In article <7cadaf94-077f-4617-98c1-
cd5b78e6ff94n@googlegroups.com>, dsi123@hawaiiantel.net
says...
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 7:13:49 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 11:45:07 -0000, Janet <nob...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <uhk23j$3h219$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > >Br...@invalid.invalid says...
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 17:25:12 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.compost>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >There's a new one I haven't ever heard while moderating the
> > >> >largest meat-loving forum the world:
> > >> >
> > >> >"Meat eaters are sociopaths"
> > >
> > > Bruce must have borrowed Cshenk's dictionary.
> > If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
> > vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
> > can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.

Not me. I'll happily eat what I killed.
>
> My guess is that if people had to grow what they eat, 82.7% would just eat a burger instead.

I grow a lot of our fruit and vegetables too. Home
grown is always fresher and tastier.

Janet UK

On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
>> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
>> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>
> Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>enjoyed eating them.
>
> I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
>chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>meat).
>
> I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
>make the best tasting meat/eggs.
>
So you're part of the 10%. At least the meat you eat hasn't been
tortured first, like all factory meats.

On 10/28/2023 6:18 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Correction (Not Jill):
>
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 02:46:13 UTC Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> I was on the road, to and from Maryland, all day. I was gifted a
>> past-date 7/11 store turkey sandwich earlier in the day,
>
> Really? You even dive the 7-11 dumpsters for stale sandwiches?
>
> Figures.

A friend of mine who I went to visit works at 7/11, and she takes home
post-dated food that the store is going to throw out. I do not
dumpster-dive for food. The sandwiches were stored in a refrigerator,
and they were perfectly edible. Sophia was sent to school with one, and
the last one will be my lunch today. I don't like waste.

In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>
> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
> >>
> >> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
> >> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
> >> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
> >
> > Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
> >enjoyed eating them.
> >
> > I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
> >chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
> >led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
> >they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
> >meat).
> >
> > I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
> >raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
> >make the best tasting meat/eggs.
> >
> So you're part of the 10%.

I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
more than ignorant and biased invention.

Janet UK

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 4:43:38 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/28/2023 6:18 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > Correction (Not Jill):
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 02:46:13 UTC Michael Trew wrote:
> >
> >> I was on the road, to and from Maryland, all day. I was gifted a
> >> past-date 7/11 store turkey sandwich earlier in the day,
> >
> > Really? You even dive the 7-11 dumpsters for stale sandwiches?
> >
> > Figures.
> A friend of mine who I went to visit works at 7/11, and she takes home
> post-dated food that the store is going to throw out. I do not
> dumpster-dive for food. The sandwiches were stored in a refrigerator,
> and they were perfectly edible. Sophia was sent to school with one, and
> the last one will be my lunch today. I don't like waste.

Indeed the food is perfectly edible but the power of a date printed on a can is strong. I won't let my life be controlled by a date made up by somebody. That's ridiculous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAXtjH3EmLs

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
>Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>> >>
>> >> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
>> >> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
>> >> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>> >
>> > Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>> >enjoyed eating them.
>> >
>> > I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
>> >chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>> >led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>> >they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>> >meat).
>> >
>> > I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>> >raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
>> >make the best tasting meat/eggs.
>> >
>> So you're part of the 10%.
>
> I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>more than ignorant and biased invention.

Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
lambs? I bet there'd be a rush on faux meat and tofu instead :)

In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
> >> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
> >> >>
> >> >> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
> >> >> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
> >> >> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
> >> >
> >> > Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
> >> >enjoyed eating them.
> >> >
> >> > I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
> >> >chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
> >> >led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
> >> >they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
> >> >meat).
> >> >
> >> > I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
> >> >raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
> >> >make the best tasting meat/eggs.
> >> >
> >> So you're part of the 10%.
> >
> > I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
> >more than ignorant and biased invention.
>
> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
> lambs?

Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
death, pain and mess.

Janet UK

On 2023-10-30 4:57 p.m., Janet wrote:
> In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,

>>>> So you're part of the 10%.
>>>
>>> I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>>> more than ignorant and biased invention.
>>
>> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
>> lambs?
>
> Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
> distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
> happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
> death, pain and mess.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 20:57:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
>Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
>> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>> >> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
>> >> >> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
>> >> >> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>> >> >enjoyed eating them.
>> >> >
>> >> > I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
>> >> >chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>> >> >led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>> >> >they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>> >> >meat).
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>> >> >raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
>> >> >make the best tasting meat/eggs.
>> >> >
>> >> So you're part of the 10%.
>> >
>> > I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>> >more than ignorant and biased invention.
>>
>> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
>> lambs?
>
> Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
>distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
>happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
>death, pain and mess.

I wasn't talking about the past, but about the now. Now, the barbaric
practice is safely stored away in slaughterhouses.

On 10/30/2023 11:27 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>
>>>> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
>>>> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
>>>> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>>>
>>> Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>>> enjoyed eating them.
>>>
>>> I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
>>> chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>>> led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>>> they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>>> meat).
>>>
>>> I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>>> raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
>>> make the best tasting meat/eggs.
>>>
>> So you're part of the 10%.
>
> I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
> more than ignorant and biased invention.
>
> Janet UK
>
Given he is so dead set on pushing his vegetarian agenda, I have to
wonder why he is on this cooking newsgroup. Surely there's a vegetarian
newsgroup out there where they can all sing "kumbaya" and pat each other
on the back for being superior beings. He's certainly not going to
change my mind about a delicious medium-rare lamb chop even if I didn't
slaughter it myself.

Jill

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 17:57:54 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 10/30/2023 11:27 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>
>>> So you're part of the 10%.
>>
>> I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>> more than ignorant and biased invention.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>Given he is so dead set on pushing his vegetarian agenda, I have to
>wonder why he is on this cooking newsgroup. Surely there's a vegetarian
>newsgroup out there where they can all sing "kumbaya" and pat each other
>on the back for being superior beings.

No, that would be bragging.

>He's certainly not going to
>change my mind about a delicious medium-rare lamb chop even if I didn't
>slaughter it myself.

Tell him, he's here.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ5meARlA14>

In article <uhp7aj$kqpe$2@dont-email.me>,
Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 20:57:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
> >> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
> >> >> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
> >> >> >> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
> >> >> >> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
> >> >> >enjoyed eating them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
> >> >> >chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
> >> >> >led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
> >> >> >they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
> >> >> >meat).
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
> >> >> >raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
> >> >> >make the best tasting meat/eggs.
> >> >> >
> >> >> So you're part of the 10%.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
> >> >more than ignorant and biased invention.
> >>
> >> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
> >> lambs?
> >
> > Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
> >distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
> >happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
> >death, pain and mess.
>
> I wasn't talking about the past, but about the now.

Yes, I think many people who raise their own livestock
for their own consumption, would kill it.

> Now, the barbaric
> practice is safely stored away in slaughterhouses.

I've done it (and seen it) , you haven't. Done right,
humane killing is not barbaric.

Vets do it all the time, do you call that barbaric?

Janet

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 22:17:06 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

>In article <uhp7aj$kqpe$2@dont-email.me>,
>Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 20:57:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
>> >Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>> >>
>> >> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
>> >> lambs?
>> >
>> > Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
>> >distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
>> >happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
>> >death, pain and mess.
>>
>> I wasn't talking about the past, but about the now.
>
> Yes, I think many people who raise their own livestock
>for their own consumption, would kill it.

And how many people raise their own livestock? Less than 10%, which
brings us back to the aforementioned 90%.

>> Now, the barbaric
>> practice is safely stored away in slaughterhouses.
>
> I've done it (and seen it) , you haven't. Done right,
>humane killing is not barbaric.
>
>Vets do it all the time, do you call that barbaric?

Do you only eat animals that have been euthanised because they were
dying a painful death? No, you eat perfectly healthy animals that were
killed because you couldn't control your barbaric urges.

On 10/30/2023 6:17 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article <uhp7aj$kqpe$2@dont-email.me>,
> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 20:57:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
>>>>>>>> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
>>>>>>>> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>>>>>>> enjoyed eating them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
>>>>>>> chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>>>>>>> led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>>>>>>> they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>>>>>>> meat).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>>>>>>> raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
>>>>>>> make the best tasting meat/eggs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you're part of the 10%.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>>>>> more than ignorant and biased invention.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
>>>> lambs?
>>>
>>> Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
>>> distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
>>> happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
>>> death, pain and mess.
>>
>> I wasn't talking about the past, but about the now.
>
> Yes, I think many people who raise their own livestock
> for their own consumption, would kill it.
>
Not to mention people who hunt venison or elk for their own consumption.
They kill it, field dress it and may butcher it themselves or have it
butchered professionally. To eat. They aren't hunting for trophy heads
to hang on their walls.

>> Now, the barbaric
>> practice is safely stored away in slaughterhouses.
>
Sometimes they're hanging in the barn until they can be packed in
coolers on ice and taken to a professional butcher.

> I've done it (and seen it) , you haven't. Done right,
> humane killing is not barbaric.
>
> Vets do it all the time, do you call that barbaric?
>
> Janet

There's no point in arguing with him. He's hell bent on calling anyone
who isn't a vegetarian a barbarian (and a sociopath). He's obviously a
superior being.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> There's no point in arguing with him.

Why not? Your majesty does it all the time.

On 10/30/2023 4:57 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
>>>>>> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
>>>>>> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>>>>> enjoyed eating them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
>>>>> chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>>>>> led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>>>>> they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>>>>> meat).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>>>>> raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
>>>>> make the best tasting meat/eggs.
>>>>>
>>>> So you're part of the 10%.
>>>
>>> I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>>> more than ignorant and biased invention.
>>
>> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
>> lambs?
>
> Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
> distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
> happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
> death, pain and mess.
>
> Janet UK

Sure, people were brought up that way and it was a matter of survival.

Today, most people have no idea meat comes from animals. It is in the
supermarket in plastic trays and displayed to look inviting.

We've evolved to a society that prefers to pay for services rather than
do physical work

Put up a sign pointing to the market "Free Meat" and there will be a
long line.

Put up that same sign, "Free Meat" and have a cow or pig in a pen and
see how many people will jump in to get it.

On 10/30/2023 7:33 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 10/30/2023 4:57 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
>>>>>>> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
>>>>>>> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>>>>>> enjoyed eating them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I've caught and killed  fish, raised our own sheep,
>>>>>> chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>>>>>> led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>>>>>> they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>>>>>> meat).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>>>>>> raised, lived,  fed  and died; highest  welfare standards
>>>>>> make the  best tasting meat/eggs.
>>>>>>
>>>>> So you're part of the 10%.
>>>>
>>>>   I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>>>> more than ignorant and biased invention.
>>>
>>> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
>>> lambs?
>>
>>    Why  not? it's what many people did in the not very
>> distant past.  When human birth, dying and death normally
>> happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
>> death, pain and mess.
>>
>>    Janet UK
>
> Sure, people were brought up that way and it was a matter of survival.
>
> Today, most people have no idea meat comes from animals.  It is in the
> supermarket in plastic trays and displayed to look inviting.
>
> We've evolved to a society that prefers to pay for services rather than
> do physical work
>
> Put up a sign pointing to the market "Free Meat" and there will be a
> long line.
>
> Put up that same sign, "Free Meat" and have a cow or pig in a pen and
> see how many people will jump in to get it.
>
I don't have a fence nor any room in my yard. :(

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/30/2023 7:33 PM, Ed P wrote:
>> On 10/30/2023 4:57 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet
>>>>>> <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90%
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out
>>>>>>>> of sight, you
>>>>>>>> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>>>>>>> enjoyed eating them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I've caught and killed  fish, raised our own sheep,
>>>>>>> chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>>>>>>> led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>>>>>>> they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>>>>>>> meat).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>>>>>>> raised, lived,  fed  and died; highest  welfare
>>>>>>> standards
>>>>>>> make the  best tasting meat/eggs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you're part of the 10%.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>>>>> more than ignorant and biased invention.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows,
>>>> pigs and
>>>> lambs?
>>>
>>>    Why  not? it's what many people did in the not very
>>> distant past.  When human birth, dying and death normally
>>> happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
>>> death, pain and mess.
>>>
>>>    Janet UK
>>
>> Sure, people were brought up that way and it was a matter of
>> survival.
>>
>> Today, most people have no idea meat comes from animals.  It
>> is in the supermarket in plastic trays and displayed to look
>> inviting.
>>
>> We've evolved to a society that prefers to pay for services
>> rather than do physical work
>>
>> Put up a sign pointing to the market "Free Meat" and there
>> will be a long line.
>>
>> Put up that same sign, "Free Meat" and have a cow or pig in a
>> pen and see how many people will jump in to get it.
>>
> I don't have a fence nor any room in my yard. :(
>
> Jill

LOL your majesty. I think he was saying that to Janet, not your
highness.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 18:58:19 -0400, jmcquown <j_mcquown@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 10/30/2023 6:17 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article <uhp7aj$kqpe$2@dont-email.me>,
>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 20:57:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <uhorq4$in44$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:27:55 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <uhms0p$482v$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 29 Oct 2023 23:22:51 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <uhm3s6$3vuma$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> Bruce@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If people had to kill what they eat themselves, 90% would be
>>>>>>>>> vegetarians. But since they're killed for you and out of sight, you
>>>>>>>>> can pretend it doesn't happen and just chew.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not me. I've killed and seen killed countless animals and
>>>>>>>> enjoyed eating them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've caught and killed fish, raised our own sheep,
>>>>>>>> chickens and ducks; always killed the poultry myself and
>>>>>>>> led my sheep into the licensed slaughterhouse to make sure
>>>>>>>> they got slaughtered with no delay (ensures tenderest
>>>>>>>> meat).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm very particular about the way my meat is bred,
>>>>>>>> raised, lived, fed and died; highest welfare standards
>>>>>>>> make the best tasting meat/eggs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you're part of the 10%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not any part of your fake "statistic" which is no
>>>>>> more than ignorant and biased invention.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
>>>>> lambs?
>>>>
>>>> Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
>>>> distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
>>>> happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
>>>> death, pain and mess.
>>>
>>> I wasn't talking about the past, but about the now.
>>
>> Yes, I think many people who raise their own livestock
>> for their own consumption, would kill it.
>>
>Not to mention people who hunt venison or elk for their own consumption.
> They kill it, field dress it and may butcher it themselves or have it
>butchered professionally. To eat. They aren't hunting for trophy heads
>to hang on their walls.
>
>>> Now, the barbaric
>>> practice is safely stored away in slaughterhouses.
>>
>Sometimes they're hanging in the barn until they can be packed in
>coolers on ice and taken to a professional butcher.
>
>> I've done it (and seen it) , you haven't. Done right,
>> humane killing is not barbaric.
>>
>> Vets do it all the time, do you call that barbaric?
>>
>> Janet
>
>There's no point in arguing with him. He's hell bent on calling anyone
>who isn't a vegetarian a barbarian (and a sociopath). He's obviously a
>superior being.

Thank you, I'd never have said that myself. I hate bragging. Besides,
I could be even more superior, if I was a real vegetarian.

Michael Trew wrote:

> On 10/28/2023 6:18 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > Correction (Not Jill):
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Oct 2023 02:46:13 UTC Michael Trew wrote:
> >
> > > I was on the road, to and from Maryland, all day. I was gifted a
> > > past-date 7/11 store turkey sandwich earlier in the day,
> >
> > Really? You even dive the 7-11 dumpsters for stale sandwiches?
> >
> > Figures.
>
> A friend of mine who I went to visit works at 7/11, and she takes
> home post-dated food that the store is going to throw out. I do not
> dumpster-dive for food. The sandwiches were stored in a
> refrigerator, and they were perfectly edible. Sophia was sent to
> school with one, and the last one will be my lunch today. I don't
> like waste.

No issues with me. Some folks are just stupid on 'expirations'. Heck,
my SALT has an expiration date! Really? Maldon Salt. They've been
cropping this since the Romans (and likely longer).

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 01:38:19 +0000, "cshenk"
<cshenk@virginia-beach.net> wrote:

>Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 10/28/2023 6:18 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> > Correction (Not Jill):
>> >
>> > Really? You even dive the 7-11 dumpsters for stale sandwiches?
>> >
>> > Figures.
>>
>> A friend of mine who I went to visit works at 7/11, and she takes
>> home post-dated food that the store is going to throw out. I do not
>> dumpster-dive for food. The sandwiches were stored in a
>> refrigerator, and they were perfectly edible. Sophia was sent to
>> school with one, and the last one will be my lunch today. I don't
>> like waste.
>
>No issues with me. Some folks are just stupid on 'expirations'. Heck,
>my SALT has an expiration date! Really? Maldon Salt. They've been
>cropping this since the Romans (and likely longer).

Bloody Romans. And then they sided with Hitler!

On 2023-10-30, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
>
> Put up a sign pointing to the market "Free Meat" and there will be a
> long line.
>
> Put up that same sign, "Free Meat" and have a cow or pig in a pen and
> see how many people will jump in to get it.

Philosophically, you're right. As a practical matter, either a pig
or a cow has a _lot_ of cuts of meat that I don't want.

--
Cindy Hamilton

In article <X2X%M.37713$EUq9.25482@fx41.iad>, esp@snet.xxx
says...
> >> Do you really think many people would kill their own cows, pigs and
> >> lambs?
> >
> > Why not? it's what many people did in the not very
> > distant past. When human birth, dying and death normally
> > happened at home, people were far less squeamish about
> > death, pain and mess.
> >
> > Janet UK
>
> Sure, people were brought up that way and it was a matter of survival.
>
> Today, most people have no idea meat comes from animals. It is in the
> supermarket in plastic trays and displayed to look inviting.
>
> We've evolved to a society that prefers to pay for services rather than
> do physical work
>
> Put up a sign pointing to the market "Free Meat" and there will be a
> long line.
>
> Put up that same sign, "Free Meat" and have a cow or pig in a pen and
> see how many people will jump in to get it.

Rustling farm livestock is common In Australia, and I
know it's happened to my farm neighbours, so I'd be very
surprised if it's not happening in USA. Rustlers do NOT
take their free meat to a licensed slaughterhouse. Their
paying customers don't ask questions.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-
news/commentisfree/2023/may/02/from-sheep-duffing-to-
cattle-rustling-how-big-of-a-problem-is-livestock-theft-
in-australia

https://tinyurl.com/yc7ak9dt

"Otherwise known as ?rustling? or ?duffing?, stealing farm
animals is a crime with a long history.

In February this year, 700 sheep worth $140,000 were
allegedly stolen from a farm west of Bendigo in Victoria.
In March, a farmer west of Wagga Wagga in New South Wales
reported 350 sheep were missing, the majority about to
have lambs, making them even more valuable in a strong
sheep market.

NSW police data contained in a report by PwC shows that
from 2016 to 2020 an average of 1,845 cattle a year were
reported stolen in the state.

Dr Kyle Mulrooney, co-director of the Centre for Rural
Criminology, says stock theft is quite commonplace in
Australia. About 40% of farmers have been the victims of
stock theft"

For those wondering why Bruce hangs round rfc, I suggest
it's because he relies on most rfc posters knowing even
less than he does, about the Netherlands, Australia, food
production and vegetarian cooking.

Janet UK

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 5:53:46 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>
> For those wondering why Bruce hangs round rfc, I suggest
> it's because he relies on most rfc posters knowing even
> less than he does, about the Netherlands, Australia, food
> production and vegetarian cooking.
>
I post more often about vegetarian meals than does
Bruce the Worthless.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BkogNQJsfBmX2VXe8
>
Whatever reasons he's here, cooking is not among them.
>
> Janet UK

--Bryan

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 10:53:38 -0000, Janet <nobody@home.com> wrote:

> For those wondering why Bruce hangs round rfc, I suggest
>it's because he relies on most rfc posters knowing even
>less than he does, about the Netherlands, Australia, food
>production and vegetarian cooking.

Yes, I'm here to learn about the Netherlands. Very perceptive, Janet.