to do so in
>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his acting defense
>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard troops, not
>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a formal
>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof. That's your go-to source?
>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally authorized
>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>
>>>> Read, dipshit. This is much closer to 'proof' than any bullshit you've
>>>> posted:
>>>>
>>>> https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-admin-was-ready-to-deploy-national-guard-on-jan-6-capitol-police-timeline-shows-january-donald
>>>
>>> A news report, shit for brains, is not written, official proof of a
>>> government action. Might work for you and your moron buddies, but not in
>>> the real world.
>>
>> Your moron buddies do not have a clue how the chain of command works
>> if you think the president "formally requests" anything from the DCNG.
>> Maybe that is what happens when you successfully dodge the draft.
>
>I wasn't the one making such a claim; I stated Trump made no such formal
>request. And it isn't my fault that you were too intellectually lazy to
>get and keep a student deferment.

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 13:20:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" <nothere@noland.com>
wrote:

>On 7/9/2022 1:17 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
>> On 7/9/22 11:19 AM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 11:08:24 -0000 (UTC), Keyser  Soze
>>> <keysersoze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <gfretwell@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 21:01:03 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>> <KeyserSöze@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/8/22 8:46 PM, gfretwell@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 17:24:27 -0700 (PDT), "345...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>> <3452471@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 8:20:44 PM UTC-4, Keyser Söze wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/8/22 1:53 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 13:37:34 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
>>>>>>>>>> <Keyse...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 345...@gmail.com <345...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-4, Keyser Soze
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite <not...@noland.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/2022 2:10 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 10:17:12 -0400, Keyser Söze
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <KeyserSöz...@whitehouse.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/7/22 6:34 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 3:51 PM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:20:17 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:49:22 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 10:38 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 6:41:52 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/6/2022 1:42 AM, waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 7:13:34 AM UTC-4, Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2022 4:02 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 4 Jul 2022 06:55:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 8:01 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2022 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Luddite wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2022 4:53 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waynebatr...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 4:16:22 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2022 07:39:53 -0400, "Mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luddite"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <not...@noland.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/1/2022 4:58 PM, gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 2:27:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-4,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfre...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "waynebatr...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <wayne.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From an op-ed article by Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney in USA Today:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's quite likely that Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to obstruct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice, which may turn out to be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most serious,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and most provable crime he committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick Mulvaney, Director of the Office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Budget; White House Chief of Staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Per Mulvaney, such claims are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threat Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be most worried about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also described a former White
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House aide's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday testimony as "eminently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The former acting White House chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of staff Mick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote on Wednesday that in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his view the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real threat to former President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Trump was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that might lead to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of justice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote that he had previously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defended the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> former president against claims that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "anything illegal or criminal" in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relation to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitol riot. He said he was having
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining that position, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after Hutchinson's testimony, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he said he found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "eminently credible."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Because after some of the bombshells
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dropped in that hearing, my guess is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could get very dark for the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney also said, though, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday's hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revealed one real threat to Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that didn't hinge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Hutchinson's words or credibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that jumped out at me," he wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And it is the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that should most worry the former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He referred to the evidence presented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Rep. Liz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheney of Wyoming toward the end of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consisting of two messages that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> January 6 panel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witnesses said they received before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depositions. The messages included
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allusions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being a "team player" to "stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good graces in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump world" as well as a reminder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Trump read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transcripts of interviews.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney said that the implication
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind displaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the messages during the hearing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "crystal clear."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Jan. 6 committee members believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence that people within the Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempted to intimidate witnesses,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mulvaney wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "And that, any way you slice it, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obstruction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> justice."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you want to bet, if Trump said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he wasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running in 2024, this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole witch hunt evaporates. De Santis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be taking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that option away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from him anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /?wiCH ?h?nt/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nounhistorical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noun: witch-hunt; plural noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch-hunts; noun:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witchhunt; plural noun: witchhunts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a) search for and subsequent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persecution of a supposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> witch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b) informal: a campaign directed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against a person or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group holding unorthodox or unpopular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> views.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I take some exception to your use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "witch-hunt"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of its implication of a search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that isn't real. In my mind, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind of many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, Trump's criminality is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> real. The question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is how best to prove it, and how best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to punish it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure it's enough to just keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2024 but that's a good start. I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to see his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cult mystique with the right win sector
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican party totally annihilated so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to deal with his toxic influence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The whole process bothers me. Even you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit, the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> designed to prevent him from running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again (two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impeachments, one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after he left office and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hanging your hat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the 14th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this supposed to be up to the voters?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you folks so afraid of open and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free elections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would much prefer that he simply gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clobbered in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the primaries by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margins too great to protest. De Santis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipping away at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still believe the risks of trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> charge this guy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over bullshit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the social upheaval it might cause
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not worth the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> risk for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slim chance you can get any kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conviction by 2024.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The court would still be hearing motions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mentioned before, Cruz is still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> court for a school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shooting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018 and it was a slam dunk against a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kid with few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present a defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump may be a piece of shit but he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit who has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always been surrounded by lawyers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even Biden the Bozo isn't blaming Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for much anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all "Russia, Russia, Russia".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has to be a little careful or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone will point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out Russia was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quiet on Trump's watch. They got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frisky during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama's watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and started a war on Biden's watch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Putin had Trump right where he wanted him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and didn't want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to upset the balance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.forumcomm.com/dims4/default/cc2560c/2147483647/strip/false/crop/3259x2423+0+0/resize/1486x1105!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforum-communications-production-web.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fbrightspot%2F5d%2F6e%2F99f75ab4481499aab953bee3ff59%2Fcolor-edit-toon-trump-on-nato-and-russia.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's obvious you have an intense dislike for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understandable. Based on your many posts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about him, your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dislike goes back a long ways ... back when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private business and well before he ran for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and won the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Presidency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if you can put that intense dislike and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bias aside for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a moment, do you really feel the USA is in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better positions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and conditions, economically, domestically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and globally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today compared to four years ago?.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The seeds of inflation were planted on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump's watch with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Quantitative Easing program. It helped to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economy afloat during the Covid crisis but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now were paying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the price. The same can be said for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> global supply chain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crisis. Could Trump have done anything about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it if still in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office? Frankly I doubt it. He would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> done a good job of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming it on someone else however. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his special
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talent. Does it not matter to you that he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried to overthrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an election and obstruct the peaceful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer of power?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is the bedrock of our democracy, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump reminds us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of how fragile it can be. The vast majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> electorate saw through his bluff, bluster and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshit in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2020 election and rightfully voted him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For better or worse Biden was the only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. For that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can thank the feckless Republican party who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stood by their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawed candidate while the ship was burning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Obama fiscal policy rewarded his rich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankers and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wall Street but it left the middle class
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering. The more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we hear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about who actually got the money the more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pissed people are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really just scratching the surface of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> massive fraud with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small timers who got charged. The big players
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who raked in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and padded their bottom line with it, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airlines are still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a hunch that history will record the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama/Biden years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most corrupt in modern times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would put the stick in the dirt when GHWB took
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> office and we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered from bad leadership since. That is both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government side. The corporations adopted a 90
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day window for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision making, just trying to make good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarterly numbers, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really building anything and they were supported
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Washington. It was all about how Wall Street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is doing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concern with how things are going on Main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Street, what we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or how we will ever service the debt they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incurred. The Democrats
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced Rubin, Summers, Geithner and Greenspan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can complain about the American oligarchs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Jobs, Bezos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Musk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but at least they were building things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Musk and Bezos are pretty frustrated with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> government too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I think of corruption I am not thinking bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking corruption in the sense of using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the power and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence of an elected office for personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financial gains.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden is a perfect example of a smiling, career
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politician who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand out everywhere. Hunter's laptop will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually do him in.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think GWB was corrupt in this sense. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can argue his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> policies but there's no evidence anywhere of him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining by them financially, at least not by plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will irk Wayne and Harry but neither did Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not irked at all, in fact I agree with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about GWB. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the jury is still out on Biden but no one is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> corrupt than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. It's in his genes. GWBs big failing was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting too much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind faith in Cheney and Rumsfeld..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the jury may be closer to a decision on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden than you may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you followed and considered any of the Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revelations or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have you chosen to ignore them as most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberal press and media
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've mostly ignored the Hunter allegations since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leveraging his family connections like so many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others. Is Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the actions of his adult son? If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hunter has broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws he should be prosecuted like anyone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If some of the allegations are true (I am not saying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they *are*) broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws may extend beyond Hunter. In fact, it could turn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out that Hunter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically broke no laws but if his daddy shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> financially in his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business activities, especially when VP, this could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big legal issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden has enough juice at DoJ to have them slow walk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this thing until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he is out of office, then he hopes nobody will care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The media largely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignores this anyway. I suppose, if Trump is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precedent, a GOP house
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could still impeach him from his VP office, 10 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in the unlikely event that Biden the senior did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as VP, the statute of limitations will have long since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expired. Let's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to remember that this discussion is about Trump,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose misdeeds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are current and ongoing. No one else in the history of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has illegally tried to stay in power after losing a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> election. The illegality continues as he solicits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> millions in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donations under the false pretext that the election was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stolen from him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let's try to remember that this discussion is about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump, whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misdeeds are current and ongoing."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the record so far of his presidency, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *should* be about Biden. He's running out of people to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because, of course, when the Obama-Biden Admin came to an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end, Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked his supporters to come to D.C., and plan and commit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an armed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insurrection against the House of Representatives and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaders and execute them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden couldn't draw a big enough crowd to even scare the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impotent Cap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Po.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Trump organized an armed insurrection on Jan 6th as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wayne and Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim why did he authorized and offer National Guard troops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Capital Police four days prior?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no record of former President Donald Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>> officially authorizing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20,000 National Guard troops for the U.S. Capitol ahead of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Jan. 6,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2021, attack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no evidence that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denied
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> authorization, and experts said she doesn’t have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> authority to do so in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Vanity Fair report said Trump made a passing remark to his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting defense
>>>>>>>>>>>>> secretary about potentially needing 10,000 National Guard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> troops, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20,000. But there’s no evidence the comment was treated as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> formal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> authorization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The ultra-liberal fake news rag Vanity Fair is not proof.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's your go-to source?
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no wonder you are so ill-informed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof Shithead Trump formally
>>>>>>>>>>> authorized
>>>>>>>>>>> national guard intervention?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where is any indication at all that the Legislative Branch
>>>>>>>>>> asked for
>>>>>>>>>> it? The president can't unilaterally send federal troops to the
>>>>>>>>>> Capitol. They must be requested by the speaker or someone in that
>>>>>>>>>> chain of command.
>>>>>>>>> Either Trump made the formal request or he did not...he did not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where is your written, official proof?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry has made his living in DC for the last few decades but he never
>>>>>>> bothered to find out how the power structure works there and the
>>>>>>> separation of powers that prevails. I guess that doesn't trickle down
>>>>>>> to lobbyists on K street and their minions. They just need to know
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> to bribe to make their clients happy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A claim was made here that Trump made a formal request. I called b.s.
>>>>>> on that. You agree with me. Enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> So it sounds like you admit this witch hunt is all about trying to
>>>>> blame Trump, not what went wrong on Jan 6.
>>>>> Nobody seems to care that a few hundred unarmed yahoos were able to
>>>>> breach Capitol security and trash the place. It wasn't even a surprise
>>>>> attack. The congressional security people had a month to plan.
>>>>> You admit Trump talked about whether they needed 10,000 or 20,000
>>>>> national guard troops but the call never came from the only people who
>>>>> could ask.
>>>>> BTW I still see this as a security problem. The politics are just
>>>>> bullshit. Everyone wants to break another Watergate, White Water or
>>>>> whatever. They are all crooks
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let us try again, because plain language seems beyond you. My
>>>> statement was
>>>> solely over whether Trump formally requested the national guard. I
>>>> stated
>>>> he did not. You are offering me rationales and apologies for his lack of
>>>> action. I don’t give a shit about those because they are not the
>>>> issues I
>>>> raised. Play your word games twitch the Trumpsters.
>>>
>>> Maybe you don't understand the separation of powers., Trump CAN'T
>>> unilaterally send troops to the Capitol.
>>> He also doesn't "ask" the DCNG anything, They work for him. (the only
>>> national guard troops who do) If there was a request from the hill, he
>>> would "order" them to go. He didn't get that request before the riot
>>> was in full swing.
>>> Those are just the facts and you can throw bullshit around all you
>>> like about "formal requests" that do not exist in that command
>>> structure. The only one who makes requests are congress and they did
>>> not make that request. They also waived off the DC police, the Park
>>> Police and all of the other 100+ police agencies in the DC area.
>>>
>>> These are just the ones who work for the Federal government
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_law_enforcement_in_the_United_States
>>>
>>>
>
>
>>
>> You are just proving my point, that Trump DID NOT make a formal request.
>>
>
>You are playing word games. He made (via the DOD) a formal offer.